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International Lawyers on the importance of MAKING A WILL in Spain | Pellicer & Heredia
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Oct 29, 2024
Ignacio from Costa Blanca based International Lawyers Pellicer & Heredia was back in at BayRadio to talk to Moody about how they continue to help international clients living in Spain. We were reminded of the importance of making a will, and keeping it up to date, especially if you have assets here or abroad. We were also joined by Clara, who has joined the team on an internship while she studies (both in Spain and in France) to become a solicitor. It was an interesting insight into just how varied the job can be on a day-to-day basis. You can see more about residency options at www.visaspain.today or at www.alicantelawyers.es, where you can also watch back some of the previous webinars. Be sure to Like 👍 this and Subscribe to our channel if you found it useful. Website: http://www.bayradio.fm/ Mobile App: https://app.appinstitute.com/yddcc Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BayRadioInSpain Twitter: https://twitter.com/bayradioinspain Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bayradiospain/
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whether you've been in Spain for six
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months or six years don't miss
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payethaire and a red ear in conversation
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with Moody on Bay radio every other
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Wednesday at 10 A.M payathaire and
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eredia are your International lawyers on
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the Costa Blanca and have been looking
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after the expat Community for more than
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a decade see more at alicantylawyers.es
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and let's catch up with Ignacio from
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pathan iridius back after a few weeks
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good to see you back in welcome back
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again yeah bringing guests with you as
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well
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Clara she's a training solicitor and
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she's doing all the laws uh training in
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Spain and France so I said just coming
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in and then just join Murray today yes
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and of course the thing is if you come
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in here you don't have any choice I just
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put you on radio so we'll catch it with
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you in just a while here now nothing you
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spent some time in the UK of course
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training so you'll be used to Brits
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talking about the weather yeah yeah it's
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what we do it's always like mind you
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it's it's my judge of how hot it is when
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uh Spanish people say it's hot today
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yeah and it is this is unbearable yeah
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he's unbearable to be honest this early
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in the morning I just walk out six
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o'clock and and he was 27 in Alicante
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and I said wow nobody needs that no no
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and the thing is in your job you have to
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you have to still dress fairly formally
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yeah you know yes
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because he's unbearable suit jacket but
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uh no jacket but still it's just uh
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everything is except uh I am not allowed
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to have swim tracks and things like that
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no you know no going around in
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flip-flops not in your profession yeah
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um now what because we'll do a couple
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more of this so we'll do today and then
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in two weeks time then we kind of
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everything
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I mean how much do you sort of stay on
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duty as it were the office and the like
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there must be stuff going on still yeah
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the the office is going to stay open
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because we we never shut down you know
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there is always on duty here but
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obviously most the majority of lawyers
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uh will be on holidays in August you
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know but but there is always one or two
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you know you two or three with 10
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lawyers and we're in total 20 people so
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so it makes it easier to swap and some
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people comes in some people goes out
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um so I think always we are there for
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people you know that's that's uh in the
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old days probably when he was only Pedro
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myself and we both had to go and you
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know off you go but now when we are more
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people is I suppose the thing is even if
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you are there working you try and get a
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hold of a notary or something they're
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all on holiday yeah most of the people
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but but as you know the laws will close
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except the criminal court I mean there
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is always an issue uh they're always
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open you're right yeah
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um civil courts are close and no trees
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they probably have Tuesdays and
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Thursdays or things like that depends on
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the north tree but in every city you
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have plenty of notaries so yeah so we
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still could do it in a very different
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speed but you I think there's probably
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some court cases to be caught up with I
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do a bit of a backlog due to
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who's on strike this time well anybody
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still out there yeah there is to uh well
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now unfortunately we still have strike
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on different type of Clerks
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um and uh obviously they still didn't
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reach an agreement which is you know is
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unbelievable because they should have
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done everything as a package and we
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still trying I had a meeting I had a
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hearing preach our Hearing in move here
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and he's been canceled already three
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times oh right so we we prefer not to go
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I mean we just Lodge a letter through
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the courts saying we want to spend it
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because it's a waste of your day yeah
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sure you know you're coming on for that
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you've got other things to do yeah and
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at the end of the day nobody pays for
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that because it's a waste of day you
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know so so but hopefully we'll get over
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it that uh Moody eventually you know
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they've got to reach an agreement yeah
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well you'd think so yes yeah yeah yeah I
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hope so as well okay uh well so what's
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I'll tell you what um did you hear this
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story about Aretha Franklin this morning
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we may touch on this in a while about
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because she didn't leave a formal will
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and this is something we've talked about
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uh yeah quite a lot but you know you
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know she is obviously the greatest
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singer of all time yeah yeah yeah
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um didn't leave a will and she's got two
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sons who are now fighting it out which
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is probably that's something you all
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have seen before as well yeah family
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it's it's unfortunate you see but
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um obviously she never made it a will
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then probably is a kind of worms and
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yeah yeah well what's happened they
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found a handwritten note under the sofa
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right that's named like one of her sons
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I was named the executor but it's been
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it's in the states they've said that
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that will pass as a legal document well
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it's all about now all about
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evidence and validity of the evidence
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and is to go through the court if you
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have a will is done and tested that's it
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I mean you could contest you could but
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but I will give you five percent
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possibilities of this story or make void
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a will you know in front of a public
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notary here in Spain but over there in
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front of two witnesses you'll have to
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contestants say that these two winners
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that we're not capable to make any any
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they wouldn't make any sense after it or
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will not be able to Cape make any any
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reasonable decision on you know not not
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in well capacity right but if there is
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no will and there is just an out I know
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in the states that just pretty much
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fight for everything yeah you know it's
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not like here
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um so yes I think it will be a long big
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case I think
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uh well I think it's kind of because
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there were two notes apparently and
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they've just found this one
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um and one of the sons said it's been
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going on like five years and he says he
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can finally breathe now so that may have
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gone in whoever whichever one it is his
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favor right this is this is sort of but
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the you know finally decided it yeah
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unfortunately that is going to cost a
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fortune all the fight yeah and
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um I wish them luck because
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um you know it's not going to be an easy
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trial it's not going to be but yes if
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you have no will there is no possibility
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at all to to have anything established
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except the law now obviously if it
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benefits someone and there is a note
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in the states they well the client
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obviously well they will have no other
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option that Push It Forward you know
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because otherwise the law probably in
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the states if there is an interstate
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probably will say 1550. sure I would
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understand he's 15.50 to the children if
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there is not any other uh Falls as what
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we call it
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um so so I think uh the beneficiary that
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probably is getting more
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um obviously must Lodge the claim to to
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see whether he's going to get something
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extra sure um and just a reminder in
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Spain then if you don't have a will and
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there aren't aren't any handwritten
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notes around what's the default
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um I think it goes to the children right
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in Spain uh that's why I say always to
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clients uh especially International
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clients because if they haven't made a
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will and they are not Spanish because if
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you're a Spanish we we've got the law
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really is compulsory I mean we've got uh
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Falls heirs and even though I make a
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will I cannot dispose a hundred percent
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of my assets so I couldn't leave out
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anything to charity anything I could
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live a percentage two thirds goes to the
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children and they could improve one
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better than the other one that's allowed
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but toothless must go to the children
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that's let's say husband to wife wife
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husband is not allowed right I mean you
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could put a clause protecting live
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interest to your wife or to your husband
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but everything needs to go down the road
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you say down to the children
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um now the possibility for Ford and
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specially Americans British right that
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they've got free disposal of assets
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they've got the chance to name whoever
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they wish yes yeah they do uh the cat is
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a big opportunity for them to put on
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writing their wishes and as simple as
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that pretty much you know I mean there
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is exceptions that they could contest a
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well if there are people dependent of
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him that is being pretty much left out
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of the wheel you know but in general
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times
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um you don't see these things happening
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muddy I mean the one percent are
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probably you know is you don't have
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court cases like that
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um so if anybody I mean if we're talking
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about different nationalities the
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difference is that they have different
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law so Latin laws let's put it this way
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and the Continental law what we call it
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um we always have false heirs like
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Portugal Spain France Italy
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um we always still protect family
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um and this is something I always speak
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to the military uh it's got to be change
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because in general uh when I I've I've
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drawn up
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probably at thousands already of Wills
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you know and and
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everybody makes good sense of it you
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know husband to wife wife to husband
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then children if you're not in touch
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with children or you don't get along
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with them then you leave it to whoever
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you wish
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right in Spain Spaniards were
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complaining that even people that say
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well my children don't ring me they
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don't know me they do I still need to
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leave that to Children
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um
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and things are changing I know family
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wise and people moving away from
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Villages correct and and that's why I
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think and only because
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the International Community especially
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the Americans of the British have the
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opportunity the Commonwealth basically
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countries uh have the opportunity of
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freedom of uh free disposal of assets I
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think they should use it because it's
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great I mean we unfortunately cannot but
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they could and if they don't do it and
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they are resident in Spain the
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applicable law will be the Spanish law
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yes right which probably is not what you
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want that's what I'm saying they've got
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special
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um
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situation where they have an extra
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situation to do a will because if they
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don't enjoy it they're going to inherit
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our law in that respect if they're
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living in France it will happen exactly
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the same
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um because there was there was a um an
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act that was signed in Europe and these
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countries that did sign is 650 2012.
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um European European act that if you
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live in one of these countries and
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you're resident in one of these
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countries and you never made a will the
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applicable law will be the signing
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um the the the law of the state yes sure
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that signed the treaty which Spain did
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some clients say Ignacio but but UK
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never signed and I say I know in the UK
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this doesn't apply but you're here and
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you're resident here and if you don't I
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don't see a reason why not to make a
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whale to be honest no I mean you can do
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two and you can do a Spanish wheel under
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yeah okay well if it's worth it you
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could do one Spain one in the UK you
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could do an international wheel as well
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if to keep things simple because some
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clients saying now okay do I need to
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chew and I always say depending on what
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your assets are if we're talking about
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bank accounts uh I wouldn't do too I
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would do only an international will in
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Spain but if you have a very complex
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situation in the UK where you need
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Executives in the UK and you have uh
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asset in Spain with accepted in Spain
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probably you could just keep it separate
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to chew or just in one wheel just make
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the difference this is for a Spanish
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asset this is for the UK asset yeah yeah
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you know but but
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um in the UK you will still need to go
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to probate as your jury here
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and um
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the yes Moody going back to the first
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point is important to make a will well
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that's what I was about to say it comes
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down to it if you've gotten the assets
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got a property particularly uh make sure
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you've got a will in place yeah yeah
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that's very very important I encourage
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people actually we did last Monday in
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Casada and opening day to review Wheels
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for for clients and people from outside
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we did an open day to review their Wills
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if they have questions and even we
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brought someone from mapfre to review
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the insurance policies that have
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insurance policies Etc
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but anyway if they miss the the
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appointment is not a problem we could
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always organize an appointment but one
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piece of advice I give people is just
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make sure you have at least one will you
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could always change it that's what I
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said to one client the other day just do
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a basic one and then you could always
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change it yeah I mean it may have been a
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few years in circumstances have changed
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but you've forgotten to update you will
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correct yeah maybe have a look at it all
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right yeah yeah God significo in and
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Cloud up from pay theater Radio
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International lawyers based on the Costa
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Blanca but to travel around quite a bit
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and can deal with international law as
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well by the way this um when was this uh
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webinar you were doing the chat in
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Alicante yeah not the streaming one well
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the the one that we're going to publish
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now we had a buying a property in Spain
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uh with a mortgage and we did in
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Santander work Cafe oh that's been
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that's being done already okay I knew it
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was in July yeah that was the fifth of
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July 5 30 but they didn't allow us at
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that stage to doing streaming so what
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we've done we've recorded and uh is
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we're going to do like a fake live or
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just introduce it to whoever and then
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he'll be on the on the live webinars
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list that we have in the website well it
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doesn't matter the information's still
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the same it's still brilliant yeah yeah
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it was quite interesting it was a
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different one you know when you do these
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live things people makes a lot of
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questions I interact a lot and the
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longer ones
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um but it was very good and we are
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holding one hopefully for next Wednesday
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I'm not sure who's gonna we're gonna
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hold the last one of the of the month
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next Wednesday uh or the following one
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okay and we're going to talk about
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touristic license Apartments uh
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temporary license uh short terms rentals
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etc etc and because now we are on season
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everybody asks these questions about the
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short rentals the long-term rental new
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law
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um etc etc so I think it could be quite
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interesting but it will be published
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I'll I'll let you know yeah because it's
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becoming in some areas particularly a
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real uh issue with the neighbors because
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you get to tourists wandering into your
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block hidden you know it's not meant for
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for that yeah people ask there full time
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yeah yeah it's quite uncomfortable
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um but but you know they they the owners
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needs to apply for a license and
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um
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Einstein and and and and I'm not saying
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if everybody behaves properly I think is
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not a problem I mean it's not a problem
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but it depends on Town Halls Town Halls
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will allow you in certain areas to have
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that license some of them will not give
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your license no you know you'll be like
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uh
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um sorry you don't have you don't have a
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license you could only do long-term
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rentals or short-terms rentals but not
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as a touristic as a touristic it is when
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you publish on these type of platforms
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um yeah people come for a week at a time
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right and they do everything online but
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the short-term rental still allowed even
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though you don't have a license okay the
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short terms I could rent it out my
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property for three months in the summer
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um and then you don't need to be
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resident here so that's but that's not a
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touristic as such they're right there's
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a difference yeah it's a very very
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um thing line between long short and
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touristic touristic is more like a hotel
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or a business basically right
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um so the middle one is a short one but
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the short one will be
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um minimum 15 15 weeks as we I've always
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done inspiring 15 weeks in August 15
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weeks
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um but yes but you don't advertise that
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in the platforms that we are all used to
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it's more about word of mouth or just
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the estate agent that rent it out sure
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but yes we'll be doing and probably
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introducing a company who could do as
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well these serviceable people because a
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lot of people are abroad and they really
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need the service
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so it's good to rely on somebody that
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you could trust yep so especially
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handing over the keys of your property
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more info on that in the next webinar
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then and we'll let you know when that is
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it may be on the day that you're back in
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for the final term here now let's talk
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to uh Clara then because how's she doing
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so far we kind of use the word intern
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because she's more qualified than that
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work experience yes how does it works
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yeah
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what so far what she's found in the
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office yeah so what's your journey so
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where you are you're from Spain you're
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Spanish born yeah yeah
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from and I'm right now studying a devil
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Lee green Spanish French law and I now
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I'm working with them in this great
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opportunity to do an internship with
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them and I'm just learning how a real uh
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International lawyer here in Spain work
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and it's really amazing how like how
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much work they do how professional they
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are and it's like really great to see
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every day a different case and like all
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of them running from one place to
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another seeing one thing calling us
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other people and like just talking to
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people all of them are international so
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it's really great to see everything and
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having this opportunity yeah I mean
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having known him long enough Ignacio and
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Pedro that so they didn't tell you to
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say that it's definitely true a real
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variety of stuff and uh obviously they
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know what they're doing as well it could
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be it's a good it's good firm to be in
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with to do so is this um how works and
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when you're training for to become a
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lawyer you you spend some time with the
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company I think you do this it is in the
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same in the UK like you do your articles
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or whatever it's called so this is the
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part of part of the actual official
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thing right yes and normally here in
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Spain while you're studying you have the
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uh like you have to work with somebody
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like an international well in my case
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international lawyers because it's this
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specialty I like but like do you work
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with liar lawyers in order to when you
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finish
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um to to be able to practice the
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profession but yeah right how long to go
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for you um because it takes a long time
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isn't it I mean it's like four to six
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years sometimes yes uh from yeah like uh
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studies for years and so
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um next year at Venice and I'll see if I
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really like uh this and I really want to
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practice so what I've seen with them is
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that they're truly professionals who
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said and they're like really hard work
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so it's really interesting to be with
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them learning yeah and you're doing it
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um in France as well yes in France um
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well in France it's kind of different
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like the methodology they have so it's
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quite great to
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experience that as well to know how
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another country Works especially with
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law because they did everything
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differently well especially especially
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with the methodology but yeah this is
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great to to compare uh how Spanish law
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Works French law works and this
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introducing this to an international
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world and the globalization and all this
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stuff well you could go and do anyway
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because I guess you speak French do you
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yes then obviously Spanish and your
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English is great so you're all set but
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is there an area of you're interested in
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specializing in um like what I really
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like is international but there is a lot
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of kind of international there's private
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internet private international law
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public international law there is a lot
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of stuff in it so what I'm seeing right
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now is what what do I like the most if
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the public side or the private side we
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think nephew we work in the private side
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so I'm like seeing like all these
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different side of the international law
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private law so it's quite interesting so
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I really don't know right now oh what
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what I like the most but I truly know
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that I like the international side but
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what does that mean is that are you
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working with businesses
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um International or with private
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individuals well he's basically he's
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joining us to do with every single case
20:29
that we deal with uh and then for
20:32
example the other day she went she came
20:34
with me to to to the military to to gel
20:38
with an international will so she will
20:40
be familiar with
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um it was an American client and but it
20:45
was in that time only for Spanish asset
20:48
so she gets to learn the whole thing
20:49
then we're trying to take her as well to
20:52
court cases as well yes so she could
20:54
experience uh how it works and then she
20:57
knows when a client comes over
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um the questions they have how
21:02
everything's established as Clara said
21:05
um when you when you are at the
21:08
University City you pretty much learn
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um is is the methodology the other the
21:14
theory part yeah like and when once you
21:17
get to the to someone who works with it
21:20
you see that the practice is completely
21:23
different that's the same with just
21:24
about anything I trained as a plumber
21:26
from from school and you learn of course
21:29
you learn the basics in college but once
21:30
you get out on the building side so
21:31
nobody does all that it's just a totally
21:33
different
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um
21:35
yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah and it would
21:38
be the same with training to be a uh
21:39
some nitwit on the radio as well they
21:41
teach you how to you know do the stuff
21:43
but once you get on you find yourself do
21:46
the way you do it it's quite interesting
21:47
Murray because actually uh clary's with
21:49
Valencia University and
21:53
um they did they do these kind of
21:54
programs so we sign the agreement with
21:56
Valencia University to to to train her
22:01
um for these summer holiday well summer
22:04
July and August right so it's quite
22:06
official it's quite official and and I'm
22:09
sure in France she could do the same yes
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um and and it's quite interesting and uh
22:15
but in in the University you normally
22:17
learn the theory of things yes and
22:21
um and and he comes to the real world so
22:24
so when the problem starts when the
22:27
issues or the unfairness things happen
22:30
all the information you have to get in
22:32
order to start something that's
22:34
something they don't teach us well yes I
22:36
mean they can teach you how this process
22:38
works but there's always going to be
22:39
problems and spanner thrown in the work
22:41
somewhere all the life yeah I think I
22:44
think on training here you learn more
22:46
how to help people how to assist people
22:48
how to sort things out and yes as his
22:50
nephew said like I'm right now looking
22:53
howdy is so something how they do things
22:55
so that's like I'm really learning from
22:58
this in that's that's it I like in
23:01
University I don't really I of course we
23:04
learn the theory but in the practice
23:06
it's completely it's something
23:08
completely different so that's I think
23:11
it's good it's good I always tell Clara
23:13
and say this is a great opportunity for
23:15
you guys to learn as much as you can
23:17
because you are really the winner here
23:20
because you're a sponge you you get
23:22
everything and then you make decision in
23:23
the future for for yourself uh you know
23:26
and it's not easy to find places I mean
23:29
for me it was in the old days it was not
23:31
that easy to find places you know or for
23:34
them to go into yeah it's not that easy
23:36
you know and then they send so many CVS
23:39
as well and then yeah you need to spend
23:41
time with them you know so so it's not
23:44
something that that is very very easy or
23:48
at least you enjoy and learn a lot you
23:50
know and and I always say I say Clara
23:53
you must you must enjoy as much as you
23:55
can because it's an experience you see
23:56
yes every day every day I say nothing
23:58
I'll go with you everywhere I can
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because that's like the best opportunity
24:03
and I never know if I'm gonna have this
24:05
opportunity again yeah it is I mean as I
24:07
say when I which one is a plumber you do
24:09
you you bit it um at the college but
24:11
then it was called a block release so
24:13
then you do six months working with a
24:15
firm you know on the sides then you go
24:17
back and do some more Theory and then
24:18
you go back out again so yeah it works
24:20
it's the best it's the best way to do it
24:21
actually I think Lara at the university
24:23
is out doing these things but in the old
24:25
days we didn't have any practicum what
24:27
we call practicum oh that you know it
24:29
was always as Glarus said Theory Theory
24:31
and and the university used to say we
24:35
um
24:36
we teach what we call holistas which is
24:40
not even lawyers just a degree in law
24:43
but not lawyers you know it's just like
24:45
you because as you know when you you
24:48
have the degree you could do you could
24:50
beat on a public auction a public uh
24:54
sector you could do you could go to the
24:56
bank you could you could do a lot of
24:57
things with a degree you don't need to
24:59
be a lawyer sure but then you need to do
25:01
the practicum side which now is
25:03
compulsory but in the old days it was
25:05
not so but um because no matter how much
25:09
how interested you are in doing it and
25:10
interested in learning the law of just
25:12
doing it day after day just the theory
25:13
side it's uh yeah you're just going to
25:15
get to you you want to be out to seeing
25:18
the real thing being in court I think
25:20
yeah and the real problems you know
25:22
because the theories were only one part
25:24
of it and then interpreting in the
25:27
benefit of the client uh or helping the
25:30
client to get the most out of it or
25:33
something saving money to the client you
25:35
know it's always always going around
25:37
Moody and trying to do your best to
25:40
accomplish that that the gold you know
25:43
and you find out it's different from
25:45
what you see on telly and in the movie
25:47
do we got a favorite series do you like
25:48
legal shows yeah yeah yeah I was telling
25:52
you have yes it's uh they're like his
25:56
firm his International Version reminds
25:58
me yes
25:59
how do you work yeah how they work and
26:02
you know how that is I've not seen suits
26:04
but that was the one with Meghan Markle
26:05
no yes
26:07
yeah there's always something and some
26:10
are some are quite close to the reality
26:11
yeah they have to make it interesting
26:13
obviously
26:14
yeah
26:17
yes they're like the spiritual part like
26:21
you know like the way they really go the
26:23
way they introduce introduce themselves
26:26
to the people yes I mean I mean in
26:28
America he's it's completely different
26:31
style yeah I mean even record the
26:34
conversation with the other attorney in
26:35
front of you uh and that would never
26:38
ever happen here you know it's like
26:40
going with your client uh being
26:42
cross-examine in front of the other
26:43
lawyer being recorded and having that as
26:46
an Evidence wow no no no you do it
26:50
through the courts only you know and uh
26:54
subining uh it's the Pina somebody and
26:57
uh handing over the the claim and taking
27:00
a picture of of you serving the letter
27:02
onto him that doesn't exist here you
27:04
know right yeah he's a police the one
27:06
who subpoenaed you yeah and you know
27:08
it's it's good yeah but this period of
27:12
it there's periods of it with clients
27:15
yes
27:16
you go yeah they have to take a bit of
27:18
license because they can't show you
27:19
sitting around for two hours waiting for
27:21
the judge to turn up that's no fun
27:23
friends
27:24
but are they still having to do the um
27:27
temperature limits in in the public
27:28
buildings now now it's 27. I I haven't
27:33
seen it happening so no okay uh
27:36
avicially I think energy costs to come
27:38
down a little bit yeah yeah yeah yeah
27:40
yeah all right thank God we're out of
27:42
time we're really eating into Dougie Mac
27:44
Show already but it's great to catch up
27:45
with you lucky to have her on board
27:47
there I think uh Clarence yeah well
27:49
um just um obviously we'll keep in touch
27:52
buddy we'll see you on our next um two
27:55
weeks yes if you'll be in there yes and
27:57
uh hopefully uh Clara will be with us
27:59
and then we'll enjoy the webinar welcome
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