0:00
another surprise that we've seen in
0:03
recent days is the new tourist license
0:07
law in Valencia from the partio popular
0:10
the government which starts when now
0:14
away August that's the case it's as we
0:17
were coming commenting before of it's
0:20
kind of a clo and dager situation they
0:24
posted the law on the 2nd of August and
0:26
it came into Force just the very next
0:27
day on the 3D of August and you know is
0:30
the the start of the holidays August is
0:32
normally a court off month for everybody
0:35
there's almost no court appointments so
0:37
most of the lawyers get the month off
0:39
the ones that do real estate like me you
0:41
know I'm Pia of always we have at least
0:44
a skeleton crew and people on rotation
0:46
but you know a lot of people just close
0:47
off the office for the month well
0:48
certainly governments generally
0:50
departaments yeah of course there's no
0:52
one yeah no one on the government
0:53
meeting now but yeah yeah yeah they just
0:55
did it and it's quite quite a huge H
0:58
change from the last 20 and 21 law which
1:01
is the the last one that came into Force
1:04
which is the last information that I
1:05
have so I guess they've been working on
1:06
this for a little while then you can't
1:08
just suddenly bring something like this
1:09
in overnight and how come nobody knew
1:11
about it Aha and that's the thing I
1:13
don't know how I don't know why they do
1:16
these but it probably it's not going to
1:18
be very popular because it has quite a
1:21
few changes that apply to the day today
1:23
letting of apartments and they're going
1:26
to come into Force coming into Force
1:27
immediately also provokes people to
1:30
having to adapt to these over the summer
1:32
is going to be quite inconvenient for a
1:34
lot of people it's quite in inconvenient
1:36
for lawyers I would have thought as well
1:37
if' got to get up to speed on this quite
1:39
quickly oh yeah yeah sadly that's how
1:42
things are they some you know somea on
1:44
some occasions when the piece of news is
1:47
is a sound bite enough for reporters to
1:49
put it on the news like with the golden
1:51
Visa then we have you know some some
1:54
warning that's going to happen but in
1:56
this case being a regional law it's
1:58
probably not news worthy well at least
2:00
it was it is for me but well I can
2:02
understand that probably not for the for
2:04
the whole public and they kept it on the
2:05
rups until it was already published
2:08
standing Force but now now we have to
2:10
adapt and suffer the changes okay we we
2:13
changes can be quite a good thing in in
2:16
some areas for some people and on the
2:19
headline uh tourist license new law in
2:22
Valencia sounds to me like it might be
2:24
something that could benefit uh people
2:26
who've been struggling to perhaps uh
2:28
afford rent or find another apartment is
2:30
it going to be like that could be that's
2:33
a good point well like in every issue
2:35
there's always several parts and I'm
2:37
always in my case I'm always thinking of
2:39
clients and the clients that we normally
2:41
have are the people that are actually
2:42
renting out they're buying them and R
2:44
right so they're buying it as an
2:45
investment you know they have it a as a
2:47
second home they use it like a month or
2:49
a couple of months a year and then they
2:51
they rent it out the rest so you know
2:53
they can kind of make both of them use
2:55
it as a holiday destination but also try
2:57
to make a living or at least you know
2:59
Supply their their normal rent or the
3:01
normal salary with these okay how do we
3:04
Define tourist accommodation what would
3:06
be the way to they they've just changed
3:09
it remember that there always they've
3:11
always changed H when you go and stay at
3:14
a place there's different places inan
3:17
State when you go on holiday you can go
3:18
to a hotel which has obviously its own
3:20
system you can go to something called a
3:22
tourist apartment which also in Spain
3:26
apartes those are like a building with
3:30
24hour service but you know actually
3:32
you're renting like a separate
3:34
accommodation but those also have their
3:36
own law and their own legislation what
3:38
it was always up in the air until the
3:41
2018 legislation which is the first one
3:43
in the community valenciana on that
3:45
regard is what if you just are a private
3:47
citizen and you have a house and you
3:49
decide to rent it out during the
3:50
holidays that is called a via the Uso
3:53
touristical so a house with tourist use
3:56
that's the one that's subject to the
3:57
tourist license and that's what we're
3:59
talking about out in the past used to be
4:02
any property that's going to be rented
4:05
by people not using it as their
4:07
permanent home but you know just people
4:09
that are or for work that are just
4:11
passing through so they're on holiday
4:12
and that you advertise it as a holiday
4:15
place in some way normally through a BNB
4:18
or booking or any of these websites but
4:20
now they added an extra restriction
4:23
which is the 10day limit if you apply
4:25
for a tourist license now or you have a
4:28
tourist license now now if you rent out
4:30
these properties you can only rent them
4:32
rent them out up to 10 days to the same
4:34
person so that means that if you're
4:36
coming for holiday and you want to rent
4:38
the place the same place for two weeks
4:40
or for a month in theory according to
4:42
the new law you can't that's uh quite a
4:45
radical change it is quite a radical
4:46
change I don't know what the idea behind
4:48
this this is that is you know to
4:50
increase the rotation of our tourists to
4:53
prevent people from staying for too long
4:55
I'm really not too sure might be to
4:57
dissuade people from buying these types
4:59
of accomodation and make it a little bit
5:01
more difficult for them so that perhaps
5:02
they go for longer term rents which is
5:04
the issue that we've been seeing that is
5:06
in fact an excellent point probably the
5:09
answer to the to the question is as one
5:11
of of the sides of the conflict which is
5:13
let's say the one I represent the best
5:16
which is the the owners there another
5:18
one which is the tenants so this true
5:20
that there's a shortage of long-term
5:21
accommodation but here in Jaan almost
5:23
everywhere in in the in the commun
5:25
valenciana area as it is very touristic
5:28
so one way to try and lower rent and
5:31
provide more accommodations is you know
5:33
to make it a little bit more restrictive
5:35
the way you use a property yes to rent
5:37
it out for tourists difficulty make it
5:39
more difficult for shortterm La
5:41
short-term rental that's right and this
5:42
they make the biggest two changes about
5:45
that the first one is the one I
5:46
mentioned is a limit of 10 days of
5:48
renting the same property to the same
5:50
person or a group of people by the way
5:52
so don't try to be to cheeky about it
5:54
and rent it to you know it's a couple
5:56
coming and they rent it to the guy and
5:57
then to the to the woman after 10 days
5:59
no what's going to be my next question I
6:01
know I know but they're both register us
6:03
guests of the house so technically that
6:05
shouldn't work okay for those people who
6:08
have tourist accommodation they've
6:10
rented it out maybe they've got some
6:11
people coming next week for two weeks
6:14
they're already falling fou of this new
6:15
law if it started already what what's
6:17
going to happen there that's a very good
6:18
question as well well in fact those are
6:20
covered in technically all the bookings
6:23
that there are previously booked you
6:24
know before the second of August well
6:26
technically the third of August that
6:28
armor for more two weeks
6:30
no problem in my opinion it's more of a
6:33
professional opinion on that a legal
6:34
professional op legal professional
6:35
opinion could be that probably Authority
6:37
is not going not going to be too tough
6:39
with that you know from now until the
6:40
end of the year or so because you can
6:42
you must leave some some room for people
6:46
to adapt to a law that's you know been
6:48
suddenly immediately imposed right
6:50
definitely so yeah I guess there will be
6:52
a little bit more lenient but the second
6:54
restriction that you know that more
6:56
stands out from the law which he has a
6:58
lot of there a lot of it to unpack could
7:01
be the communi the community of owners
7:04
one of the Hot Topics from the moment
7:06
that the that the alter is law was
7:08
passed is did the community of owners
7:11
have the ability to either increase
7:14
Community fees for the owners of the
7:16
properties that were rented out as
7:17
tourist destinations or could they ban
7:20
the use of the properties of the
7:22
community all together as such the
7:24
answer is from at Le p and a radi legal
7:28
opinion I know that by because I talked
7:30
to ped na about this and we were all in
7:32
agreement is well it's a private
7:34
property that you own so technically the
7:36
community of owners should not be
7:37
allowed to dictate how you how you use
7:40
your own property however that's
7:42
probably something that should have you
7:43
know would need to be decided at a court
7:46
and no court cases have been decided up
7:48
to appeal point in which you can say
7:49
okay the case low for this is this is
7:52
the solution so you know so there's no
7:54
precedent at the moment that's that's
7:55
not yet they're still probably working
7:57
on it however now we have another nail
8:00
to the coffin which is the new LW states
8:03
that if the community of owners says
8:05
that there cannot be no properties used
8:08
for tourist purposes then that's it so
8:11
let's define if you can a community of
8:13
owners so if you're in an apartment
8:15
complex perhaps that's the that
8:17
Community there a body of the the owners
8:20
who uh can make that decision what about
8:22
say on an urbanization is that a similar
8:24
scenario exactly the same okay so we're
8:26
not talking like a community as in
8:29
we're talking about the individual
8:31
commun no but you're right for for for
8:33
the finding yes we're talking about the
8:35
community of owners when you share some
8:37
common elements with other owners on
8:40
your area for example a Shool or a lift
8:44
or staircas an underground parking place
8:47
for everybody to share Gardens as you
8:49
said all of that makes you be part of a
8:52
community you probably know because you
8:53
pay pay fees that's right you pay their
8:56
monthly or quarterly or yearly fees for
8:58
that you know and there a j meeting and
9:00
there's probably an administrator and
9:02
definitely you have a president which is
9:03
one of the other owners then you are
9:05
part of a community if you live in a
9:07
chalet or an or isolated country house
9:10
or an isolated property then no you are
9:12
not part of a community and then you can
9:13
do you know provided that you comply
9:15
with the rest of the provisions of the
9:16
law do whatever you want with your
9:17
property but at least we're getting some
9:19
sort of definition now with perhaps that
9:21
where some gray areas before just coming
9:23
out to her passport Mainland Spain and
9:26
pay there and Heria bant lawyers. s uh
9:30
propery Guru is with us today I think
9:33
that's a fair enough name for you
9:35
Antonio is here talking about the new
9:38
tourist license law in the valencian
9:41
community which uh came in on the 3rd of
9:44
August um which we really didn't know
9:46
very much about and we're just finding
9:47
out about now and looking at the
9:50
situations that have changed for those
9:53
that have these types of accommodation
9:56
and one part that's a major change is
9:58
the actual license duration that's right
10:01
used to be when you got a license you
10:03
know they are not like extremely
10:05
difficult to get but require a bit of
10:06
paperwork but you know there's always
10:08
advice and this something that I have to
10:10
be honest I we advise at Bay idea for
10:12
for clients well if you can and you can
10:14
afford it even if you're not too sure
10:16
you're going to rent it out as to is
10:18
just get the license it's forever but
10:20
that advice has just gone down the drain
10:23
with the rest of it because now they
10:24
only last for five well only they last
10:26
for five years which is plenty of time
10:28
but you know now they require renewal
10:31
all the licenses that were already
10:33
granted will expired on the 3rd of
10:36
August of the Year 20128 sorry 2029 so
10:39
that means 5 Years From You know the
10:41
third of August W law was approved so
10:43
that's good although it's going to be a
10:44
lot of licensed renewal so if you at the
10:46
same time so if you currently have one
10:48
you're okay till 2029 that's right we're
10:51
seeing this in a number of other places
10:53
around Spain Barcelona certainly done a
10:56
similar thing and said that licenses
10:58
will be will will be revoked and then
11:00
reissued at a certain point I think it
11:02
was 28 there um okay that's like you say
11:05
if they're all going to be renewed at
11:07
the same time that creates quite a bit
11:08
of paperwork also quite a bit of
11:10
business for for lawyers for
11:12
instance but not all of them will renew
11:15
at the same time and I explain you why
11:17
it's true that you know if you have our
11:18
property and you'll keep you the
11:19
property until the year 2029 you will
11:21
you know there will be a bunch of people
11:23
that Ren at the same time however
11:25
whenever a property is transferred then
11:28
when the owner own change you s you sell
11:30
it and you know you pass away and and
11:32
you bequ it in your in your provate to
11:34
to another person a new license need to
11:37
be issued used to be just like a name
11:41
change of the license which was like the
11:43
easy part but now you have to apply for
11:45
a full new license which implies that
11:46
you have to meet all the requirements
11:48
that you used they used to have to meet
11:49
when the license was issued I imagine
11:51
that's not relatively straight forward
11:53
for your average owner either it's got
11:56
to be something that needs to come
11:57
through proper legal process that's
11:59
right yes no because applying for the
12:01
license can be quite complicated it's a
12:02
several step process and requires
12:04
paperwork and again it's not too
12:06
difficult in the sense that the amount
12:08
of paperwork that is required the
12:10
process is clear and straightforward but
12:12
it is true that requires plenty of
12:14
paperwork it requires a visit from a
12:15
technician for you to adopt the property
12:17
and have the necessary utilities to put
12:20
some signs or posts in in in the
12:22
property you know and so usual health
12:25
and safety requirements habit that's
12:28
right and uh one of the other big
12:30
changes besides this uh change of of the
12:33
time and the duration is the ability to
12:37
rooms think about something very British
12:41
breakfast here if you intended to or you
12:44
have or you intended to buy a property
12:46
in order to rent part of the property to
12:48
tourist and you remain as owner in the
12:50
other part of the property you just
12:52
can't forget about it that has been
12:53
banned by law you can do it just if
12:55
you're doing longterm right you have an
12:58
apartment and then you rent one of the
13:00
rooms to a student or somebody that's
13:02
going to live there permanently or
13:04
semi-permanently but you cannot just
13:05
rent a room of property in which you
13:07
leave for tourist purposes just for a
13:09
few days see this is where it becomes it
13:12
puts affordable accommodation back onto
13:14
the market for the likes of students or
13:16
or those are on a lower wage we can see
13:19
more and more now perhaps the reasoning
13:21
behind some of these changes yes of
13:22
course that's true in fact the measure
13:24
has going to a stream that you need an
13:26
individual cadastral reference for each
13:29
property is going to be rented out and
13:30
the full property needs to be rented out
13:32
so I was thinking that yes is true it
13:34
will this this will be useful for single
13:36
people or students or workers that are
13:39
displaced from their Hometown for a few
13:40
months we do see quite often don't we
13:42
Antonio the the new stories in Spain
13:45
where the you have uh children still
13:47
living at home with their parents at
13:49
quite a late age that's true yes of
13:51
course of course that will that will
13:53
help solving that you can still join
13:54
several people on rent a property and
13:56
such that's true but I was thinking
13:58
about the people that have um country
14:01
house or a house with two stories
14:02
normally with a in a plot single family
14:05
house detached semi- detached and you
14:07
have even separate entrances or an
14:09
outside the staircas which is quite
14:10
typical and then you rent you know live
14:12
you live downstairs you rent upstairs or
14:14
the other way around that was legal up
14:15
until now but not anymore so you have to
14:18
be aware that new licenses won't allow
14:19
you to do this even though there'll be
14:20
more than one room that sort of scenario
14:22
perhaps top floor even even to kitchens
14:25
we would call it granny flat I guess in
14:26
UK that would be the idea wouldn't it so
14:28
that that's you're not going to be able
14:29
to do that on a short-term basis no you
14:31
won't be be doing that and getting a
14:33
license that has been completely and
14:35
specifically banned in the new law wow
14:38
okay what what are the other changes
14:40
that we need to uh be making people
14:42
aware of here well that is basically
14:45
like the most important bit M this up to
14:50
I have a few questions as well because
14:52
yeah we don't still have all the answers
14:54
and if the law does not allow you to
14:57
rent a tourist place for more than
14:59
straight days my question would be if
15:01
you rent a property for 15 days it still
15:04
requires a tourist license or is that
15:05
outside of the law even if it's for
15:07
touristic purposes or are really all
15:09
touristic rentals limited to 10 days the
15:11
law is not too clear about it and there
15:14
there's have been some question
15:15
submitted to the to the issuers of the
15:18
law let's say right to the government to
15:20
say some word to see if they can clarify
15:22
that because the law is not clear enough
15:24
in my opinion for that okay so there are
15:27
still some questions um what would you
15:29
say to somebody who's been listening
15:30
this afternoon and thought that they
15:32
were free and clear with uh renting
15:35
short-term uh rooms uh for the
15:38
foreseeable future and are now concerned
15:40
that perhaps what might have been
15:42
actually a business for them uh may not
15:44
be what they were thinking it was going
15:45
to be what what's what's your advice my
15:47
advice could be if you have a property
15:49
and you're renting just the rooms
15:50
because that has been completely banned
15:52
you should look forward either renting
15:54
the full property shortterm with a
15:56
license or long-term you know as normal
15:58
rental or you can rent the rooms you
16:00
know single rooms but it has to be
16:02
longterm you know at least you know a
16:04
few months or a few weeks in order to be
16:06
on the safe side and not for tourist
16:08
purposes but for few weeks more than
16:10
more than 10 days yeah for sure and for
16:12
somebody that needs it not because
16:13
they're coming and doing tourism but
16:15
because they are either studying working
16:16
or leing here and that would that be a
16:18
different license again or a different
16:20
process no nothing at all if you're
16:22
going to rent out a room in a purpose
16:23
That's Not Tourist it does not require a
16:25
license at all and yes it is allowed in
16:28
general terms to rent out a room what
16:29
I've saying before about the license
16:31
Banning you know rental room for
16:32
touristic purposes it doesn't mean that
16:34
there you cannot rent a room at all it
16:37
it means that you cannot rent it for
16:38
people that come to do tourism but you
16:40
know if you have a student coming here
16:42
exchange a student for a few weeks
16:44
that's that's perfectly fine even if
16:46
it's less than than 11 days should be
16:48
fine provided they're not coming here to
16:50
do tourism you know they're coming here
16:52
for example for a for a project or for
16:56
work or for you know just living here
16:59
okay we've seen some other developments
17:01
in recent days as well the Ministry of
17:03
Social Services quality and housing
17:05
approving plans rental subsidies up to
17:07
50% it was quite a successful scheme in
17:10
2023 over 4,000 Grants awarded for more
17:13
than 18 million euros it's something
17:15
that's definitely uh needed but we are
17:17
seeing uh that we're going to see
17:20
average rents uh in districts continue
17:23
to rise they've gone up by 20% in just
17:25
the last couple of years but uh this
17:27
will be a real help for people who uh
17:29
need it won't if they can get rental
17:31
subsidies for up to 50% my question is
17:34
who are the types of people that would
17:35
qualify for that you know that's an
17:37
excellent question normally the people
17:38
that rent are for subsidies for rental
17:40
they have to provide that they don't
17:42
have the means to actually normally pay
17:44
the rent in a normal way because in
17:46
theory in the Spanish understanding of
17:49
rent payments should be that all your
17:51
expenses towards your housing should be
17:53
just the 30% of your of your H income
17:57
that means that if you are expending
17:59
more than that then you are already
18:01
meeting some of the of those
18:02
requirements particularly also they
18:04
normally benefit people that are on a
18:06
vulnerable position they are victims or
18:09
of um discrimin yeah domestic violence
18:12
or perhaps single mothers perhaps
18:13
something that's right single parents I
18:15
should say these yeah but yeah but of
18:16
course yeah single parents of course if
18:18
victims of of yes of violence and you
18:21
know in this case and also if you are
18:24
victim of terrorism although there's
18:26
likely not that relatively rare in
18:28
Valencia these days thank goodness yes
18:30
thank goodness there was there was a
18:31
time there was a time and it was
18:32
included in the law at at the time also
18:35
some as Asylum Seekers can can get those
18:37
those benefits as well so the list will
18:39
be probably around that a lot of things
18:41
closed down in Spain in August and uh
18:44
Moody who's on filming duties this
18:46
afternoon was very keen to know uh if
18:48
the courts are working or not I'm not
18:49
quite sure if he's done anything wrong
18:51
recently but um but do the courts uh
18:53
take a holiday throughout August because
18:55
we know already they have a backlog they
18:57
had backlog even before
18:59
since the financial crisis and then so
19:01
there is quite a backlogging courts in
19:03
Spain so do they stop yes but it is true
19:06
that there's quite a backlog in hisain I
19:07
think we're getting to become quite
19:09
famous about it sadly and more and more
19:12
lawyers are doing our very best to try
19:15
and reach any kind of agreement that's
19:16
good for the clients to try and avoid
19:18
court and also using Court like oh I'll
19:20
take you to court and it will take ages
19:22
as a threat but yes I hope Moody is
19:25
taking a card of mine whenever he goes
19:27
around yes in case you get stopped by
19:29
the police so you have quick access to
19:31
my number but in case yes it's true it's
19:33
customer in Spain for August not to be
19:36
any hearings that does not exactly mean
19:38
that there's no court activity Court are
19:40
is still open let's say although
19:41
obviously with less stuff because most
19:42
of it is going on holiday on rotation
19:45
and they're working on the files you
19:46
know behind closed doors but there is no
19:48
hearings that being said no hearings is
19:51
not exactly true because Criminal Court
19:54
is still open to some degree if there's
19:56
an ongoing investigation that's not
19:57
urgent and just waiting for hearings you
19:59
going to get a hearing in August but you
20:01
know if you are drun and disorderly or
20:03
you have a DUI or any other kind of
20:05
criminal emergency and get sto by the
20:07
police this is still judges on duty now
20:10
in which you can be put up in front of
20:12
so you can be judged okay so yeah we do
20:14
hear about this though particularly in
20:16
the holiday hot spots um where where
20:19
people are up in front of the beak as we
20:21
used to call them um in in the days
20:23
comeone by um because of some
20:26
misdemeanor the night before so that of
20:28
course is still going on uh in Spain but
20:31
you know it's good to see we we've had
20:33
quite a busy busy July and August as far
20:36
as the tourist front is concerned which
20:38
is good for most people we have to say
20:41
in the areas that bay radio broadcast to
20:43
uh particularly and I think it's going
20:46
to be another bumper year the both the
20:48
the airports recording record numbers
20:51
again for sure yes it's going up and up
20:53
in fact one of the things that we do in
20:55
in P is we take rotation on holidays in
20:57
the summer but one of the things I
20:59
normally used to do is I take only a few
21:01
days because some is not you know for me
21:03
it's quite busy on real estate a lot of
21:04
clients a lot of people are coming
21:06
seeing homes they need last minute
21:07
appointments that has to be somebody
21:09
readily available and we used to have
21:11
just the one guy but not enough anymore
21:13
so at least we have to have two or three
21:15
readily available because there's plenty
21:17
of appointments and that's kind of a new
21:19
post pandemic kind of thing yeah we've
21:20
seen certainly haven't we in the last
21:22
few years since the pandemic sales pick
21:24
up and that's continuing right the way
21:26
through the holiday period definitely
21:29
they are not what they used to be I was
21:30
in fact yes because estate agents used
21:32
to close back in the day didn't they
21:34
that's right and notaries as well in
21:36
fact I was going to talk about that so
21:37
this week I had a quite a busy week of
21:39
completions because I was in fact off
21:41
last week so you know I did get some
21:43
holidays as well but this week I started
21:46
strong you know going to alant to
21:48
notaries and I went to three different
21:50
notaries in three different days which
21:51
you know is plenty and all of them say
21:53
the same thing August is not what it
21:55
used to be they were all the notaries
21:57
were quite bus see with plenty of people
21:59
coming and going so that means that's
22:01
just a lot of business which is unusual
22:03
for August but it's less and less rare
22:05
now and it's become is becoming quite
22:07
the norm so yeah for us definitely this
22:09
is going to be as you said a bump a year
22:11
and sales are going to increase for sure
22:13
at least the activity seems to look like
22:15
it yeah certainly does and that's
22:18
keeping you busy anyway isn't it Antonio
22:20
so you know that's a good thing whilst
22:21
the other guys are on holiday you know
22:23
we did give them a bit of a hard time
22:25
about that recently when when when they
22:26
were in a couple of weeks back yeah I
22:28
noticed because when they came and
22:30
whipped me they did it stck strong so
22:32
yeah probably about that now I'm joking
22:33
as I but yeah of course they they you
22:35
know I I normally come when they are
22:36
engaged otherwise because they they
22:38
really like to do this themselves I'm
22:40
quite happy to do it so yeah in this
22:42
case they are they are ho both of them
22:43
for this week so yeah I come and
22:45
substitute them but yeah I hope they
22:46
enjoy we love to see you and they come
22:48
refreshed yeah and you are the Property
22:50
Guru uh just uh just got a message
22:52
through here which I'll read to you uh K
22:56
Cal please ask about properties without
22:58
a license we've asked alcalali Council
23:01
about an attached property and they
23:03
inform us that there is no license
23:05
applied for the property is still being
23:07
L For Tourists but the council say it's
23:09
a Valencia government problem uh can uh
23:13
your guest lawyer contact me direct uh
23:15
to advise me off air so I'm sure you can
23:17
do that Antonio yeah I'll give you the
23:18
details of course yes okay and thanks to
23:21
Gary for getting in touch with that yeah
23:22
of course that's quite an interesting
23:24
point yeah I you relish these sorts of
23:26
things yeah I I I love a challenge
23:30
certainly Gary we'll make sure that
23:31
Antonio gets in touch to get you some
23:33
details uh to him shortly and thanks
23:35
very much for your question anytime that
23:37
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23:38
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23:59
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24:02
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24:05
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24:07
so great to see you Antonio enjoy the
24:09
rest of the summer you know even though
24:11
the guys are working you quite hard uh
24:14
take care and we'll catch up again soon