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00:00 | Nick reads out excerpts from the booklet, and brands this 'admission of danger' from the government
02:41 | Education Secretary Lucy Powell defends the asylum guidance
04:04 | Dr Rakib Ehsan warns of the 'fundamental threat to women' from 'lax border security'
08:01 | Political commentator Emma Woolf asks if the migrants even have the knowledge of English to read the booklet
10:54 | Caller Rosie accuses Nick of 'setting the tone for people to ring in with negatives'
14:31 | Caller Ryan thinks this is 'another sad day for British history...with weak and exploited borders'
16:41 | Caller Steve says the booklet 'is a waste of time, because [migrants] know they're not supposed to do it'
18:56 | Listener Derek texts: 'God help us all'.
19:04 | Listener Georgina: 'These leaflets should have been handed out from the start'
19:10 | Listener Andrew points out the leaflet says migrants 'could be arrested if they offend - not will be arrested'.
19:21 | Nick asks why caller Ahmed is 'seeking to defend the offenders'
21:33 | Caller Hayley thinks the migrants 'wouldn't be bothered to read' the booklet
23:21 | Listener Mike is 'terrified' about the safety of his two young daughters
23:37 | Listener Michael 'feels like moving to North Korea'
23:46 | Listener Sue: 'These people have to be detained'
24:00 | Caller Ricardo: 'We should not open the door' to more offenders from other countries when we have them here
26:15 | Caller Abigail wants the booklet 'given to all men'
28:26 | Caller Sarah agrees that this is 'not a black or brown problem, but a male problem'
30:52 | Listener Marie reiterates that we shouldn't 'deal with extra domestic violence from immigrants'
30:59 | Listener Fiona is 'ashamed of the dog-whistling'
31:14 | Caller Carol discusses the history of violence against women in Ireland
33:47 | Caller Kim thinks the government 'is finally acknowledging the massive problem going on here'
39:06 | Listener Natasha says some migrants see 'no problem' with the way they treat women
39:19 | Listener Carrie disagrees with the idea that this is 'dog whistle' discussion
39:36 | Caller Suzanne is concerned about 'cultures where it's okay to hit women'
41:55 | Caller Daniel worried about the safety of his wife and his daughter
44:40 | Caller Jess, who 'wants to burst into tears', says 'religion and culture are not the same
46:15 | Nick Ferrari says a difference of opinions has to be acknowledged in conversations like this
46:59 | Caller Munira says 'British men need this booklet'
50:41 | Caller Mark wouldn't go to Saudi Arabia because of safety and human rights concerns
53:31 | Caller Tony wants an offshore detention centre built
55:51 | Caller David agrees with Nick that this is an admission from the government
56:34 | Caller Robert, who is half black, can't stand the 'woke mind virus' leading people to 'defend the indefensible'
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0:00
It's fairly shocking, isn't it? But is it an admission of danger
0:03
The ministers who agreed now to the booklet being put out that will tell asylum seekers
0:07
don't rape women. I've got a copy of it here now. Events such as child abuse is a serious crime in the UK
0:14
You can see that I've highlighted certain aspects of it. Having sex or sexual contact with a child under 16
0:21
We need to tell the arrivals that this is wrong. This is an admission of danger, isn't it
0:27
Cut or harm a girl's genitals. Again, this is an admission of failure, isn't it
0:33
Talking about what you can and cannot do sexually and with children. And it goes on
0:38
That's a child abuse section. I've got one here. Understanding behaviours and expectations in the UK
0:43
It goes on and on and on and on. And it talks about how we understand it's going to be difficult coming from your home country
0:53
Then it says, what is expected of you? You cannot stop a woman from working or studying
0:58
Control what a woman wears or where she goes. Stop a woman from seeing friends or family
1:04
Make decisions for a woman without her agreement. This is extraordinary. And now all the people
1:12
some of you who phoned me and have phoned this radio station and expressed valid concerns
1:16
because of the arrival of mostly undocumented young males, and at the very least you've been called little Englanders
1:23
at the worst you've been called racists. How does the government respond to that now
1:28
Because now we can see your concerns are absolutely right. And you can look at a string of cases
1:33
Just recently, an Eritrean man who raped a pensioner outside church in a 20-minute attack
1:41
The pensioner was male and in his 60s. That man from Eritrea
1:45
There are plenty of others that I can document. The Pakistani man
1:50
who raped a 16-year-old girl in Nottingham. The pair, one Iranian, one Egyptian
1:57
who raped a 21-year-old girl. The Afghani who was jailed for 15 years for raping a 12-year-old girl
2:02
On and on and on it goes as this admission of danger is utterly now implicit
2:10
in putting this out. Why else would they need to do that? What does it tell you about the controls
2:16
What does it tell you about the supposed border force checking of these people that they get in
2:20
This is an abject admission of failure and an admission of danger
2:26
Make no bones about it. And if you were one of those protesters, and you're at Epping, or you're in London
2:33
or you're anywhere else in the country that there were, how do you feel now that you've been called racist? Isn't that the reality
2:41
More broadly on the subject of education, I'm sure you've also seen a couple of front pages
2:45
It has this story of the Home Office leaflet or booklet telling asylum seekers
2:48
is they can't rape or beat up women when in Britain. I appreciate that guidance needs to put out
2:53
but what does it say about some people who are attempting to gain entry to our country, Secretary of State
2:58
Well, look, I think it's pretty straightforward that we should be explaining to people
3:04
and being clear about people the expectations, the rule of law in this country
3:09
Why is it necessary? What is the difference in cultures that we're experiencing, do you imagine
3:13
Well, you know, people coming from other countries do have different cultures
3:18
and we have to be absolutely clear with people of how much we abide by the rule of law in this country
3:27
what the rule of law is about, what some of those laws are
3:32
and that if people break those laws, they will be treated very harshly
3:38
They will be deported. They would have any claim to asylum completely squashed at that point
3:45
as well. So it's I think it's right that people understand the expectations and the
3:52
consequences if they break the law in this country and that's something that we have to constantly
3:57
educate lots of people about and that's important that we do so
4:04
Dr Rakeb Ayssan is a social policy yst and independent expert in social integration
4:10
This leaflet, these brochures or booklets good thing or bad thing? Good morning
4:14
Well I think that morning Nick I think that what it really shows is that we have a truly dysfunctional asylum system
4:20
and our lax border security poses a fundamental threat, especially to the public safety of female citizens in this country
4:30
If you have an asylum system where the Home Office has to issue guidance
4:35
to asylum applicants on matters of domestic violence, child sexual abuse, the basic rules of sexual consent in this country
4:48
In the UK, both people must say yes to sex. This is called consent. Doctor
4:56
It is absolutely remarkable. I think, firstly, if you had an asylum system, for example
5:01
which ultimately prioritised women and girls at risk of sexual violence in their homelands
5:06
in their countries of origin, in conflict zones, in insecure displacement camps
5:11
then you have to ask, would you have to issue that guidance to begin with? So I think this is also an admission that our asylum system is ultimately being oversaturated by illegal migrants
5:21
disproportionately young male, unattached, and originating from countries where, when it comes to the rights and treatment of women and girls
5:30
it's so culturally distant from mainstream British life. What does the government need to do now, Doctor
5:38
Well, I think the government has to do a number of things. I think it has to re-evaluate its relationships with international conventions and treaties
5:45
especially the European Convention on Human Rights. I think that what it needs to do is need to introduce an asylum system
5:51
and that would also include reforming existing legislation such as the Human Rights Act
5:56
So collective national security, public safety is at the heart of our asylum system
6:02
and how we go about immigration and asylum policy, because we've seen so many instances
6:07
Nick, the reality is, and I don't say this lightly, The country of the Somalia is experiencing an Afghan sex crime wave
6:14
There's numerous cases now, but that shouldn't be a surprise because Afghanistan is ranked 181st out of 181 countries on the Georgetown Institute's Women, Peace and Security Index
6:24
So you're imparting a large number of males from that country. Then naturally, that's going to undermine public safety, especially women and girls
6:32
But I have to say, you mentioned that case. It doesn't even seem it doesn't seem that even male pensioners are safe from this problem
6:39
You're right. That offender was actually a train, but I did mention others who were Afghan
6:43
You're right. Dr. Rakim Yassin, thank you, social policy yst, independent expert in social integration
6:48
So here's the reality. The safety of girls as young as 12 and male pensions in their 60s
6:55
the safety for the government is with a series of leaflets. That's how seriously they treat the safety of the whole age range across there
7:04
They're going to give people a leaflet. Where did you learn that you're not allowed to beat your wife
7:09
Where did you learn that you can't have sex with children under the age of 16
7:13
Where did you learn that to have sexual relations you need consent from both parts
7:17
I doubt you learnt it from a government booklet, did you? No and that the reality the consequences of importing people from cultures where to use the doctor point they stand 181 out of 181 countries for areas such as this Don for a second pretend that in the countries where these people are coming from there is the same level of concern
7:37
There is the same level of protection for women. I think the Taliban have just celebrated five years in power in Afghanistan
7:44
and the plight of women, I wouldn't say the position, the plight of women has gone backwards
7:48
They're not educated, I don't think they can go out in certain clothing. That is the reality of people arriving here
7:54
And they suddenly see the liberated way the West runs. And then some of them, not all, some of them end up in court
8:01
Emma Wolfe is author and political commentator. Your take on this leaflet or booklet
8:05
Good morning. Good morning, Nick. Well, it's a leaflet. It's a booklet
8:11
It's the kind of seven-page pamphlet that you find in every NHS waiting room
8:15
do you have any confidence that a single one of these mostly young men are going to sit down
8:24
if they have the english to read this if they have you know the language skills to read it are
8:27
going to sit down and read this information read this advice from the government on entry to this
8:34
country and take it on board and change their ideology to say you've listed brilliant and asking
8:41
your viewers there where did you learn that it's not okay to beat your wife your mother your sister
8:46
where did you learn that women are equal that women can go out and see friends and family that
8:50
you do not have sex without consent that you do not have any kind of physical contact with children
8:56
with young girls to say nick that this doesn't fill women like me or what girls and women with
9:03
confidence and men too because we see that and we know about cases of children as well
9:07
to say it doesn't fill us with confidence it fills one with terror to be honest
9:11
fills one with terror to just to have this so starkly laid out about the potential danger the
9:18
potentially well the wildly different ideology that these many many undocumented migrants will
9:26
be bringing with them to this country into this country it's terrifying to the protesters so many
9:34
of us so many of us have been saying this as you say for months and months and months a few months
9:39
ago at the beginning of the summer i was at a splash pad with my five-year-old boy who was
9:44
running around in his swimming shorts there were little girls there running around a splash pad
9:48
next to the paddling pool in central london like uh little knickers little swimsuits yeah and there
9:55
were men there filming and i did not feel foreign men and i did not feel able to say why are you
10:01
standing here filming i don't know are you the father of somebody here you should not it's
10:06
It's terrifying. And we see this and we talk to women. And I've talked to women, grandmothers and mothers, who say
10:11
well, I can't let the little girls play out now. I can't. These are on council estates
10:16
These are paddling pools. These are splash pads. These are playgrounds where little girls are not safe to play out
10:21
And that's our country. Emma Wolfe is author and political commentator. Thanks for your input on that
10:27
Call's coming in. This is nothing but an admission of danger. There will be many of you saying, well, we have white people, British people
10:34
well, people born in this country are committing all these sort of crimes. Yes, we do. We do. But we don't need to add to them
10:40
And certainly, as I made the point earlier, we don't need to hopefully educate people
10:44
that you can't have sex with someone who's under the age of 16 and you can't beat your wife
10:49
But now we have to put that leaflet out. We'll be taking your views on that
10:54
I was just going to say you're an incredible journalist. I've been listening to you for years. It's an incredible show
10:58
But I am a little bit disappointed today, Nick, with you. Go ahead. Tell me why
11:02
I just, because I think you're setting the tone for people to ring in with negatives
11:09
You know, I don't understand why a leaflet explains how people behave in this country
11:14
so people can't put on that. What, you don't, well, we'd better do a leaflet suggesting it's not a good idea to go into schools and shoot students as well
11:23
What about one, it's best not to have sex with your mother? What about one best not to kill the reigning monarch
11:30
Where does it end? but i don't understand why you think it's something there's something wrong with it
11:35
where did you or your brother or your father or your sons where did they learn it's not appropriate
11:40
to beat their lives i was born and bred in this country and i went to a british school and i have
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the british values the problem we have is that we have people coming from all over the world who don't understand our values and i think we have we need to do something and i think so this
11:54
is i don't think this is negative so this is a tone for it to be negative and it's not this is an
11:59
admission of danger. The only thing we've got... Why? Because in recent weeks, cases involving
12:05
the rape of a 12-year-old girl and the rape of a 60-year-old man
12:09
by people arriving in this country have one common denominator. The rapists were born outside of this country
12:15
and came here as asylum seekers. And the only protection we're offering to 12-year-old girls
12:21
all the way up to 65-year-old men, the only protection we're offering
12:24
is a fairly, well, fairly weighty home office document. Telling you not to rape and not to beat up women
12:31
And you don't think that's an admission of danger, Rosie? I don't think it's an admission of danger
12:35
You've named two cases. How many hundreds of thousands of migrants have come into this country, Nick
12:41
Do you want me to go on? Do you want me to tell you about Mehmet Ogur, who's a 27-year-old Turk
12:46
Sheraz Malik, who's a 28-year-old Pakistani? Ahmed Mullahil, who's a 23-year-old Afghan
12:53
I can go on. I've got Iranians. I've got Egyptians. I've got Eritreans. How many do you want
12:57
but Nick you have to be aware that there are there are other people from the far
13:02
why are you making excuses for these people Rosie why you won't let me finish
13:08
all I'm saying is I understand the concern in your voice but when you set the tone
13:13
you have to appreciate the kind of people that may be listening to you all they're going to hear is
13:18
Asian, Asian, Asian, Asian Asian, Asian no because I have talked about Eritrea
13:23
that's what I heard that's why I'm calling you Well, no, I have mentioned other countries
13:28
I've taken you to Eritrea and elsewhere, so I don't know that that's necessary. But how fair is it, lastly
13:33
for the demonstrators who've had concerns and they've said that they're worried
13:37
and they've all been dismissed as racists. They've said they've had concerns for their daughters
13:41
their wives or whatever. They're right. The government now accepts it. It puts out a leaflet
13:47
But we have people who live in amongst us in our neighbourhoods that we don't know about
13:52
So that means... It's not OK. That's just what about the others, isn't it
13:56
No, no, you're giving credence to a certain and highlighting, and it's in your tone today
14:02
All right. And I only called you because all I could hear, I'm Asian, and all I heard was Asian, Asian, Asian
14:06
And you have to appreciate there are people who will be listening to you, and you'll be validating their argument for going back out and, you know
14:12
No, I'm not supporting that for a moment. I mean, with respect, I have mentioned Eritrea
14:17
I think I've mentioned Somalia. I've mentioned Egypt. So it is not Asian by any sense, although, sadly, there are Pakistanis involved as well
14:24
Rosie, thank you for your kind words about the show Let's agree to disagree, but disagree to part
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and we'll talk again soon Let's take one more call on this, Ryan is in Brighton
14:32
Ryan, you're on the radio, what do you want to tell me? Good morning Good morning Nick, thanks for having me on
14:37
It's another sad state of affairs, another sad day in British history of
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our great British traditions are seen to have done again, because if our
14:46
Home Office and Shabana Mahmood can produce such a document like this and spend all their
14:50
time collating such a sad document to give out to the British public which is readily available And we know it aimed at people coming over and this isn about migration Sorry Rosie on the previous caller
15:05
This isn't about pigmented skin. This isn't about race and religion. This is about the safety of the British people
15:11
and citizens of our country. But if Rose's point is true, sadly, if you've grown up in Afghanistan
15:17
if you've grown up in Eritrea, you don't have the same respect for women. You don't have our culture
15:21
Rose is making the point it is a good thing to tell these people and remind them of it
15:25
How would you respond to a point such as Rose's? Well, I've actually been to Afghanistan
15:30
and I've seen their culture and I think that our media portrays it in a very different light
15:36
But that's another story, Nick. For this circumstance now, we've disleased it
15:40
I can see what Rose is saying, but the issue is these economic migrants
15:45
that are coming from third world countries and bringing their third world actions into our culture
15:51
And yes, there is white pedophiles from, I don't know, Reading or wherever
15:56
And you haven't mentioned Asian this morning. She's mentioned that. And then we all get branded with this far right
16:03
It's nothing to do with whether you're right, left or central. This is about the safety of winning children and now elderly pensioners
16:10
And we've got enough problems of our own. Our NHS is stretched enough. Police, fire, everything's stretched enough
16:17
yet we are circumnavigating these people through NGOs and left-wing NGOs, through Europe, and the bottom line is that the cherry on the cape is
16:30
we have got a weak government, we have got weak borders, and it's been exploited every single day
16:35
And I would say this booklet, leaflet, whatever you want to call it, Official Guidance is an Admission of Danger
16:40
Ryan, thank you. Steve's in Dagenham. Steve, should the government have put this out? Morning
16:43
Well, it's a waste of time, Nick, because the simple reason is they know they ain't supposed to do it
16:50
And they know where the law is on their side because look what happens
16:54
There was a judge up north where a young woman got raped or sexually assaulted by this migrant
17:01
And she was more concerned about the migrant's welfare than what she was of the person who got raped
17:07
And she let him walk out that court. To me, that is wrong
17:11
you know it's so wrong what is happening here is they're not refugees
17:17
a refugee has nothing they have money they get here how much is it across the channel
17:22
five, ten grand I don't know but what I'm certain is they're not they've entered this country legally yeah
17:27
why use that word illegally if they're not going to they should deport them they're not supposed to be here
17:32
Steve respond to this story as you're talking I'm reading this from the papers today a foreign rapist
17:36
who attacked a sleeping woman has won a human rights case to stay in the UK
17:40
Hendrik Eichmann, who's 34, attacked the woman while she was drunk, but after the Italian finally accepted he's guilty of rape nine years on
17:48
the immigration judges have ruled he can remain because he said, quote, he'd learned his lesson
17:53
No, I'm telling you, they don't, because it's in them. I mean, you know, people might think, oh, listening to me, oh, he's a far right
18:02
I'll explain something to you, right? I'm one of a big family out of the East and the 10 kids. I've worked with them, you know, I'm 67, I still do a bit of work, right
18:08
Now, next door to me, I've got a Muslim woman with two kids on her own. I won't say the reason why she's there, but I help her, and I help with her garden
18:18
I do things. I've got another Muslim lady up the road who she brings us in food
18:24
That's how we get on and we help one another. I've had a property in a Muslim country for 20 years
18:29
I've got family living there as well. It's a lot of people. Probably people listening to me talk, no, we're far right
18:34
It's nothing to do with it. Our children and our grandchildren, I fear for them because of what's going on
18:41
Steve, I hear what you say, and you are not going to be, in my eyes
18:45
be tarred as being a racist or a little English in any way, shape or form
18:49
These are legitimate expressions of concern when the government, I say, says this is an admission of danger
18:56
Derek and Raynham, isn't this a government's admission of their failings? If they're having to give leaflets such as these who rock up on our beaches
19:01
God help us all. Georgina, these leaflets should have been handed out from the start
19:06
Why, after so many attacks, do they finally think it's time to change? Andrew in Cambridge has picked up on the language
19:11
Notice the wording on these immigration leaflets. They tell the immigrants they could be arrested if they offend, not will be
19:18
Interesting point. Ahmed's in Aberdeen. Ahmed, you're on the radio. Hi there, Nick
19:24
Thanks for taking my call. Not at all. Yeah, I'm just trying to understand why it's getting narrowed down so much
19:31
into a migrant or a foreigner, when the problem is just men, you know
19:36
It's not a general thing of someone from a particular country, that's their preference
19:43
Well, don't you accept that there are different cultures? Of course, I'm from a different culture myself
19:49
So would you say, I don't know if you have familiarity with Afghanistan, but would you say that they are as liberated in their views
19:55
towards women in Afghanistan as they are in the United Kingdom? Well, I would, of course not
20:01
but I would say that when it comes to sexual preference, which is what we're talking about
20:06
is that the men would generally go for someone the same age
20:10
and anyone who does differently would be seen... Why would they need to publish this leaflet, then
20:15
Well, because there's a problem with rape in general, with men, pedophile rapes, that's just men
20:21
Why are you seeking to defend the list of rapists and sexual offenders I've just been through
20:27
Why can you not say, clearly, just as there is a problem, of course there is a problem with people who are born in this country
20:34
there's clearly a problem with the importation of some people from other cultures. Why will you not accept that
20:39
No, I do accept that. So why are you arguing against it? I'm not arguing against it
20:44
I'm saying that the problem isn't that they're from another country. The problem is that they're pedophile men, and it's a crime
20:52
And that's the end of it. I don't see why there's a big deal. Well, explain to me why the Home Office needs to put the leaflet out, then
20:59
I suggest they're closer to it than you or I. Is it specifically towards migrants with leaflet
21:05
Yes. Why is it specifically towards migrants? I didn't put it out
21:09
It's because they pose a threat. And not all, but some, are involved, I'll try again
21:15
in rapes of girls of the age of 12 and men of the age of 65. Not all, but some, are rivals in this country
21:21
And that's why the Home Office has put the leaflet out. are the locks joined up
21:25
are they only for the migrants or are there at least we're going around in circles yes I've told you again
21:29
it's only for the migrants that's twice Ahmed we'll talk again let's get another call
21:33
in Hayley's in Dartford Hayley you're on the radio good morning good morning if I was to go to another country
21:38
and they were to hand me a leaflet on how to behave I'd just sling it
21:43
I wouldn't be bothered to sit there and read it right you know what language is this
21:48
is this leaflet in well that's interesting I think there's a phone number
21:52
that if you can't understand it. My sense is if you ring this number, you're going to get a translated version
21:57
of it, but I can't say that for certain. Okay, so then how much money is this legally
22:02
and this phone call costing, plus the mobile phones that they give them when they arrive
22:08
anyway? Surely it would be better, why not send them a text? But, you see, if you listen
22:13
to someone like Ahmed, the caller with whom I just spoke, he doesn't see the problem here
22:18
There is a problem. There is a problem, because the problem's been, you know, reported on
22:23
all these lists of people that are committing these offences it a major problem A man in my village last week went up to London to meet his friends He 74
22:39
He was in Whitehall, walking along the streets. Two people, covered their faces, heads, whatever, took his legs out
22:47
He fell to the floor to rob him. And the man, you can't recognise him. He's covered in bruises
22:53
But, again, lastly, Ahmed would say, justifiably, that there are plenty of British-born people who would knock your friend to the ground and rob him, and there are plenty of British-born sex offenders. How do you respond to that school of thought, Hayley
23:06
Obviously, there's sex offenders in every country, but they are coming here, wanting to come here, wanting to live in this country, so they need to abide by our roles
23:16
Hayley, thanks for calling in. We'll have more calls on this. Mike in Barnet. I'm a father of two young daughters, seven and eleven, and I'm terrified for them
23:26
This leaflet proves that we have a rising problem in this country. The government's, the government's, the government's it? I don't know
23:31
The government's, instead of dealing with the real issue, they just send out a leaflet. I am worried. This comes in from Michael in Twickenham
23:39
The leaflet is the government giving out is absolutely shocking. It's written in a way it would be written for a child
23:44
I feel like, I feel like moving to North Korea. Sue in Cambridge makes a good point
23:48
Surely this must lead to the fact these people have to be detained and not allowed to wander free
23:53
Not only do we have half the prison population wandering around free, we'll also have the equivalent. Now, in some instances, it'll be like the Taliban on our streets
24:00
Ricardo in Epsom. Ricardo, your take on this legal good morning, this booklet, I should say
24:06
Yeah, Nick, good morning. Absolutely superb show. I had to call in
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I'm... Number one, I'm shocked at a couple of the respondents or a couple of the callers
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Rosie was it and I didn't really hear if you like Rosie Ahmed
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thinks I'm on the wrong track here as well absolutely everyone is entitled to their
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views just as every woman man, child in this country is entitled to their safety
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without having to turn their head and thinking is this person behind me going to
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rape me, are they going to assault me, are they going to do anything to me, so to answer your question that you've been asking
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a lot of people in terms of is it ok, I mean
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Obviously, we have British rapists, we have British pedophiles, we have British murderers
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Of course we do. You're right. No, no. What I'm going to say is, just because we have them
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does it mean we have to open the door to more from other countries? Of course it doesn't. Of course it doesn't
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That's why this booklet's been put out. You know it as well as I do. Oh, absolutely. This country cannot suit any lower than what I genuinely thought it already had
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Watching a documentary a couple of months ago about that mega prison
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in Ecuador. I think you probably mean El Salvador. El Salvador, that's it. President Maduro
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When he was asked why is he doing it, what about the rights
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of the inmates, he said, well, what about the rights of the however many
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million innocent citizens? Why can't we adopt that? Why can't we adopt that mentality
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This is ridiculous. We are literally the government is admitting that we are letting in people
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who do not have the same values and morals when it comes to sexual
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or paedophilia or whatever than what the British people do. It's an admission of failure, and the only protection, I'll say again
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from girls aged 12 to men aged 65, both of whom have been victims of rape cases dealt with in the last few weeks
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the best protection we've got is a seven-page booklet. It's ridiculous. And some of these people from these countries
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I don't want to be, you know, they will use that booklet
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to wipe a certain part of their body, because that's what they're used to. Tough talking. Possibly some degree of truth to that
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Ricardo, thank you. Abigail in Dewsbury. Your take on this booklet. Good morning
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I can't believe what I'm hearing. I actually think I'm disgusted. Because this is just rules
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So they understand the rules. They can also be victims themselves. So they understand the rules and the laws
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Quite frankly, the fact that one in five guys on that far-right march
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where they did domestic abuse, Maybe all men should be given this rules and regulations, right
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Because you said earlier, you said people wouldn't hit their wives and stuff
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Well, you know what? Three women a week, this week, three women a week are killed by their partners, by English people
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Abigail. So actually, quite frankly, all men should be given this booklet
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All men. Abigail. It's not saying that they're all rapists or anything like that
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It's just letting them know the rules of the land. Abigail, when my grandfather came here around a century or so ago
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speaking virtually no English, nobody gave him a booklet that he couldn't beat up his wife
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or he couldn't rape children under the age of 16. Neither did my father, who came here as a child
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He wasn't given that either. I didn't need it, and my sons don't need it. Well, obviously many..
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No, no, hang on. Why are you supporting an unfortunate surge in criminality
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from people in a certain culture? Why would you not want to address that? No, you're twisting my words
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You're twisting my words. What I'm supporting, actually, is that this booklet be given to all men
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because, quite frankly, one in five guys on that far-right march, they had domestic abuse violations
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You said, in your own words, you said, men know not to hit wives
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Well, funny enough, three women a week are killed in this country by men of this..
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Why are you seeking to ignore what the Home Office accepts is a surge in criminality of people arriving from certain countries and cultures
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No, because they're just putting the rules down so they understand the law of this country
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And maybe some are, but you know what, right? Maybe they need to understand the rules and the laws of this country
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And that gives them the rules. Maybe all men, all men should be given that booklet
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All right, let's see if others agree with you. Abigail, thank you. Be safe
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Sarah's in Todmorden. You're on the radio. Hello, Sarah. Nick, I totally agree with Abigail
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this isn't a black brown problem this is a male problem and you dog whistling the way you are
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is not helping the situation who's put out the booklet? yes it's the government who's put out the booklet
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in response to commentators like yourselves and people who write in the mail
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and the telegraph who have been doing this for years now it's wrong
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I don't want to get into the immigration I don't want to get into the industry. Well, I'm sorry, you might not
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but they've done it because of a surge in sex crime by people... Violence
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No, Sarah, they've done... This is about male violence. Sarah, please... It's not a black and brown issue
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No, you will let me get this point in with respect. They have done this because of a considerable surge in crime
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by people arriving in this country from other cultures. Why would you... Of course they've said that
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Of course they've said that. Oh, they're lying. No, they're being disingenuous because..
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Well, what about the cases of Abdelazzo? Ahmadinejad, Ibrahim, I Shafiq, Keren al-Dun, Assad, Abdel, Makhahil
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and I've not even mentioned the Eritrean rapist, male rapist. I could read you a list from the court cases around this country
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Just let's let everyone in, Sarah. Where the defenders would be majority white because it is a male problem
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You don't see, lastly, that when they say you can't beat your wife
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and you must allow women to have equal opportunities, you don't see that as a cultural problem from countries other than the United Kingdom
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No, because I think we have a male cultural problem. What, we don't allow women out in public here and clothing that they choose
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Where do you live? It's nothing to do with that. No, that's in the leaflet
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It's nothing to do with it. Well, you can't keep saying it's nothing to do with it. It's in the booklet
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This is so disingenuous. And women in this country are sick and tired of men like yourself who are promoting this
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and what you're doing is you're giving cover to white male abusers
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who are in the majority in this country. Well, not in the cases as documented by the Home Office
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and I've been accused of some things in my career and it's been a long one but giving cover to that is a new one
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Sarah, look after yourself. Be safe in West Yorkshire. Thank you for that. Marie, these women who are calling in are missing the point
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I know there's an issue with domestic violence. However, why should we deal with extra violence against women from immigrants
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Fiona goes further. In Aberdeenshire, I'm utterly ashamed of these women phoning in this morning
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trying to dog-whistle people with genuine concerns about the increase of sexual assaults on women and girls by illegal immigrants
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The lethal in question shows an admission of danger being brought to our country
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Let's go to Carol, who's in Ruth. Carol, your reaction to this. Good morning. Hi, Nick. How are you
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I have been listening to those women, and I can actually hear perhaps maybe some pain in them
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maybe they have suffered domestic violence. And I do want to acknowledge that in this country
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and in my own country in Ireland, we have a horrific history of sexual violence
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by white men, by white priests in Ireland. But I really want to bring the point home
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to these women who've rang in today because we should be united, especially as women in this
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It's that I acknowledge our prisons and our paedophiles have been white men for years and years
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But what we need to manage now is we don't need men from anywhere else coming into this country who can perpetrate the same violence against women
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We have enough to deal with. So the caller who says every man should get this leaflet because men are involved, obviously, in beating their wives, men are involved in these sexual crimes
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and they choose not to look at the aspect the Home Office is highlighting, how would you respond to that, Carol
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No, I think there's an over-dramatization of this. This country, men in this country, men in my own country
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I don't want to speak about where I am in particular, I live here 20 years, but I am from Ireland
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Men know what way to behave. We know the rules and laws and legal laws of our society
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My father didn't need a leaflet no more than your father did. My husband doesn't need one
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My stepson doesn't need one. And to think our government in this country has produced a leaflet for foreign men coming in paints the whole picture for us
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Lastly, also, as others have pointed out, indeed one of them being Sue in Cambridge
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the idea we put these folk now in camps where they're at liberty to roam during the day and just have to report back at night
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again, doesn't that speak to the danger of some, not all of them, Carol? No, of course, not all of them
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But the problem is, is we don't know. We have no crime figures to substantiate what percentage of these men are perpetrators of this level of violence
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We're already seeing indications in our own crime rates that sexual violence against women is going up
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And I still repeat, we know we have a problem in this country with our own men
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I acknowledge that fully, as in my own country. but we don't want to let more people in, more men in, let's be honest
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more men in from 18 to 25 years of age who can perpetrate this violence on women in this country
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Carol, thanks for your input. Kim in Windsor. Kim, your take. Good morning
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Oh, good morning. It's the first time for me to phone in and speak to you, I have to say. I was stonking
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I thought I'm going to have to dial in. I've been listening for years and years and years. Thank you so much for calling
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What are you going to tell me? Thank you so much. I appreciate what the ladies are saying
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And very briefly, just for a quick moment, I understand we've all been there. There have been many times in our lives growing up and seeing what you see and dealing with the men in your lives and the people you meet in the street
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I totally understand that. We're not diminishing that at all. But as soon as I heard about the booklet this morning earlier on, I was literally listening to you and I took a breath because I thought, finally, finally, the government are actually saying, well, actually, we do have to acknowledge there's a massive problem going on here
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So it is a huge admission for them to suddenly put together a document to tell somebody how to behave in our country
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tells me they absolutely 100% know that we are correct in our concerns and then I thought well
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at least it's like putting a foot in the door if they've done that then they need to do more it's
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as simple as that and I'm absolutely welcoming it's not enough but it lets me know that they
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are listening because we are desperate I'm a grandmother I'm a mother a grandmother I've got
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a 16 year old granddaughter that wants to go out in the evening and I'm terrified I keep saying to my daughter please are you making sure she's getting collected it's the friend of her dad
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collecting there or something. I'm terrified. You see it, you hear it all the time. And I'm sorry
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if you have to actually tell someone how to behave in our country, then you are not welcome
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But to the callers who talk about British-born rapists and wife-beaters, how would you respond
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to that line of thought? Well, I would certainly know that in our country, we grow, we understand
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what's right and wrong. So those that are treating us in the way that they do in our country know
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right from wrong. So they should be dealt with accordingly. It's as simple as that. Many, many
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years ago I moved to France I lived there for a few years very fortunately um but I did not get a
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document to tell me how to behave when I went there because I already knew what was right and wrong
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people that are coming into our country live a different cultural life they have different
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beliefs many many years ago I also worked in a school and I worked as an attendance
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officer and I used to have to contact the local council to say when our little Somalian girl went
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on holiday between a certain age because when she went away they were going to be doing awful things
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to her that they do as a culture. I mean, so what I'm saying is
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we know different cultures, different ways of life are what we are dealing with
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but they cannot come here and expect to do the same. We shouldn't have them here
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And if they are here, then we shouldn't have to give them a document because that terrifies the life out of me
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But I'm thinking to myself, if that's all we can do, then I welcome it and more. But we need more
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Lastly, to the point of your 16-year-old granddaughter, again, a lot of women making these points
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If there are some, again, not all of these people, if there are some of their concern
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Why not they allowed to wander free when they're in the supposed camps during the day
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Isn't that a concern as well? It's a huge concern. That's like, you know, we're actually saying
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that's okay, wander amongst us, but we're not, we have no way of identifying who these people are
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We don't know which ones are safe and which ones aren't. It a total you know the latest stories I was abhorred to the latest story when you heard about that poor gentleman that old gentleman And I couldn get my head around it I got a 90 dad and I just thought to myself that it
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We can't have this. So for anybody out there at the moment, I'm terrified. I look over my shoulder
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I do that. I won't deny it. I do. But if I'm thinking that our government can't support us and look after us
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then that's frightening. So this, to me, I was like, thank God. Thankfully, someone's actually acknowledged to sit down and put this together
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they have taken on board what people are saying. Well, that's a view that I think a lot of people have shared
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I need to stress, not all asylum seekers or migrants come here
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but they have noticed that there's been a troubling uptick in the number of sexual crimes involving rapes of women as young as 12
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and men as old as 65 by asylum seekers or migrants. So they're putting out this booklet, if you haven't seen it
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understanding behaviours and expectations in the UK. It spells out that child abuse is a serious crime in the UK
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You cannot have sex or sexual contact with a child under 16
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You cannot cut or harm a girl's genitals. You must not beat your wife or any other woman
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It talks about how you must not control what a woman wears or where she goes
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You cannot stop a woman from seeing friends or family. And as we've been saying, of course, sadly, in some of those cases
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we have enough of British-born people, but do we really want to effectively be bringing in more
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In the last show of the show, I discussed this with the social policy yst, Dr. Rakib Ehsan
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I think that what it really shows is that we have a truly dysfunctional asylum system
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and our lax border security poses a fundamental threat, especially to the public safety of female citizens in this country
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If you have an asylum system where the Home Office has to issue guidance
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to asylum applicants on matters of domestic violence, child sexual abuse, the basic rules of sexual consent in this country
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And this is what you're saying, particularly if you were listening earlier in the show, in the previous hour
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callers such as Sarah and Abigail took me to task and said I need to be aware that these crimes are committed
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of course, by men who were born here. Natasha, as a female, I just want to thank you for raising this issue
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We have some bad men in the UK. Do we really need more men, who are possibly even worse, brought into the UK, who have no problem with the way they mistreat women and girls
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It's disgusting, and it's scary. Carrie says, I disagree with those two callers. In no way you're dog whistling or covering for male violence
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As a woman in the UK, I fully recognise the issue of male violence, but I think it's clear those native to the UK who commit violence are aware it's illegal
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This does not negate, however, the very real and valid concerns. Suzanne's in Hitchens. Suzanne, your reaction to this booklet. Good morning
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Good morning. I'd just like to start by saying that I think you are an incredibly fair interviewer
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an incredibly fair journalist, and I have held on this morning for a long time waiting to speak to you
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because I am horrified, like the last two women who you've spoken to
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at the reaction that you've got from other women like Sarah. Right. I'm ignoring the fact that so much crime is committed by British-born people, white people, and I'm choosing to get a dog whistle out is the way I've responded to this booklet. How would you react to those charges
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my only main point about this yes i know we have rapists here i know we have pedophiles and sexual
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assaults but all these men know it's wrong now we're letting people into our country who think
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it's okay who their culture says it's okay to hit women rape women allow them not to go out with
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their friends. I am horrified that only a booklet is felt fitting
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to show these people what is right or wrong, that they don't know what is
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right or wrong. Is it a mistake for the Home Office to put this booklet out
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in that it can be seen as an admission of failure? I think it is an admission of failure
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because what we should be seeing is people being arrested and deported
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for any of these crimes. You do anything wrong you're out on the first plane, not in six months or a year when your legal case has been fought
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Suzanne, the likelihood of someone who would engage in sex, who would rape a 12-year-old girl
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or who would rape a 65-year-old man behind a church in North London
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do you think they're even going to read this document? Absolutely not. The only thing that they need is to be arrested
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and the fact that you can say a man was raped, children were raped
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means that it was a proven fact. So those people need to be returned to their countries
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where it's okay to do those things. I think they should be given a second chance
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and they shouldn't be going to our prisons that already overfall. Suzanne, thanks for your kind words about the show
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Have yourself a safe day up in Hitchin. Daniel's in Brighton. Daniel, what do you take from the publication of this booklet
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Did the government, should they have done it? hi nick um thanks thanks for your time um no look honestly i'm a father um of a young daughter and
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i'm generally worried about my you know my wife and my father and my daughter's safety um i don't
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feel like sometimes i don't even feel comfortable taking videos of my daughter at the park right um
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tell me why oh because you think hang on you think others will think you're filming their children
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is that what you're saying yeah yeah yeah maybe and um you know i i i honestly don't think this
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is a race issue um i come from a migrant family myself this is generally about behavior and
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respecting the laws of the country that you choose to live in right um look for me i've even declined
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a six-figure uh job offer abroad because i didn't agree with their laws and their culture oh is that
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right that's interesting okay so you know i respected that that was their country and that's
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how they view cultures for instance um i think the same should apply here if you come to the uk
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you have to respect our laws and values and coming back to the leaflet thing
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I don't think we need to be teaching grown men how to behave
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on a bit of paper you know this is society this is how you
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as a man Daniel you're ignoring the fact that British born people get involved in rape
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British born people beat their wives British born people sadly in some instances kill their wives
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how would you respond to that charge sorry say that again some people would say but why aren't there
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leaflets for British-born men who get involved in the rape, British-born men who beat up
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their wives. Why are we ignoring that Why are we stigmatising or choosing just to do it for arrivals No because we already know that this is an issue in our society in our community for many years
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We don't need to, now that we've seen a rise in it, okay, we need to address it
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but I don't think the leaflet is the right way. They need to be vetted properly
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They're called illegal migrants for a reason. And, you know, if they're not legally in this country for a reason
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and this is the way that they see a culture to be okay, then I think it's fine for them to stay where they are
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Daniel, thank you. Now, a lot of you have raised the question of cost and, of course, the ability to read it
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because if you come here and you don't speak English, you won't understand what's going on
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These are questions that we've put to the home office and so far we've not had an answer. There's a phone number that you can ring
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What does that number provide for? For instance, if I need this translated into some kind of African language
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am I going to get it translated into that? And how much does the whole enterprise cost
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once you allow for potential translation services? Currently, answers are there none on that
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But I sense this is a story of such magnitude that the papers aren't going to let it go
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Jess in Lambeth. Jess, your take on this. Good morning. Morning, Nick
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I have woken up this morning and I just want to burst into tears. I mean, I think that this consistent response from people when we're talking about, you know
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the genuine concerns that are being raised into the country is met with, well, what about all men
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I absolutely cannot stand it anymore. So every woman has always felt unsafe at some point
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You know, we call our friends in taxis. We text, let us know when you're home
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No woman walking down the street has ever thought about the race or religion of someone who might attack her
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She's just thinking, I hope I get home safe. And that fear is never discriminated
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But I think right now that fear is being added to with rocket fuel
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And I think that people are conflating two different conversations here. one is about religion, one is about culture
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they're not the same and how society teaches people to understand consent is not
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the same everywhere that difference doesn't vanish the moment someone crosses a border and it
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certainly doesn't vanish because of a nine page lease, you know you can
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see a lot of different norms books that have on arrival she said a minute ago that
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the way that people can read that document is also really important
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that's an insult to anybody it's just how people don't really change or can't change
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and pretend otherwise is this kind of thinking that got us here
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Jess I will end it there, your signal was you got all your points across, it's just
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a little bit of clinging and banging on the end of your call, Jess thank you for making your points
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this is when having a conversation if everyone says you're a genius
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right, the idea of conversation is that people have different views and two very
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strong, very well cogently argued callers, Sarah and Abigail told me that I was nuts
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because I wasn't acknowledging the fact that there were if I may use this rather crude, especially
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in homegrown rapists and sex offenders. Well, a lot of women have rallied to defend me
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Maxine says, the argument about already having our own bad men doesn't hold any weight
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It's like saying if you find a murderer in your house, you may as well let another murderer in. It's ridiculous
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Sandy in Amersham, who chooses to tell us that she's a female, these angry women have missed the point
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They're missing the point of culture. We have a fast-growing number of men coming into the country illegally
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from other cultures whose attitudes towards women is completely different to what we have in Europe
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and that's why so many of them are risks. Munira in Watford, the point you would like to make
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Munira, good morning. Hello, good morning. I must compare with some of the other women
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British men need this booklet. I know, Munira, but to Maxine's point
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if you had a murderer in your house, you wouldn't let another one in, would you
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No, but we have enough of them here, right? The men here, British men, need to learn how
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to protect women and learn how to behave in a decent manner
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But, Nira, we don't need to let more in, do we, Nira? You're right, of course everyone should
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But there is not a broadly accepted culture in this country that women can't go out and meet with other women
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they can only wear effectively what clothing they're told to wear, and they can't be educated
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We don't have that. Have you heard of spiking? And what happens if a woman leaves her drink unattended
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Right, Nira, Nira, Amira, that is an illegal activity, whereas in some of these cultures, women are not allowed to socialise with other women
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They're not allowed to go to school. Spiking of drinks is an illegal activity
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Sure, where perpetrators isolate their partners to remove them from their families in order to control them
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Have you heard about that? Yes, of course, and it's illegal. It's exactly the same, done by British men
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No, it's not an... I'm not getting this through. Sadly, it is... Let's go to Afghanistan. Let's keep this really simple
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Sadly, in Afghanistan, it is an accepted part of culture that women are not educated
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that women cannot be doctors, they cannot be engineers, they cannot be professors
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They have to dress in the way they're told, and they cannot meet with other women on social occasions
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That is their culture. I reckon... Spike, spike... Give me a minute
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spiking of drinks is not it takes place in Britain it is not British culture, Munira
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No, no, no, no I work in a school with Afghan girls they are the hardest working girls
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in that school they take their education very, very seriously but they're not in Kabul
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they're in Watford Exactly that's exactly the point thank God they are in Watford
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because they can be these great students and they probably will go on to be doctors and engineers
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which is never going to happen if they were back in Kabul, which is my point
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Because of the culture, Munira. Because of the culture that is there, Munira
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They're not in Afghanistan, and they're teaching their girls... Increasing the level of your voice does not increase the power of your argument
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Just listen, listen to me. That is the culture that they were subjected to
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prior to getting to the leafy enclave of Watford. They don't live alone
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They live with brothers and fathers who tell them, take your education seriously
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We love you. We value you. You need to make a life for yourself
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Munira, they wouldn't be able to do that in Afghanistan. Would you accept that? No, they wouldn't. Of course they wouldn't
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But they're here and they're giving different values to their... And that... Let's remind ourselves
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It does not increase the power of your argument. That is the culture clash that we have here
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Yes? British men need the booklet. They need that booklet. Munira, thank you
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I thoroughly enjoyed all the calls that have come in not least Sarah and Abigail who think I completely mad And Munira for that matter actually Joining a growing band of people who think I completely nuts uh let come back to our conversation about this book uh still no word from the home office as to whether how many languages is available nor total cost of
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translation services you've got to think somebody at the end of play will get to that for those
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figures marks in chester hello you're on the radio thank you for holding good morning good morning
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nick and for a start you're not nuts and as suzanne said who nailed everything uh you're
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extremely reasonable broadcaster to both sides. And Daniel nailed it all as well about the Saudi thing
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because I lived and worked in Dubai and I turned down a similar thing. Oh, did you really? Yeah, I was living in Dubai as a successful
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financial advisor. I was offered a bigger ticket commission job in Saudi
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I'm not going there. I had a principle. How difficult or how easy a decision
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was it? Um... Well, for a start, I like a beer. Right, so that's going to be a problem
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I wouldn't even go to a boxing match there if somebody gave me a front seat ticket
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Right, okay. I do not like Saudi. You don't even visit anymore? No, I don't
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Dubai's fine, but I won't go to Saudi. Right, so you do Dubai. Okay, right
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Yeah. Interesting. And obviously, I then raised my family in Spain with respect to their cultures
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And so, coming back to this booklet... Yes, sir. I think it's overdue
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but... And, of course, today we're only talking about, you know, the immigrants
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and not the Englishmen that break the law, but they know the law already
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Well, hopefully they do. They know the consequences. Yes. But these guys, I think, when we get on an aeroplane, we are told in every language possible
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seatbelts fastened, no smoking, no wandering up and down while that light is on, okay
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Now, that's international law. Why doesn't it happen when they're inducted into these places, hotels, or whatever
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before they're told how their debit card works and given their phones? In every language, this doesn't happen here, because if it happens, you're straight out on the boat now
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or on an aeroplane. It needs them done in every language. Of course, they're going to smirk and laugh and throw these little booklets away
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They're not going to read them. They think they are right, and they've got their God's right to do what they want
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But it needs to be done, and the government have recognised it. And bully for them. I don't often support the government, given this new guy a bit of a chance
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but I don't really support them. Right. And as to what Nick's broadcast is going to be rabbiting on about..
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Well, call him on his number. He'll be happy to talk to you. You don't rate this government
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Do you include Sir Keir Starmer? and what do you make of the previous
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two or three previous Conservative administrations Mark? I think they've all put their head in
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whether it's bashing the gangs or whatever over these issues. Too little
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too late and I actually think all this, well they can afford £5,000
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to get over here. I think it's another rabbit hole. I think they're
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being funded by some big Islamic fund or collection of mosques or whatever and I think, I hate
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to think there could be a big uprising one day and all of a sudden AK-47 has come out of the ground
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Well, let's hope that's wrong. Glad to have you safely back from Spain. Interesting you'll happily go to Dubai
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but you're not for working in Saudi Arabia. Have a safe one. Thanks, Mark
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Equally, Tony and Farrah's been hanging on the line. Thank you, Tony. We had to get through a number of female callers
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so let's get some male perspective now. Your take on this. Good morning. Yeah, the only deterrent and solution to this
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is to build an offshore detention centre for unverified identified males who will be told that because we can't verify who they are
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that they will never be able to claim asylum in the UK and in time build a prison attached to it for all foreign criminals
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Sorry, where would that be located? Off the coast of Scotland, hopefully
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where previously inhabited islands is quite a few of them. How are we going to get them there
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Well, we've got plenty of boats. they can get there by Border Force boats
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What are they going to do all day? To sustain life. What are they going to do all day
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Well, that's up to them. They can make their own lives there
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They can farm crops. But it's going to be, I would imagine, it's probably going to be pretty bleak in the winter
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So it's not going to be easy to grow crops. Isn't that just going to cause, I mean, you wouldn't want to be one of the people guarding them, would you
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Well, a lot of people have lived there previously, and crofters, et cetera, and made perfectly good lives themselves
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Everything will be given to them to sustain a reasonable standard of life
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Right. And those that want to go back to their country will get a free ticket back
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Right. You don't think this is a sort of Rwanda-style plan, only it's more the Highlands than Rwanda
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Well, it's not a Rwanda style because we're not, what you're saying to them
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if you come here, this is where you'll go and you will never get to the UK unless we can find out who you are
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And the lawyers who would oppose this on every step, what would you say to that? Well, they can do what they like, really, but we're not persecuting them
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We're just saying to them, this is where you'll go. Well, do you not think putting them on a virtually uninhabited island is slightly..
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No, they'll have accommodation provided for them. During COVID, we built Nightingale hospitals in weeks
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So we can build this prefabricated accommodation. I mean, I don't have knowledge about..
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The one in London wasn't built within weeks because it was the old Excel Centre
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So that was an existing massive exhibition centre, actually, if you've ever been to it
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OK, Tony, it's a view. Let's see what others make of it. Have a good one. Thank you. I just wanted to say I totally agree with you that I believe this leaflet is the admission by the government that there is a danger
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Failure and danger, I would suggest. Failure and danger. But what I'm thinking of is, should the government then produce a leaflet for women and girls in this country
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in order to know how to keep themselves safe, given this danger? Isn't that just an added admission of defeat
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Isn't it? I can't see it happening, but I think that is the flip side to this, isn't it
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If women and girls are in danger because of these... Well, it's not just women and girls, remember
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In recent weeks, we've gone from a 12-year-old girl to a 65-year-old man being raped behind a church in North London
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So that's the level of it. And the protection the government has is a seven-page leaflet
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probably available in many languages. David, thank you. Robert, in 30 seconds, the point you want to make, 30 if you can
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Go ahead, Indulah. Oh, that's difficult, Nick. Look, when I called your research earlier this morning, I said two things are going to happen today
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One, you're going to get a bunch of callers who are going to basically try and defend the indefensible
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And that is because the woke mind virus has utterly destroyed the brain of the far left in this country
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So they'll just carry on. They don't care if you bring in rapists or murderers. And now I'm not saying that everyone is
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No, of course they're not. And it's interesting. I'm half black, right? And I'm so bored of these white liberal
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And I actually said to the ladies this morning, there'll be a bunch of Karens calling in
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It'll be liberal women trying to save me because I can't save myself
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And you had the last word
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