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Aug 6, 2025
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internet is a vast ocean of connected
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internet is a vast ocean of connected
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internet is a vast ocean of connected devices devices of all
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devices devices of all
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devices devices of all kind all type of people use these
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kind all type of people use these
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kind all type of people use these devices
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devices
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devices and there
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and there
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and there are like normal people good citizens
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are like normal people good citizens
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are like normal people good citizens good net
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good net
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good net citizens but then there are some
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citizens but then there are some
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citizens but then there are some malicious actors using these devices
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malicious actors using these devices
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malicious actors using these devices across the planet to take
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across the planet to take
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across the planet to take certain advantage of exploited systems
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certain advantage of exploited systems
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certain advantage of exploited systems or the weakest controls on different
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or the weakest controls on different
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or the weakest controls on different systems what you see on this live graph
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systems what you see on this live graph
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systems what you see on this live graph provided by gpus
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provided by gpus
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provided by gpus so this
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so this
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so this is the live attack map on the
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is the live attack map on the
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is the live attack map on the screen live cyber attacks happening
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screen live cyber attacks happening
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screen live cyber attacks happening across the world which is captured by
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across the world which is captured by
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across the world which is captured by cap
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cap
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cap kasperski you see that at this moment
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kasperski you see that at this moment
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kasperski you see that at this moment the most attacked country is
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the most attacked country is
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the most attacked country is Canada few minutes before it was
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Canada few minutes before it was
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Canada few minutes before it was Sweden and the thing is there are lots
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Sweden and the thing is there are lots
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Sweden and the thing is there are lots and lots of issues which are
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and lots of issues which are
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and lots of issues which are happening between the software to
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happening between the software to
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happening between the software to Hardware to Connected devices whether
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Hardware to Connected devices whether
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Hardware to Connected devices whether it's a a connected car it could be a
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it's a a connected car it could be a
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it's a a connected car it could be a smart TV anything which is connected to
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smart TV anything which is connected to
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smart TV anything which is connected to internet can be
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internet can be
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internet can be attacked so let's start with today's
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attacked so let's start with today's
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attacked so let's start with today's show with the distinction between the
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show with the distinction between the
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show with the distinction between the attackers and the protectors
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okay so let's stop the sharing
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okay so let's stop the sharing
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okay so let's stop the sharing and good morning your friend naen again
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and good morning your friend naen again
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and good morning your friend naen again on this show we are uh second episode of
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on this show we are uh second episode of
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on this show we are uh second episode of this show named cold rad where we will
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this show named cold rad where we will
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this show named cold rad where we will talk about everything cyber security and
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talk about everything cyber security and
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talk about everything cyber security and again a disclaimer everything is being
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again a disclaimer everything is being
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again a disclaimer everything is being shared on this channel is only for
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shared on this channel is only for
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shared on this channel is only for Education purpose so that you can
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Education purpose so that you can
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Education purpose so that you can protect the your systems better the
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protect the your systems better the
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protect the your systems better the companies you work for their systems
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companies you work for their systems
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companies you work for their systems better and your personal devices you can
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better and your personal devices you can
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better and your personal devices you can keep your uh family and friends safe
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keep your uh family and friends safe
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keep your uh family and friends safe with this
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with this
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with this knowledge no part of this knowledge
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knowledge no part of this knowledge
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knowledge no part of this knowledge should be used or consumed in any way to
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should be used or consumed in any way to
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should be used or consumed in any way to harm anything else which is not yours so
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harm anything else which is not yours so
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harm anything else which is not yours so let's kick
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let's kick
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let's kick start get to know so you just saw the
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start get to know so you just saw the
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start get to know so you just saw the map of the cyber attacks which are
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map of the cyber attacks which are
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map of the cyber attacks which are happening live there are different uh
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happening live there are different uh
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happening live there are different uh service providers who share these Maps
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service providers who share these Maps
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service providers who share these Maps uh with you uh so that you can see the
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uh with you uh so that you can see the
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uh with you uh so that you can see the uh you know the intensity of cyber
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uh you know the intensity of cyber
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uh you know the intensity of cyber threats across the planet now why do
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threats across the planet now why do
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threats across the planet now why do we only talk about cyber security
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we only talk about cyber security
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we only talk about cyber security because it's a very very hot topic and
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because it's a very very hot topic and
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because it's a very very hot topic and security is basically the birth right
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security is basically the birth right
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security is basically the birth right like everyone's Birthright so everyone
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like everyone's Birthright so everyone
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like everyone's Birthright so everyone should be remain secure and not
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should be remain secure and not
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should be remain secure and not exploitable and secure and many sense so
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exploitable and secure and many sense so
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exploitable and secure and many sense so similarly is our data our data the
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similarly is our data our data the
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similarly is our data our data the information which is like meaningful
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information which is like meaningful
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information which is like meaningful data is meant to be uh remain
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data is meant to be uh remain
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data is meant to be uh remain secured but what happens there are
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secured but what happens there are
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secured but what happens there are instances when we lose control on the
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instances when we lose control on the
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instances when we lose control on the data and when we lose this control it
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data and when we lose this control it
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data and when we lose this control it could be like my oversighted it could be
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could be like my oversighted it could be
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could be like my oversighted it could be that my unawareness it could be that
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that my unawareness it could be that
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that my unawareness it could be that someone knows better than me that how to
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someone knows better than me that how to
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someone knows better than me that how to use the system it could be your phone it
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use the system it could be your phone it
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use the system it could be your phone it could be any application on the phone it
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could be any application on the phone it
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could be any application on the phone it could be your laptop it could be your uh
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could be your laptop it could be your uh
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could be your laptop it could be your uh access to the corporate systems it could
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access to the corporate systems it could
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access to the corporate systems it could be anything so it anything can be
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be anything so it anything can be
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be anything so it anything can be exploited so awareness is
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exploited so awareness is
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exploited so awareness is needed and let's first of all uh learn
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needed and let's first of all uh learn
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needed and let's first of all uh learn that how many type of uh attacks like so
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that how many type of uh attacks like so
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that how many type of uh attacks like so you know normal attacks are there so
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you know normal attacks are there so
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you know normal attacks are there so there first and the foremost which is
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there first and the foremost which is
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there first and the foremost which is like most you know dangerous to the
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like most you know dangerous to the
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like most you know dangerous to the normal citizens it's like fishing attack
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normal citizens it's like fishing attack
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normal citizens it's like fishing attack so there are lots of variants of the
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so there are lots of variants of the
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so there are lots of variants of the fishing attack now so if uh so what is
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fishing attack now so if uh so what is
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fishing attack now so if uh so what is fishing fishing sends someone sends
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fishing fishing sends someone sends
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fishing fishing sends someone sends you malicious
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you malicious
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you malicious information uh in a sort of internet
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information uh in a sort of internet
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information uh in a sort of internet link SMS voice call uh image anything so
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link SMS voice call uh image anything so
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link SMS voice call uh image anything so there are different variants and you
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there are different variants and you
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there are different variants and you fall prey to them you click them you
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fall prey to them you click them you
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fall prey to them you click them you consume them or they they access your
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consume them or they they access your
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consume them or they they access your system in a way that they want to so
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system in a way that they want to so
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system in a way that they want to so this is like in a very raw summary what
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this is like in a very raw summary what
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this is like in a very raw summary what happens
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happens
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happens uh this could Deploy mware on the system
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uh this could Deploy mware on the system
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uh this could Deploy mware on the system which will stay longer they can record
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which will stay longer they can record
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which will stay longer they can record your activities on your devices and as I
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your activities on your devices and as I
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your activities on your devices and as I say again and again are you aware
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say again and again are you aware
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say again and again are you aware that our mer you know our mobile phones
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that our mer you know our mobile phones
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that our mer you know our mobile phones are the least protected devices we use
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are the least protected devices we use
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are the least protected devices we use on our laptop they come with you know in
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on our laptop they come with you know in
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on our laptop they come with you know in buil firewall they come with the inbuilt
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buil firewall they come with the inbuilt
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buil firewall they come with the inbuilt anrs or you can deploy edrs if you use
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anrs or you can deploy edrs if you use
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anrs or you can deploy edrs if you use corporate devices they
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corporate devices they
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corporate devices they literally
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literally
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literally secured but our personal mobile phone we
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secured but our personal mobile phone we
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secured but our personal mobile phone we never think about the security of that
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never think about the security of that
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never think about the security of that we never think about installing any
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we never think about installing any
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we never think about installing any antivirus or EDR on that or any firewall
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antivirus or EDR on that or any firewall
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antivirus or EDR on that or any firewall on that because we need impromptu access
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on that because we need impromptu access
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on that because we need impromptu access and we download and use applications
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and we download and use applications
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and we download and use applications without any
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without any
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without any verification we use banking
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verification we use banking
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verification we use banking applications um we get SMS we use login
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applications um we get SMS we use login
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applications um we get SMS we use login mfas whatnot so so that is the least
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mfas whatnot so so that is the least
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mfas whatnot so so that is the least protected device but even if it is least
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protected device but even if it is least
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protected device but even if it is least protected it is my device no one has
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protected it is my device no one has
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protected it is my device no one has right to access it without my
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right to access it without my
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right to access it without my permission so there is a category of uh
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permission so there is a category of uh
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permission so there is a category of uh we call it
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we call it
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we call it actors so there is a category of uh uh
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actors so there is a category of uh uh
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actors so there is a category of uh uh people who know technology to use it in
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people who know technology to use it in
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people who know technology to use it in you know for uh malicious purpose
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you know for uh malicious purpose
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you know for uh malicious purpose they access the systems without
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they access the systems without
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they access the systems without authorization they access the systems
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authorization they access the systems
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authorization they access the systems without
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without
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without authentication they access the system by
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authentication they access the system by
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authentication they access the system by using different flaws in the system and
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using different flaws in the system and
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using different flaws in the system and when we talk about system it there must
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when we talk about system it there must
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when we talk about system it there must be some software running on it because
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be some software running on it because
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be some software running on it because software is the key to have all the bugs
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software is the key to have all the bugs
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software is the key to have all the bugs on the
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on the
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on the planet so if it is a
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planet so if it is a
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planet so if it is a software it is
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software it is
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software it is uh injectable corruptable it can have
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uh injectable corruptable it can have
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uh injectable corruptable it can have bugs it can be
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bugs it can be
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bugs it can be exploited so that's I think the basic of
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exploited so that's I think the basic of
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exploited so that's I think the basic of cyber security why people break into
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cyber security why people break into
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cyber security why people break into other systems because it's
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other systems because it's
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other systems because it's breakable okay so it's simple binary
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breakable okay so it's simple binary
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breakable okay so it's simple binary answer because it's
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answer because it's
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answer because it's breakable now but do they have
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breakable now but do they have
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breakable now but do they have permission to do
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permission to do
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permission to do that that is the topic of today's
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that that is the topic of today's
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that that is the topic of today's episode
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episode
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episode so if someone for example you you have
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so if someone for example you you have
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so if someone for example you you have say you are hosting some web application
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say you are hosting some web application
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say you are hosting some web application you are running a small business or even
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you are running a small business or even
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you are running a small business or even if you are working in a corporate you
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if you are working in a corporate you
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if you are working in a corporate you have a data center you have your own
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have a data center you have your own
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have a data center you have your own applications within your data center now
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applications within your data center now
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applications within your data center now someone tries to access this web
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someone tries to access this web
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someone tries to access this web application you say okay it is like
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application you say okay it is like
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application you say okay it is like public application anyone can use
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public application anyone can use
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public application anyone can use it uh
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it uh
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it uh so they get the
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so they get the
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so they get the homepage and if they try the user ID
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homepage and if they try the user ID
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homepage and if they try the user ID which is not given to them any user ID
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which is not given to them any user ID
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which is not given to them any user ID then that means they are not authorized
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then that means they are not authorized
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then that means they are not authorized to use that application because they
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to use that application because they
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to use that application because they they are not given the
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they are not given the
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they are not given the access so first thing is the
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access so first thing is the
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access so first thing is the authorization are they authorized to
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authorization are they authorized to
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authorization are they authorized to login
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login
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login no second thing is uh they uses some
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no second thing is uh they uses some
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no second thing is uh they uses some from stolen credentials how do they
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from stolen credentials how do they
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from stolen credentials how do they steal it we will talk about in some
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steal it we will talk about in some
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steal it we will talk about in some other episode but stolen identic if it
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other episode but stolen identic if it
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other episode but stolen identic if it is they are used stolen
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is they are used stolen
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is they are used stolen credentials that means they are even uh
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credentials that means they are even uh
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credentials that means they are even uh you know um stealing something like
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you know um stealing something like
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you know um stealing something like stealing the credential and using it so
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stealing the credential and using it so
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stealing the credential and using it so step by step they start breaking the
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step by step they start breaking the
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step by step they start breaking the laws then they access the information
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laws then they access the information
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laws then they access the information which is again the access my salary slip
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which is again the access my salary slip
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which is again the access my salary slip within the system so again it breaks
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within the system so again it breaks
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within the system so again it breaks further several
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further several
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further several laws then they update something in the
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laws then they update something in the
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laws then they update something in the database they further break the laws
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database they further break the laws
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database they further break the laws they manipulated the information in that
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they manipulated the information in that
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they manipulated the information in that sense and then they infiltrate in the
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sense and then they infiltrate in the
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sense and then they infiltrate in the system and then they you know spread
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system and then they you know spread
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system and then they you know spread across the
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across the
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across the networks so that means they are like
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networks so that means they are like
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networks so that means they are like like uh they are just not a lowlevel you
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like uh they are just not a lowlevel you
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like uh they are just not a lowlevel you know onetime attackers they want to they
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know onetime attackers they want to they
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know onetime attackers they want to they have malicious intent to stay there
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have malicious intent to stay there
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have malicious intent to stay there learn more about my network and the data
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learn more about my network and the data
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learn more about my network and the data flowing and then steal the data as much
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flowing and then steal the data as much
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flowing and then steal the data as much as they can or plant the ransomware
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as they can or plant the ransomware
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as they can or plant the ransomware plant some other bugs so there could be
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plant some other bugs so there could be
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plant some other bugs so there could be number of
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number of
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number of things now why do why I'm telling you
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things now why do why I'm telling you
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things now why do why I'm telling you this that this category of people we
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this that this category of people we
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this that this category of people we call that
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call that
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call that we call them
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we call them
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we call them hackers now if you look at some
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hackers now if you look at some
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hackers now if you look at some definition of hacking hacking means uh
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definition of hacking hacking means uh
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definition of hacking hacking means uh you know breaking something in
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you know breaking something in
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you know breaking something in non-conventional way or finding new ways
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non-conventional way or finding new ways
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non-conventional way or finding new ways to interact with the system which is not
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to interact with the system which is not
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to interact with the system which is not uh told or shared so basically that is
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uh told or shared so basically that is
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uh told or shared so basically that is hacking so hacking is good but this
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hacking so hacking is good but this
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hacking so hacking is good but this hacking activity is related to Crime you
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hacking activity is related to Crime you
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hacking activity is related to Crime you you are breaking the laws you are
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you are breaking the laws you are
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you are breaking the laws you are accessing systems unauthorized manner so
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accessing systems unauthorized manner so
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accessing systems unauthorized manner so this means this is unlawful activity and
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this means this is unlawful activity and
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this means this is unlawful activity and you are a criminal if you do that so
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you are a criminal if you do that so
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you are a criminal if you do that so this hacking is called it's a technique
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this hacking is called it's a technique
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this hacking is called it's a technique used by cyber criminals so we call them
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used by cyber criminals so we call them
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used by cyber criminals so we call them cyber criminals or hackers just uh in a
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cyber criminals or hackers just uh in a
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cyber criminals or hackers just uh in a nutshell they call hackers
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nutshell they call hackers
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nutshell they call hackers now they are bad they do things uh but
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now they are bad they do things uh but
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now they are bad they do things uh but what what is the
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what what is the
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what what is the motivation so motivation could be
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motivation so motivation could be
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motivation so motivation could be money motivation could be taking a
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money motivation could be taking a
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money motivation could be taking a business
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business
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business down motivation could be they could be
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down motivation could be they could be
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down motivation could be they could be ex employee of the companies which could
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ex employee of the companies which could
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ex employee of the companies which could which are like most of the cases so they
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which are like most of the cases so they
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which are like most of the cases so they they they have some Grudge
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they they have some Grudge
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they they have some Grudge about from some with some people or you
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about from some with some people or you
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about from some with some people or you know uh they
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know uh they
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know uh they could be Associated they could be a
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could be Associated they could be a
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could be Associated they could be a criminal gang they are getting paid for
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criminal gang they are getting paid for
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criminal gang they are getting paid for it to do certain activities so that
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it to do certain activities so that
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it to do certain activities so that anyone else can take advantage of the
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anyone else can take advantage of the
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anyone else can take advantage of the situation uh it could also become uh you
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situation uh it could also become uh you
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situation uh it could also become uh you know they take one large Enterprise down
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know they take one large Enterprise down
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know they take one large Enterprise down it could hit the economy of the whole
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it could hit the economy of the whole
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it could hit the economy of the whole company country
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company country
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company country so for example
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so for example
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so for example uh wheat
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uh wheat
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uh wheat production so someone says that or
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production so someone says that or
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production so someone says that or publishes some information or the
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publishes some information or the
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publishes some information or the information from like India and some
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information from like India and some
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information from like India and some other countries they produce wheat they
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other countries they produce wheat they
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other countries they produce wheat they are like big exporters of the wheat so
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are like big exporters of the wheat so
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are like big exporters of the wheat so when wheat flour goes out or wheat goes
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when wheat flour goes out or wheat goes
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when wheat flour goes out or wheat goes out so they are going under some
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out so they are going under some
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out so they are going under some standard checks so if some
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standard checks so if some
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standard checks so if some attacker uh hacks the system in the
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attacker uh hacks the system in the
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attacker uh hacks the system in the standardization agency and changes these
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standardization agency and changes these
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standardization agency and changes these parameters and shows that this uh wheat
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parameters and shows that this uh wheat
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parameters and shows that this uh wheat is of inferior quality or has some you
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is of inferior quality or has some you
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is of inferior quality or has some you know some chemicals or something what
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know some chemicals or something what
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know some chemicals or something what will happen media media is you know just
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will happen media media is you know just
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will happen media media is you know just blows out of proportion and then lots of
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blows out of proportion and then lots of
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blows out of proportion and then lots of active citizens on internet Twitter
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active citizens on internet Twitter
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active citizens on internet Twitter LinkedIn what's not and then the whole
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LinkedIn what's not and then the whole
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LinkedIn what's not and then the whole country the whole export gets hit within
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country the whole export gets hit within
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country the whole export gets hit within few hours of that day so this is the
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few hours of that day so this is the
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few hours of that day so this is the damage these cyber criminals can I just
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damage these cyber criminals can I just
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damage these cyber criminals can I just give you one example
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give you one example
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give you one example okay
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okay
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okay now how to stop
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now how to stop
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now how to stop them so to stop a thief uh security
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them so to stop a thief uh security
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them so to stop a thief uh security personnel has to think from the mind of
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personnel has to think from the mind of
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personnel has to think from the mind of a
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a
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a thief so to stop them we need right set
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thief so to stop them we need right set
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thief so to stop them we need right set of people who had the same set of
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of people who had the same set of
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of people who had the same set of skills or maybe better than
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skills or maybe better than
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skills or maybe better than them but they have a very ethical way of
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them but they have a very ethical way of
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them but they have a very ethical way of doing it they do it
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doing it they do it
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doing it they do it for uh protecting their
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for uh protecting their
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for uh protecting their systems so those were cyber criminals
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systems so those were cyber criminals
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systems so those were cyber criminals and these hackers are called ethical
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and these hackers are called ethical
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and these hackers are called ethical hackers so when we interviewed lots of
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hackers so when we interviewed lots of
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hackers so when we interviewed lots of uh uh University guys here like close
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uh uh University guys here like close
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uh uh University guys here like close to, and we asked we gave a poll what
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to, and we asked we gave a poll what
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to, and we asked we gave a poll what exactly they want to learn in cyber
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exactly they want to learn in cyber
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exactly they want to learn in cyber security 70% of them said they want to
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security 70% of them said they want to
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security 70% of them said they want to become ethical hacker wow
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become ethical hacker wow
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become ethical hacker wow well so they learned about ethical
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well so they learned about ethical
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well so they learned about ethical hacking you know through media different
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hacking you know through media different
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hacking you know through media different sort of YouTube channels and whatnot but
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sort of YouTube channels and whatnot but
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sort of YouTube channels and whatnot but no one tells them ethical hacking is
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no one tells them ethical hacking is
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no one tells them ethical hacking is good but no one tell them that what this
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good but no one tell them that what this
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good but no one tell them that what this ethical hacker will do rest of the time
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ethical hacker will do rest of the time
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ethical hacker will do rest of the time he will not be hacking systems all the
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he will not be hacking systems all the
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he will not be hacking systems all the time there are some other if you are
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time there are some other if you are
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time there are some other if you are working as a corporate employee you have
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working as a corporate employee you have
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working as a corporate employee you have some other responsibilities to perform
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some other responsibilities to perform
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some other responsibilities to perform as well so that is where you know uh
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as well so that is where you know uh
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as well so that is where you know uh people uh do not inspect what exactly
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people uh do not inspect what exactly
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people uh do not inspect what exactly they are picking as a career ethical
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they are picking as a career ethical
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they are picking as a career ethical hacker uh is a term but you become a
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hacker uh is a term but you become a
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hacker uh is a term but you become a penetration test you become a cyber
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penetration test you become a cyber
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penetration test you become a cyber security researcher who are trying to
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security researcher who are trying to
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security researcher who are trying to find the weaknesses or even though you
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find the weaknesses or even though you
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find the weaknesses or even though you know the weaknesses like you know the
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know the weaknesses like you know the
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know the weaknesses like you know the vulnerabilities in the system and in the
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vulnerabilities in the system and in the
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vulnerabilities in the system and in the corporates what happened you cannot fix
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corporates what happened you cannot fix
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corporates what happened you cannot fix the vulnerabilities with just one button
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the vulnerabilities with just one button
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the vulnerabilities with just one button it is not one single
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it is not one single
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it is not one single system there are system owners the
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system there are system owners the
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system there are system owners the system is working for some process
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system is working for some process
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system is working for some process working for some customer working for
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working for some customer working for
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working for some customer working for some critical uh process flow so you
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some critical uh process flow so you
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some critical uh process flow so you cannot just go and change it or cannot
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cannot just go and change it or cannot
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cannot just go and change it or cannot go just hack it no so so how do you do
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go just hack it no so so how do you do
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go just hack it no so so how do you do that there is a process there is a set
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that there is a process there is a set
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that there is a process there is a set scope so this is this is like all the
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scope so this is this is like all the
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scope so this is this is like all the knowledge which uh is needed for these
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knowledge which uh is needed for these
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knowledge which uh is needed for these guys to do uh you know to learn about it
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guys to do uh you know to learn about it
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guys to do uh you know to learn about it now let's talk about the main distinct
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now let's talk about the main distinct
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now let's talk about the main distinct you know differences between when we say
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you know differences between when we say
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you know differences between when we say one is a cyber criminal or other is a
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one is a cyber criminal or other is a
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one is a cyber criminal or other is a ethical hacker so cyber criminals do not
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ethical hacker so cyber criminals do not
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ethical hacker so cyber criminals do not um pay attention to the law they just
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um pay attention to the law they just
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um pay attention to the law they just find a weakness they exploit it and they
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find a weakness they exploit it and they
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find a weakness they exploit it and they ethical hackers do find the weakness but
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ethical hackers do find the weakness but
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ethical hackers do find the weakness but they find the weakness within the
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they find the weakness within the
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they find the weakness within the scope so if company says this is my
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scope so if company says this is my
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scope so if company says this is my application you your scope of
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application you your scope of
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application you your scope of penetration testing is just the login
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penetration testing is just the login
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penetration testing is just the login procedure of
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procedure of
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procedure of this so the responsibility of ethical
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this so the responsibility of ethical
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this so the responsibility of ethical hacker or the pest is just to find the
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hacker or the pest is just to find the
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hacker or the pest is just to find the weakness within that set scope not
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weakness within that set scope not
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weakness within that set scope not anything
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anything
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anything else but if they say okay this is the
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else but if they say okay this is the
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else but if they say okay this is the application do a vpt do a you know ption
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application do a vpt do a you know ption
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application do a vpt do a you know ption testing so they they can exploit the
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testing so they they can exploit the
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testing so they they can exploit the application by all possible means
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application by all possible means
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application by all possible means starting from the uh Hardware uh
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starting from the uh Hardware uh
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starting from the uh Hardware uh operating system um applications code uh
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operating system um applications code uh
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operating system um applications code uh dependencies um you know all the
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dependencies um you know all the
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dependencies um you know all the libraries being used access uh to to the
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libraries being used access uh to to the
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libraries being used access uh to to the system Network what other services are
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system Network what other services are
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system Network what other services are running what not so they will do
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running what not so they will do
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running what not so they will do all uh possible attacks so so the first
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all uh possible attacks so so the first
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all uh possible attacks so so the first major difference is between the
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major difference is between the
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major difference is between the following no law but following the law
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following no law but following the law
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following no law but following the law you are approved person to test that
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you are approved person to test that
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you are approved person to test that system okay they might be using the same
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system okay they might be using the same
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system okay they might be using the same set of tools but the right hand guy like
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set of tools but the right hand guy like
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set of tools but the right hand guy like the ethical hacker is the good
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the ethical hacker is the good
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the ethical hacker is the good guy uh then what is the
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guy uh then what is the
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guy uh then what is the motivation so as I said cyber criminal
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motivation so as I said cyber criminal
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motivation so as I said cyber criminal can have different set of motivations
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can have different set of motivations
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can have different set of motivations lots of motivations money reputation
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lots of motivations money reputation
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lots of motivations money reputation business loss to someone uh National
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business loss to someone uh National
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business loss to someone uh National Security or
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Security or
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Security or something uh the good ethical hackers
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something uh the good ethical hackers
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something uh the good ethical hackers have motivation to secure the system to
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have motivation to secure the system to
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have motivation to secure the system to find the vulnerability so that it can be
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find the vulnerability so that it can be
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find the vulnerability so that it can be remediated
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immediately and as I said Inc corporate
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immediately and as I said Inc corporate
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immediately and as I said Inc corporate things move very slowly you cannot even
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things move very slowly you cannot even
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things move very slowly you cannot even patch the system immediately if you have
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patch the system immediately if you have
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patch the system immediately if you have some uh critical patch available because
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some uh critical patch available because
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some uh critical patch available because you don't have just one system to
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you don't have just one system to
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you don't have just one system to patch and if this patch gets released
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patch and if this patch gets released
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patch and if this patch gets released Say by midnight 2
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Say by midnight 2
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Say by midnight 2 a.m. then and you you are running very
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a.m. then and you you are running very
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a.m. then and you you are running very thin on the team size in the office you
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thin on the team size in the office you
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thin on the team size in the office you don't have support team to do the
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don't have support team to do the
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don't have support team to do the patching they will come next morning so
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patching they will come next morning so
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patching they will come next morning so what will you do so there are obviously
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what will you do so there are obviously
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what will you do so there are obviously there are some processes but but this is
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there are some processes but but this is
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there are some processes but but this is the life situations I'm giving you you
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the life situations I'm giving you you
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the life situations I'm giving you you know Food For Thought So as a if you are
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know Food For Thought So as a if you are
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know Food For Thought So as a if you are uh as a you know new entrant into the
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uh as a you know new entrant into the
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uh as a you know new entrant into the cyber security field you want to make a
19:51
cyber security field you want to make a
19:51
cyber security field you want to make a career into that you
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career into that you
19:54
career into that you should go through our episode you should
19:56
should go through our episode you should
19:56
should go through our episode you should contact us we are bringing a very
19:59
contact us we are bringing a very
19:59
contact us we are bringing a very uh you know holistic cyber security
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uh you know holistic cyber security
20:01
uh you know holistic cyber security professional
20:02
professional
20:02
professional training near to you and uh so reach out
20:08
training near to you and uh so reach out
20:08
training near to you and uh so reach out to your C TV local uh Ambassador or MVP
20:12
to your C TV local uh Ambassador or MVP
20:12
to your C TV local uh Ambassador or MVP or the direct C TV organizes but the
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or the direct C TV organizes but the
20:16
or the direct C TV organizes but the thing is this knowledge is very much
20:20
thing is this knowledge is very much
20:20
thing is this knowledge is very much needed you cannot just uh do certain or
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needed you cannot just uh do certain or
20:25
needed you cannot just uh do certain or pick a career uh blindly you should
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pick a career uh blindly you should
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pick a career uh blindly you should think about all the aspects and cyber
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think about all the aspects and cyber
20:31
think about all the aspects and cyber security is a very uh hot career domain
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security is a very uh hot career domain
20:36
security is a very uh hot career domain Niche career domain and it is here to
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Niche career domain and it is here to
20:40
Niche career domain and it is here to stay in next uh few episodes we'll talk
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stay in next uh few episodes we'll talk
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stay in next uh few episodes we'll talk about what are the other career options
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about what are the other career options
20:46
about what are the other career options which are like very evolving
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which are like very evolving
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which are like very evolving AI uh iot
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AI uh iot
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AI uh iot whatnot so after the motivation um let's
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whatnot so after the motivation um let's
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whatnot so after the motivation um let's talk about the Cyber criminals what what
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talk about the Cyber criminals what what
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talk about the Cyber criminals what what is their basic education
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is their basic education
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is their basic education so they are often School dropouts
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so they are often School dropouts
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so they are often School dropouts College drop offs they just have one
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College drop offs they just have one
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College drop offs they just have one purpose
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purpose
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purpose to practice one platform practice one
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to practice one platform practice one
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to practice one platform practice one script all day
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script all day
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script all day long but the normal pentesters in
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long but the normal pentesters in
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long but the normal pentesters in corporate they have different duties
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corporate they have different duties
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corporate they have different duties they do so they need to protect the
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they do so they need to protect the
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they do so they need to protect the system at all cost and they need to
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system at all cost and they need to
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system at all cost and they need to break the system to sustain in their
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break the system to sustain in their
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break the system to sustain in their livelihood or do whatsoever their gang
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livelihood or do whatsoever their gang
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livelihood or do whatsoever their gang says so they both are you know
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says so they both are you know
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says so they both are you know uh focused on their goals but the good
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uh focused on their goals but the good
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uh focused on their goals but the good guy should always win even if the good
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guy should always win even if the good
21:44
guy should always win even if the good guy wins at 99 times and this guy wins
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guy wins at 99 times and this guy wins
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guy wins at 99 times and this guy wins at one time there will be a breach then
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at one time there will be a breach then
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at one time there will be a breach then good guys need to make sure that even
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good guys need to make sure that even
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good guys need to make sure that even the system was broken no damage should
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the system was broken no damage should
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the system was broken no damage should be done so so there are other uh aspects
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be done so so there are other uh aspects
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be done so so there are other uh aspects how do you secure it even if the system
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how do you secure it even if the system
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how do you secure it even if the system is broken the attacker is inside that
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is broken the attacker is inside that
22:07
is broken the attacker is inside that but how do you stop them from
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but how do you stop them from
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but how do you stop them from propagating to other
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propagating to other
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propagating to other systems
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systems
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systems so this is this is what and then uh uh I
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so this is this is what and then uh uh I
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so this is this is what and then uh uh I think there could be a breed of
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think there could be a breed of
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think there could be a breed of different uh type of uh uh attackers so
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different uh type of uh uh attackers so
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different uh type of uh uh attackers so for
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for
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for example uh
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example uh
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example uh there are blackhead hackers so blackhead
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there are blackhead hackers so blackhead
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there are blackhead hackers so blackhead basically are the Cyber criminals as I
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basically are the Cyber criminals as I
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basically are the Cyber criminals as I said then there are widad hackers it's
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said then there are widad hackers it's
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said then there are widad hackers it's is ethical hacker or you know pester who
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is ethical hacker or you know pester who
22:43
is ethical hacker or you know pester who is doing good good guy then there could
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is doing good good guy then there could
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is doing good good guy then there could be gray hat hackers so gray hat is like
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be gray hat hackers so gray hat is like
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be gray hat hackers so gray hat is like something which is in between sometimes
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something which is in between sometimes
22:55
something which is in between sometimes they are you know black sometimes they
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they are you know black sometimes they
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they are you know black sometimes they are wide but they are the Shady
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are wide but they are the Shady
23:02
are wide but they are the Shady characters so but still there are
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characters so but still there are
23:05
characters so but still there are agencies there are people who use their
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agencies there are people who use their
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agencies there are people who use their services because at times but they are
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services because at times but they are
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services because at times but they are not
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not
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not trustable that's it they get the job
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trustable that's it they get the job
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trustable that's it they get the job done but they're not trustable so so I
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done but they're not trustable so so I
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done but they're not trustable so so I treat them as a criminal so every every
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treat them as a criminal so every every
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treat them as a criminal so every every grade black everything is
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grade black everything is
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grade black everything is Criminal then there are
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Criminal then there are
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Criminal then there are new fresh entrance into cyber security
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new fresh entrance into cyber security
23:33
new fresh entrance into cyber security crime field we call them script
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crime field we call them script
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crime field we call them script kiddies so they are unskilled and they
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kiddies so they are unskilled and they
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kiddies so they are unskilled and they just use pre-made tools and scripts to
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just use pre-made tools and scripts to
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just use pre-made tools and scripts to exploit normal things in the system
23:47
exploit normal things in the system
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exploit normal things in the system whatever like for example there's a uh
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whatever like for example there's a uh
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whatever like for example there's a uh script to uh find X number of
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script to uh find X number of
23:54
script to uh find X number of vulnerabilities in a web app you run it
23:58
vulnerabilities in a web app you run it
23:58
vulnerabilities in a web app you run it and it will give you the normal
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and it will give you the normal
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and it will give you the normal vulnerabilities so we call them script
24:03
vulnerabilities so we call them script
24:03
vulnerabilities so we call them script kitties then there
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kitties then there
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kitties then there are uh activists so activists are like
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are uh activists so activists are like
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are uh activists so activists are like who have particular agenda to uh hack
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who have particular agenda to uh hack
24:16
who have particular agenda to uh hack other
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other
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other systems
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systems
24:19
systems so these agenda holders or they have
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so these agenda holders or they have
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so these agenda holders or they have some ideology they work across the
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some ideology they work across the
24:25
some ideology they work across the planet they work onerain ideologies and
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planet they work onerain ideologies and
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planet they work onerain ideologies and that is why they
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that is why they
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that is why they hack then there are state sponsored
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hack then there are state sponsored
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hack then there are state sponsored hackers so uh some countries or maybe
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hackers so uh some countries or maybe
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hackers so uh some countries or maybe all countries or maybe no country have
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all countries or maybe no country have
24:40
all countries or maybe no country have uh these uh specific hackers which are
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uh these uh specific hackers which are
24:45
uh these uh specific hackers which are not related to government directly but
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not related to government directly but
24:48
not related to government directly but they carry out the operations for
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they carry out the operations for
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they carry out the operations for them
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them
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them so uh this is this is what and uh I'll
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so uh this is this is what and uh I'll
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so uh this is this is what and uh I'll tell you
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tell you
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tell you I have written uh given a session and
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I have written uh given a session and
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I have written uh given a session and written A Book Like U 20 15 20 years
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written A Book Like U 20 15 20 years
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written A Book Like U 20 15 20 years back it was like uh the crime at the
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back it was like uh the crime at the
25:10
back it was like uh the crime at the click of mouse so what happens is uh
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click of mouse so what happens is uh
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click of mouse so what happens is uh when you are on computer you commit a
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when you are on computer you commit a
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when you are on computer you commit a crime you never get to know you don't
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crime you never get to know you don't
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crime you never get to know you don't get a feel that you you have committed a
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get a feel that you you have committed a
25:21
get a feel that you you have committed a crime so shoulder surfing it's like
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crime so shoulder surfing it's like
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crime so shoulder surfing it's like watching others password from
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watching others password from
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watching others password from uh like our kids do at home they know
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uh like our kids do at home they know
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uh like our kids do at home they know the Wi-Fi password they know our phone
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the Wi-Fi password they know our phone
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the Wi-Fi password they know our phone password so it's a
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password so it's a
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password so it's a crime so the difference between the
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crime so the difference between the
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crime so the difference between the crime and being lawful is a very subtle
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crime and being lawful is a very subtle
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crime and being lawful is a very subtle difference at times and we must be uh
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difference at times and we must be uh
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difference at times and we must be uh aware of the facts that when we become
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aware of the facts that when we become
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aware of the facts that when we become cyber
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cyber
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cyber criminal
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criminal
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criminal so if I see for example someone
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so if I see for example someone
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so if I see for example someone accidentally sends me data in email okay
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accidentally sends me data in email okay
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accidentally sends me data in email okay which is like salary data or something
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which is like salary data or something
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which is like salary data or something and I if I'm not intended to read it I
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and I if I'm not intended to read it I
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and I if I'm not intended to read it I should delete it I should notify them
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should delete it I should notify them
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should delete it I should notify them that you accidentally sent it to me but
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that you accidentally sent it to me but
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that you accidentally sent it to me but it is not for
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it is not for
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it is not for me so for example a few days back my
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me so for example a few days back my
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me so for example a few days back my insurance agent who was chatting with me
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insurance agent who was chatting with me
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insurance agent who was chatting with me on the WhatsApp she was supposed to send
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on the WhatsApp she was supposed to send
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on the WhatsApp she was supposed to send me some file and she send me the Excel
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me some file and she send me the Excel
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me some file and she send me the Excel files like all the sales she made during
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files like all the sales she made during
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files like all the sales she made during this month and it you know uh the file
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this month and it you know uh the file
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this month and it you know uh the file name was like uh Jan sales blah blah
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name was like uh Jan sales blah blah
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name was like uh Jan sales blah blah blah something so I just said was this
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blah something so I just said was this
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blah something so I just said was this supposed to be sent to me she said no I
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supposed to be sent to me she said no I
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supposed to be sent to me she said no I said then why did you send it she said
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said then why did you send it she said
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said then why did you send it she said if you have downloaded please delete it
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if you have downloaded please delete it
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if you have downloaded please delete it I said I didn't
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I said I didn't
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I said I didn't so they that's the legal way of doing
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so they that's the legal way of doing
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so they that's the legal way of doing this that's the good good guy in you
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this that's the good good guy in you
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this that's the good good guy in you which should always win and uh the Cyber
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which should always win and uh the Cyber
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which should always win and uh the Cyber criminals on the other hand it's it's uh
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criminals on the other hand it's it's uh
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criminals on the other hand it's it's uh like different uh ball game Al together
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like different uh ball game Al together
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like different uh ball game Al together so if you are a learner if you are a
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so if you are a learner if you are a
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so if you are a learner if you are a fresh graduate if you are working and
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fresh graduate if you are working and
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fresh graduate if you are working and you want to switch to the cyber
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you want to switch to the cyber
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you want to switch to the cyber security uh ethical hacking is a very
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security uh ethical hacking is a very
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security uh ethical hacking is a very very good field good place to be but
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very good field good place to be but
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very good field good place to be but what this whole ethical hacking
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what this whole ethical hacking
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what this whole ethical hacking means it you need to know compliances
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means it you need to know compliances
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means it you need to know compliances you need to know professional skills you
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you need to know professional skills you
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you need to know professional skills you need to know how to report you need to
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need to know how to report you need to
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need to know how to report you need to know how to speak your findings to
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know how to speak your findings to
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know how to speak your findings to cxos so then you should join our
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cxos so then you should join our
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cxos so then you should join our training which we are bringing very soon
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training which we are bringing very soon
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training which we are bringing very soon I think that's it and if you have anyone
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I think that's it and if you have anyone
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I think that's it and if you have anyone has some question most welcome I'm
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has some question most welcome I'm
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has some question most welcome I'm looking at the comments
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uh thanks
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uh thanks
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uh thanks Jes
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Jes
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Jes so uh even if you have questions later
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so uh even if you have questions later
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so uh even if you have questions later on like I know that um this is odd time
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on like I know that um this is odd time
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on like I know that um this is odd time for certain countries so if you are
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for certain countries so if you are
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for certain countries so if you are watching from them and you watch later
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watching from them and you watch later
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watching from them and you watch later you can always ping me and uh you can
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you can always ping me and uh you can
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you can always ping me and uh you can send your questions queries to us and we
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send your questions queries to us and we
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send your questions queries to us and we would be able to happy to answer that or
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would be able to happy to answer that or
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would be able to happy to answer that or cover them in the next next episode and
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cover them in the next next episode and
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cover them in the next next episode and uh so that's all for the day I think you
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uh so that's all for the day I think you
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uh so that's all for the day I think you now understood what is the main
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now understood what is the main
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now understood what is the main difference between cyber criminal or
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difference between cyber criminal or
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difference between cyber criminal or being ethical hacker and for being a
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being ethical hacker and for being a
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being ethical hacker and for being a ethical hacker you need a good Mentor
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ethical hacker you need a good Mentor
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ethical hacker you need a good Mentor good coach to tell you the what are the
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good coach to tell you the what are the
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good coach to tell you the what are the different aspects of it and we are very
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different aspects of it and we are very
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different aspects of it and we are very good at it I promise you and then uh so
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good at it I promise you and then uh so
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good at it I promise you and then uh so just stay tuned we are launching our uh
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just stay tuned we are launching our uh
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just stay tuned we are launching our uh this training pretty soon
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this training pretty soon
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this training pretty soon thank you have a nice weekend and see
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thank you have a nice weekend and see
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thank you have a nice weekend and see you next Saturday
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you next Saturday
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you next Saturday [Music]
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