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visit us at csharpcorner.com. Good morning and welcome to another episode of Growth Mindset show live here on C-Sharp Corner
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My name is Mahesh Chan. I'm the founder of C-Sharp Corner. If you are joining us back from
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previous episodes, welcome back to the show. If you're joining us first time
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welcome to the show as some of you may already know from either our social media or our direct
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channel accounts this show is every every friday noon eastern time u.s eastern time
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and it's about i think it's 9 30 in india if you're joining us from india that's we get a lot
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of our audience from i'm sure europe is sometime it's uh little early it's in the evening so good
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morning, good evening, good afternoon and yeah, welcome to the show. On this show we talk about
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different things. Usually we talk about growth mindset and we were you know running a series on
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build better software but what is happening in India during this COVID pandemic, we have changed
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the topic for at least next few weeks until the COVID situation is under control. So we are going
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to talk about you know COVID, how people are helping, how we can all help collectively
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what can be done and how we can bring more awareness to the to the you know our audience
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and that's really this is all about right now it's more about urgency. It's not about
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just watching and being a cheerleader on the side it's more about actively participating
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and safely participating actually not just actively participating today we are going to
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bring a lot of guests during the show we are going to also talk about in hindi as well
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so i'll try my hindi i have not talked in hindi for a long time so um and if you if you are
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watching us um everybody you know looks like a lot of people joining us hello everyone if you're
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watching us, you want to participate, you want to come direct on the show live
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behind the scene, please ask Simon. He's our producer and behind the scene person
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he led you in. Today's open, this show is open today. We also have Alan on the
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show guest, Alan O'Neill. I'm sure many of you already know Alan. He's our
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advisor on C-sharp Corner. He's also Microsoft Regional Director, CTO of his
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own in data bytes and other many other things. So let's get started. I'm here in Philadelphia
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It's nice weather these days. Weather's getting nice. In the U.S. actually, the situation of COVID
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is getting better. I'm very optimistic about it. We are close to, I would say, half of the population
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has already has shots. So that's good news. The cases are going down
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Deaths are obviously going down as well. But when I see all the
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news and stories coming from India, it's just bad. And that's what made us
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really get this more attention here. Let me bring Alan on the show
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Our guest today, friend of mine. Look at that. I should have my mask too. I think that's smart, just giving the message
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Maybe I'll go in half in. Good thing is I don't really go outside
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But hey, Alan, good morning, good afternoon to you, actually, who are joining us from Europe
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Yeah, I'm currently based in Southern Ireland right now. I know that you can't see my lips speaking except my eyes going up and down
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as you say I did this to make a point and the point is
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to make sure that we all remember that there's some critical things that we
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need to do I consider India to be my second home in fact if I wasn't
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partnered to my current lovely partner I would probably be living and resident in India
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I love it and I love my friends there my community, my engineering
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community and my wider standard Indian community. I love it. And I was especially really, really
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really, really saddened to hear the news in recent weeks come out of India, how things have gotten so
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bad. And this is why we started talking among the leadership in C Sharp Corner and said, we need to
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talk about this and we need to talk about how we can harness our community, our community of
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amazing people, amazing engineers, IT professionals, IT support folk, everybody who's involved in our
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community both from a foreground point of view as speakers and all of the background organizers
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and most importantly the people who are out there every day doing the work and learning and sharing
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in our community? How can we bring everybody together and use this community to help us make
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a difference in our wider community? So one of the things that has always made me angry and annoyed
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about the COVID situation is people not wearing their masks. Now I know there's no need for me to
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wear it here in the room. I'm in my own, I'm in my own office in the back of the house and everybody
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here stays together in our own little bubble under vacuum If I was working in an office right now I would be and I should be wearing my mask and it not just to protect me it to protect the people around me and the way I wearing a mask right now is the way to wear a
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mask this is not the way to wear a mask yeah don't wear a mask as a chin strap that's this is not
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yeah this is not a show-off I see a lot of people like showing off even friends I know family I know
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This is not a show off. People are ignorant like I'm healthy or I already have my shots
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This is, as you said, it's not really about you. It's all about as a society
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It's all about do you really think about others? How are you helping
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Most people who are dying from COVID are the ones they are, you know, they have bad health, they're elderly or they have some underlying conditions
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So you are putting them at risk. So you are just being basically selfish in this region
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Let's not even talk about being selfish. Let's talk about practical things. So I recall a number of years ago, it was probably about 15 years ago at this stage, I was driving my car and it was reasonably late at night and it was a country road
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and I went and I turned this particular corner and it was a blind corner you couldn't see around
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the corner but I turned the corner and I was going reasonably slowly and as soon as I turned
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the corner you know the way you feel something is wrong before you even realize what it is
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yeah so it was actually a car about maybe 200 feet in front of me turned upside down
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so wow yeah what had happened was that seconds beforehand literally maybe one second beforehand
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that car had flipped um because of a particular reason not going to it and it was upside down
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and it was in my way so had i been going any faster i would have smacked into it i would have
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um hurt the people who were still in the car um and i would have you know hurt myself
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the point here that i'm going to make is i was driving safely okay i was driving within the
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limits i was doing the right thing what wasn't happening was the person who was driving the other
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car they weren't driving safely so even though you can go and you can take care of yourself
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and you've got to plan for the stupidity of others right in it and engineering and software
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where we always say never underestimate the damage that a user can do to your system, okay
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Never underestimate the stupidity that a user can bring along. And I'd like us to consider that everybody who is part of our community
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we're engineers, we're IT professionals, we're programmers, we're sysops, we are all clever people
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There's nobody here who isn't a clever person, who isn't scientifically driven, mostly because we're all in the STEM field
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We're all in the technology field and we're geeks and everything else
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So it is very important that we do a number of things
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And I've tried to boil it down to three key points. and um the first one is know the science okay we are all scientists we are all scientists in our
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community we all practice computer science technology science information science data science right and we all know that the foundation of everything is built on logic and we know that
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we do things built on the expertise of others. It has been scientifically shown that when we take
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our masks and we wear our masks, that not when we wear it like a chin strap like this with our nose
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out, but when we wear it properly, not only will it slow down the progression of molecules of air
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outwards, but also coming inwards, right? Just because I don't have COVID doesn't mean that I
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can't spread it to others. So it's not just about what comes out in the breath, it's also what's on
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the hands. So the first two key messages are, number one, wear the mask properly and encourage
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other people to wear the mask. And number two is sanitization. Because while the first spread of
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vector of the COVID germ and virus is through the breath and through water molecules from the body
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and the second one is through contact surface. So it's critically important that we keep our
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sanitizer and we wash our hands whenever we're in public and we touch something. And this just
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doesn't mean going underneath water and doing this here. It means having our sanitizer and doing it
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properly. And there's a way that we clean our hands. And this is not 100% medical, but I want
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you just to observe that I'm cleaning every surface of my hand. I take my sanitizer or I take my soap
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and water not just water soap and water and i cover every surface of my hand back and front
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along the sides okay so like you're saying oh i want all this lovely money okay the back and the
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front of all the hands inside each of your fingers so all of the surface then the tips of the fingers
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and don't forget about the thumb okay so now i've covered all surfaces of my hand now the science
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behind this is very easy to understand there's two parts when i use some sanitizer there is a minimum
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of 60 there must be a minimum of 60 alcohol um i'm pretty sure it's 60 and not 70 um 60 alcohol
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in the sanitizer. And what this does is this actually breaks apart the molecule of the virus
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okay, thereby making it inactive. It is not able to use these awful spikes that it has
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to grab on to other elements in the human body, right, to attach the virus. So we break apart
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the wrapper of the virus using alcohol. The second thing that we do is when we use soap and water
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it's not water that does it, it's soap. Soap actually breaks down the skin around the virus
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also. It breaks down the outer shell and will wash it off your hand like a detergent, right
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So it makes it slippy and it makes it fall away. So we can use the alcohol just to kill the shell
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It may stay on our hands, but it's now destroyed. But we can use more effectively soap with water to help us to break the molecule and to wash it off our hands because that acts like a slippery surface Okay So the two things to know from science are we reduce the spread of it
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by ensuring that our breath is protected from sending out to others
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and receiving in from others. And secondly, ensuring that our hands are clean at all times
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especially when we're out in the open. we're okay when we're inside so long as they're within our bubble but outside it's critically
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important to keep our hands clean and washed so they did two things the first two things
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so first i'm sure you guys learned first two things welcome richwan rohit satya
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sarves your choice and uh jh preeti uh welcome to the show today we are talking about on the show
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today we're talking about COVID, what's going on in India, how we can get involved, help, what we
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can do first ourselves, protect ourselves and then protect others and then we can even reach out to
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others. Please feel free to everybody, join in, post your comments, we want to hear from you
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more from you, what you're doing in your community, what have you done, what have you seen
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what people are not doing, what messages we should give here or what awareness we can bring
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And today, Ellen just explained two very important things. Wear a mask
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It's not a show-off mask. Wear it properly, right? Cover your nose
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Cover your mask should be big enough. So if you're breathing in public with other people, make sure it covers the whole area
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And also properly use sanitizers and soap and wash your hands properly
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and it's not really about you know you sure most of us are you know healthy young um you know
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and uh you know probably won't get this you know covid or we will get we may not even feel it but
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it's all about thinking about others and that's what makes it all human is you know the difference
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between animal and human is that human are more they have a brain the brain is very smart right
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can think of a lot more things besides the robot just themselves right animal has limitation animal
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can only think about themselves their families that's about it and how to protect and feed but
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as a human we have the smart intelligent brain we can think about a lot more things and that's what
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this community makes it special because we are you are everybody here is very smart and we are
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capable of helping others as well not just ourselves um so yeah go ahead so alan just
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talked about first two things let's talk about your three things and then i want to bring some
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other topics uh we're also going to bring some guests so if you just you know record from covid
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how you feel or you're somebody's already you know going through it we want to bring you on the show
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and also talk about the situation in india and why they're growing and i think i have my opinion
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I got some data also on that. So we'll continue talking about these things. Just jump in. Please chime in, post your comments, ask your questions
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The next thing I want to talk about the science is about the vaccine
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Right. And I want to address one particular thing about the vaccine
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The vaccine is not some conspiracy by Bill Gates. It's not a conspiracy by the World Bank
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It's not some kind of thing from Elon Musk that's going to put an AI bot in your bloodstream
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right? It's a very clever piece of science and it has been designed by incredibly clever people
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to help us stay alive. And it doesn't make you sick, okay? It won't make you die, okay? It will
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help you. It will help your community around you. It will help your mom, your dad, your sisters
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your brothers, your granddad, your grandfather, your uncles, your aunts. It will help everybody
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I received my first injection yesterday of the Pfizer vaccine, and I got it in this arm here
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And the nurse gave it to me, and she said, here's a little scratch, which they always say when you're getting an injection, right
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It actually was just a little scratch. I didn't even, I said, oh, is that it
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And she said, yeah. Like, if she went and slapped my face, that would have hurt more
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OK, so it was it was nothing. That's the first thing. The second thing is I'm asking to bring me in a mask here because I want to show the correct use of one
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And the second thing is, how do you feel after you get the vaccine
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Well, I felt fine after it. Some people feel some mild form of flu or cold like symptoms
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So they might get a mild headache for a day or two. They might have a small head cold or feel very tired or something like this. But that's normal because what happens when you get a vaccine is you are given a mild, mild, mild, mild, tiny, tiny, tiny micro dose of the actual thing itself
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OK. And the idea is, is that rather being rather than being attacked with the huge full virus, they give you the tiniest, tiniest piece of it so that your body can build up immunity to this
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OK. And that's the key is that your body says, oh, we don't know what this is
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We're going to attack this and we're going to learn how to fight it so that if you come into contact with it again, suddenly, bang, it knows how to cope with it
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And the efficacy, the effectiveness of the vaccine is incredibly high. It is over 95%. That's the first thing is that it prevents you over 95% of actually getting COVID after that
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The second thing is even more important. It is 100% effective that even if you do get it, you will not die from it. Okay? If we look at all of the people who are dying in this world right now because of COVID, this can be prevented by taking the vaccine
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Now, somebody has asked a really good question or made a statement in the comments saying they won't take the vaccine because they think they are strong enough and they have good immunity
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So let me tell you, right now, the most vulnerable people are at both ends of the spectrum
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They are the older people. And guess what? they're the younger people who think they are fit and healthy and immune it has been shown that there
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are more deaths in the under 30s right now than there are in those middle group people
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right in addition if you go out and you think that you're strong and you're healthy and you're
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going to get everything and you won't get good immunity and you won't you won't get it and and
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because of this you going around and you being more careless and reckless that is stupid Yes you can trust the Chinese vaccine Yes you can trust the Russian vaccine You can trust all of the vaccines because every single
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one of the vaccines has been authorized by the WHO, the World Health Organization
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and they will not allow these to be sold and used in public. Yes, absolutely, you can trust
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the Chinese vaccine. Now, I will have my next vaccine booster in four weeks time. And I will
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tell everybody how I got on after this and how I got on in the intermediate time. I want to jump
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back to masks for one second. My partner, Una, kindly brought me in one of these. This is the
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standard mask that we see around. And we see this on television, especially down in India, people
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using this it's very important that we wear this in the correct way the correct way is not like this
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that's the first thing okay the correct way also is not like this it is also not like this
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and it is certainly um not like this okay because you look stupid now um no I was being
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facetious what i want to point out about this is um there's two sides actually to these masks and
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an up and down if you look carefully you can see there is a blue side on the front there is a white
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side on the back do you see that blue side yeah white side okay the blue side goes to the front
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the second thing is is that there is a piece of wire at the top of the mask okay it's not at the
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bottom of the mask yes it's at the top of the mask right and what's meant to happen is you're not
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meant to just put it on your face like this and that's it you're meant to mold it to the shape
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of your face. So first of all, you can hold it at the top and at the bottom, you pull it. What's
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happening? Look, it's like this accordion player music device, like a music player box. I pull it
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down, you see, and it opens up to fill my face. That's the first thing. It's coming under my chin
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The second thing is that there's now a gap in here and there's a gap at the side. So what I
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should be doing now is I should be pinching the wire over my nose like this. Now look at the
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difference. I know I look a bit silly, but that doesn't matter. I'm safe. The difference is that
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this is pushed in by my nose, so there is no gap in here. There's no gap at the side, and it's pulled
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down fully underneath my chin, okay? So this is how we wear it. So again, to go over it with the blue
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mask you do not you wear it with the white side in and the blue side out and when you put it onto
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your face you make sure that you pinch the top wire so that it forms over your nose a good seal
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and you pull the bottom part underneath your chin okay yeah so that's the blue mask which everybody
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is most common with um i think wrote it rohit there mahesh has a a good story to tell um and
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also uh vina is talking about um the moderna vaccine so he's saying that um he took the first
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and the second dose and he's doing great and it's been two weeks before he has this since he's had
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the second dose. Congratulations. I had my first Moderna, second I get on May 12th
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Let's talk about this issue right and this is really in India, one of the thing is this weddings
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right uh and i know my personal family where you know i just talked to my uncle today this morning
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and he's engineer he has covid right now as we speak uh no we got only first vaccine first
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first dose um but my auntie and son they are going to wedding
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so that's not the one case i have my friends they're like going to you know maybe not now
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but week before they were like partying in a in a they are like in a bar or I see in villages
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everybody's still in India doing the weddings okay I talked to a friend he works in and you know
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I know it's like why are you doing wedding right now it's like well my brother is getting
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engaged so I'm going there and then in I don't know certain part of the India especially where
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I live in UP, there's still elections going on. And elections are going on in villages now
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And these elections mean nothing really. They're like local elections. They can wait three months, six months
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So now this COVID is now spreading in villages that was safer in earlier phase
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And that was the big part of India where people don't have resources
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They don't have doctors. They don't have medicine. They don't even have anything. So what the hell is going on there
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that's what I want to hear from people, like more people just jump in from local stages
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You can come and talk in Hindi also. I just don't understand why the elections are going on
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why government is not kind of banning these weddings and mass gatherings
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That seems to be like a failure from the government. So one of the things, just to talk to the, you know
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the wedding. Obviously, weddings, social gatherings, religious meetings, funerals. I would say a close family friend of ours, their son died in tragic circumstances recently
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He was only a very, very young man. He was in the army. He was extremely fit
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And he unfortunately had one of those very rare heart attacks that young people sometimes have
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It's an anomaly of the cardiac system that happens once in a million
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And it was just a sudden cardiac death. You know, the thing is, is that it was obviously incredibly tragic for him as a young man, his friends, his fiance, they were due to get married shortly afterwards
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And of course, for his parents and his family. But here's the thing. In normal times, in normal times, all of his friends and family, the friends and family of the people who are left behind, they would have come and they would have brought food and they would have brought their sympathies and they would have spent time and everything else
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They would have gone to the religious ceremonies. They would have stayed and prayed and everything else. They couldn't do it this time
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and out of respect not only for the young man who died and his family, but for the wider community
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They stayed away because it was the right thing to do, because they knew the science
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and they knew that just by going along to this, yes, a sadness of the young person dying
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but also a celebration of their life. They were going to raise the possibility of spreading this virus
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And it is so important, it is so important to abide by the rules
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The rules are there for a reason, you know. and Rohit there says that he has seen people and are seeing people die from COVID
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but the issue is that they only become cautious after they see people die from it
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and this is very true that we think that it's not going to happen to us right
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we think that we're invincible we'll never die our parents will never die
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our beloved grandma will never die well the thing is they do and what i want you to imagine
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and i know that a lot of time i'm i'm you know all funny and everything else and trying to be
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jovial i'm really trying to be serious about this now i really am right i want you to think
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how you are responsible for somebody else's um parent grandparent mother father daughter lover
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son, whatever, you are responsible for them dying by not wearing your mask, by mingling and going out
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where you shouldn't, where you've been told and people have pleaded with you not to. You're
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responsible for this. It is on you. It is on your shoulders. And if you see your mom, your brother
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your uncle, your colleague, your best friend, any of these people getting it, becoming incredibly ill
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and dying right um suddenly it brings this message home to you we shouldn't have to have somebody
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close to us die before we understand the message we are important uh people in the community we are
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leaders in the community we are intelligent we are engineers we are scientists we should take
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the science we should believe the science we should spread the word about the science
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we should make sure that people understand this and the second thing that i wanted to spread the
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first thing was to um know the science and to um share the science the second thing i wanted to say
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to people is to please be practical and generous with your resources and this means that if there
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is something that you know how to do that you can help somebody else with that will ease the burden
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of this COVID pandemic please do it so for example one of the things that we'll be talking about in
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future shows and I'm looking around my desk here it will relate to this here this is I know it looks
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like an old film rig but actually what it is is it is 3D um printing filament okay so in a later
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show we're going to talk about how um any of our community who have 3D printers and you can see one
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over here behind me in the background in my dirty workshop my unclean untidy workshop
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and we're going to talk about in a future show in the next couple of days how any of our friends
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and colleagues in the community who have a 3D printer can use that to help their local community
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because we can print out devices we can print out lung machines we can print out
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lasers to help doctors take temperature we can print out full face masks there's many things we
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can do with these and we need to help people okay so we're going to be able to doing this we also
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have um hash do you want to talk about a donation link that's going up there at the moment yeah so
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i want to talk about the i want to continue this topic right how can you help are you really
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helping right um we are in our different capacities can help different ways right i want to spend i
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want to spend some time how people are helping others like how are you helping your neighbor
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they need and you brought the good point earlier Alan this week is what we can do as a you know as
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either neighbor or friend or even co-worker how can we really help means taking the actions not
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just talking about and I'll give you an example we are promoting a donation link on you know c
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sharp corner my personal account and all that there's so many people are liking it this this
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I just hate this stupidity of social media and liking things. Like people think like I'm because I'm liking it
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I'm done with my job. That means nothing. That's useless. You're wasting everybody's time
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If you're liking my thing, great. I'm your friend. But guess what
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You're not helping anybody. This is the time to take an action
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I would rather have zero likes and five donations than million likes and zero donations
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Okay. I see all the people they're liking and all that but there's no donations what am I going to do with
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likes this Facebook and all these social media have spoiled our mind that once I like something
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I'm done with my job okay so if you are one of those guys and I'm going to call all of you
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if you just go and like the things I don't care okay I want to see some action you don't have to
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tell me you know there are also people you know it's just do something if you're already doing
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that's awesome thank you so much you don't have to really publicly announce it or participate here
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but see how you can help number one start with yourself that don't spread right don't become
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the spreader right so make sure what Ellen just said how are you wearing mask is it mask is wearing
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right way are you using hand sanitizers then are you also telling your friends and family to follow
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the rules sometimes you may have to be strict listen I know my dad if I tell him something he
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lives in village he's not going to listen to me but put your foot down maybe you want to be more
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strict that like listen if you're going outside don't spread bring this to our children or kind
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of figure out what they would listen to okay some people are just they just don't think about
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themselves they think they are invincible like you know somebody just posted here they think they
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are like you know healthy and immune and all that nonsense but guess what you have to put your foot
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down not just because of them or you but because of maybe your children or they may go spread it
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somewhere that's number one you can do number two you can do is if you have really you have a good
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job you are willing you have just a few dollars you can donate go ahead and donate and i want to
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about donation here if you are you know if you believe in you know giving back and down and all that There are three kind of donations right One is donation is where you give unknown nobody knows about
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That's probably the best donation. Second is you obviously give somebody, help somebody and talk about it
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Then third one is, okay, you take a picture with some poor guy posting on social media
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how good you are doing. Don't do that last one. Okay. If any of you have read Gita, Gita says if you are doing a donation or daan for a reason of getting something in return or making fun of people or trying to post on social media saying how cool you are, that kind of daan is just useless and you'll get nothing in return from that
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So you got to be mindful of that. How are you helping people
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You know, you don't just be arrogant about it. Don't post on social media. Look, I'm giving food to that many people
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So, I mean, great, you're doing it, but it doesn't make sense
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I just don't like that part of it. So think about what are you doing right now
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Anything else, Alan, maybe you want to add here? And anybody, let's bring some of our guests, what they are doing or how they can help
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and they can share their stories after that. The first thing is, don't say to yourself, I can do nothing
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Everybody can do something, okay? Everybody can do something. You can, the most important thing you can do is spread your knowledge, spread the truth about masks, spread the truth about vaccines, spread the truth about washing hands, right
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Disease is stopped in its tracks when we keep things clean. This is what Florence Nightegale found
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She was our very first data scientist, our first proper medical engineer, okay
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So Florence Nightingale said, wash, wash, wash, wash, wash, and the germs will go away
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This is what we need to do. Now, from the point of view of helping out, we will be giving more practical examples over the coming time and the coming shows
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For today, the thing is to ask yourself, what can I do
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What can I do locally to help out? So if we simply consider something like, is there somebody in our local community who is less able than I am? Is there somebody who is elderly who maybe hasn't got family locally because they all live in a different city
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Do we know that there is somebody who is homeless nearby? Do we know that there is an organization that normally depends on volunteers nearby
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right um can we bring them some food can we help them out by saying um uh can i man your emails for
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a day can i uh help you out by getting if it's a somebody who is maybe immobile or is at high risk
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of covid uh maybe somebody who is all um already sick and is isolating and maybe you can say to
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them, hey, I can help by doing your grocery shopping. So I know that you're isolated. I know
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that we have to keep you in quarantine. I'm not going to touch you. I'm not going to go near you
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But what I can do is if you leave a note of what you want under the door or send it to me by your
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mobile phone, I can help you by going out safely. I can do some grocery shopping. I can have my
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gloves on i'll have my mask on i'll practice my social distancing and i can leave your groceries
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in the bag outside the door for you i will then you know back away and i'll phone you and i'll say
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your stuff is outside the door so you can come outside and you can safely get it maybe it's a
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case that um uh somebody um has a uh who is um uh not so well and maybe they have an underlying
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condition maybe they have diabetes maybe they have some autoimmune disease disease um but they
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still have to get on with the life of the family right so um uh maybe the kids still have to go to
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school right so could you maybe offer to bring the kids to school um so they don't have to expose
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themselves um to the public and and get the germs right and these kind of small practical things
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aren't going to cost you any money, no money. What they will cost you is one thing
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And this is the one thing that you can give to somebody
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that they cannot get themselves. And that's time, your time, right? It's the biggest thing that you can give to anybody
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because time is finite, okay? We can only spend time once. So if we can give our time to somebody
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we are helping them more than anything else, right? So if you say to yourself, I have no money to give, I have no magic 3D printer, I have, there's no point in building any apps or doing anything fancy, what can I do that is practical
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okay what can i do that's practical can you even say to a um a a local uh shelter hey i'm going to
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come down and i'm actually going to uh bring down some extra cans of dal for the day to help out the
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homeless right and we know that there is a tremendous problem um in our communities in
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India with day workers, right? And day workers who work by the day and, you know, IT people that
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were really, really lucky. Like we are so privileged. We really are. We are able to work
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with our brains. We are able to have a good salary. We can care for our families. We're paid more than
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most other jobs in our industry. We are highly sought after, you know, respected people
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respected individuals. And there's so many other people who don't have our background, maybe the
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opportunities that we had to learn, the opportunities to have these particular
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good jobs and careers that we have. And they can only make money and care for their families on a
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day-to-day basis. You know, this is the rickshaw driver, it is the person who cleans out the
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building. There's so many different people out there that are humans, just like the rest of us
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Okay. Everybody is human. But they don't have the opportunity to work remotely. Okay. You can't
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drive a rickshaw remotely unless you're a robot of some sort. Okay. So we need to help these people
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as well. And if we can't help them by, you know, saying here's money or here's a job, well, we can
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at least help by saying there's some food, you know, there's a warm blanket if it's getting cold
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at night right um if you have a job that needs to get done um and you can employ somebody that
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you wouldn't normally do do it safely well then do this right but the critical part is that you can
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help by helping others in your neighborhood who are not as well off as we are yep hey uh welcome
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Ravi to the show uh hopefully you feeling better now yeah hi Mahesh I feeling better now I have almost fully recovered I would say it has been around I think 15 days now since I got my report of COVID positive
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So I have almost, you can say that 90-95% I have recovered. I still have slight weaknesses
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So I don't sit for long hours. I usually sit for around one, one and a half hour and then I take break
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instead of earlier what i was doing that i used to like sit for 40 45 minutes and then i stand
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but now i sit for 40 45 minutes and then i sleep so well so this is a perfect example right i want
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to bring you in this perfect example you're very healthy you don't you are regular exercising you
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are you have no problems so you want to tell guys people who are watching that this covid
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is not really doesn't care if you're healthy and you know. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. If you made a
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mistake, the moment you made a mistake, you are susceptible for COVID. The mistake which I made
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was like I drove for 15 hours in whole day in spite of my tired condition. So and that
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That was the thing which kind of broke my immunity, which kind of led me getting COVID and all those things
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I was kind of infected in that long travel, that long driving because I didn't sleep for a couple of days because of some other reasons
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I was visiting my hometown and then I was coming back and I drove for continuous 15 hours
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And then the next day I got fever and all those things. but the main thing is that you don't have to like you don't have to take the symptoms lightly
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whatever you have the moment you have any symptom the moment you get a sore throat the moment you
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get a blocked nose the moment you get your first fever just talk to the doctor the moment and start
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the medication early medication and early detection is the key for recovery that's the
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only thing and the second thing is apart from medicines always drink lukewarm water and take
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steam every three times a day even if you are healthy right now even if you are healthy the best
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you can say the best defense is the best offense that is you have to take steam three times a day
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or two times a day depending upon your availability take the steam steam is the only thing which kills
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the virus. So apart from sanitization my suggestion would be the moment you come home from outside
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take a bath, take steam and get relaxed. So that's the main thing you have to drink lukewarm water
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and you have to take steam. These two are sure shot way even doctors suggest all the patients
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and rest all the medication what they are doing they are doing based on the symptoms. So if you
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have fever they give you fever medicine. If you have sore throat they give you sore throat medicine
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there is no medicine for this particular problem the only medicine or the only defense is steam
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and lukewarm water so do that and i think that will suffer if i can just jump in there and there's
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two two two other points here the other thing um ravi that i'm sure that you will agree with is
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in addition to um uh what you have said isolate yes isolate yourself isolation is there
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to have this isolate. Yeah, we have been isolated. Yeah, so I was talking to Simon this morning
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and he's not feeling well and he just got COVID negative and I was like, listen
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even your COVID negative, it doesn't make sense to you to go for another test
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Just isolate yourself and pretend like you have COVID. It's that simple
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If you have a room, just stay in your room and yeah, that's the best way to start with
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isolate isolate and take medication medication of whatever problem you have even if you are
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right now in your second wave of covid in the second mutated version of covid
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many covid tests are coming as negative my son was tested as negative me and my wife were positive
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my son was tested negative but just after three days he also got fever so we we we like we followed
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the same symptoms from him even though earlier both me and my son always since he is pretty young
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he's eight nine years old so he always remain with with his mother so i usually sleep in separate room
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where i am right now sitting so this is my kind of whole setup so i sleep in the i used to sleep
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in this room i still sleep in this room and we like kind of i isolate myself from them they remain
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in different room but even though now since all of us are covid positive so we don't wear masks at
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the home but yes we maintain distances there is very less hugging and all those things now it is
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fine because now we have kind of recovered everybody is out of danger touch wood so but
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the main thing is and we have like uh as i live in a society and in our society we have whatsapp
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group we share resources like links and everything if anybody is need of oxygen that's how I help
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other people there are people in society who call me almost every second day every third day I call
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some people whom I know that okay they are COVID positive we our society RWA daily they put a list
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of how many people have recovered how many people are still positive and we as a support society
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support each other so i think that's the way we support uh like that's the kind of donation i would
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say we are doing and we kind of make other people aware also that just right now many people have
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made business also out of it recently like bika nirwala has started this quarantine thali frankly
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speaking don't order that quarantine thali it is shit the the food is shit they are just trying to
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get the tax benefit out of it because they are just selling it as a quarantine thali but that
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food is shit and you know because we we most of the time we try to order food because the thing
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is that right now we are not that much recovered that we prepare food three times a day so most
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of the time what we do that we order out once or twice a times and earlier we used to call from
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a nearby neighbor house the food was coming from their house but now they are also sick so they uh
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we are asking for we are getting it from some other different service and all those things
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but we thought of trying out new avenues also so we thought of trying out this one that it is cheap
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it is cheaper it is affordable but don't try out that so many people are making a business out of
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it also get it from your trusted sources i would say i think you had a definitely definitely good
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point. I think one way we all can educate others is that you can share your
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hey, listen, I was young. This is real. Definitely, I want to go back
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which is the hardest thing is convince your family. That's the hardest part is nobody
52:23
listens especially your family will not listen Everybody else listens to us but your and you know us but your family heart has to convince all right simon can we bring all i think i think once once
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they once they once they see a family member they also listen so nowadays frankly speaking
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everybody is very uh afraid very uh fearful condition frankly speaking people are dying
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left right and center and we are listening so many negative news frankly speaking i have stopped my
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covid update and all those things uh the only thing which i keep is like i talk to my friends
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and we keep in the circle but i don't follow the news and all those things because so much anxiety
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is there and we are already recovering from these things these kind of negative needs keep us more
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anxious so people are listening even my family members my parents who are living in village
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they are following all the protocol they always whenever they usually they don't go outside because
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they are elderly so there are village people who are helping them out with uh the whatever needs
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they have daily needs they are helping them out but we talk to them daily in morning as well as
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evening and they take care of the this thing like my my mother was uh my mother got reaction with
53:41
covid vaccination so i don't know whether they will go for second uh second shot or not because
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she has a severe reaction with a first shot of covid vaccine but still yeah ravi said something
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really interesting there and and uh um maybe before we bring somebody else on it would be good to
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to reinforce that um ravi said that you know he lives in a society which is great um and that one
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of the things that they do is they have a whatsapp group and they talk to each other oh my god imagine
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talking to other people right so yes there was certainly a thing at the start of covid
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um where people were embarrassed about it people were being isolated and ostracized because of it
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they were being maybe um uh uh you know shunned because of it right um but actually uh one of the
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important things to do even if you can't physically help out even if you can't you know go and do
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somebody's shopping or anything else pick up the whatsapp and say how are you today how are you
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feeling okay somebody's mental health so much okay that they know other people are not turning
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away from them and that are still part of the wider family and community group that's really
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important okay so some more questions and points on there um mahesh um uh one of them again talking
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about uh feeding in what Ravi did uh Rohit is saying that um making sure that they're not the
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spreader by minimizing interaction with the outside world so this is very important is making
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sure that we isolate and we we um keep together as a group and there's another one there that
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sorry go on Ravi sorry I just wanted to yeah I just wanted to add one more thing I don't know
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whether this is an appropriate platform for this or not. But people who are there in this developed country
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they should at least push companies to make COVID patent free. So there is a lot of news that big companies are not making COVID
55:56
There are facilities who are available for creating COVID vaccines. but there is very big patent issue fighting going on
56:05
India is pushing to make COVID vaccine patent free, but US, UK, even Bill Gates said that no
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COVID vaccine shouldn't be made patent free. And like there are many people saying that it should be made free
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Right now, it's not the time to earn money. People should push large, like large vaccine company
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to make it copyright free. so that everybody can build it and all this it's it's it's interesting and there's you know
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there's big debates around that right i think one of the more interesting not more interesting one
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of the interesting things is that for example um uh one of the vaccine companies which i think is
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astrazeneca and they are producing their vaccine um at cost price they're not producing a profit on
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So where they are selling it into governance at maybe, you know, $2, it is their production cost, whereas other ones like Pfizer are selling it at $15 or $20 and they're making that $10 or $12 profit on it, right
57:10
So that's certainly one thing. Another thing that is also important about that is you're absolutely right
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People in Western countries should be pushing their government and their represented elected people to do more, not just for themselves, but for everybody else
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For example, I was telling Mahesh, the second minister in Ireland is actually, he is a first generation but of Indian descent
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And he is a medical doctor. And he has orchestrated, for example, recently for 700 of these, I never knew they existed
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it's a machine that is self-standing oxygen generator right so it doesn't need to be fed
58:07
with oxygen it will take oxygen out of the air and generate it yeah automatically so he has arranged
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for 700 of these that Ireland previously bought a year ago at the start of the thing and because
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we had such very fast very effective lockdown we now don't need them okay they're oversupply
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So he has donated these down to the Indian government, and as far as I understand, they're actually in transport right now down there
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So it's not just about, you're absolutely right, things like patents and stuff are really important, they're part of the problem
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But there's other things that Western companies can do as well, such as excess equipment for the medical hospitals and clinics that need it
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that their hoarding that are not needed should be distributed down to places that need it
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like could be India today, could be someplace in Africa tomorrow, could be someplace in the Western Sahara the following day
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It doesn't make any difference where it is. We are humans. We're on the only small little tiny planet that we know of in this huge big universe
59:18
and we should be doing everything that we can to help each other out of this terrible, terrible situation
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Absolutely, absolutely. And I think as individual, even anybody watching us, I want to go back to the gathering
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I know in cities they are smarter and it's a lockdown where you live, Ravi
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But I talk to villages. There's still elections going on. There's accounting going on
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There are weddings going on. There are still things going on. They are like, obviously, a couple of people are sick here and there
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They don't realize two weeks later they will be in the same situation
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And they're not realizing. Mahesh, to this, I would add one statement there was a very popular meme in Hindi that Hindustan is not a bad thing
1:00:07
So that is the very popular meme. YouTube is going to probably ban us
1:00:15
I'm sorry. So yeah but the thing is there are many idiots, Covid-Idiots they call it. So probably we
1:00:22
need to stay away from that and follow the basic protocol I would say. I will log off now probably
1:00:27
I'll take take rest. So okay go ahead and feel better okay enjoy us listen feel better and we
1:00:34
want to bring you back when you're a little bit healthy let's not take your so much energy. Thank
1:00:38
you so much for stopping by. Thank you Ravi. Yeah no that these are good points and I think
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everybody who joined us Alan anything you we're gonna just close it in you know very soon but I
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I think I agree with that. There's a COVID-8. A lot of them are there in every country, just not India
1:01:00
It's literally every country started with the U.S. There was no reason for hundreds of thousands of people to die in the U.S
1:01:08
Yeah, it started with the very first idiot in America. We know who that is
1:01:13
Yes exactly Yes And then we are still there Everybody is kind of following that So with that said I think let recap all the points one more time And then you know anything else in the end you want to say to everybody
1:01:28
So I think the first one is know the science. Okay. The science is, is number one, wear your mask and wear it properly
1:01:39
Okay. Number two, the second one is be practical and generous with the resources that you have
1:01:47
OK, we are a wide family and we need to embrace that wider community family
1:01:53
And the last one is help those who are less able around you
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So help those. There are many, many different ways. It doesn't have to be money. It doesn't have to be physical
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it can even be picking up the phone and saying how are you today okay and the thing is is that
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why we might even be saying that now and because we have this this terrible pandemic upon us and
1:02:18
everything else it's the type of thing we should be considering all of the time
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it's gonna be gonna become a new norm right and again exactly yeah and to add to your points
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try to convince if your family members are not following that try to put your foot down
1:02:34
and stay away from mass gatherings Either it a politics or it a party or it a birthday party sure i understand it once in a year once in a month once in lifetime wedding guess what it better to
1:02:50
not participate in that rather than listen there was my friends his father passed up a close friend
1:02:56
and i didn't go i felt bad i'm sure he felt bad but guess what it's better this way one time and
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I have to say, sorry, I couldn't come, but it's better to be this way than spreading it more
1:03:09
right? And harming other people in that. Yeah, absolutely. 100%. The most important thing
1:03:15
above all is that we stick together. We're one, we're the C-sharp corner community
1:03:24
and we have to look out for our wider community. And that includes the COVIDiots. Okay. We're the
1:03:33
smart ones, we've got to convince them why they shouldn't be COVID-iots
1:03:39
Yep. All right. With that said, everybody, thank you so much for joining us. This was a special
1:03:43
episode of Growth Mindset Focus on COVID. And I think next few weeks, we are going to focus on
1:03:49
COVID and bringing different ways to participate and help each other. And then, yeah, just hopefully
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you know thank you everybody for coming joining us All the comments were great That made us feel like somebody still listening and watching Your participation is very important to us And we will see you next week same time
1:04:12
And if there's anybody who wants to come along and tell their story about COVID, about getting
1:04:17
their vaccine, about things they're doing in their community to help out, in their society
1:04:22
in their company, their employees, in their family, how they helped convince their
1:04:28
their COVIDIAT family members to do the right thing. That would be awesome as well
1:04:34
So reach out on the community and we'd love to talk to you
1:04:39
Yep. And thank you all. Hope you have a safe weekend and time ahead
1:04:45
Okay. Take care, everybody. Bye-bye. Thank you
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