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Today, we are going to talk about a different topic. We're going to talk about jobs

We're talking about the shortage of software development. Developers is growing big time here in the US as well as globally

And we're also going to talk about some of the latest job trends going on

and other challenges, problems and shifts in industry happening as we see right now

And I'm going to have a couple of guests today. I'm going to have a couple of guests joining us in a few minutes

Our goal really is we are going to talk about different perspectives, how as a software developer, what are you looking for as a company, what company is looking for

And there's a, you know, what's the change going on from working from home versus working on site

So there's time zones and all that, a lot of those things. if you are

have one of those challenges you are finding it difficult from work

from home or better from work from home we want to hear from you

I want to know what's your thought process on you know change these change in

last year or so are you working from home let us know if you are still going are you going

on site in the company yes or no do you like working from home

do you not like working from home and advantage benefits if you are working from home what would you like to see companies to do

also that's you i want to hear from you that as well for example you know do you miss that personal

interaction right all those things so start posting your comments i will take some of your

comments during this this show and discussion today it's october 22nd um do you see my my

Hopefully my voice is a little better today. I pull this close

So it's October 22nd. Fall is almost here, started here. And I share on my social media that in front of my house

this is my neighbor's house, if you see that on the screen. In other neighbor's house, a little bit far from me, there's a tree

So Simon, if you can zoom on on that little tree. This tree is the first tree tells us that, yes, fall is here

This tree changes three colors in like next two weeks we will see three or four

color changes on this. This is also the tree when spring starts this is the one

start telling us. So this is kind of indication. As you can see this tree has

half of the leaves are almost red and orange that tells us that yes fall is

here. So if you are not in the US, you never been to the US, the fall is a

beautiful here that a lot of trees they changes their leaves. You know I was in

india india doesn't have this kind of weather but soon different leaves are going to have different

colors colors are from different you know from red to orange to dark between colors and still green

it's beautiful um so yeah i just want to share that with you guys um other thing happening is

i think today is the this is the one of the nicest day for this last one of the last days of this uh

nice summer weather and after that's going a little cold is going to start soon here

tomorrow starting tomorrow actually tomorrow is going to be 60 degrees and four and high

um what else we got anything else yeah so i had another laptop it broke i don't think it broke

but the screen doesn't work so i'm gonna go and figure out that get this fixed that's my list

I'm also looking for a new car I don't have a car in last year and a half I've been carless

so that's been a good thing I didn't have any car so now I'm going to start looking for a car

um and we're going to bring actually Simon here later in the show I think we are trying to figure

out the conferences coming up in uh in next couple of months in next year should we do in-person

conference in India or not should we do C-sharp corner annual conference what is your take on that

Let us know what you think. Should we do in-person conference in India? Yeah, we would definitely like you to talk about that

Post a comment Join us We would like to hear more from you there And also yeah Simon just opened a call for speakers for conference So we are going to have a conference

It's already, website is already coming up. But the call for speakers is open

So if you want to speak at this conference, go ahead and apply there

This is going to have a big list of speakers, definitely. We're going to have a lot of good people there

I believe it's in January, Simon. The conference itself is in January

And you can check out the website. Is the website live right now? So, yeah, I think Simon is going to post the website

Yep, it's January 25th to 27th. Website should be coming publicly available soon

We're working on the website. Simon's team is working on the website. All right

with that said uh so let's bring our guest in the show let's see who's available baskar uh is uh

available anybody else available hey baskar how are you i'm good thank you manish how are you

good uh thanks for joining me yeah thank you for having me yeah and it's always you know pleasure

to be you know joining this kind of show and um it's always i like you know this growth mindset

show because it tells you know the different stories and different different ways it's not

only about the coding part it's not only about the technology it's all about you know the your

personality the career and the growth and everything so i really like it in fact and we have archie

here archie welcome to the show thank you so much for having me in the show it's great to be

here with you all like talented people you have so many so much experience working in the industry

and it's really amazing to speak with old people definitely no all right so uh no you guys are

young that's great so Bhaskar why don't you start with the introductions your introductions then

maybe you want to introduce yourself after that and then we'll start the discussions

sure i mean uh yeah so my name is Bhaskar and i'm in India i'm working with mcl solutions

private limited this company is you know growing like you know the big time though the company is

small um and i'm holding a position of you know since the company is small uh you have to play

multiple roles so that's what i'm also playing it so i'm a chief strategy officer and chief

technical officer too and sometimes i become a developer too so uh this is what the you know the

company structure and my role is and the about the company is you know company is almost 18 years old

and i would say it's not old 18 years young you know and uh it has a specialization on you know

creating a mobile developer mobile applications web applications then ar vr and a lot of you know

the data mining other tasks too so these are some of the specialization we are having it and

and i'm pretty happy that you know we have a line of experts with us so any domain any type of work

which is coming to us because you know we are a custom software developer too like and we never

ever you know rejected our customer like you know say uh we can't do it we do not have that expertise

our experts are always say that let's try this and you know what always you know we got a success

sometimes a little late sometimes it's a little early but we always got you know that success

So that was just a small intro to the company and me. Archie, you want to introduce yourself

Sure. So as you know, my name is Archie Vankar, and I have been into this

I have been working with C Sharp Corner past few months, and it's amazing till date

I have experience with strategy planning and talent acquisition. I have experience with publishing domain

And most importantly, I am into these advisory and innovation creative structures where I'm really, really looking ahead with C Sharp Corner as well to, you know, help you guys with my experiences and my domain knowledge

Apart from that, I am also associated with Mindcracker. And I'm looking ahead with Mindcracker, how I can, you know, innovate my ideas into it

Because Mindcracker basically was formed from 2003. And we are into software and innovation advisory

And we are looking ahead with different other technologies, whether it has to be blockchain or cloud applications and etc

so yeah that's that's what it is basically great all right we're good to have both of you here

today uh later we're gonna have simon to jump into he better go change his shirt uh so yeah

both of you i'm glad you both are here i see we have some comments rohit is joining us both to

rohit joining us rohit welcome to the show yeah anybody just ask your questions any kind of

questions you have but today i want to talk about certain things one of the things i want to talk

about it there is in software development right now recently what we are seeing is a big trend of

of not having enough people especially in the U.S. what's happening is I think last

two years the visa process and there were some you know issues with the migrations and I think

in the last three four years that less people came here in the U.S. so U.S. we don't have enough

people. We don't have enough software developers, we don't have you know and that's a challenge

and I think we are also now seeing the same problem in India as well. If not we will see

that it's just because the demand of IT has increased so much in last few years

a couple of years because now everybody's working from home and not only everybody's working from

home a lot of these companies now wants to build different systems you know is this is a migration

to cloud or is it innovation building new applications and so on so forth so what's

happening now is that that that is one part other part is a lot of people are now working from home

and i want to hear actually from people who are listening to this show or watching this show

is that when you are working from home and you're one of those you know software developers or

yst or architect or doesn't matter what are the main um plus and minuses for you to working

from home do you like it are you getting more productive obviously you're spending more time

with your family your kids but is this a distraction as well do you also feel like

oh i want to go back i was better i was more productive working from you know what is your

take on that I want to hear that and we want to discuss those topics. So back to that my

previous Bhaskar, what are you seeing that demand wise at MCN? First thing you said you

are a chief strategy officer So what does chief strategy officer really do for our audience so uh it nothing a new position it you know the mix of all existing roles which includes your sales which

includes your marketing which includes your you know uh keeping um interacted you know with the

existing customers and the quality in everything so it's a mix of another blend of everything

and a strategy for the company which is how to grow the company and from where to get the business

and when you know you know work on these main bullet points essentially you you have to deep

drive to the different sections of the problems which is again the sales and the technologies

and everything um i mean in the new technologies whenever it is been introduced you also need to

you know look into the picture like if we are having the expert of this new technology

would we get a new business for example uh the blockchain it's not that new but you know it is

relatively new in india and if we have a blockchain expert with us probably we get you know um we

would be the early bird to get a couple of projects. So all these things has to be taken

care of by the strategist and that's what I'm doing it. So as I'm in the market and

interacting with the customers, maybe the existing, reaching to the new one, all that

All right. Sounds good. Welcome to the show, Leja. I see you are our regular. Thanks for

joining us this Friday so Archie what do you I know you mentioned Mindcracker and C Sharp Corner

so you are now working with us with me also direct and C Sharp Corner a couple of things we are

launching new things is one of them is is a is a training part right exactly training is you want

to talk a little bit about that what our clients are Yogesh welcome to the show thank you guys for

all these joining us and letting us know where you're joining us and if you have any questions

just feel free to jump in today we are just discussing jobs career advice any questions

you have dot net versus java there's always a question dot net versus java or dot net versus

react any questions you have just asked us here but yeah go ahead archie so basically talking

about training in terms of courses or in terms of book publishing or in terms of whatever way we can

just project the thoughts of several people you know there are various people various authors

various video editor video course creators who really really are interested to project their

mindset to project their domain knowledge they really want to come ahead and talk about what

they have in mind as well as what they have gone through over the years like there are various

amazing uh people out there who are quite sufficient in terms of what they have done till yet

and they really want to go ahead with things like whatever emerging technologies they are dealing

with into so we are trying to create a sort of platform where could where they could actually

you know update the courses where they actually publish them where they could help several video

authors as well to learn and grasp what actually is being done in these terms of things as well as

there are various viewers and students who can literally learn several things

So it would really help them to grow ahead, whether it has to be about video things, whether

it has to be book publishing, they can have these trainings. There are instructor-led trainings, there are live video sessions where they could just

enroll and get access to various other technologies. So we are working to form that sort of training courses for them

We have been in touch with several good authors and we have quite a lot of strength over there in terms of audiences

So it's really going to be amazing. Yeah, so this is good

So in C Sharp Corner, we are launching trainings, which will be in terms of, you know, videos, learning series

It could also be projects, trainings. Yeah, it's coming up. So that's really Archie's main role is

So if you are a C-Sharp Corner member, you will be seeing a lot more course content coming, learning, like, you know, any other learning websites is out there

So besides that, Archie, I know you're also working with Mindcracker. And Mindcracker is hiring many people here in the U.S., especially in software development

You want to talk about some of the positions you are hiring for? Definitely

There are positions all over for developers, whether it has to be JavaScript or Node.js

or another emerging technologies, whether it has to be backend or frontend

So there are these developer jobs as well as there are executive jobs available

whether it has to be sales executive or marketing executive. So if someone has to shift in that zone

and if they are experienced into that comfortability, it is also available

Apart from that, we have jobs related to big data cloud applications, which can also be helpful

So rather only focusing on developers, which is the main criteria over there, but still we have other jobs available as well

So, yeah. Oh, that's great. That's great. All right. So, so far, no questions, guys

If anybody, guys, girls, ladies, gents, whoever has questions, ask your questions

I want to shift a little bit topic here now. Thanks for sharing both of you, your backgrounds

I want to shift some gears here and I want to talk about work from home

So if you are working from home, Bhaskar, you're working from 100% almost, right

How do you find this work from home situation? And what are the rewards and challenging when you're working from home

And yeah, let's start with that first. Sure. So, you know, in the initial COVID days

when people were forced to work from home. It was a really, very challenging task for us

because, you know, home, we are not set up our work desk or, you know, the station, right

And we have no specific area generally, you know, in India, you know, the people there are going to the office

they used to go to office. So that's what home, there is no such place

where you can spend a decent time or no noise or something

So these were some of the challenges we faced initially. But later we realized when we started working from home

and that graph was actually shifted from no output to some output to yes output

And then it was a tremendous output from working from home. and my experience with working from home is i'm actually getting enough time to spend on my work

for example if you are traveling to the office it's at least 30 minutes or 40 minutes travel

from one side or maybe sometimes there is a traffic you know you are spending one hour

so you are essentially saving two hours and what actually happens when you coming back from office you are so tired so that you are not even not even you know feel like to open a laptop or talking to someone or you know taking a status or something because

your body is already tired. This is what we already have fresh mind like, you know

not at the end of the day. When you come home from work and you're tired driving in traffic

and somebody cut you off, then you are coming home and yelling at kids. Yes, I mean, your mindset was

totally different that time when you are coming you know entering to the home but since you are

already at home you are you know gradually you know meeting with your kids and talking to your

wife and all the family members you are also you know getting relaxed in between it's not that eight

complete hours stretch you are working directly continuously but you are taking you know five or

minutes in between break and that actually I feel like you know took me to the higher output range

and I really felt it like I mean not because of the corona but if everywhere this work from home

situation can apply and if people are honest to give their best shot from home it's nothing like

it like it's yeah sometimes you get too much kids you like let me go back to work because I'm bored

with kids exactly that's the other other thoughts which is you know often i mean very very rare

coming to in my mind is sometimes kids are actually they are out of control or maybe you know at home

you know the guests are coming so it's better to you know reach to your office spend your decent

eight hours or nine hours whatever hours you can spend it come back to home and enjoy with them

otherwise work from home is really a boon for me it's nothing like it

So, Archie, how are you finding work from home for yourself? For me, I guess I will agree to disagree I mean it could also be because I have no experience

with kids and whatsoever so for me I mean it was something which I felt because I already

always have this sort of habit because I have always stayed away from home and I have that

sort of mindset that i have to go to a office and i have to work over there so i had that sort of

persona and work from whom literally changed that because i i really miss going office and i but

that's true at one point as bhaska mentioned that infrastructure is nothing related to the output

you know output can be generated without being into this amazing infrastructure kind of zone

if you have that sort of mindset if you had had that sort of drive you can achieve that whether

you are in a office whether you are in a home or wherever for that matter but for me work from

home is something which is kind of no-no at least for now because that zone where everyone is working

and everyone having that sort of passion and everything that sort of something helps me out

to yeah so that's a good point right for i think young people exactly i guess that's that's the

difference you know over here when it comes to because i have no experience with family

management and everything i don't have family you will also need you learn a lot from other people

absolutely yeah yes when we are in person it really helps in understanding as well it helps

to see the experience which the people hold and to learn from them so to be with them it generates

more uh so i see comments from rohit i see ledger uh from ivory coast i see yogis stephen

rohit you guys all i'm sure you guys all work from home anybody is going to office just share

your feedback yeah but Simon says uh if uh if I don't have work from home I will quit okay that's

uh so that's not good um no it's fine work from home is great I think but I personally believe that

there should be a little bit of work from work too work from office too because not only takes

you outside from one place but sometimes you get bored doing same thing again like for so long

so i think that going forward the mix will be a good winner i would say like a mutual balance

yeah yeah some people you know some people wants to go you know if you are you want to go work with

your co-workers and that's where you are productive yeah i think that we will see that as well so

okay good thoughts on that guys so rohit says he goes to office and yeah you guys just share your

thoughts what do you think on um so now i want to shift back to um vaskar you you are hiring people

right you're hiring people yes yes so do you want to share something about our audience what kind of

people you are hiring um are they going to work from home in person what are you looking for

yes exactly and uh that's what a very uh important point is uh we are hiring we are at mcm you know

hiring almost 10 positions uh immediately you know we prefer to put person who can join immediately

i know that notice periods uh nowadays the different companies are going high from two

months to three months but uh maybe you know some people they are already in notice period maybe

the company they do not you know want them to be uh stay longer back once you resign or something

and the positions what we have is react developer including who knows the node node.js and the graph

ql graph ql is you know nice to have essentially the candidate should have a knowledge of you know

the database either it is rdbms or no sql doesn't matter but at least if they know that database

and they know how to you know store that data face the data and interacting with the front end

that will be good enough for it. So I have these 10 positions where five is the junior resource and

the five are the senior resources. Apart from this, we need two severe positions, which is

ASP.NET candidates. Nowadays, it's a little difficult for, you know, to finding ASP.NET guys

but yes guys are still there and the third part is we are actively looking for

sales director position people so if somebody who is interested in in these you know positions or

they fit in this criteria I'm sharing my email probably you know Simon you can share this email

and just send your resume to us. They can contact you on LinkedIn, right

Yes, they can contact you on LinkedIn, Twitter, or my mobile number or the email

I don't think you want to put your email in the comments. Some bots are going to come and get it

and then you just can ask. Not only you, everybody's going to, your company's going to get spam after that

Yeah. So Simon said he also needs a WordPress developer. Yeah, so anybody who's good in WordPress, you definitely

Simon can use you. I don't know why he doesn't ask himself on the shows

I'm sure there's some people can help on WordPress side. Okay, that's great

Now, why? Tell me, ask me. I'm going to ask you something. If I already have a job, why should I join you

Okay, so... Why do I want to leave my company and join MCN

So there could be, you know, several reasons. like in your existing company your growth is stagnant like you have reached to a level where

you are no forward moving you are not learning anymore and we as a you know mcn solutions we

have a different stack of expertise and the good part is you know we keep you know getting a

different type of projects where people if they want to you know learn something new at very you

know, immediate timeframe, they can go and learn it. The second part is we are paying, you know

good. I mean, as per the industry standard, as well as, you know, sometimes we are going high

on this part. So these are the points that people can, you know, think of it and they can join us

definitely. What do you do? Anything else you help them with the certifications? What else you do

like yes it's not enough like this is everybody can say that what you're saying that oh we'll pay

you extra and we'll give you a new project what's the big i will add a couple of more points in fact

which is essentially this certification is definitely one of the point we are actually

offering all of our employees to you know go and get the free certification it's obviously you know

you have to discuss initially with us and what type of certification you want to do it you can

go ahead and do it company will pay for that certification uh the second is when you are

actually engaging with a new company like you know the startup company startup companies are

growing like you know the big time and uh the people who are associated with those startup

companies they will also you know get benefited in a longer term so the these are the points i mean

the people can think of it and we actually offering a really very good um stuffs right there

all right that's good now let me assist to archie so archie now i know you mentioned that on c-shark

corner we are building these trainings and we are building the g books publishing part if somebody

is watching us right now this show and if they say you know what i want to become a trainer with

you what's the process for that? First of all I would really be like in terms of process you need

we need to connect. Yeah what they need to do to talk to you reach out to you what if there's

somebody already who already has a training out there they've got the video training they're already

published trainer on other platforms if they want to come join C Sharp Corner what's the process for

for that? Once they get connected with me, whether it has to be email

or LinkedIn or any other site, whether it has to be Twitter, once they are connected, they can share me their links

They can share me their courses with OneDrive. We can have a good call

We can have a good chat. And I can explain them what exactly we address to

and what we are focusing on that. Once they will share me their updated courses

we have a policy where the authors themselves can update on the training side

we can have someone from the team who can explain them how to update the courses on the website

as well as if they want, they can share the courses with us and we'll do the needful

So that's a basic process. And apart from that, we also have these revenue shares and everything which we can talk about

And it's just a normal process. Once you are connected, the things will go smoothly

Yeah, and I think Simon has a good question here. How do you decide which courses to pick

I feel the most important thing are the ones which are currently into the business, whether it has to be blockchain or any front end technologies, which are like emerging ones, whether it has to be Python, JavaScript, also .NET as well

So these will be the basic criteria apart from SharePoint and stuff which is not that much included

Although they are also quite fascinating. But at the same point, the ones which are actually in the market and people are literally looking forward to it

So those will be the prioritized one as of now. Yeah, I think to also add to that, we are going to probably have courses on all the technologies, not one or other

So we don't say, oh, we don't, you know, if you are doing, let's say, Oracle, we will not say, oh, we may not sell it a lot because we may not have a lot of audience

They need Oracle. But it doesn't mean that. But one thing we are going to on C Sharp Corner is separate is that we will have only one course on one topic

We will not have multiple courses. we will pick the quality speaker quality author quality trainer and we'll only have um one per

topic and um yeah so that's a good question how often video courses will be updated three months

so i think simon to answer this it depends on when the new products coming out it's no fixed time

right if you have a dot net course it doesn't make sense to update every three months because

new version.net gonna come next year. So I think it will totally depend on when the new features

and these are coming up. But that's the key is we will have only our trainers

and authors will be making sure that when we pick and we sign these deals we will make sure they are responsible for that also Hey Shivangi good to see you here Thanks for joining us today

We are just talking about trainings, jobs, anything. I know you had a couple of questions. Feel free to ask your questions here

So it can help even more, you know, other people who are watching this

So that's great. So we are going to have some training coming up. So if somebody wants to see what the training looks like, they can go on C Sharp Corner right now

That's kind of our preview platform, right? What is training.csharpcorner.com? Yep. So they can go to training.csharp.com

We already have a few old courses here. They're not, you know, we just launched them to test the platform out and everything works fine

This is where we're going to use it for upcoming courses. and I think every time we're going to launch a new course there's going to be news on C-sharp

corner as well. So all right so that covers the that covers the hiring that goes the job that

covers the training all the things so let's talk about one more topic today and we were

a little bit talking about that Pascal is that from a company side right when a company side is

looking for employees so you want to hire some people they're working from home what are you

expecting though beside the technical skills what are you expecting from them like more on

interpersonal skills or you know speaking or communications what else you really focus on

when you look for new employees so point i'm making is if somebody's watching here and they

are young they're a student and they're applying for a job what should they be uh kind of preparing

for that's really very good question in fact it will give insight to the all the people you know

who are actually looking for a job or maybe you know uh they are thinking on this side so

i can tell you based on my experience and what actually we are looking into a candidate which is

the basic thing is definitely a certain level of expertise on that particular technology

and the interpersonal skill. But we are also expecting, which is your accountability and

responsibility. I mean, these two terms are really very small words, but it means a lot

And it has a lot of, you know, the depth into this. So what I see, I can give you an example

like if a person has been assigned to a work and he's committed to do it and he said that it can be

done maybe six hours but somehow it didn't happen and he he was not able to he couldn't you know to

deliver it after six hours so what that person should do then it it is not like uh he should be

saying that I said six hours I can definitely you know put max to max eight hours after that I'll go

back to home and then all done next day I will try again no so if you have taken some responsibility

that responsibility has to be accomplished if you are committed to do something you should be doing

it and if something is given to you definitely you know you have to accept it or you have to

I mean, if it is very difficult or you are facing some problems, you can discuss initially

But once you are committed to do it, you should definitely do it

So as a candidate, into the candidate, basically, we are looking who are responsible, who are good in interpersonal skills

And definitely skills can be made later on as well. That's my thought

but it's good to have you know the basic skill set into that candidate this is what we are looking

for and i'll tell you one more thing which is during the interview process it may be a two or

three rounds or maybe 30 minutes or one hour uh you will never ever you know um i would not say

judge but yes you you cannot um see how good or bad that candidate is you can just have a idea

about it and based on that you can go go ahead right and once the candidate is in or onboarding

to that company he has to prove himself in these criteria and once you have you know get that

confidence built onto your supervisor manager or you know the team you are good to go then

all right so we will take a question here from shivangi that so i think if there's an option

to choose from react and dot net which would be preferable or should be something like full stack

react and dot net and i can also answer that and then also she has another following question

And actually they can both be answered in the same. She says, which tech seems to have a good future

And I'll talk about this on my, what I'm looking for and what I see more in the US

Shivangi is that, so both React and .NET, obviously they're both in big demand

You cannot go wrong with either of them. If you are a good React expert or .NET expert, they're both in demand

But there's another demand I'm seeing is that the front end is being developed on the React a lot these days

And the APIs and back end is being developed in .NET Core, which is now .NET 5 and coming .NET 6 a lot

Database can be anywhere. And they are all being deployed on Azure Cloud or AWS

So if you have a stack like React is front end, .NET or Node, both can be in your back end

And then you will know a little bit about cloud, how to deploy and manage in all that

applications on cloud This becomes your call amazing stack where everybody wants you okay so this is not so that kind of what i think is growing and it doesn it doesn mean that

if you are in dot net i would say blazer it would be something good for future because obviously

esp.net and as we said not too many people really too many companies are building applications on

esp.net so that's kind of my view and it basically you want to add more on that

i would like to add one thing is when people are actually comparing all these i would say

you really know can't compare apple with the oranges in fact right so every technology has

their own pros and cons in fact and the react is essentially from the front end part and the

dotnet uh core i mean you can always go with the front end with the blazer but in the dotnet core

you can create your apis which is interacting with the database so to complete a app application you

must need you know these two uh stats which is the front end part as well as they know the back end

and definitely you can you know um club together these two and go ahead so it's it's not always

like you should go with only react or only dot net even you can combine it you can go ahead

yeah definitely definitely i think yeah and that's what we're seeing a lot more applications i know a

lot of people that's their company they are microsoft stack companies you know they say we

try to use more Microsoft because then you need the developers who only know C Sharp and Dornay

But what I'm seeing trend now is their front end is being a lot more developed in React

React being a light and all that. But there's another trend coming now is that Blazor is

start being popular these days. We are building a couple of large projects in Blazor right now

and because we were thinking to react before but we found blazer is really uh it beats everybody

it's much faster it's lighter and development is moves really quick in this uh and it's you

you know if you are a dotnet guys you are used to it um you don't write a lot of javascript

microsoft tech is always you know the enterprise tech and uh you know uh i mean the react and

everything that can be used for the small to the big level projects but when microsoft comes into

the picture people always you know think of it it would be the enterprise application or something

yeah so that's where i'm seeing is uh uh there's a question what's that any other question what do

you think who is better master of none and master of one yeah master you cannot be master of one i

mean none i mean okay jack of all is saying i think uh so yeah i mean these days i think you

need to be a master of one definitely and then you also need to be a master of others not none

none is none right none is like zero that means you're not master so but you need to know a lot

of other things these days what i'm finding is it's not one or other uh you can be like full

that's what full stack developer is really so you cannot you don't have to depend on somebody else

but you can just be a front-end expert but you still should need to know the back end you still

need to know api you still need to know a little bit tweaking around database that's ideal i'm not

saying they're all there people but that's ideal is um that's what you know probably the ideal

combination all right there's a question here why two versions of blazer whereas react another

javascript as there's only one uh that's a good question blazer has two versions right

uh one is server side one is client side and i think it's a reason is simple simon that a lot

of people prefer to use their code on server compile and run their code on server for security reasons

some people just they are coming from javascript background they don't understand or they don't

get the idea of being server side they want to run everything in browser so when you say

client-side server-side what's happening really is that all the coding all the business logic all the

all the, you know, compare and getting data, all the thing is done on either client side

or on the server side. So think of that data is coming from database

The data has to kind of process somewhere. Then it's being presented to the person

who, you know, and customer. So there are three parts, right? There's a data store

data is being processed, something is happening with the data, and then it's being presented to the customer

so in case of front end like a client side data comes direct from database to your browser

data comes direct from your database to your browser that means your chrome or whichever

browser you're using this becomes your whole operating system now so there's a lot of data

coming in your browser so sometimes if you see chrome is taking you know one gb of your ram is

because your applications you're using is a lot of processing happening on client side

So that's client side. On server side, what happens is data comes from database on the server

There's a web server running on the server. It does all the processing and everything

And it sends the data only needed to display or present it to the client

Only small part of the usually data comes to the front end. So both of these technologies has their pros and cons

And one is not better. than another depends on what kind of applications you building So the challenge with front end is all client side data is that it easy to if coding is not done by experience people it easy to have access to all the data because your

data is in the browser. On the server side, data is never exposed to the browser. You know

it's always stayed on server, only data you want to send to a client side browser

that is only exposed to the browser. So a lot of people who started their programming

from JavaScript, they don't understand the concept of server side. They prefer client side scripting

They prefer client side Blazor. That's why Microsoft and Blazor team said

you know what, we're going to build both. And so people who like client side

they can go to the client side, WebAssembly, who like server side

they can use the server side. server side is a lot of people like who come from .NET, ASP.NET background, they understand server side

People who come from JavaScript and React and Angular, they understand pretty much the client side

So that's the difference. So it's a catering to both kind of audience. And that's the difference between these two

But both have their own spaces. If you ask me, I would prefer always use server side

I would never put all my secrets of my data on the client side

yes that went really deep and that's very because nobody people understand that

nobody talks about they just jump around like oh I like client side oh I like server side

they don't even understand the meaning of it that's why we went deep

so with that said is there any other questions but hopefully answer

Simon hopefully you got the difference between these two uh some you know sometimes server side can be slow because that depends on how you process the

data sometimes client side we can slow the challenge with client side is that it's sometimes

you see your uh lot of applications hanging is and their browser taking a lot of memories because

there's so much data being loaded into your client side but if you have a lot of processing

you need to done on data if you're already on the client side in memory then it's much faster so it

depends on application to application we can have it just one whole show on just this

yeah the when is c-sharp corner moving to blazer well we want to move it yesterday but we don't

have developer we need to hire some blazer developers uh but that's the process we are

in the process of um hiring people um so yeah we're definitely going to build in blazer server

side blazer uh that's what our goal is all right saman you coming behind the scene or you're just

going to keep talking from from the chat all right with that said are there any other questions i

think we recovered pretty good anything last last minute uh anything lasting archie you want to

to start say something else to the people and then Bhaskar you want to say some last minute

last word and then I'll close it. I am just happy to be here and listen especially you know the

talks which you do have been doing right now the conversation whether it has to be Blazor or client

server or about the hiring processes and everything so I'm really glad to be a part of this and to

listen it so thank you for that um you know it really helps when you guys project these sort of

thoughts so yeah i'm glad that's it thank you yeah so uh i would definitely say help me to you know send me your resume when i say your it means

you know it could be you or you know your friends or known person who are actually looking for a

change and definitely this will be a great opportunity you know working with us uh the

react and node asp.net and in fact you know um the word wordpress developer and um

last one which was i just missed that but never mind um send me your resume we can you know just

filter them out and possibly you know you get a call yes so ng had a question here are the jobs

in asp.net of blazer so if you ask mindcracker in the us we have jobs in blazer uh blazer with the

dot net also back-end front-end is obviously blazer applications then it's a dot net full

stack dot net developer and in mcn we need asp.net developer so anyway they'll also be blazer i don't

think you need ASP.NET, you ask me because if they're working on C Sharp Corner

they will need gold because they will turn initially to fix things

but eventually they will be building Blazor. Yes. Right. So with that said

I think hopefully everybody has had fun today. I think we covered

a bunch of topics. With that, I would like to close today's show

Everybody have a good weekend and I will see you next Friday