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The Cloud Show with Magnus Mårtensson ft. Rik Hepworth - Ep: 65
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Aug 6, 2025
Join this live session with Magnus Mårtensson ft. Rik Hepworth for the next episode of The Cloud Show with Magnus Mårtensson on March, at 01:05 PM (EST). The show is about cloud leadership and all the important questions relating to cloud projects. Certainly, many matters when a company is going to and wants to be successful in the cloud, are about technology. However, there are many additional matters, adjacent to technology, that we also need to tend to regarding business strategy, human resources, organizational change, planning for a technical cloud approach, and many more questions. These conversations are critical for a healthy cloud and for a swift and accurate cloud approach. GUEST SPEAKER I have experience in a broad range of areas including marketing, PR, design and print. My primary focus is information technology and I have experience in designing, deploying and managing IT projects of varying scale for a range of organisations. I am a Chartered IT Professional and hold the professional qualification from the Chartered Institure of Marketing I am now a Microsoft MVP for Microsoft Azure, and I help customers look at how they can take advantage of cloud services as part of their overall IT strategy. 📺 CSharp TV - Dev Streaming Destination http://csharp.tv 🌎 C# Corner - Community of Software and Data Developers https://www.c-sharpcorner.com #CSharpTV #csharpcorner #TheCloudShow #CSharp #Interview
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hello everyone welcome to another
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hello everyone welcome to another
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hello everyone welcome to another episode of the cloud show so I am at
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episode of the cloud show so I am at
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episode of the cloud show so I am at conference here in Belgium at the cloud
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conference here in Belgium at the cloud
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conference here in Belgium at the cloud Brew conference it is an amazing
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Brew conference it is an amazing
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Brew conference it is an amazing conference it's big there's like
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conference it's big there's like
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conference it's big there's like hundreds of people here and there's lots
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hundreds of people here and there's lots
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hundreds of people here and there's lots of really really good speakers so I
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of really really good speakers so I
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of really really good speakers so I definitely want to take the opportunity
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definitely want to take the opportunity
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definitely want to take the opportunity to talk to some of them while I'm here
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to talk to some of them while I'm here
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to talk to some of them while I'm here and I also of course want to thank uh
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and I also of course want to thank uh
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and I also of course want to thank uh one of the sponsors of this
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one of the sponsors of this
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one of the sponsors of this community-driven conference the sponsor
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community-driven conference the sponsor
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community-driven conference the sponsor is Zur and I just want to say thank you
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is Zur and I just want to say thank you
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is Zur and I just want to say thank you Zur for sponsoring community events
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Zur for sponsoring community events
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Zur for sponsoring community events that's a really cool thing to do now I
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that's a really cool thing to do now I
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that's a really cool thing to do now I want to talk about problems with DNS
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want to talk about problems with DNS
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want to talk about problems with DNS it's always DNS I specifically want to
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it's always DNS I specifically want to
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it's always DNS I specifically want to talk about that with a good friend who
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talk about that with a good friend who
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talk about that with a good friend who knows all about this stuff his name is
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knows all about this stuff his name is
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knows all about this stuff his name is Rick
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Rick
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Rick [Music]
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[Music] Hepworth hello Rick how are you doing
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Hepworth hello Rick how are you doing
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Hepworth hello Rick how are you doing I'm doing well thanks Magnus fancy
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I'm doing well thanks Magnus fancy
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I'm doing well thanks Magnus fancy meeting you here again fancy meeting me
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meeting you here again fancy meeting me
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meeting you here again fancy meeting me yeah like that was just the happen St
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yeah like that was just the happen St
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yeah like that was just the happen St it's good to see you and I and um we're
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it's good to see you and I and um we're
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it's good to see you and I and um we're going to tell the audience about we're
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going to tell the audience about we're
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going to tell the audience about we're going to talk about um DNS things and
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going to talk about um DNS things and
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going to talk about um DNS things and and these can of problems based on the
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and these can of problems based on the
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and these can of problems based on the things that were in your talk today
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things that were in your talk today
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things that were in your talk today absolutely but first we'd like to
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absolutely but first we'd like to
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absolutely but first we'd like to introduce you to the audience and uh let
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introduce you to the audience and uh let
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introduce you to the audience and uh let me just say first of all congratulations
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me just say first of all congratulations
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me just say first of all congratulations I hear you have a new gig that you're
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I hear you have a new gig that you're
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I hear you have a new gig that you're doing I do thank you very much and it's
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doing I do thank you very much and it's
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doing I do thank you very much and it's it's great that we're standing in front
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it's great that we're standing in front
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it's great that we're standing in front of the sign right because this morning
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of the sign right because this morning
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of the sign right because this morning as you know we announced zuuk yeah so I
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as you know we announced zuuk yeah so I
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as you know we announced zuuk yeah so I am now CEO and founder oh my God the UK
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am now CEO and founder oh my God the UK
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am now CEO and founder oh my God the UK part of the great zor group and
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part of the great zor group and
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part of the great zor group and fantastic it's really exciting you know
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fantastic it's really exciting you know
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fantastic it's really exciting you know the paint hasn't dried yet and the paint
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the paint hasn't dried yet and the paint
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the paint hasn't dried yet and the paint hasn't dried that's fine but so what
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hasn't dried that's fine but so what
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hasn't dried that's fine but so what kind of things do you do in Tech
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kind of things do you do in Tech
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kind of things do you do in Tech generally speaking um so so I personally
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generally speaking um so so I personally
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generally speaking um so so I personally as as you know I'm I'm an IT Pro by by
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as as you know I'm I'm an IT Pro by by
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as as you know I'm I'm an IT Pro by by background what I do these days is I
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background what I do these days is I
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background what I do these days is I tend to help organizations with um
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tend to help organizations with um
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tend to help organizations with um architectural questions um I try and
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architectural questions um I try and
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architectural questions um I try and bridge the gap between the development
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bridge the gap between the development
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bridge the gap between the development teams and the it pro and the security
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teams and the it pro and the security
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teams and the it pro and the security and the governance
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and the governance
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and the governance I have a lot of conversations about
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I have a lot of conversations about
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I have a lot of conversations about those sort of sea level let's talk
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those sort of sea level let's talk
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those sort of sea level let's talk governance let's talk about risk
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governance let's talk about risk
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governance let's talk about risk management let's talk about security
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management let's talk about security
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management let's talk about security profiles and that kind of stuff and and
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profiles and that kind of stuff and and
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profiles and that kind of stuff and and then you had a a session here
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then you had a a session here
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then you had a a session here specifically about U the wo of of
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specifically about U the wo of of
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specifically about U the wo of of networking if you will I did right so I
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networking if you will I did right so I
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networking if you will I did right so I mean the reason for that is you and I
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mean the reason for that is you and I
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mean the reason for that is you and I both know right we work with a lot of
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both know right we work with a lot of
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both know right we work with a lot of large organizations of course yes and
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large organizations of course yes and
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large organizations of course yes and they're often new to Cloud they've got
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they're often new to Cloud they've got
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they're often new to Cloud they've got very very sharp bright people and
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very very sharp bright people and
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very very sharp bright people and they're starting to implement stuff but
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they're starting to implement stuff but
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they're starting to implement stuff but they hit roadblocks way they do because
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they hit roadblocks way they do because
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they hit roadblocks way they do because they have developer teams uh that are
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they have developer teams uh that are
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they have developer teams uh that are building applications but they don't
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building applications but they don't
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building applications but they don't know what cloud infrastructure is like
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know what cloud infrastructure is like
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know what cloud infrastructure is like they also have networking people who are
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they also have networking people who are
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they also have networking people who are you know they've been doing networking
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you know they've been doing networking
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you know they've been doing networking for the cor for the organization for you
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for the cor for the organization for you
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for the cor for the organization for you know decades they're really really good
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know decades they're really really good
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know decades they're really really good networking people except now the toolbox
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networking people except now the toolbox
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networking people except now the toolbox is all changed in the cloud now we're
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is all changed in the cloud now we're
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is all changed in the cloud now we're want to do networking in the cloud and
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want to do networking in the cloud and
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want to do networking in the cloud and the tools have all changed yeah
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the tools have all changed yeah
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the tools have all changed yeah absolutely and what I see a lot is
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absolutely and what I see a lot is
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absolutely and what I see a lot is organizations moving to Azure in the
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organizations moving to Azure in the
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organizations moving to Azure in the cloud and and they replicate Prem right
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cloud and and they replicate Prem right
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cloud and and they replicate Prem right yes so that's exactly right the session
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yes so that's exactly right the session
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yes so that's exactly right the session today was a it was my usual War Story
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today was a it was my usual War Story
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today was a it was my usual War Story Real World engagement I've been working
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Real World engagement I've been working
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Real World engagement I've been working with a a big organization they've got
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with a a big organization they've got
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with a a big organization they've got some really great people they weren't
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some really great people they weren't
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some really great people they weren't really using Azure so they' established
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really using Azure so they' established
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really using Azure so they' established a hubs spoke topology you know as per
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a hubs spoke topology you know as per
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a hubs spoke topology you know as per Cloud adoption framework architected
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Cloud adoption framework architected
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Cloud adoption framework architected framework they got virtual Appliance in
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framework they got virtual Appliance in
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framework they got virtual Appliance in the middle meanwhile we have a really
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the middle meanwhile we have a really
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the middle meanwhile we have a really good Dev team and they've built this
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good Dev team and they've built this
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good Dev team and they've built this Absol abolutely fantastic application
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Absol abolutely fantastic application
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Absol abolutely fantastic application all pass Services I mean I look at it
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all pass Services I mean I look at it
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all pass Services I mean I look at it and go wow you know oh my God that's how
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and go wow you know oh my God that's how
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and go wow you know oh my God that's how you're supposed to do it API management
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you're supposed to do it API management
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you're supposed to do it API management that that our friend mass does um
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that that our friend mass does um
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that that our friend mass does um websites for hosting the web apis we've
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websites for hosting the web apis we've
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websites for hosting the web apis we've got container apps for scalability
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got container apps for scalability
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got container apps for scalability Service Plus for mess okay good they're
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Service Plus for mess okay good they're
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Service Plus for mess okay good they're doing the right things yep but not
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doing the right things yep but not
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doing the right things yep but not connected to the virtual networks ah
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connected to the virtual networks ah
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connected to the virtual networks ah just in platform as a service right okay
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just in platform as a service right okay
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just in platform as a service right okay fine and the organizations said well
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fine and the organizations said well
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fine and the organizations said well that's lovely but compliance regulation
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that's lovely but compliance regulation
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that's lovely but compliance regulation security need it inside the virtual
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security need it inside the virtual
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security need it inside the virtual Network yep makes sense so now you have
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Network yep makes sense so now you have
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Network yep makes sense so now you have to turn on private endpoints exactly so
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to turn on private endpoints exactly so
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to turn on private endpoints exactly so so I I helped them we we because it it
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so I I helped them we we because it it
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so I I helped them we we because it it was um baby steps right let's not just
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was um baby steps right let's not just
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was um baby steps right let's not just throw it all into the virtual Network so
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throw it all into the virtual Network so
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throw it all into the virtual Network so we created a bubble for each environment
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we created a bubble for each environment
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we created a bubble for each environment with its own v-net okay private DNS so
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with its own v-net okay private DNS so
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with its own v-net okay private DNS so that makes sense y i see the could test
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that makes sense y i see the could test
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that makes sense y i see the could test it okay yeah tested Atomic all works
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it okay yeah tested Atomic all works
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it okay yeah tested Atomic all works fine yep so we've got several of these
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fine yep so we've got several of these
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fine yep so we've got several of these environments and they're all working
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environments and they're all working
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environments and they're all working fine they're all private and inside the
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fine they're all private and inside the
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fine they're all private and inside the network and all the all the good stuff
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network and all the all the good stuff
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network and all the all the good stuff yeah so then the next stage is we want
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yeah so then the next stage is we want
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yeah so then the next stage is we want to plug those virtual networks into the
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to plug those virtual networks into the
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to plug those virtual networks into the hubs
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hubs
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hubs spoke okay yeah of course yeah yeah
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spoke okay yeah of course yeah yeah
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spoke okay yeah of course yeah yeah because now we want to be able to talk
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because now we want to be able to talk
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because now we want to be able to talk to them and everything talks between
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to them and everything talks between
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to them and everything talks between each other and maybe from the cloud to
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each other and maybe from the cloud to
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each other and maybe from the cloud to on Prem exactly yep now before we start
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on Prem exactly yep now before we start
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on Prem exactly yep now before we start plugging things together the customer
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plugging things together the customer
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plugging things together the customer has only one thing really in Azure they
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has only one thing really in Azure they
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has only one thing really in Azure they have vdi as your virtual machines
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have vdi as your virtual machines
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have vdi as your virtual machines virtual desktops and they have Dev box
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virtual desktops and they have Dev box
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virtual desktops and they have Dev box uhhuh now both of those people are
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uhhuh now both of those people are
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uhhuh now both of those people are logging into with their domain
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logging into with their domain
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logging into with their domain credentials yeah and they're using those
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credentials yeah and they're using those
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credentials yeah and they're using those machines to access on Prem Services yeah
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machines to access on Prem Services yeah
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machines to access on Prem Services yeah um across a VPN link okay everything
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um across a VPN link okay everything
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um across a VPN link okay everything works y okay so so Rick naively says
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works y okay so so Rick naively says
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works y okay so so Rick naively says well this is going to be easy we'll just
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well this is going to be easy we'll just
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well this is going to be easy we'll just plug things in we need to move the
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plug things in we need to move the
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plug things in we need to move the private DNS zones right so from being a
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private DNS zones right so from being a
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private DNS zones right so from being a bubble we take each of the individual
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bubble we take each of the individual
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bubble we take each of the individual private DNS zones we plug it into the
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private DNS zones we plug it into the
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private DNS zones we plug it into the Hub we make sure the private EMP points
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Hub we make sure the private EMP points
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Hub we make sure the private EMP points register themselves so you have many
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register themselves so you have many
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register themselves so you have many private DNS zes we yeah rather than have
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private DNS zes we yeah rather than have
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private DNS zes we yeah rather than have we could have
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we could have
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we could have so pause tangent I've seen so many
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so pause tangent I've seen so many
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so pause tangent I've seen so many organizations where they go oh well
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organizations where they go oh well
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organizations where they go oh well we'll just connect these private DNS own
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we'll just connect these private DNS own
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we'll just connect these private DNS own to all the different virtual networks
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to all the different virtual networks
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to all the different virtual networks yeah and spaghetti and craziness and shs
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yeah and spaghetti and craziness and shs
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yeah and spaghetti and craziness and shs I see what you really want to do what I
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I see what you really want to do what I
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I see what you really want to do what I did with them is we we put the private
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did with them is we we put the private
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did with them is we we put the private DNS on in the hub and then we put a
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DNS on in the hub and then we put a
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DNS on in the hub and then we put a thing called a private DNS resolver
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thing called a private DNS resolver
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thing called a private DNS resolver which is a really good really
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which is a really good really
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which is a really good really straightforward Azure service into the
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straightforward Azure service into the
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straightforward Azure service into the Hub okay and um the private DNS resolver
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Hub okay and um the private DNS resolver
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Hub okay and um the private DNS resolver has an IP address and it's inbound
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has an IP address and it's inbound
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has an IP address and it's inbound address right so so we then tell all of
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address right so so we then tell all of
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address right so so we then tell all of my bubbles that instead of using the
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my bubbles that instead of using the
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my bubbles that instead of using the default aure DNS they should use the
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default aure DNS they should use the
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default aure DNS they should use the private DNS
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private DNS
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private DNS resolver when it does the DNS look up
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resolver when it does the DNS look up
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resolver when it does the DNS look up the the request pops out into the Hub
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the the request pops out into the Hub
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the the request pops out into the Hub Network which is connected to all the
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Network which is connected to all the
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Network which is connected to all the private DNS zones so it gets all the
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private DNS zones so it gets all the
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private DNS zones so it gets all the private DNS addresses everything works
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private DNS addresses everything works
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private DNS addresses everything works literally 10 minutes later it's all done
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literally 10 minutes later it's all done
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literally 10 minutes later it's all done Rick's going right absolutely rock on
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Rick's going right absolutely rock on
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Rick's going right absolutely rock on that was easy no problem at all I'm on
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that was easy no problem at all I'm on
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that was easy no problem at all I'm on the jump box in my virtual environment I
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the jump box in my virtual environment I
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the jump box in my virtual environment I can see the virtual environment
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can see the virtual environment
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can see the virtual environment brilliant and the customer say some I
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brilliant and the customer say some I
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brilliant and the customer say some I can't access any of this
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can't access any of this
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can't access any of this stuff H and I went I don't understand
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stuff H and I went I don't understand
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stuff H and I went I don't understand cuz look I can figured it I could
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cuz look I can figured it I could
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cuz look I can figured it I could resolve it yeah
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resolve it yeah
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resolve it yeah look and then I thought hang on and I
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look and then I thought hang on and I
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look and then I thought hang on and I had to look at my Dev loocks and I
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had to look at my Dev loocks and I
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had to look at my Dev loocks and I looked at the IP address of the DNS
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looked at the IP address of the DNS
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looked at the IP address of the DNS server I went isn't that your on Prem
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server I went isn't that your on Prem
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server I went isn't that your on Prem DNS server and they went yeah we
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DNS server and they went yeah we
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DNS server and they went yeah we configure everything with group policy
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configure everything with group policy
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configure everything with group policy with rad yeah it just talks to
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with rad yeah it just talks to
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with rad yeah it just talks to ah
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ah
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ah okay yes and so the problem then so the
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okay yes and so the problem then so the
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okay yes and so the problem then so the the the problem basically is DNS in
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the the problem basically is DNS in
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the the problem basically is DNS in Azure doesn't know about DNS on Prem
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Azure doesn't know about DNS on Prem
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Azure doesn't know about DNS on Prem right and so as I said in the session
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right and so as I said in the session
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right and so as I said in the session today I encountered this is the first
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today I encountered this is the first
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today I encountered this is the first time I'd really hit this problem with a
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time I'd really hit this problem with a
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time I'd really hit this problem with a customer and I thought okay it's just
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customer and I thought okay it's just
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customer and I thought okay it's just it's just this customer it's a simple
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it's just this customer it's a simple
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it's just this customer it's a simple solution you put a thing called a
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solution you put a thing called a
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solution you put a thing called a forwarding rule in the DNS private
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forwarding rule in the DNS private
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forwarding rule in the DNS private resolver in Azure and you say hey if you
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resolver in Azure and you say hey if you
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resolver in Azure and you say hey if you want to look at the domain of Prem go
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want to look at the domain of Prem go
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want to look at the domain of Prem go talk to the IP address DS yeah yeah yeah
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talk to the IP address DS yeah yeah yeah
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talk to the IP address DS yeah yeah yeah fine and in the DNS on Prem you put
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fine and in the DNS on Prem you put
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fine and in the DNS on Prem you put another forwarding rule that says hey if
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another forwarding rule that says hey if
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another forwarding rule that says hey if you want want to know about a go talk to
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you want want to know about a go talk to
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you want want to know about a go talk to that one and just y makes
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that one and just y makes
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that one and just y makes sense which again okay it wasn't 10
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sense which again okay it wasn't 10
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sense which again okay it wasn't 10 minutes because we had then we had to go
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minutes because we had then we had to go
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minutes because we had then we had to go to the guys who ran the active directory
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to the guys who ran the active directory
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to the guys who ran the active directory who ran the domain controlers to upate
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who ran the domain controlers to upate
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who ran the domain controlers to upate the DC but again once we got it working
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the DC but again once we got it working
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the DC but again once we got it working fine got it and I thought okay it's nice
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fine got it and I thought okay it's nice
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fine got it and I thought okay it's nice LED instrument right and the reason I
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LED instrument right and the reason I
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LED instrument right and the reason I put the conference session together is
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put the conference session together is
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put the conference session together is because literally in the 3 weeks
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because literally in the 3 weeks
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because literally in the 3 weeks following that first customer one I had
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following that first customer one I had
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following that first customer one I had three more customers with exactly the
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three more customers with exactly the
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three more customers with exactly the same problem and I'm sat there thinking
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same problem and I'm sat there thinking
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same problem and I'm sat there thinking okay it's always DNS right we should do
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okay it's always DNS right we should do
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okay it's always DNS right we should do something DNS yeah okay that's cool and
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something DNS yeah okay that's cool and
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something DNS yeah okay that's cool and so you managed to solve it but it's
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so you managed to solve it but it's
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so you managed to solve it but it's nontrivial right it's I think yes I
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nontrivial right it's I think yes I
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nontrivial right it's I think yes I managed to solve it it's not complicated
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managed to solve it it's not complicated
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managed to solve it it's not complicated but it's one of those that it's easy to
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but it's one of those that it's easy to
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but it's one of those that it's easy to get tripped up and and I guess the moral
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get tripped up and and I guess the moral
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get tripped up and and I guess the moral of the story here is we've got
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of the story here is we've got
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of the story here is we've got specialists in different areas right but
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specialists in different areas right but
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specialists in different areas right but they don't communicate and they're not
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they don't communicate and they're not
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they don't communicate and they're not sharing knowledge and they don't
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sharing knowledge and they don't
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sharing knowledge and they don't understand the problem spaces of the
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understand the problem spaces of the
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understand the problem spaces of the others which is actually the real
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others which is actually the real
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others which is actually the real problem the heart of this that you and I
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problem the heart of this that you and I
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problem the heart of this that you and I see a lot in organizations talking and
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see a lot in organizations talking and
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see a lot in organizations talking and that's what I was wondering kind of like
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that's what I was wondering kind of like
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that's what I was wondering kind of like almost like a final piece in this in
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almost like a final piece in this in
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almost like a final piece in this in this
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this
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this conversation if I'm a um in an
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conversation if I'm a um in an
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conversation if I'm a um in an organization I'm a networking person in
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organization I'm a networking person in
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organization I'm a networking person in there um and we're now like okay the the
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there um and we're now like okay the the
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there um and we're now like okay the the the org has decided to start using
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the org has decided to start using
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the org has decided to start using cloudy things and now I have to like
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cloudy things and now I have to like
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cloudy things and now I have to like connect the network in the cloud I
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connect the network in the cloud I
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connect the network in the cloud I haven't done that before uh the tool box
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haven't done that before uh the tool box
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haven't done that before uh the tool box is new all right and and we're like for
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is new all right and and we're like for
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is new all right and and we're like for example configuring Diagnostics whatnot
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example configuring Diagnostics whatnot
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example configuring Diagnostics whatnot and sending those networking logs into
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and sending those networking logs into
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and sending those networking logs into something what is a workspace right you
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something what is a workspace right you
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something what is a workspace right you know log analytics workspace I don't
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know log analytics workspace I don't
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know log analytics workspace I don't know what this is um and there are new
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know what this is um and there are new
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know what this is um and there are new tools so how do I networking person uh
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tools so how do I networking person uh
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tools so how do I networking person uh approach this uh if I want to like get
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approach this uh if I want to like get
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approach this uh if I want to like get into it and that's that's that's an
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into it and that's that's that's an
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into it and that's that's that's an interesting question isn't it I mean the
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interesting question isn't it I mean the
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interesting question isn't it I mean the my my my honest answer is well first of
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my my my honest answer is well first of
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my my my honest answer is well first of all talk to the people you work with
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all talk to the people you work with
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all talk to the people you work with because you're going to have a cloud
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because you're going to have a cloud
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because you're going to have a cloud architect and he's going to know about
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architect and he's going to know about
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architect and he's going to know about these things um
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these things um
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these things um secondly you already know about these
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secondly you already know about these
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secondly you already know about these Concepts on Prem we've got our our um
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Concepts on Prem we've got our our um
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Concepts on Prem we've got our our um networking devices they're emitting
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networking devices they're emitting
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networking devices they're emitting Telemetry is probably flowing into
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Telemetry is probably flowing into
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Telemetry is probably flowing into Splunk things like that something so we
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Splunk things like that something so we
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Splunk things like that something so we already know the concepts it's really
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already know the concepts it's really
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already know the concepts it's really what is the cloud analog of those
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what is the cloud analog of those
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what is the cloud analog of those Concepts exactly and there's plenty of
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Concepts exactly and there's plenty of
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Concepts exactly and there's plenty of documentation out there the
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documentation out there the
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documentation out there the documentation can be a bit a bit dense
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documentation can be a bit a bit dense
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documentation can be a bit a bit dense so my recommendation if somebody asked
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so my recommendation if somebody asked
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so my recommendation if somebody asked me the question of how to learn is I
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me the question of how to learn is I
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me the question of how to learn is I said we'll go to Great conferences like
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said we'll go to Great conferences like
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said we'll go to Great conferences like Cloud Brew right people that's where you
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Cloud Brew right people that's where you
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Cloud Brew right people that's where you go to learn you go to community
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go to learn you go to community
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go to learn you go to community conferences like cloud absolutely but
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conferences like cloud absolutely but
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conferences like cloud absolutely but but YouTube's a good source of
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but YouTube's a good source of
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but YouTube's a good source of information as well but the big moral is
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information as well but the big moral is
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information as well but the big moral is you know what you just got to talk to
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you know what you just got to talk to
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you know what you just got to talk to your colleagues because the developers
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your colleagues because the developers
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your colleagues because the developers probably have ideas and know about the
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probably have ideas and know about the
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probably have ideas and know about the Azure Services the networking guys know
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Azure Services the networking guys know
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Azure Services the networking guys know about the things that are going to trip
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about the things that are going to trip
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about the things that are going to trip you up if you can have that conversation
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you up if you can have that conversation
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you up if you can have that conversation The Architects are going to have an
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The Architects are going to have an
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The Architects are going to have an opinion on how this lot should be
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opinion on how this lot should be
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opinion on how this lot should be plugged together and then last but not
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plugged together and then last but not
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plugged together and then last but not least the security guys because they
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least the security guys because they
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least the security guys because they need to think about well you know do we
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need to think about well you know do we
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need to think about well you know do we want to start exposing things to the
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want to start exposing things to the
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want to start exposing things to the cloud are there do we need to keep
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cloud are there do we need to keep
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cloud are there do we need to keep certain things in an enclave on prayer
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certain things in an enclave on prayer
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certain things in an enclave on prayer if you just plug these two together what
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if you just plug these two together what
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if you just plug these two together what happens right so it's all about that
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happens right so it's all about that
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happens right so it's all about that sort of regular Meeting of Minds
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sort of regular Meeting of Minds
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sort of regular Meeting of Minds workshops team meetings trying to
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workshops team meetings trying to
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workshops team meetings trying to encourage regular contact between those
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encourage regular contact between those
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encourage regular contact between those different teams and not just in a sort
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different teams and not just in a sort
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different teams and not just in a sort of oh it's our monthly standup what are
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of oh it's our monthly standup what are
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of oh it's our monthly standup what are you working on I'm doing this any
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you working on I'm doing this any
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you working on I'm doing this any blockers no right on to the next I see I
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blockers no right on to the next I see I
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blockers no right on to the next I see I see and that makes sense you have to
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see and that makes sense you have to
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see and that makes sense you have to yeah you have to work the problem and
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yeah you have to work the problem and
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yeah you have to work the problem and together preferably well that was uh
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together preferably well that was uh
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together preferably well that was uh excellent thank you very much Rick for
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excellent thank you very much Rick for
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excellent thank you very much Rick for being on the cloud show today and good
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being on the cloud show today and good
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being on the cloud show today and good luck with the the gig the Zur UK gig
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luck with the the gig the Zur UK gig
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luck with the the gig the Zur UK gig thank you you much right thanks and uh
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thank you you much right thanks and uh
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thank you you much right thanks and uh audience I will see you the next time on
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audience I will see you the next time on
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audience I will see you the next time on the cloud show
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