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Prince Harry will not be joined by wife Meghan and his two children during the royal's UK visit next week. Speculation has surrounded the forthcoming UK trip in recent days, with the Duchess of Sussex, Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet now confirmed to be staying in the US. It had been suggested that the family would join the Duke of Sussex in London next week, with sources saying no decision has yet been made on whether they will join for the remainder of his five-day UK visit. 00:00 - Nick Ferrari hears from Alexander Larman - Journalist & Author of 'Lazarus' & 'Windsors at War', and social commentator Narinder Kaur. 07:25 - Caller Sarah says Prince Harry has already made it 'very clear' why he needs security. 12:37 - Caller Anita says Prince Harry is still part of the Royal Family, and therefore needs protection. 14:54 - Caller Pamela wants Nick to 'grasp the orchestration of the right wing media and social media' and their role in the whole saga. 17:59 - Caller Amanda doesn't see why a family matter is being discussed publicly. Listen to the full show on the all-new LBC App: https://app.af.lbc.co.uk/btnc/thenewlbcapp #lbc #nickferrari #princeharry #royalfamily #buckinghampalace #ukpolitics #uknews #debate LBC is the home of live debate around news and current affairs in the UK. Join in the conversation and listen at https://www.lbc.co.uk/ Sign up to LBC’s weekly newsletter here: https://l-bc.co/signup
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Narendra Kaur is a broadcaster and social commentator
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Do you love the royals and if so, how much? Good morning. Good morning, Nick. Thank you for having me on
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I used to love the royals, but I think their behaviour towards Prince Harry
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and to Meghan Sussex has been appalling. And I've lost a lot of love for the royal family
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If the king, the unifier of the country, cannot unify his own family
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and can't even see his grandchildren when visiting America, I don't have a lot of respect for the king right now
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Do you think in any way Prince Harry is in some part
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the author of his current family misfortunes? No, not at all. He is a prince of this country
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He is him and his children of 5th, 6th and 7th in line to the throne. He is the son of a king. He is the brother of the future king
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And he did two tours of Afghanistan. He fought for this country. He killed, according to him and his book
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25 members of the Taliban and the FBI followed up on intelligence that he was a target
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that he is at risk of death, not only from al-Qaeda, but also from far-right organisations here in Britain
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him and his wife. Now, why the king cannot, why they can't be given security, police protected security
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I can't understand why people aren't up in arms about this. But he's no longer a working royal, is he
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Well, actually, he is a working royal, I would say. He does a lot on the world scene
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He's still using his platform. He does a lot of good. And this is for the Invictus Games
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This is for soldiers, wounded soldiers. And the fact is, if he's on British soil
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if he can't bring his own children who are 6th and 7th in line to the throne
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because their lives are at risk and rather have not done a risk assessment
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I think there's a lot of questions there because God forbid if anything happened. Can you imagine
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if anything happened? Well, no, I can't even contemplate that. Noreen, stay on the line, if you
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would. I want to bring someone else into the conversation. Alexander Laman is a journalist and author of Lazarus
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and Windsor's at War. Can you clarify, is Prince Harry a working royal, thus entitled to
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protection, in your view? Good morning. Good morning, Nick. No, Prince Harry
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is not a working royal, despite what Noreen did, my thing, because in order to be a working royal
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you actually have to be a member of a royal family. And given that Harry and Meghan
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essentially staged their own abdication, and went to Montecito several years ago
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they now operate essentially as private citizens. Now, whatever you might think of Harry and Meghan
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I'm certainly not as big a fan as Narendra, there is no doubt whatsoever that Harry especially
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does perform a lot of good works and that he is obviously coming over to Britain
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at a time that he's going to be doing this valuable stuff for Invictus
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I think the difficulty is, is that a lot of what they have done as laying into the royal family
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his extraordinary autobiography spare, that they've taken pot shots at the royal family
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Meghan, of course, referring to the racism of the royal family in her equally extraordinary April Winfrey interview from 2021
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All the goodwill has been burnt through. There is absolutely no sense anymore from the royal family
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that they want to put up with having pot shots taken at them. So the thing that we're going to watch over the next few days
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is Harry is being put up for a night at Buckingham Palace. He will probably have a reconciliation with his father
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who apparently, it is not like the relationship between him and Prince William
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Apparently the two are in touch. It's not going to be a sort of dramatic affair
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Apparently they speak reasonably regularly. So it will be interesting to see how it all pans out this week
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What about the argument put forward by Narendra? We'll go back to it in a moment. The king did visit the United States, but no meeting with his grandchildren
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who from my records are right, he last saw in 2022. 2022? It's a long time ago
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That's the last time that Meghan was in the country as well, for the Queen's funeral. Could he have gone via California, do you think, Alexander, or is that a bit wistful thinking
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Well, I think the nature of a trip was it was such an East Coast centric trip where he had to go to New York and Washington
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But every single royal state visit of that kind is so carefully planned
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Now, if Harry had wanted to come over to the East Coast and to have seen his father, then I'm sure time would have been made
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Because obviously the last time that Harry was in Britain, he saw his father
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and the understanding was that it was a private meeting but nothing would be briefed to the press
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Of course it was briefed to the press in the end, so there's an understandable level of suspicion, shall we say
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Back to you in a moment. Let's last chat with Narendra Carr. Compare and contrast, you have one boy, William
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who's married to a woman who took on cancer very stoically and really didn't make much of it and does all the charity work
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and goes and opens the hospitals and everything else and sort of plays the family line and is always there
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And you have another brother who's married a woman who's tried to get into everything from jam to video diaries
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and deals with Netflix and whatever else it might be. No, Nick, that's incredibly unfair
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Is it? She did so much good, actually, when the Grenfell Tower. She was involved with all the victims of Grenfell Tower
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Prince Harry and Meghan Sussex could have done so much for this country. They were thrown to the wolves
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where Prince Andrew was given so much protection, let's not forget. In what way were they thrown to the wolves
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They were thrown to the wolves. There was a lot of racism
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Prince Archie was compared to a chimpanzee That was appalling And as I recall the broadcaster lost his job I think That one example I don have all day to give you so many examples
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Megan Sussex has suffered racism. If she's telling you she's suffered racism, please believe her
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because why would she be lying? And that's getting away from the topic, because the journalist there..
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Some would say... Lastly, some would say, and the biographer Tom Bauer would say
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because she does at times suggest she likes to play the victim card, Narendra
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Well, then we could say, look, we could say that we could say Prince William and Princess Catherine are very lazy
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We could all throw accusations around and we could all spend all day doing that
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That takes away from the point. The fact is Prince Harry is the son of the monarch
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His grandchildren, his children are unable to visit their own country because this country is unable to provide them security
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I think it's appalling. Narendra Carr, thank you, broadcaster. and social commentator. Last word to Alexander
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Laman and I'll reference Alexander's books at the end of this conversation. Do you see a day
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when Meghan and the children will come back to the United Kingdom, just for a visit, not to live
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here, but for a visit? Well, apparently they're supposed to be coming to Birmingham over the next few
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weeks, the next few days, and it's perfectly possible. I mean, there is no
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reason why Meghan Markle or Meghan Sussex, as Nguyen might call her
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could not come to Britain. But if her security is compromised in London
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surely, Alexander, it could be compromised in Birmingham, couldn't it? But what I don't..
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What I don't understand, I mean, if somebody could point this out to me, I'd be very grateful, is that they have private security. I don't see why the private security that they are paying a lot of money for, which they've got from Netflix and various other companies, why they need to have extra taxpayer-funded security when they come over here, because they have the same level of security
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I mean, obviously, if Harry is staying in a royal palace, as he will be staying in Buckingham Palace, he's given extra security because it is a royal residence. Otherwise, he will have, his family will have, the security that they pay a lot of money for
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Alexander Larmond's books are Lazarus and Windsor's at War. Thank you, journalist and author. Thanks also to Rinda Carr
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How much do you care and why? If she comes to Birmingham, she doesn't come to London
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Sarah in Tavistock. Do you care? If so, how much and why? Good morning
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Hi, good morning. Hello. Hi. Yes, I do care. And I care greatly
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Not about the fact that he's coming back. Right. But about the fact he doesn't feel safe to bring his children into this country
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And as your social commentator said, that's a reflection on what's going on here
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And I'm not talking about people, because with everything that was going on with Markle, there has been, you know..
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Sorry, when you say everything that's going on with Markle... No, no, no, I'm saying everything that is going on with the newspapers in the country
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That's what I care about, because I don't think it has nothing to do with Meghan Markle and what she said and when in the interviews
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I do strongly believe that he and he made it very clear
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he needs the extra security why do you imagine he needs that why do you imagine he needs that security
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I'm coming to it now I believe he needs that and I think he made it very clear
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when he was here doing his court trials to protect his children from paparazzi and from newspapers
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from paparazzi absolutely just look at the fever that him coming over has caused
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on social media right now. The amount of fake pictures that are going around
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of his children on Facebook, on, you know, the discussion that we are having right now
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He created... But the paparazzi won't be supplying those photographs. Well, whoever is..
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But if they're fake on social media, there'll be, I don't know, people sitting in their bedrooms
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or sitting in their front rooms just having sport by putting out totally erroneous images
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So that's not... That's not... But that, Sarah, that's... But that's not, by its very definition, that's not the paparazzi, is it
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No, I agree with you. What I'm saying to you, that's just before he came over
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Now, imagine the fever that is going to be caused when he actually brings his children over
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and the people that are going to try to get a picture of them and put them on social media or on the front of the newspaper
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I'm sorry, I'm sorry. The Princess of Wales completed, I think it's called
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the Three Peaks Challenge on the weekend, and her parents were there and her brother..
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No, hold on, let me finish. And photographs were taken of them. That's a future king with his wife, her first real physical challenge since she's beaten cancer
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with her parents and all the children. There's no frenzy there. No, Nick, that's completely disagree
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They chose, because they're working royals, they chose their children. They released the pictures of their children
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Haven't you solved it? You can't be a little bit pregnant. You can't be a working..
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They're not working royals. No, Nick, listen to me very carefully, because I know you are against him
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I'm not against him. Oh, you are. No, I've met him. He's a charming young man. He's just lost his way, as young men do
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I don't believe he lost his way. I think this country made him lost his way. OK, when he wrote his book, can I ask you this
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How wise was it to talk about killing Taliban as if they were pieces on a chessboard
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OK, don't mix the two points together. Would you answer that question, Sarah
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How wise would it, and I have to tell you, it attracted considerable criticism from military top brass
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who say you don talk about killing other personnel in that fashion They not chess pieces So how wise was that I asked you a different question I wonder if you be kind enough and then I answer yours but if we could deal with it chronologically how wise was that
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He is taking responsibility for his actions by coming without the extra protection
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No, no. How wise was it to talk about killing other, I would assume men, there might have
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been women, I don't know, other men as if they were chess pieces. It was his free will. He has put himself in this position. However, he served the country
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he served the country like many other soldiers. No, he's very brave. He's a very brave man
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He was very brave. Yes, he was. And he said that not to talk about it now
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he doesn't deserve a protection, that's a separate point. But don't you see..
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Not that I was ever brave. If I suddenly started talking about how I'd killed, I don't know
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ISIS insurgents or something, well, if I brought that into the public arena
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it's not very wise, is it? No, have you actually read the book
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Because I read the book. And it talks about the thought it had of his mental health
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Yes, I have read the book. Yes, of course I do. To help the other soldiers, to explain the..
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I don't... That passage where he talks about them going down like chess pieces
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I don't know that that was to help... Yes, but he's also putting it in a context of... I don't want to talk about his book
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I quote, talk about the protection. And the bottom line is he's not afraid of facing those people coming by himself
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He's not asking for the extra protection for himself. He's asking for the extra protection for his children
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It's the children here we are talking about, And the fact that you are saying he doesn't deserve the extra protection for his children
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will create a completely isolated condition for him in America. Lastly, Sarah, he's not a working royal
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It does not matter. Well, it does. You cannot sell Metropolitan Police Protection to the highest bidder
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Forgetting for a second that grandchildren of the king, why can't we put it like grandchildren of the king are given extra protection so they can see the grandfather
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Because the decision has been, and I don't take the decision, by the way, the decision has been he's not a working royal
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Sarah, thank you. Anita's in Manchester. Anita, where do you go on this? How much do you care? Good morning
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Oh, hi. Good morning, Nick. I care as much as I think everybody should be treated as equally as possible
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And Prince Harry still is part of the royal family, as is his wife and the two children
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Now, Prince Andrew is also part of the royal family with all the scandal that we've heard
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Prince, Andrew Mountbatten, he's no longer a prince. Do you mean Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, yeah
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Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he, I'm sure, has had some form of protection
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or some guard when he's been up and down and he's not a working royal anymore
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but he still has, I'm sure, some favours here and there. Sorry, I'm confused
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Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, are you saying? yes? Yes Nick you know I'm saying that because you've repeated it twice
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no no but I'm confused as to you saying he yes he still does because he was driven to and from a police station
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in the Thames Valley by police officers in a Range Rover that's right
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I saw that footage yeah prior to that when the accusations were going on with the
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Epstein files unfortunately whether it's true or not we'll never know but the bottom line is I do think
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Prince Harry should be given some form of protection. He is a royal, whether he lives in Timbuktu
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Blackpool, or Westminster. OK, yes. Even though many people have said he's decided effectively to put himself in exile
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Well, I believe, Nick, he's put himself in exile because it's been a hostile environment
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from the world toward, more so, probably his wife. And not so much as children, because they're innocent
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they don't know what's going on. But the hostility from the public
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and the papers and whoever else towards his wife and himself he's felt, I suppose, to protect his wife
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from all what she's not felt I'm sure she's not felt welcome. I mean, God rest her soul, Princess Diana
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what a beautiful human being taken far too soon and he lost his mother
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and Prince Charles honestly carries on with his life with his new wife
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and no thought for how Harry and William are thinking. Anita, thank you
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Pamela in Yorkshire. Pamela, what do you say? Good morning. Good morning, Nick
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Sorry that you took me by surprise there. I'm a little bit amazed, Nick, that you seem not to quite grasp the severity of what the internet
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and the posts on the internet, the right-wing press, the orchestrations, you can say that to me
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I'm entitled to my free speech as well as you and Mr Farage
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This has been orchestrated against the royal family, against certain celebrities, against lefties
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against everybody for ten years. You're an intelligent man. You don't probably spend most of your life on the internet
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I would imagine. You probably haven't seen it. I suggest that as an intelligent man
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you go and have a very good look at what is going on on social media
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because it is appalling. Don't you think at times social media is an open sewer
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I think that at times is a kind way of saying it So why would I want to stare into an open sewer Because I think that as an intelligent man and obviously educated man
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it's incumbent on you and other people to go and see what is going on
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because only then can you truly see the effect of it. Then, honestly, I really want to hear
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what you think is going on then, Pamela, as you interpret it. As I interpret it, I was threatened online
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I was threatened by what I believed were all real people. As it turned out, it was a couple of real people
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The rest of them, I find out... What had you done? I was threatened because I said
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I think there are too many flags going up. That was about that
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So I was threatened. I was called a nonce protector. I was called a traitor
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I had comments saying that I should be hung. OK. That's awful, and no-one should endure that
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But as regards the conversation we're having about Harry and his family
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What does the experience you've had there, how does that play into that conversation? Okay, because
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I think that when people aren't aware of the fact that a lot of these comments and things
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aren't artificially kind of created and perpetuated throughout the internet. Look, Nick, I'm a fairly intelligent
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woman, and I went from having no thoughts at all about Harry and Meghan
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to absolutely loathing her. And when I came away and I realised
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hang on a minute, there's something wrong here. Right. I kind of realised, my God, my mind has been played with online
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and I was ashamed of myself. And I'll hold my hands up, Nick, as well as the same has happened
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I'm a gay woman and I also almost started kind of actively making comments myself
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and inputting comments about gay and transgender people. That's how these things get into people's brains
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Pamela, look after yourself. I was going to say I've enjoyed our conversation. I haven't because you've obviously been desperately rattled by your experiences
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which I'm afraid really redoubles my efforts not to get too involved in social media
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But I'm going to be well. Thank you. This conversation will continue. Amanda, how much do you care? Good morning
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Well, I care about the royal family deeply. I think they are extraordinary in terms of their devotion and, you know
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that they're just their presence really in terms of what it is to this nation
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i know a lot of people would argue with that but you know for harry i am i just feel you know the
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decisions are made it can't be justified to provide him with the level of protection that he wants
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they have got loads of money what is the problem if he wants to come here and with his wife and
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children then he can pay for it i don't understand why this has to become such a big public issue
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which actually looks very bad in terms of our royal family. The argument being, of course
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and I take on board what some of my other callers have said, we are talking about someone who happens to be, in some instances
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the grandchildren of a king. So why shouldn't the same be afforded to them
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Well, I mean, personally, I wouldn't like to see him become king
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But that doesn't ever matter. No, he is the king. No, no, the grands..
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So, these are King Charles' grandchildren, so should they not be... And it is a very poor point that one of my callers made
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which is that when Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor was summoned to a police station concerning allegations
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which he vehemently denies, he was driven to and from in a police Land Rover or Range Rover
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by detectives. So, if we're doing that for AMW, why aren't we doing it for the King..
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It's what many people would say. Why aren't we doing it for the King's grandchildren? Well, personally, I don't think we should have provided..
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No, I agree with you. for Prince Andrew. I mean, this is..
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I think the thing that really makes me so angry is this is basically, you know
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hanging out your dirty washing. And I don't know why he, as an individual
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can't have more pride and dignity to have a public scrap about issues like this
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He has at all intents and purposes that exited the royal family. Yes
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And now, because he wants to come home and see his family
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which is a personal matter, it's not an official visit, that we have this up for
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which, again, looks really bad in terms of our own royal family. It just annoys me incredibly
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He can afford it. What's the problem? Amanda, thank you. Let's show a little of what's coming in on the emails and the texts
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Social media, Sarah and Tower Hamlets. The Princess of Wales managed to climb up and down three mountains
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across three countries to raise money for the Royal Marsden without any fuss, almost anyone noticing
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Why can't Harry and Meghan just get a private jet and make a private, discreet visit to his mother's grave
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They're just all about publicity and drama. Same subject. This is Maria embarking
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Harry and Meghan have their own security. Why should they get extra taxpayer security
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Their lives are not in that danger. Plus, if you're staying at Brackenham Palace, you'll get security while there
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They always want more, and all the things they said about our royal family is disgusting
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Harry gave up at his entitlements when he decided to walk away. This comes in from Barry in Bucknell, Oxford
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If Harry needs some extra security, get him to have a word with Nigel Farage
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She seems to have it sorted. That's a clever line. That is a clever line
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And you've brilliantly leaked us in. Thank you very much, Barry and Bucknell. You can be Milk Monitor for the whole week
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