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Nick Ferrari hears from callers across the UK following disorder in Belfast and growing debate over immigration, policing and public safety. 00:00 | Anne-Marie: 'riots won't solve immigration concerns' 03:22 | Shaun, who's a former serviceman says politicians need deterrence, community engagement and practical solutions rather than rhetoric 05:46 | Kim, a black mother, says police should use stop-and-search more frequently 07:09 | Martin challenges Kim's position, warning against racial profiling, which sparks a debate between the two 11:24 | Mark says the political establishment is failing to address public worries 13:26 | Janine describes how someone could potentially enter the UK via Ireland without facing border checks 16:32 | Rob, an ex-police officer, says stop-and-search is an effective policing tool and should be used more often 19:35 | John argues we need stronger punishment for those caught carrying weapons 21:31 | Brian, who lives in Belfast, says 'local politicians fuelled the riots' 24:33 | Dan compares the case to one in Canada and explains what they did differently that worked 26:39 | Murdo: 'anger grows when people see no action'. Listen to the full show on the all-new LBC App: https://app.af.lbc.co.uk/btnc/thenewlbcapp #nickferrari #belfast #riots #belfastattack #politics #ukpolitics #uknews #ukcrime #stopandsearch #immigration #debate #lbccallers #knifecrime #northernireland #LBC LBC is the home of live debate around news and current affairs in the UK. Join in the conversation and listen at https://www.lbc.co.uk/ Sign up to LBC’s weekly newsletter here: https://l-bc.co/signup
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Morning, Nick. What needs to happen now is all these thugs need to be put back in their place
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Right. No, because listen, let's have a realistic conversation, Nick, right? What happened last night was nothing got to do with immigration
0:13
How many knife or stabbing events take place in Northern Ireland every year? I haven't got the number to have this
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I'll tell you, because I looked it up last night, over 200 incidents almost every year, right
0:23
for the last few years, right, that I can get the records for. How many of those, though, let's say that would lead to possibly about 100 incidents after taking place so far this year
0:32
I think when you see the alleged events and the alleged attempted beheading of someone on the streets
0:38
by someone who's got into the country illegally, allegedly by someone, that is going to cause..
0:43
What about the white people, Nick? Anne-Marie, let's stop with the what aboutery and just respond to that
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Can you not understand the concerns over what is reported to have gone on
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We are only capable of a social story. Anne-Marie, you have to allow a conversation
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Anne-Marie. No, no, no. This is important. Anne-Marie, can I just ask you to stop
1:03
Come back and answer me. Can I ask you to stop? I'm trying to give you points of facts
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Facts. Right. I do want to hear your point, but you must please allow me to speak
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I will totally allow you to speak if you don't interfere with me
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No, Anne-Marie, Anne-Marie. Do you not understand the concern? Nick, we can have a conversation about immigration
1:25
Of course we can And we can have conversations about concerns Of certain people from certain countries
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Of course we can Do you understand that concern? Of course I do
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Do you understand the concerns that people of colour would have had Against white people when they were going around
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Burning and hanging them, Nick? Do you understand that, Nick? Please don't
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Increasing the volume of your voice does not increase the power of your argument Please don't shout at me
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I'm just saying make my point. You're not allowing me to make my point. Anne-Marie
1:54
how then, because this is not the way, setting fire to buses will achieve nothing
1:58
Of course it's not the way. Did you see the family clean their home last night
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Anne-Marie, so what do the people who have concerns do? Go to
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their local councillors, go to their CDs, go out and have proper
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protest, not tuggery and tuggish behaviours, scumbag behaviour, chasing young families out of their homes, burning them down in front
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of them. Anne-Marie, but that, they would Now here we are this morning having talks about a hard border
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back on the island of Ireland. Anne-Marie, they would say they have tried going to their local authorities
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They have not. They have not. Are you telling me all those young men out there last night
2:30
were up with their local CDs and their local councillors? Give me a break, Nick
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Anne-Marie. Give me a break. Anne-Marie, so those people have not gone to their local councils
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They don't know. Responsible people have, and nothing has changed, Anne-Marie. Well, it's not nothing has changed
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Things are changing. You're just not reporting it. Are the figures going down
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Are the which? Are the immigration figures going down? The immigration figures have dropped, yes, they have, yes
2:53
Yes, they have, yeah. Are you reporting that? No, you're not. You see, no, we are pushing the narrative
2:58
that it is all these people's fault, no matter what. And when they commit a crime, we highlight it to no end
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We spend hours upon hours. So, like I said, my initial point was there are over 200 incidents of stabbings
3:10
in Northern Ireland every year. OK, well, we'd better be careful, because, of course, we have to put the word alleged in there
3:15
because this is still to go before the courts. Anne-Marie, I have enjoyed our conversation, I think
3:20
and thank you for your input. Setting houses alight and burning a bus out
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isn't going to achieve anything, so what needs to happen now, Sean? Good morning. Well, good morning to you and your listeners
3:28
Just to turn down the heat, Nick, I just drove from Mattfield to Gowdurst to Robledon, a beautiful driving camp
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A beautiful part of camp. That turns down the heat. And speaking to your lovely lady on the phone
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saying, 5-4-2-1, barrage-of-line, ready to go. Wonderful. Well, unfortunately, she can't do that
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for the whole of Northern Ireland, so how are we going to achieve this? What do we need to do
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We've had this conversation many times over the 22 years of Codew. I remember Southport
3:51
I rang up and said, turn down the heat. I suggested a forum. In the military, we call it hearts and minds, soft power
3:57
You have to work within the community to find out what's going on. What you don't need is dog whistlers like Farahs whipping it all up
4:04
Like the guy said in Northern Ireland, the guy who was tending to in hospital was probably tending to buy people from overseas
4:08
Yes, I thought it was very much. We have to work within the community. The British Army did it to come on as an empire, for God's sake
4:15
when you've got a problem like radical Islam now you find out moderate imans to work with
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to find out the intelligence to prosecute that's how you do it
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we have got a problem with the boats coming over we know that and you need to come out of the ECHR section 2
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I've looked it up we can derogate from that now it affects public order
4:34
and implement firm controls like Orlando was working we need something like that again
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I suggested the ascension house that will be a deterrent that will stop the boats then you work within that community
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whatever it is to resolve issues like this. It's as simple as that
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It's a proven, tested system. Hearts and power, soft power, hearts and minds
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Lastly, if it's that simple, why would it seem impossible to put into place in this country
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Because politicians, Nick, I'm afraid, have an agenda. Stammer's an internationalist, a human rights lawyer
5:05
and Farage is a neo-nazi, really, a white supremacist. He's a white nationalist
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You need moderation. I like the sound of the Home Secretary, Shemina Mahmood
5:14
She seems to have a grasp of her brief now. But you need to have clarity in mind within politicians who come together
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And the deterrence needs to be put in place. And that will be a Rwanda style of deterrence
5:26
Enjoy your time in the Garden of England, God's Own Land of Kent. Sean, thank you. We come to Eareth, which is on the borders, actually, of Kent and South East London
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where we're going to talk about Stop and Search. Kim, standing by. Kim, you're on the radio. What can you tell me
5:37
Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Thanks for having me. Not at all. I am a mother. I'm calling from a different point of view because I'm a black woman
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I am a mother of two boys. And I totally agree with the stop and search
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I think we need to remove this race thing out of the way because everything is always about race
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Oh, we're stopping too many black people. Oh, we're going to have officers just setting everybody and the racist
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I think we need to just get all of this out of the way. And we need to, if you see boys, especially young black boys, because at the end of the day, statistically speaking, they are a higher risk of a chance of carrying knives and whatever around
6:21
That is the fact. And we need to stop the nonsense. And at the end of the day, as a black mother, I don't even, I am one of these mothers, I don't even want my kids to leave the house
6:31
Just to support you, black male youths comprise 6% of London's population
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However, when it comes to being caught carrying knives, they represent 14% of the population
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So it's more than double. Just to give us some numbers to what you're saying. And I think, to be quite honest with you
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they are speaking from what I know, Nick, as a black woman, and about lots of other black women who have children
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We all work in the care system. Some of us are nurses. I am a maternity nurse A lot of people are nurses And you know what happens when you work in this job You agree with what Kemi Badenock is saying that right
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100%. So stay on the line, stay on the line if you would, Kemi. Martin in Birmingham, you don't
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Explain to Kemi why you think Kemi Badenock is right, Martin. Good morning, sir
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Well, I don't really necessarily want to explain to everybody, you know. you see um i don't agree with it because um we wouldn't we wouldn't promote stopping somebody
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just because of the quality of their skin when it comes to any other race do you know i mean you
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see because for example our pedophiles in this country are white men we wouldn't say
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poor white men the phones just in case they got child punk child sexual things on their phone
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images sexual images that that wouldn't be accepted in this country white people wouldn't
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accept that yeah the majority of on on the um counter-terrorists are muslims over 40 000 we
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wouldn't say based on somebody's color of their skin and they've got a beard we should harass and
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stop asian people everything needs to be i don't know if it's quite on that random level but let's
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bring martin don't go kim who's decided to tell us that she is a black woman with black children
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with black children how do you act what martin is saying kim i do understand what martin is saying
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but we have a knife problem. What we're facing in London right now is real
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And at the end of the day, really and truly, these boys need to be stopped and searched
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It's the only way. They don't even have any respect for the law, any respect for the police
8:33
I am afraid of walking sometimes in London and seeing a group of black boys all together
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with all their black hoodies and all their face covered. And sometimes I am afraid going down the..
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Even in the train station when they gather, And I am a black woman. How do you respond, Martin? What would you say to Kim
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Well, as I said, black, being black isn't a crime and it shouldn't be treated as a crime
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No one's saying it's a crime, Martin. How would you respond to what Kim says
9:03
She herself sometimes feels intimidated. Why would you not want to try and ensure that those black lads don't resort to stabbing each other
9:12
Majority of black kids are stabbed by black kids, OK? The majority of white kids are stabbed by white kids
9:21
The majority of Asian kids are stabbed by Asian kids. That's the fact of the matter
9:26
So therefore, don't we want to prevent white kids from being stabbed then
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So therefore, when it says 40%... I'm going to have to give you the numbers again
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6% Black Ews represent 6% of the population in London. 14% of those carrying knives
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Kim is right to say something needs to be done, Martin. And the fact that you say, well, why don't we do this with Muslim men
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Why don't we do this with white men and paedophiles? Why are you dodging the fact that black kids are dying
9:52
I'm not dodging the fact, but the fact of the matter is, right, we keep on complaining in the country about Tuté in the country
9:58
So if you want to just target black people just because they're black, then that's also promoting Tuté policing
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which we're saying that there's no Tuté policing. All right, let's have a final word from Kim
10:09
How do you educate your own children about the dangers of being a ridiculous idea of carrying a knife, Kim
10:17
I think the good thing is, thankfully, we are brought up in a Christian household
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And I think having morals and basically teaching your kids early about morals and discipline is very important
10:30
And I think it's... And getting your children, very importantly, getting your children in lots of activities
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Sadly, a lot of the youth these days, as I was trying to make that point earlier on
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they work in healthcare, They work very, very long hours. They do not have the opportunities of going to clubs
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and all these different things that we can actually get these young people into. And so they are left to their own devices and do whatever they want
10:55
because their mums and their dads are working overtime in the hospital
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12, 14-hour shifts, and no one is at home tending to the children
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I've got to go, but Kim, I've got to tell you, so much support for what you're saying from my listeners
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OJ says, well said that woman. Sean says, make this mother an MP
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She's got common sense. Kim, you've got a lot of fans out there. Thank you so much for having me
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You have a good day in Eareth, and I look forward to speaking again. I don't think I need to tell you to look after the family
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because I can see you were very committed. Kim, thanks for your input. The politicians need to listen to what they've been told repeatedly
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over many, many years, understand what they're being told, and act... What are they being told, sir
11:35
They're being told that the public do not want this level of immigration uncontrolled, unchecked, unreviewed
11:44
and they want it slowed down. Well, the Liberal left, a little bit later today or tomorrow
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will come out and say, no, no, no, that's not right, everything is under control, there's nothing to see here
11:56
this was just some far-right thugs who decided to carry out these attacks
12:00
How would you respond? Well, they're lying, basically. The first reaction out of their mouths is to shriek far-right
12:08
And it's a deflection from answering the actual question. It's not a new question, it's not a new reaction
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but they are not addressing the perceived problem. What would you like to hear later today from our Prime Minister
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I would like to hear the Prime Minister condemn the violence committed by the criminal
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He has said that, in fairness to the man, I've got the quote
12:34
Here, let me just tell you exactly what he said. I have absolutely no tolerance for abhorrent scenes of violence like this on our streets
12:40
I utterly condemn the violence we've seen overnight in parts of Northern Ireland
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So he has said that, but those, for me, are just words, words, words, or blah, blah, blah, as Peter Thunberg would say
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Totally agree with you. But he's got full tolerance for an immigrant trying to..
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Well, let's be careful. We don't, because we can't pause there, Mark
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because obviously I know you would not want to prejudice any trial. So let's just finish now
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How concerned are you that it could spread? Lastly, Mark. Yes, very
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I obviously don't want it to spread. We have politicians to deal with this stuff
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We have a democracy. That's what they're for. But they're obviously missing the mark
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They're not addressing the problem. Mark says they're missing the mark as a first time
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I appreciate your call, Mark. First time, first class. Give us another call. You're on the radio, Janine
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What are you going to tell me? Good morning. Hi, Nick. First time caller
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How lovely to have you on, Janine. Thank you so much. How long have you been listening, by the way, to this show
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Oh, I think I started listening to you during Covid. Oh, right, OK. Yes, and just my morning ritual
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Oh, bless you. Oh, thank you so much for calling in. And I kept ready on the morning to see you on the radio
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Great. I just wanted to, first of all, I just want to say I'm not totally anti-immigration
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and what's happening in Belfast is appalling, and there's no excuse for it
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But I married to a German national We live in England and he has settled status Very recently we travelled to Dublin for a trip Now on the way back our airline had asked
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for my husband to have an electronic travel authorisation, which he doesn't need
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because he has settled status. So the process is that he has a share code
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with the immigration and we show it to border controls, which confirms his status
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to come back to the country. Our airline didn't seem to have
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tick box so i was ready with the share code it's no point in applying for another electronic travel
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authorization because obviously europeans have to have it now to come to england right so any
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european who's coming from dublin back to england would need an eta but he doesn't because he's got
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status right so when we got to our final destination i was ready with my share code to go
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through border control but the plane landed in the domestic arrivals hall, no border controls
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So somebody from Europe could travel to Dublin which is also in Europe because we met friends
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over there who were from Germany and they did not need an electronic travel authorization to go to
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Dublin because it's in Europe and then obviously they could and they really have traveled from
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Dublin to the UK without passing any border controls whatsoever. And that's exactly
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what this suspect has done? Yes. Yeah, which is, you know, obviously
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that is a massive loophole, isn't it? But how is it to be resolved
15:26
lastly, Janine? Well, I think, you know, I always panic, you know
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going on travel, you know, will he get back in? You know, we panic
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Obviously no. Yes, you know, I think that any travel from Europe
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whether it be from Ireland to the UK, should pass passport control
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Everybody's used to it. That would mean we put a border, and you're not the first person to suggest it
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but just lastly, think of the implications of that. We'd need to put a border across the whole of the line
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between Northern Ireland and the Republic. So would the airlines not need to have some sort of input into this
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and check when people are travelling that they've got the correct... You're absolutely right, but in this particular instance
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this suspect obviously took an aircraft to get into Dublin, but once you're in Dublin
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and I've driven across that border quite a few times, I can't even remember how many times now
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because I used to have to cover Belfast during the Troubles, and there's no check at all now
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There's no check whatsoever. Janine, I must have best wishes to your husband
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Thank you again. First time, first class, get it off your chest, get it on the radio
16:32
There should be more stop and search. Unfortunately, I think this is a long-time burner
16:37
The problems that we're facing today, back in the 90s when I was policing in Buckinghamshire
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Oh, right. We used to stop people out and about, and it didn't matter what colour, creed, religion
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wherever they came from, it didn't matter. If they were hanging around in groups, acting suspicious, we were allowed to do our job
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We used to stop and search them. A few months after that, at the time when I was in probation
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I thought I was doing a good job. A few months after that, attended a briefing, and we were told
17:03
you're turning too many Asian people over. Right. We were just turning people over that were out and about on the streets at that time
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potentially causing trouble or hanging around in groups. It didn't matter, like I said, it didn't matter what colour, creed or wherever they came from
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To us, they were people that needed to be stopped and searched
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And like I said, it's a slope. So go back 30-odd years
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Unfortunately, the trust in police has eroded a bit for different things
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But if you just let the police do the job, get them out, stop it and search
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in getting the trust of the people above them as well, the country would be a safer place
17:44
How many years were you in the job? 25 years. 25 years, right
17:49
So let me ask you as an expert and someone who's been brave enough to wear the uniform. I've done some research on this
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And stop and search. In 14% of cases, in 14% of cases
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it has led to the confiscation of a knife, weapon or drugs. In 22% of cases, it's led to either that or caution or some form of police outcome
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I would suggest effectively one in five strike rate is not a bad policing tool
18:14
I totally agree, Nick. There's a fantastic video doing the rounds at the moment on LinkedIn, and it's The Met
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I think they sometimes use LinkedIn to promote their good work, which they're doing day in, day out
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And it's just a very short video on some successes that they've had stopping and searching
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and it's brilliant. So it's good to know that guys and girls
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are out on the streets trying to do that but there should be more of it
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There's too many senior officers in the police and it's not their fault
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but they're not... They don't think they're going to get... They're too..
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I don't want to say scared but they're just not confident that they're policing..
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They want to protect their careers and they want to protect their pensions. Lastly, if we're talking about policing
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what about the men and women over in the PSNI police service of Northern Ireland last night
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You don't envy them that, do you? Well, not at all. But the woman that phoned up and had a conversation with her
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I know you were doing your best for that conversation from the lady from Belfast
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but she was trying to make a point. I mean, she's quite... Over 200 knife crimes
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I bet they want to see more stop and search. Rob, thank you for that
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Have yourself a safe day and thanks for all your years in service
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Yes. John in Hartlepool says, does the research come from the Daily Telegraph
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No, the figures I've just quoted come from City Hall. It's City Hall ysis of the numbers, John
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Jan's in Huddersfield. You're on the radio, Jan. What can you tell me? Good morning. Hello. Just a quick one
19:45
Yes, sir. Again, with them stopping and searching, that's not going to resolve anything
19:53
Why? Why? Because, say, if a police officer stops someone, finds a knife, and then what
19:59
Well, in 14% of cases, it leads to charges. I'm not saying conviction, it leads to charges
20:05
And some of those will almost certainly lead to conviction. There are prison spaces, and people have actually been sent to prison for carrying a knife
20:12
You're not going to carry a knife for no reason. They should be done for, intent to murder, at least
20:18
But, sir, you're not going to discover that knife, of course, unless you search him or her, are you
20:23
Yeah, no, no, but I totally agree with that. But it's like, even now, when I've seen it
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where people are being stopped, searched or whatever, sparring with a knife, nothing happens
20:32
because they haven't got the prison spaces to send them to prison. OK. All right
20:36
Well, I hear what you say in a lot of cases. In 14% of cases, it leads to a charge
20:41
and I would imagine many of those it's probably a conviction. In 22% of cases, it leads to some form of action
20:46
including police caution. But I hear what you say. Our prisons are filled, so it is a fair point you make, Jan
20:50
Thank you. We'll have more on that 8.24. But we talked with Rob a moment or two ago
20:54
their policing in Northern Ireland and the challenges they have in Belfast Here Northern Ireland Chief Constable John Boucher speaking prior to violence breaking out I understand that last night attempt to murder will leave people feeling enraged with emotions
21:08
from fear to anger. But please, please, let the police do their job
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Unfettered and undistracted by wider concerns there may be about disorder. And regrettably, the police doing their job last night
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meant they had to cope with effective riots. Now, quite what those rioters think they will achieve
21:35
by burning a bus, burning wheelie bins and attempting to set fire to houses when people are still inside them is unknown
21:40
But how is calm to be restored? Brian is in Belfast. How close were you to the action last night, Brian
21:45
Good morning. Hi, Nicky. I live in Belfast and close to the areas
21:50
I'm from a unionist and Britain-class background, so I think I've got some sense of what's going on
21:58
How does the city feel this morning, Brian? I think the city, the majority of the city
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is just horrified by the initial incident and by what's happened last night
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And that has been stoked up by unionist politicians from my background who are trying to outdo each other
22:18
in their clickbait against immigration. What sort of things are they saying
22:23
Well, what are they saying? So, for example, yesterday in the House of Commons
22:28
Jim Allister, leader of the TUV, the most extreme unionist party here
22:33
accused the governments of, quote-unquote, importing alien cultures to Northern Ireland. So with your background, Nick, I think you would find that offensive
22:44
I would argue as well that the poor victim in the hospital in Belfast at the moment
22:49
is being attended to by quite probably a number of medical staff from other cultures
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I won't disgrace myself by saying alien cultures. Secondly, members of the DUP, MLAs and MPs took part in a counter-protest against the
23:06
Palestinian march at the weekend. They were in the middle of masked men who were chanting across the C 2 path, stick
23:16
your Palestine up your, and I won't. Right. So imagine if that was Keir Starmer, Andy Birdham
23:25
Kimmy Bednock, the horror that you would have in the mainstream press against that
23:30
So these people are letting a metaphorical touch paper to those last night who wrote the real one
23:36
Lastly on this, not for one moment supporting the action of people who decided to set fire to houses and a bus
23:43
but do you understand people have concern about unchecked, uncontrolled entry to the country
23:48
I absolutely do, but the method of rivalising is totally wrong. So how is their voice to be heard
23:58
Their voice is to be heard by their politicians seeking genuine solutions
24:01
as opposed to just shedding slogans across borders. Are you wholly 100% confident politicians are fully on board with the issues
24:13
They're not on board with slogans, a lot of them. They're not on board with solutions. They're not on board with solutions, Mike
24:21
So we're trying to find measures to control things, to make this a place that's welcome to all, but safe for all
24:28
Look after yourself, Sport. Thank you for the view from someone in the city not far from where the violence was
24:33
From Belfast to Paris. Dan is in Paris. Dan, what can you tell me? Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Thank you for taking my call
24:40
I'm Canadian. And a few years ago, in 2023, we had an incident where three men of fighting age, I think one of your politicians used this term, okay, came into Canada, murdered a Canadian citizen, understanding what they did, fled the country
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Okay. There were no riots. There was no uprising. Because we still have a belief in our politicians
25:10
The government of the day understood what was going on, did not come out with inflammatory remarks
25:17
didn't come out with exaggerated promises. What did they do? Well, that's the thing
25:22
They let the judicial system run its course without impeding it or trying to..
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But the most important thing is the opposition leaders also did the same thing. They did not come out with inflammatory remarks. They didn't come out
25:37
with a prejudgment on what could happen, the origin of the people, and this and that. They
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actually let the system go. And politicians, oppositions, people in government need to be
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calm and not inflame the situation for political recuperation. Because opposition leaders one day
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might actually come into power. And they have to respect the population and, of course, the
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judicial system because what happened in 2023 these three men who came from another country
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a violent country and murdered a canadian and left these three men were white and from manchester
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okay and they could be considered probably anglicans so the canadian justice system did
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not look at their where they came from the color of the skin or what faith they might have right
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And the opposition actually let the judicial system work. Dan, thank you
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I wasn't aware of that story, but it's an interesting comparison or parallel
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Let's go a minute late to the news. Murdo's in Okta Mukti. Good to have you on Murdo. Trust you well. Your point on what we've seen or witnessed in Belfast
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Good morning, Nick. How are you doing today? Thank you, matey. Yes. Yeah, yeah
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No, the trouble with what we saw in Belfast, the politicians have to take a bit of the blame here
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because I heard the Justice Minister of Northern Ireland talking this morning, and pretty quickly
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she got on to right wing, right wing. If people don't like what they're seeing
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and show their anger, they're right wing. And that's fueling the problem. People are angry with the lack of the inaction
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by the political parties to stop the events that we've seen happening
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It's pretty easy, cured, you know, leave the ECHJ, all the ECHR, all these things
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But nothing happens, and people are getting angrier and angrier. At what point are they going to, when are words going to come into actions
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and when are things going to happen to stop events like what we saw in Belfast happening
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Do you think, lastly, there's a real risk that it could spread? Because some people are suggesting we could have a rather testy or bouncy summer
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Yeah, well, you know, you'll see at PMQs today, they'll all be taught, we're going to do this, we're going to do that
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but nothing is happening. And, oh, Tommy Robertson's this or whoever he's called, Yaxley Yenon
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Well, these guys, the way you take the air out of their argument is
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just act, stop things from happening. You know, more words, more words, and it's just
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the whole thing, you're fuelling it up, fuelling it up with total inaction
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