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As tensions in the UK run high following the Unite the Kingdom rally and an unstable government, Iain Dale hears from caller Sam who argues that there is 'no such thing as illegal immigration'. Caller Sam, who is an Albanian Muslim, accuses Iain of being 'very naive' and 'ignorant' over the migrant debate in Britain. He calls out the media for portraying him as the 'worst of the worst' and condemns the people who 'buy' that narrative. Listen to the full show on the all-new LBC App: https://app.af.lbc.co.uk/btnc/thenewlbcapp #iaindale #debate #unitethekingdom #politics #ukpolitics #news #LBC LBC is the home of live debate around news and current affairs in the UK. Join in the conversation and listen at https://www.lbc.co.uk/ Sign up to LBC’s weekly newsletter here: https://l-bc.co/signup
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Hi, Sam
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Hi, Ian. What would you like to tell us? I'd like, I think for us to understand the situation
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there's three things that I want to bring up before I make my point, if that's okay
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Cool. As a white man, to tell people what is racist or what is not racist
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there's no one's going to take your argument seriously as a white man, unfortunately
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So you have to get over that. The difference between... I'm not going to get over it
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When someone accuses me of being racist, when they have no basis for saying that
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You come across sometimes as very naive, even though you're not. Sometimes when you speak, especially around religion and minorities
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I mean, what was the point in bringing up black people when you spoke about the march? Well, because I happened to see on Instagram a video of a black guy
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proudly with the English flag, explaining why he felt patriotically English. and I also saw a Korean guy
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with bacon on his shoulders playing a cello so again you on one hand
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your point is correct there is black people that are going to attend the march
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I saw Iranian flags being waved I saw Israeli flags being waved
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I saw all kinds of different flags Jamaican I saw all kinds of different flags
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well isn't that how it should be? no that's exactly how it should be
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but what is what is the common denominator between all of those people waving those flags
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the naivety the ignorance around the whole religion because it's not about the United Kingdom
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What relevance has the 15th of May got with anybody in the UK
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What was so important about the 15th of May that they had to run a United Kingdom march
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No idea, you tell me. Nothing, it was a neckbath. So again, you say all of these things
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we get it, I'm British as well. When I see the Union Jack, I don't get offended
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when I see the St. George's Cross, I get offended because it's associated
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with nationalism that we grew up with as foreigners to this country
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So now we are British. We sound it. We look it more or less, right
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But when people, because the way we look and the way we sound
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people kind of, you know, relax around you and they'll start talking about politics
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and they'll sound so naive. And when they're talking to you, they don't know that you're a Muslim, they don't know that you're a foreigner, but they will continue, continue, continue, continue, continue
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You will have a great conversation. And then as I leave I will say to him sorry my man like I sure like we had a great conversation but you just sat with an Albanian Muslim for an hour We had a great conversation I didn try to rape your sister I didn try to rape your mom
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A completely normal guy. But the media would portray me as the worst of the worst in this country
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and because so many people will buy it, it's bought, you know
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it's completely accepted, especially within, you know, the public. Well, look, there are elements of the media
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that do play that game and they shouldn't do it. I completely agree with you
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I hope you would agree that... And the right is always associated with the kind of guys in the media that you despise
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so like the jd vans is in the world that you said a minute ago you can't stand jd vans is associated
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with the wet the right side of our media because they could never come and have a genuine conversation
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and interview with the actual media in this country who could hold them account we are led
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by donkeys we can see this at the moment you know like they will go and interview some some stupid
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extremist muslim and get his point of view across and then they will never go and get a moderate
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Muslim. He lives amongst us. I pay £900 a month tax. I worked my butt off, right? And then I
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get this English guy who's fishing on the Devon coast, because that's where I am right now
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Right? And he sits there and he tells me, oh, these migrant hotels, these migrant
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hotels. I said, how many migrant hotels? Because I don't know. I'm not from here. I'm from South London. And I said, how many migrant hotels are there around here
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I think he said there's six. Or something like that. And when I went and looked for it, I couldn't
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find any. So it's like, This guy, his only view of the world is Muslim immigrants bad
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We're paying for it. Everyone is 0.6% of national GDP. It's not even a percent
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It's a percentage point. And we are kicking up a fuss about that
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I think people kick up a fuss. The fact that the taxpayer is having to fund people who come to this country illegally
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often with no grounds for asylum at all. and it shows that the system is not in control of our borders
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and any country has a right to be able to control its borders. OK, every country has a right to control its borders
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We are in control of our borders. Why do you not talk about the reduction in numbers
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that we've got coming into the country right now? I do. I haven't heard you talk about it
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Well you don listen to me all the time then because I have mentioned it OK because you got one in the evenings I don listen to you as much anymore but I heard you before you know you still listen to me all the time then because i have mentioned it okay i i because you come on in the evenings i don listen to you as much anymore but i heard you before you know you listen to all the time you know i actually spoken to you before and i genuinely agree with a lot of the points that you
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that you speak about but this is why i say to you about the racism you come across sometimes that's
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so naive when everybody knows you're not so then the only assumption we can make of that is that
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you're a racist because if you're if you live in this day and age and you can't come to an agreement
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with what is wrong with the world, then unfortunately you're always going to see
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different points of view, but it's not going to be something you can discuss. There's no debate
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There's no debate anymore because one side says something and the other side gets, you know
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arrested and sent a court on these bloody, you know, these crazy Hollywood courts
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Well, you call me naive. I'm called a lot of things, but one of the things that I think I have done
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whether it was when I was doing Drive or on the evening show. It's actually more easier to do on an evening show
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because you can have a longer discussion about things. One of the things that I have tried to do
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is to calm this debate on immigration down and try to encourage people to come onto the programme
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to explain sometimes why they are here, what motivated them to come here in the first place
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what they've achieved since they've been here and what they contribute to the country
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not just the economy, but to society in general. On a few occasions, I've actually done phone-ins where I've said
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I only want to hear from people who came to this country illegally. And I've got a lot of flack for doing that, as you can imagine
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But I think it's important that we don't just talk about this amorphous group
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this anonymous group called immigrants. So therefore, I want people to understand from individual people
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who've come to this country, maybe in dire circumstances, to say, look, everyone's a human being
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Everybody's got the same motivation. Everyone wants to improve the lives of themselves and their family
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And that's the overwhelming majority of people who come to this country, whether they're coming through here legally or not
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Ian, please, this is another thing. Can we not talk about the facts when it comes to these immigrants
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Because once these immigrants become settled in their passport, in their travel document, they don't even have a passport
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they have something called a travel document, It actually tells you no force to public funds
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Like you cannot get public funds. You can't get housing, you can't get benefits
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You don just get these things that they say that These people believe that that what going on Because people believe that what going on Unfortunately you not gonna have a real discussion because they not told facts They made up some lie about oh they getting these houses they getting all these benefits
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they're all driving these mobility cars. Listen, I know more people that are British
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that haven't worked since the minor strike in the 80s that moved over from Wales, right
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And they claim so much benefits. They've never worked a day in their life
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but they live better than all of us, my friend. So it's like, I get what you guys are
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Yeah, and I will... You get shown the rare occasion where some guy
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has come over probably for medical aid. They've probably come over like with a disabled child, right
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And they're not going to come over just with the disabled child. They're going to come over with the whole kids
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You're not going to put a child who's going through medical care in some, you know, studio flat
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You're going to put them in a house. And we get it. It looks bad in the media when these people
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these frustrated people that are fed up with the country because we're not, these are just scapegoats
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And they're not called that. They're called illegal immigrants. But all they are are scapegoats
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because there shouldn't be no such thing as illegal immigration. What is that? This is only happening because of what's going on in the world
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not because it's so welcoming here. It's not that nice here, Ian. Let's be real, my friend
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I'd much rather live in a nice, warm country. But you know what I'm saying? We all got to work hard, and everybody does
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But like I said, I pay £900 a month tax. I'm frustrated as well
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but I'm not stupid enough to sit there and blame illegal immigrants
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who came here for nothing like they came here to for better lives
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imagine if a war was to hit London and you was a refugee
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where would you go Ian? what do you think you would do? where would you go
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what would be the first place you would go to if London became one of these places
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like the Middle East? where would you go? you wouldn't even know where to go Ian you'd become a refugee
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imagine how you would like to be treated I'm sorry I went on a rant but
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It's so frustrating. It's so frustrating. I love this country, but I can see it going downhill
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And there's such a chasm. It's not a division anymore. It's a chasm between so-called right and so-called left
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There's no such thing as right or left. It's just literally the same people frustrated for the different bunch of lies
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Well, I'll tell you what, when the difference between right and left becomes the people see it as the difference between evil and good
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then we really do have a problem in this country. You're absolutely right on that. Sam, I'm four minutes late for a break, so I hope you feel you've had a good run, because I think you have
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I'm pretty sure that you and I could probably debate with each other for about an hour, but I had better go to a break
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Thank you very much indeed for a very spirited call
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