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The Philadelphia Flyers were recently linked to Darnell Nurse of the Edmonton Oilers in perhaps the dumbest trade rumor of the summer. It just doesn't make any sense.
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Flyers are now in a trade room with that
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just doesn't make any sense at all. As
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the Flyers look to upgrade some
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positions of need, so like a center or
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top six center, like a backup goaltender
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potentially, they are paying attention
0:17
to some
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improvements on the blue line. And
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this offseason we could see someone like
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Rasmus Ristolainen moved
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and potentially someone like John
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Carlson added in free agency
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potentially, that's been rumored.
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There's a video on it on our channel
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right now. Just check it out on there
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and on broadstreethockey.com.
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But another another name that they could
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have potentially be involved in is with
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Oilers defenseman Darnell Nurse. And
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as much as that just seems
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like oh, they're replacing the size of
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Ristolainen if they trade Ristolainen in
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and they need some size back. They're
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also 6'4,
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like whatever kind of experienced guy.
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It It on ultimately just does not make
0:57
sense to me at all. So
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according to Anthony Sanfilippo, um the
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Flyers are at least monitoring. That's
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the the
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word he uses at least paying attention
1:07
to. Um so they're paying attention to
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what's going on with Nurse in Edmonton.
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So
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what is going on with Nurse in Edmonton
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is that the experienced 32-year-old
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defenseman is on the way out. He's
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signed to a contract for four more years
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at an a crazy $9.25 million AAV.
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It's just too much for Edmonton to
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really work with. GM Stan Bowman will
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probably have to find a way out of it to
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get
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something in return or potentially pay
1:34
up to get him, but they could retain on
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that contract, but
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basically the time has come to an end
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for Nurse in Edmonton. And he even has
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uh writers like Mark Spector who has
1:45
been a staunch defender of his and what
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he brings to the team in terms of
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physicality and and able to munch
1:52
minutes and everything like that. A
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defender like that is now writing
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pieces, and not a hit piece, but like
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generally being like now is the time
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that
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basically Nurse's time and every GM just
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go do an Edmonton I just said. Like it's
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it's it's a point where
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they are understanding that the team and
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the player fit just doesn't work. And
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that is where the Flyers could
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potentially come in. Again, San Filippo
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stresses that there have not been trade
2:18
discussions between the Flyers and
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Oilers, and that's a little bit where it
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can fall apart. But according to a
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source that he has, um
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they have at least been having internal
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discussions within the front office,
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within Flyers management, around GM Dan
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Brière and Keith Jones and whoever else
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is involved, um
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about the idea of bringing in Darnell
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Nurse and what that looks like. So,
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again, it's it could be chalked up to be
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like
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every general general manager isn't
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doing their job unless they're thinking
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about any player that they could bring
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in.
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And especially with someone someone like
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Darnell Nurse who's played around 800
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games in the NHL,
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brought in potentially for like almost
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nothing if they
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are give up a little bit of like
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return or don't want the Edmonton to the
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Edmonton to the Oilers to retain that
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much, then they could eventually like
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here's future considerations for an $8
3:16
million
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Darnell Nurse just retain 1.25 million
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or whatever, something like that.
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I don't know what the true value is, but
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the an an NHL GM isn't doing their job
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unless they're thinking about every kind
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of possibility of adding. And especially
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with the Flyers who
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are on paper and on record of wanting a
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bigger blue line and wanting size and
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have been wary of trading someone like
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Ristolainen because then they would be
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taking away a lot of size, and then
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their biggest defenseman in height is
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Travis Sanheim who isn't very physical,
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and then most physical defenseman is
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then Nick Seeler who I think is 6'2, and
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while they're physical, he's not playing
3:54
in the top four, so does it really
3:55
matter how much physicality he brings
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when playing like 18 minutes a night?
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So again, the the reports have been that
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there've been no specific trade
4:03
discussions, but the oiler the flyers
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rather are at least talking about it,
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talking about the possibility of Nurse
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coming in and
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what that could look like. And Sam
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Cippola also mentions that if Nurse
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comes in, it would almost guarantee that
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Ristolainen is coming out. It wouldn't
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be the same deal obviously cuz
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Edmonton doesn't really have anything to
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give up to of what the flyers really
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want for
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Ristolainen cuz that report has been
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that they want at least a first round
4:31
pick and a B prospect for the finished
4:34
defenseman.
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But it's more so of them just thinking
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what it could look like and get thing
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getting this asset. So Nurse played all
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82 games for the flyer for the flyers
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for the oilers rather. Um he scored
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seven goals and 24 points while racking
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up 104 penalty minutes, but also
4:52
averaging his lowest time on ice since
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the 2016-17 season. So he's his role was
4:57
recently decreased just to 20 minutes
5:00
and 58 seconds per game. Um and in
5:03
previous seasons we we've seen Nurse hit
5:07
in regards to all nice impact
5:09
comfortably above 50% shot attempt
5:13
share. So when he's on the ice, the
5:14
oilers aren't being
5:16
taken advantage of and are seen as the
5:18
usually the better team, but
5:20
this past season lowered down to 48.2%
5:23
which we haven't seen that low since the
5:25
2018-19 season. So
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Nurse has like basically seen his role
5:29
lowered, his point on the depth chart
5:31
was lowered for Edmonton, and then
5:35
obviously it means him playing with less
5:37
with Connor McDavid because he's playing
5:38
less with Evan Bouchard. So
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do the flyers really want a defenseman
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that
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when playing with
5:46
average players
5:48
can't really raise and make his team
5:50
better in the end. So, like
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it's it might just not it might just not
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make sense because like
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Okay.
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>> [snorts]
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>> If the Flyers want to get better
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on the blue line
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then
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how would adding Darnell Nurse for four
6:07
seasons at even a cap hit of something
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like 7 million? Even a cap hit like 7
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million.
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How would that make sense if you're
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also getting rid of Ristolainen and then
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you want prospects like Oliver Bonk and
6:22
David Jiricek to
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eventually make the Flyers and make a
6:27
significant impact and then just adding
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Nurse just blocks all of that. Like it
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it just it it makes zero sense because
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like if
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if they add Nurse who's 32
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4 years
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he's signed a contract for until he's 36
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years old at more money than any other
6:43
Flyers defenseman's going to make even
6:44
if it's 7 million. Sanheim's the highest
6:46
earner at 6.25. Like it just doesn't
6:48
make any sense because like then you're
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giving all this money to Nurse to not be
6:53
good
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and then potentially to flip him like in
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2 years maybe when his like he he has a
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no-trade clause clause right now through
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that through the end of next season
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and then you're like and then you're
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going to say, "Okay, when it goes down
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to like the 10 team or whatever then
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you're going to flip him for like a
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second."
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But then you're you can end up not
7:12
making the playoffs because instead of
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adding a drunk Carlson or adding a
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successful defenseman, adding a Michael
7:18
Kesselring or adding a other
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enter other defenseman free agent or
7:23
trade target or whatever, you're adding
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Darnell Nurse just because you could get
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some value out of the trade.
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It it's a move that ultimately the
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Flyers aren't at a point to make.
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The Flyers right now are at a point in
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their in their competitive cycle
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that it doesn't make sense to go spend a
7:40
bunch of prospects a bunch of draft
7:44
picks to get a Dylan Larkin or a
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maybe not Dylan Larkin is a bad example,
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but like your Vin- Vincent Trocheck or
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your Nazem Kadri or whoever, like spend
7:54
that first for a rental player kind of
7:56
move because they're not all in. They
7:58
don't see the potential to win a Stanley
8:01
Cup in the next two or three years.
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But they're not at the point where
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they're so still rebuilding to the to
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expect that they suck and are bad so
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much so that they will willingly take on
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Nurse and then flip them for assets
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later on. That's what a team like
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Montreal did 5 years ago. That's what
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Blackhawks should do. That's what the
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Sharks might should do. That's what the
8:24
Islanders might like think about doing.
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That's what the Rangers might think of
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doing where Nurse can be like at least
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some- like something on the blue line
8:32
other than like whatever they're
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throwing back there.
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Um, the Flyers are not that and the
8:38
Flyers need more offense and Nurse
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doesn't do that either and it just makes
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no sense. Like it just makes
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it would be antithetical to everything
8:47
that Danny Briere has done so far.
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He was just talking with Jackie Spiegel
8:51
of the Inquirer about how they need to
8:53
add smartly. That's a Q&A at the
8:54
Inquirer that was just released earlier
8:56
this week.
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And that's not adding smartly. Adding
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Darnell Nurse at whatever it is, even if
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it's like say they pay a second round
9:05
pick for you to take Nurse or they pay a
9:07
third round pick with like
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a couple million dollars retained to
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take Nurse. Like it just it's not a move
9:13
that a team on the on that just made the
9:15
playoffs, just won a playoff series. It
9:18
is not a move that that kind of team
9:20
does to make the next step. They've made
9:22
good steps. They've made good steps to
9:24
be competitive next year. They made good
9:26
steps to keep maybe Owen Tippett around
9:29
or or are looking good with Noah Cates
9:31
and Christian Dvorak and they're playing
9:33
above what was expected. They're they're
9:35
they've made steps to add Pierre-Olivier
9:37
Joseph to this team. They've made steps
9:39
to making
9:40
sure that maybe Matvei Michkov next
9:42
season can be implemented well and and
9:44
developed and and have a good bounce
9:46
back season.
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They they've outlined all of these
9:50
possibilities and then adding an anchor
9:52
like Nurse because this is still a
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player that
9:55
on
9:57
whatever numbers you want to use,
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whatever
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metric you want to use, if you want to
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use RAPM from Evolving Hockey, if you
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want to use the WAR model, if you want
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to use SGA from Hockey Viz, our our good
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friend Mike Kelly McCurdy, if you want
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to use whatever, he is an average
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defenseman. He is basically Nick Seeler.
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If you want to think about the on ice
10:13
impact that Nick Seeler brings, Darnell
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Nurse is basically the equivalent of
10:17
that.
10:18
Still a good player like still a hockey
10:20
player. If Darnell Nurse cost $3
10:22
million, I would love him on a bottom
10:23
pair. Six-foot guy, decently physical,
10:27
um like a nice guy and everything. Um
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Yeah. Sorry, I just banged my mic there.
10:34
Like it's it makes
10:37
good enough sense to do that. But not at
10:40
a massive cap hit and not at the point
10:42
of of where you are on a team that it
10:45
just doesn't fit.
10:47
And even financially, so like I I laid
10:49
it out in an article I published at
10:50
broadstreethockey.com. You can read it
10:51
now. I just published it earlier today.
10:54
But say if the long-term contracts for
10:55
both Trevor Zegras and Jamie Jamie
10:56
Drysdale come in and expect around 15 to
10:59
17 million combined each year. So that's
11:01
like saying thing like 9 million for 9
11:04
million and 6 million for Drysdale, like
11:07
10 million for Zegras and and 6 million
11:09
or 5 million or whatever. That's that's
11:11
the higher ballpark, whatever.
11:13
And then if Nikita Gusev and Emil
11:15
Andrae, if he comes back and whatever
11:17
backup goalie they get, so say if it's
11:19
like a Joseph Woll or they sign Tarasov
11:21
for $3.5 million a year or something
11:23
like that,
11:24
um they come in around $8 million
11:26
combined.
11:27
That gives the Flyers something like $12
11:29
million in cap space for next year with
11:31
a relatively full roster with no
11:33
improvements.
11:35
So, you're saying if they even if they
11:37
trade Ristolainen's 5.1 and then bring
11:39
in
11:40
um Darnell Nurse.
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So, that would be around five like 10
11:45
million that are left.
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>> [snorts]
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>> That doesn't like
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that doesn't then take into
11:50
consideration about upgrading the center
11:52
position or
11:54
adding a John Carlson. And and then
11:55
those four more years, the next season,
11:58
yeah, the cap balloons up. The cap goes
12:00
up. But then next season you're thinking
12:02
about Tyson Foerster's contract
12:03
extension because he's entering the
12:04
final year of his deal. What if Matvei
12:06
Michkov is entering the final year of
12:07
his deal? What if he has a bounce-back
12:08
season scores 85 points? Then you're
12:10
thinking about his extension and he him
12:12
making eight or nine million dollars.
12:14
Like
12:15
it it's these
12:17
Band-Aid fixes that don't equate for the
12:19
long term and that is like again
12:21
antithetical to like what everything
12:23
Danny Briere has said and like him going
12:25
to Wharton like going to business
12:26
school. Like that's like anti-business
12:30
strategy really of of just getting this
12:33
anchor of a player even if you think he
12:35
could be a top-four guy even if you
12:36
think you can turn him into Ristolainen
12:38
but like left-handed and from Canada.
12:41
Um even if you think he could be that
12:43
but that's more expensive and for
12:45
longer. So, why are you doing that at
12:47
this point?
12:48
It just doesn't make sense at all and
12:49
it's just like a a move that again it's
12:52
it's like a move that maybe
12:54
it's just something to get talking
12:55
because again it's the Tenna Cup finals
12:57
going on so you can't really like
13:00
nothing can really happen right now cuz
13:02
you don't want to distract from that.
13:03
So, maybe it's just something to get
13:04
like Flyers fans talking.
13:07
But it just feels insane to think about
13:10
the oil the sorry, the Flyers
13:13
doing something like this cuz it's just
13:15
like
13:16
again, I'm saying it like I'm repeating
13:18
myself but they're making good strides.
13:19
They're making like competitive like
13:21
steps towards
13:23
eventually contending on a a basis.
13:25
Being Carolina, being being
13:28
um
13:29
not like
13:30
being a good team. Being the like
13:33
I can't think of another good team right
13:35
now. But like being Carolina who's like
13:37
regularly competing on with a good core
13:39
of players and they add smartly like
13:42
Carolina does like Eric Tulsky does.
13:44
They add smartly to the roster making
13:46
sure the pieces fit and it makes sense
13:48
financially and then they go from there.
13:51
That's it. That's all they do. That's
13:53
everything that they do and then now
13:54
it's led to them being two wins away
13:56
from winning the Stanley Cup eventually.
13:59
Their luck hasn't always gone their way,
14:01
but the Flyers are going to the point of
14:04
being that team in four or five years.
14:07
And say if if Darnell Nurse is attached
14:09
to you for those steps that you want to
14:11
take towards up going up
14:14
then that doesn't make any sense because
14:15
it's just like it feels more like a move
14:17
that would drag you back down
14:19
financially and on the ice. It's
14:21
limiting the players that you can add.
14:23
It's limiting the possibility of saying
14:25
trading in Olli Juolevi for a dynamic
14:28
left-hand defenseman and then you're
14:29
suddenly paying Nurse to be on a bottom
14:31
pairing because Nick Leddy was kicked
14:32
out and you cuz you trade him for
14:34
whatever a third round pick because you
14:36
don't have room and you add this like
14:38
Vince Dunn or whatever like just a
14:39
hypothetical name off the top of my
14:41
head. Um
14:43
you add this player and then it's just
14:44
like why did you get this guy in the
14:46
first place? It is an extremely short
14:47
like
14:49
it's just it just doesn't make sense. It
14:50
it just does not make sense and I am
14:53
like firm in like that this is not
14:55
happening. If this happened then like
14:57
I'll come back here and be like hat in
14:59
hand and be like I'll still yell about
15:00
this maybe even more. Like actually yell
15:03
and not like soft yell like I'm doing
15:04
right now, but actually yell because
15:06
this would be absolutely insane. I'm
15:09
going to go Steve Dangle mode if this
15:11
trade goes through and that just feels
15:13
like a um
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