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The Philadelphia Flyers may have the pieces to trade for Toronto Maple Leafs superstar center Auston Matthews.
Ryan Gilbert, Joe DeMarini, and Jacob Russell discussed the possibility on the BSH Podcast.
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Um Austin Matthews I think would be the
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top guy I would go after if he is
0:05
actually available. That seems like um a
0:08
team where you could trade him Tippet,
0:10
you could trade him Kates and one other
0:13
guy and and have like a hockey trade. I
0:16
don't know why the Leafs would do that
0:18
as of yet. I think they're going to
0:20
stick it out with uh with McKenna or
0:22
whoever they draft. And um
0:24
>> I think that really decreased decreased
0:27
the probability of the Matthews trade
0:29
happening just getting
0:30
>> McKenna.
0:31
>> It really saved them from having to make
0:33
some difficult decisions. They can
0:35
really kick the can down the line here.
0:36
Um if they do get McKenna, they could
0:38
take Stenberg. I mean that's not
0:39
impossible. Um
0:41
>> Stenber,
0:42
>> they could trade the pick. They could
0:43
trade a top five. What always happens?
0:45
>> They have a lot of chess pieces on the
0:48
board now that they didn't necessarily
0:49
have and they wouldn't have had if they
0:50
were like eighth or ninth in the draft
0:52
order. So,
0:54
>> I think the Leafs stick it out at least
0:55
until midseason on the Matthews thing.
0:58
They are going to have to make a
0:59
decision eventually on him. Um, I don't
1:02
think that Matthews is especially after
1:04
watching Mner go to the cup final and
1:05
especially if Mner ends up winning. I
1:08
think Matthews may he may just look at
1:11
it and say, man, it just might be
1:13
better. You know, the grass might
1:15
actually be greener on the other side.
1:17
Um, he doesn't have really anything. I
1:20
mean, he is the captain. He has a legacy
1:22
in Toronto. I'm sure he would, you know,
1:25
have to think about it. But, uh, I think
1:27
the McKenna thing, especially if they
1:29
take him, it buys them some time on
1:31
that.
1:32
>> I would I would like him. Um, I came
1:35
around on it after being really down on
1:37
it initially.
1:39
>> I would like him on the team, but I just
1:41
I don't know how much he's got left in
1:44
the tank. I think I think we've seen the
1:45
best of Boston Matthews, which was uh
1:48
legitimately almost a 70 goal scorer.
1:49
So, the best of him is, you know, the
1:51
the mid Austin Matthews is still 30, 35,
1:56
maybe even 40 on a consistent basis, but
1:59
I think his body is starting to break
2:01
down a bit. Um,
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>> I I think he he's obviously the guy you
2:06
have to go for, but it's going to take a
2:10
if he's going to be, you know, clamoring
2:12
to go from Toronto to Philadelphia. I'll
2:14
be honest, I don't think if I was him, I
2:16
would do that either. Um,
2:19
>> I mean,
2:19
>> he has the no move. He has the no move.
2:21
He He can pick a lot of different places
2:23
where he wants to go, right? So, that's
2:25
the only reason why I bring it up.
2:26
>> We've been setting the table for Conor
2:28
McDavid anyway, so, you know, might as
2:29
well hold the hold the resources for
2:30
that, right?
2:31
>> He's going to he's going to Montreal.
2:32
Did you see that report?
2:34
>> Oh,
2:34
>> everyone's going to Montreal. City Cross
2:36
Montreal, too.
2:38
>> Some French guy told me that Conor
2:39
McDavid's going to the Havs. I don't
2:41
know what
2:42
>> Yeah, it's really random. I didn't
2:44
>> we
2:45
>> Yeah. Um well Joe I want to get your
2:47
take on the latest on Robert Thomas but
2:49
I I have something that might be a hot
2:51
take actually given their given their
2:53
cost of acquisition I might prefer
2:54
Beners to Robert Thomas at this point.
2:57
>> Okay I'm I'm I'm I can see that because
3:01
at the deadline Thomas's the ask for
3:04
Thomas was like equivalent to three top
3:06
15 picks or something like that. Uh it
3:09
could be a mix of prospects, it could be
3:10
actual draft capital, but it was a
3:13
pretty steep price justifiably so. Um he
3:15
also has a no move clause and then after
3:17
the deadline he went on like just an
3:20
extraordinary bender as the Blues always
3:22
seem to do. They turn on the Jets way
3:24
too late and um you know they've got
3:27
Alex Dean coming in. They'd be foolish.
3:29
I think they would be foolish to trade
3:31
Robert Thomas. He's 26 years old I think
3:34
right in his prime on a great contract.
3:37
Like you you would be kind of dumb to
3:40
trade him especially with the help that
3:42
they've got coming in. Snugarud Dylan
3:43
Holloway is healthy and he's really
3:45
good. Um maybe Justin Carbono makes the
3:47
team like there you can squint and see
3:49
the Blues being back in the playoffs
3:51
next season.
3:52
>> Um
3:53
>> but if if they are stupid enough to
3:56
trade him,
3:58
>> I'm I'm definitely on the call with Alex
4:00
Steen or Armstrong depending what timing
4:02
they're trying to get off with this. But
4:04
uh he has a no move clause. He might
4:06
just say nah, I want to stay and that's
4:08
the end of that anyway.
4:09
>> Yeah. the last three years, uh, either a
4:12
point per game or over a point per game
4:14
for Thomas. Um, kind of looks a little
4:18
bit like a a Jake Vorich, prime Jake
4:20
Vorich statline. 21 goals, 60 assists,
4:23
81 points in 70 games. You know, that
4:25
just kind of reminds me of the good old
4:26
days. Um, and yeah, he had 64 and 64
4:31
this year. um played for the world
4:34
championship team for Canada that fell
4:36
to the mighty uh Norwegians and Egg
4:40
Nygard or whatever his name is. I can
4:43
>> Yeah, MBN. Um and Stein Soulberg. Uh of
4:48
course
4:49
>> Thomas Steen is Steen.
4:51
>> I think it's Steen, right?
4:52
>> I think it's Steen. Yeah. Anyways, uh
4:56
Thomas is one of those guys that Yeah.
4:58
Like who do you think you're going to
4:59
get who's better than him? you know,
5:01
like what are the Blues angling for? And
5:03
like you said, Joe, I don't think
5:04
they're garbage. I don't think they're
5:05
like the Kraken who you'd look at and be
5:07
like, I don't I don't know how you guys
5:09
expect to be even even decent in in the
5:12
near future, right? Um you look at they
5:15
got Kyu still for now. Snugaroo had 51
5:18
points in 70 games. Kind of went under
5:20
the radar honestly. Nobody really talked
5:21
about it, but he was really good.
5:24
>> Nic
5:26
is, you know, solid. Holloway, like you
5:27
said, was great. Jake Neighbors. I I I
5:29
don't hate Jake Neighbors. Broberg
5:32
again, they really picked apart the
5:33
Oilers with that. Like that was really
5:35
really well done um to get those two
5:38
guys. And then you got, you know, Pew
5:40
Sudter. D'Vorski is also coming up um
5:43
from the Miners.
5:44
>> Adam Urick should be there next season
5:46
and he should really help out on the
5:47
back end. Like
5:48
>> he'll help they have good players coming
5:52
and
5:52
>> Hoer Hoer looks okay. Hoer looks pretty
5:54
good in net. I think Hoer next year
5:56
could be a starting goalie in the NHL.
5:57
Bennington's still around. I mean, who
6:00
guy? He could turn it on and be 920
6:02
again. I don't know. He's a weirdo.
6:04
>> You could take back Bennington to make
6:05
to make the uh make the cost less. Take
6:08
Robert Thomas and Bennington.
6:10
>> He was good in the Olympics, too. Like
6:11
people are like, "Well, he wasn't the
6:13
reason that Canada lost." Um,
6:14
>> no, he was good. He was good in that
6:16
gold medal game, too. It kind of went
6:17
under the radar because Hella Buck was
6:19
like insane, but uh Bennington was made
6:23
one save in the overtime. That game
6:24
should have ended way before the the
6:26
McKinnon chance or whatever. the hook.
6:27
Uh they did there at the end like
6:29
Bennington made some really big saves.
6:31
>> But uh you you bring up the whole forer
6:33
Bennington thing. I Gilbs, do you have
6:36
any more thoughts on the Thomas?
6:37
>> I do have another thought on the Thomas
6:39
thing because what Jacob brought up with
6:40
with the Vorich thing got me looking
6:42
into it.
6:43
>> He he averages barely over a shot per
6:46
game. Like the Flyers don't need another
6:48
passer. They they need they don't need
6:49
another passer. But if it is Thomas and
6:52
it's something like a Kates and a Barky
6:55
and or like an Andre, it's like Kates is
6:58
the guy you're giving back for Thomas
7:00
plus futures. That's something I'd be
7:02
willing to do. If it's Tippet, probably
7:04
not just because yeah, Robert Thomas
7:06
probably isn't the 1C. And if you're not
7:09
getting that elite 1C, get someone like
7:13
a Beners with build up the elite wingers
7:16
around them where you go for depth
7:18
centers and just just go for the wings
7:20
there. But
7:21
>> yeah, Thomas had the help of like Vlad
7:23
Terasenko and even Kyru had a down
7:26
season, but he's pretty much a 30
7:28
goalcorer lock for most seasons. Um,
7:31
Bhnavic is older, but he can still put
7:33
up a decent number of points now and
7:35
then. Snuggured's got a really good
7:36
shot. Carbono is gonna have a good shot.
7:39
I don't know if he makes the NHL next
7:41
season. It's that's what the allure of
7:44
Matthews is is that like Jacob said, you
7:46
can probably depend on him for 35, maybe
7:48
40.
7:49
>> You pencil him in for 30. Even if he
7:51
plays like 70 games, he missed 10 to 15
7:54
games, you probably got 30 regardless.
7:56
>> And 70 75 points still a pretty strong
7:58
two-way impact. He's pretty good at
8:00
faceoffs. like you you can still depend
8:03
on him to be a maybe not a heart trophy
8:06
candidate but an average like a league
8:09
average topline center even if he's not
8:11
the super he penalties Jacob
8:14
>> he can he has I think he killed
8:16
penalties more under Bubie
8:17
>> he had two two short-handed goals in uh
8:20
20 242 is that that's it
8:21
>> nice
8:22
>> yeah okay so I I I think he still killed
8:25
penalties a little bit um but he just
8:27
didn't score short-handed goal um he
8:29
played a lot more of a defensive role
8:31
under Birub. Um Buru really tried to use
8:35
him that that was a common refrain I
8:37
heard a lot throughout the season. Brew
8:38
is trying to use him as like Alexander
8:40
Barov rather than a goalcorer. Um and
8:43
Matthews can play that role. He if you
8:45
really wanted to distill it down,
8:47
>> he's kind of like Sean Couturia. You
8:50
trade a little bit of the defense and
8:51
you just get a ton more goal
8:54
scoring um on the back end. Um he can do
8:57
it. he is legitimately a a two-way 1C.
9:01
Um, but the problem is with that is
9:03
obviously you start to get some age and
9:06
and some wear and tear on the body and
9:07
I've I think a lot of that um impact and
9:13
a lot of that
9:15
a lot of that was dampened the goal
9:16
scoring was dampened by the fact that he
9:18
was trying to play a certain way that I
9:20
don't think prohibit like it kind of
9:22
prohibits him from from scoring.
9:25
>> Sounds familiar.
9:26
>> Yeah. and and you know I I think even
9:29
talk you know would let him flourish a
9:32
lot more than Baruba did. I think Buba
9:34
used him in a really really strange way.
9:37
Um, yeah. And
9:40
I don't know. I you feel like when you
9:42
got D'vorak, you got Kate, you got
9:44
Couturier, assuming those are the guys
9:46
who are around, those are the centers
9:47
that are behind him, you don't have to
9:49
have Matthews play defensive hockey,
9:51
right? The Leafs, John is not killing
9:53
penalties at this point, right? He's
9:55
he's just not. And then you look down
9:56
the lineup at the rest of those guys.
9:59
Um, it's not really a great center
10:02
>> center team. You know, the centers are
10:04
just rough there. They're not. And the
10:05
guys who could play center like Max Doi
10:07
could play center. Um he's obviously
10:08
injured now. Um
10:10
>> Nander, you want Knander in
10:11
>> Knander and and and you know Doy can
10:14
play center but they're not really
10:15
centers, right? So the Flyers would have
10:18
guys to play that defensive role. And I
10:20
think you you just let Matthews go out
10:23
there and try to be Alexander Ovetchkin,
10:25
right? Like just just get open and have
10:27
guys feed him the puck. Have Mishkov
10:29
feed him the puck. It would make a lot
10:30
of sense. I think playw play style-wise
10:33
it would fit Matthews game really well,
10:36
but you you're going to have to give up
10:37
a
10:38
>> Matthew also once said that one of the
10:40
most underrated players in the league is
10:42
Travis Kknney. I I think him
10:43
>> I think he said his favorite restaurant
10:45
was in Philly too. I remember hearing
10:46
that once.
10:48
>> So, you know, there's there's some
10:49
connections here like
10:50
>> Danny Pierre, he loves Danny Priier,
10:52
too. Rick Tocket got some Arizona
10:54
connections there.
10:55
>> Yeah.
10:56
>> So, I I think Austin Matthews is you lay
10:58
the groundwork. You don't trade this
10:59
summer. you see what the Leafs do next
11:01
season. Maybe maybe you wait until his
11:04
final year and see if he's going to
11:06
resign and if not the Leafs Leafs trade
11:08
him. But I feel like he's someone you
11:10
keep your eye on and hope
11:12
>> it would be a very Vegas thing to trade
11:14
for Matthews.
11:14
>> It would be hilarious. But here's the
11:16
thing. The Flyers are in
11:18
>> the Flyers are in
11:19
>> a unique position when it comes to the
11:21
Leafs is that we have their 2027.
11:22
>> Yes. This is this is very key, Joseph.
11:25
I'm glad that you brought this up. I was
11:26
meaning to bring this up later. Yeah,
11:29
>> this is a very August article.
11:31
>> Yeah, it's a unique position for the
11:32
Flyers to be in because sure the Leafs
11:35
could trade with any other team. They
11:37
won't trade him to Boston who also has
11:38
their first round pick because they
11:40
would never do that.
11:41
>> They can't do it. They just did the
11:42
Minton thing. They can't do it again.
11:44
They can't do it again. So, you've got
11:46
the Flyers who have their first round
11:48
pick next summer. I think we're pretty
11:50
much like 98% sure that that's what's
11:52
going to happen.
11:52
>> Yeah.
11:53
>> Um but
11:54
>> regardless, it'll be one of their picks.
11:56
So, it's
11:57
>> it's one of their picks. It's a valuable
11:59
asset to have your own draft picks. You
12:01
can offer sheet with those. You
12:03
>> Yeah.
12:04
>> Trading Matthews. If you're trading
12:05
Matthews, you're going to need the pick.
12:07
>> Yes. Cuz you're going to be bad
12:09
>> cuz they're not going to be
12:10
>> going to be bad.
12:11
>> So,
12:12
>> yeah. Um, that's another little thing
12:15
there. If the Leafs start poorly, you
12:17
know, they start four and 10 or
12:20
something, you look at it and you go, I
12:21
don't know, man. Like, they're in the
12:22
best position. The Flyers are in the
12:24
best position to get them right now cuz
12:25
they have enough draft capital outside
12:28
of the Leafs pick to like cobble
12:30
together and you got a Jet Luchenko, you
12:33
got a Andre, like these guys just
12:36
sprinkle in at the at the back end and
12:38
like give the Leafs something to look at
12:40
and like, oh, maybe Jack Nesbbit can be
12:42
the middle six center of the future or
12:44
whatever, you know? Like,
12:45
>> I don't know. It's it is out there. I I
12:47
think it'd be very very difficult for it
12:50
to maybe come to pass, but I think
12:52
they've got the best outside chance uh
12:56
to do it if the Leafs end up trading him
12:58
because like you said, he's not going to
12:59
Boston. He's not going to Montreal. He's
13:03
not going to go
13:04
>> he can go to LA any I've seen LA a lot.
13:08
I see Brand Grant Clark and Biffield for
13:11
Matthews. Something like that. Like that
13:13
makes sense to me. Um, when I saw that,
13:16
I kind of dampered on the idea of even
13:17
getting him because that just makes so
13:19
much sense that he goes to LA. Um, but
13:20
he's not going to Canadian team. Uh,
13:23
more than likely he's not going to go,
13:25
you know, to the other teams you
13:26
mentioned, like the Bruins and things
13:28
like that. He's probably not going to go
13:30
to Vegas. Like, obviously, I don't think
13:31
I don't think he's actually going to go
13:32
to Vegas. Probably it could happen. Him
13:34
and Eel would be sick. Uh, but yeah, the
13:38
>> that's an Olympic roster. That's
13:40
literally the Olympic roster is Matthew
13:41
Zel. And then you get Mner on the wing.
13:44
The Wings are just the Canadian Olympic
13:46
roster with Stone and and Mner. Yeah.
13:48
>> Uh so yeah, like I think the Flyers,
13:51
they're in a good position to try and to
13:53
try and do it. It's just going to take a
13:54
ton. And you got to see
13:57
>> if the Leafs get desperate, you know, if
13:59
the Leafs really get desperate at some
14:00
point. You do have the ammo to go to go
14:04
hunting for him.
14:05
>> Yeah. And you got you got Dale, Bon, and
14:07
Yurichek now. Like if all three of those
14:09
guys pan out, you're probably trading
14:10
one of them for for a center. So you
14:12
have to
14:12
>> you trade one of them. You you trade a
14:14
winger. Bark's from Toronto.
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