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The Philadelphia Flyers seem to be in the middle of every NHL trade rumor as of late. Whether it is Owen Tippett being traded to the Edmonton Oilers, Mat Barzal to the Flyers, or anything else.
Read about Owen Tippett rumor: https://www.broadstreethockey.com/post/oilers-reportedly-interested-in-flyers-owen-tippett-in-latest-trade-rumor/
Read about the Mat Barzal rumor: https://www.broadstreethockey.com/post/mat-barzal-could-be-the-answer-to-the-flyers-center-problem/
Read about the Mason McTavish rumor: https://www.broadstreethockey.com/post/flyers-linked-to-mason-mctavish-in-latest-trade-rumors/
Thomas Williams and Ryan Gilbert talk through it all.
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At the center of all NHL trade rumors
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right now appear to be the Philadelphia
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Flyers and we're going to be talking
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about it today. I am joined by Ryan
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Gilbert. I am Thomas Williams of
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broadstreet hockey.com and we are going
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to be covering a bunch of the Flyers
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trade rumors. So there's like players
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involved that are could potentially be
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traded out of Philly. There's players
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involved that could be potentially
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brought into Philly to fill a massive
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hole. There are players or free agents
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that are rumored to be linked to them.
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There's it just seems like with this
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Stanley Cup final going on and with the
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ability to trade, well technically still
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right now they could trade if they want
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to, but Gary doesn't want distract him
0:40
from his final. Um, and leading up to
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the draft, it just seems like
0:44
everything's crazy right now. So, um,
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we're just going to be touching on that
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a little bit. And what's better to start
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off with kind of the the hot button
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topic right now right now is, uh, Owen
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Tippet. And the Oilers appear to be
0:55
interested in Owen Tippet. Gilbert, like
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what what's your initial reaction to
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Owen Tippet, a uh a Flyers winger that
1:02
obviously could solve the log jam if
1:05
they moved out and potentially moving to
1:07
Edmonton in a deal this off season.
1:10
>> Yeah, Owen Tippet. We had we had a few
1:11
good months there without Owen Tippet in
1:13
trade rumors because he was playing so
1:15
well with the highlight reel goals. But
1:18
and the Oilers wanting him makes sense
1:20
because he has the speed to keep up with
1:22
McDavid. But as as we wrote on the
1:24
website, like what do the Oilers have?
1:25
Like I looked on their cap wages page
1:27
like like can you take back like do you
1:29
want like Ryan Nan Hopkins for free?
1:31
Like is that so you want another
1:32
Christian D'vorak type guy? Like the
1:34
Oilers? Yeah, I'm sure the Oilers would
1:36
love to have Owen Tippet as would a lot
1:38
of a lot of teams. But Owen Tippet
1:40
showed how valuable he was to the Flyers
1:42
down the stretch. Showed how big of a
1:44
piece he was when he was missing against
1:46
the her against the Hurricanes in that
1:48
round. But I I do go back and forth on
1:50
trading tip because on one hand he's a
1:52
winger. He's a winger that's going to
1:54
put up 60 60 points, 30 goals, maybe you
1:56
can get them. If you can trade him to
1:58
get a center, I'd be all for it. If you
2:00
can trade him to get a 1C, I'd be all
2:02
for it. But looking at the Oilers,
2:04
looking at some of these other teams
2:06
that are sniffing around on Tippet, I
2:08
don't know if they're uh going to be at
2:09
the top of my list for uh center
2:11
targets.
2:12
Yeah, like it it's especially with the
2:15
even just the connection to because you
2:16
touched on like what can they bring back
2:18
like there is actually nothing and you
2:20
could again read this more on broad.com
2:22
but like they don't have their next two
2:23
first round picks. So if I can't even
2:25
imagine firstly that Danny Brier is
2:28
going to be fine with just draft picks
2:29
as the return. So he's not talking about
2:30
like a 2029
2:32
firstrounder for Owen Tippet because
2:34
what good does that do you? And then
2:37
there's like there's really nothing
2:39
because like you could talk about like
2:40
Jake Walman, he's like signed up to a
2:42
long-term deal. Matias Aholm's old and
2:44
broken. Like I don't think the Flyers
2:46
really see has him as an option. Like
2:48
with the Oiler specifically, I have no
2:50
idea what they're created like there are
2:51
of course like there is of course like
2:53
Isaac Howard and Matthew Seavoy, but
2:54
they're like again small wingers that
2:56
like what's what problem does that solve
2:58
for the Flyers at all? And sure, maybe
3:00
like if if because they're also al also
3:02
rumored in Jordan Kyu, like maybe the
3:04
Blues want Ike Howard and Seavoy and
3:07
then like you trade their next four
3:09
first round picks or something for Kyu.
3:11
But like I I I just can't see it
3:13
happening to Edmonton. But like yeah,
3:15
it's it it's it's tricky to really
3:18
determine even what a match is there.
3:20
>> Yeah, like Matthew Seavoy, maybe you
3:22
want to squint and say he could he could
3:24
maybe be a center, but he's 5 foot 10.
3:26
another Morgan Frost type that's not
3:28
going to really move the needle at all.
3:30
Isaac Howard already traded once, didn't
3:33
really play great in his 29 games with
3:35
Edmonton only had two goals and five
3:38
points. So, like there's really not a
3:40
lot there on Edmonton that you would
3:42
want. And all of those defenseman you
3:44
named are old and under contract for at
3:46
least the next few seasons.
3:48
>> Yeah, we know about something about old
3:49
defenseman. Um there's uh of course if
3:53
the Flyers are thinking about trading
3:54
Tippet there, the speculation is that
3:57
they'd be targeting a center or
3:59
targeting a defenseman for to be their
4:01
next part of their core and everything
4:03
like that. Like basically get the center
4:04
version of Owen Tippet, maybe a younger
4:06
version as well back.
4:08
So recently there have been rumors about
4:09
other Flyers um deals happening and and
4:13
targets and that is of course um one
4:17
massive one that is reportedly available
4:20
according to Bruce Gerio from the Ottawa
4:22
Sun is Matt Barcz New York Islanders 29
4:25
years old. He just turned 29 so it's not
4:26
like he's like again you're talking
4:28
about something but of course drafted in
4:30
2015 the Travis connecting year. getting
4:33
a a center that has largely not had his
4:38
best seasons in New York recently. It's
4:40
it's uh like a point per game, lower
4:43
than a point per game player, heavy
4:45
transition game. Just the whole like
4:48
Patrick W experience over in the island
4:50
hasn't really suited Barcz extremely
4:52
well. So the idea here is that the
4:56
Flyers could strike gold with getting
4:58
him for fairly cheap. I wouldn't say a
5:01
reclamation project. It's not a Zish
5:02
level reclamation project or anything
5:04
like that where his reputation is down.
5:05
But the one reason that he could be had
5:08
cheap is that he's under contract for
5:10
four more years at a $9.15 million
5:13
contract. So it's you're basically
5:16
saying that that's going to be your guy.
5:17
That's going to be your first line
5:18
center because you're he's paid like a
5:20
first line center um until the cap
5:22
balloons and everything like that. But
5:23
um Gilbs like how like when you saw like
5:26
a little bit of the Barzel linkage a
5:28
little bit of even like just him
5:30
possibly being available for the Flash
5:32
to take like what's what's a reaction to
5:33
that?
5:34
>> I mean the first thing with any player
5:36
in the division is always like okay
5:38
they're not going to trade him in the
5:39
division like like you rarely see that
5:41
especially the Islanders like they would
5:43
probably have the Flyers play pay a
5:45
premium for him compared to some random
5:48
team in the in the Western Conference.
5:50
And it's it's it's fitting that Barzel
5:52
and Kneknney were drafted in the same
5:53
year because like you could kind of
5:55
compare them two a little bit. Kind of
5:56
both disappointing, you know, never
5:58
really had huge career years. Barcel
6:02
peaked with 85 points in his rookie
6:04
season. Now some fans want want got to
6:08
be traded. Didn't want him to to overpay
6:10
him too much. But yeah, if Barzel became
6:12
available and it was like a tippet plus
6:15
package back, like I think you have to
6:18
at least entertain that a little bit.
6:20
Barzel is he's a bit taller than I
6:21
thought. He's 6' one. I thought he was
6:22
only
6:23
>> Yeah, he's definitely didn't lacking for
6:25
size, but
6:25
>> but um yeah, face off percentage not
6:28
good. So, that's another another center
6:29
another center that the Flyers would
6:31
have to have Couttoriier may take more
6:33
faceoffs and stuff, but I don't know.
6:35
when I saw when I saw Matt Barzel uh to
6:37
link to the Flyers on Broad
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Streethockey.com, it it it does seem
6:41
like like a bit of a stretch. Like it it
6:43
just seems like
6:45
any center that could be traded right
6:47
now is linked to the Flyers because the
6:48
Flyers need a center and this is the
6:50
best time of the year for for hockey
6:52
content. You know, you got you got the
6:53
first round of the playoffs is the best
6:54
time of the year for hockey fans, but
6:56
for hockey content, you got the Stanley
6:57
Cup final going on, you got the rumors
6:59
going on, now is the best time of the
7:01
year.
7:01
>> Hey, just some breaking the fourth wall
7:03
with this video. Um, I heard Charlie
7:06
Oconor say this on PHY, front of the
7:08
blog, of course. Um, Charlie Oconor. Um,
7:10
that like now it seems that the Flyers,
7:14
it's not like you're trying to grab up
7:16
any center now. Like with the kind of
7:18
Kate settling into a little bit more
7:19
offensive role, Trevor Zager's figuring
7:21
it out at center, D'vorak being like
7:24
basically at least like a solid 3C at
7:26
like basically and then Sean Coutur
7:28
settling into fourthline center role. I
7:31
like I I I you're not looking for any
7:34
center to be come uh like come in and
7:38
and solve an issue. There's still a hole
7:40
at a number one center and a center that
7:42
could lead the team, but then you could
7:45
be a little bit more picky. Like do you
7:46
share that sentiment that it's like
7:47
basically you could be a little bit more
7:49
picky with who the Flyers really take to
7:51
fill that role?
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>> Yeah, with especially with Couture kind
7:54
of stepping up and proving he can be a
7:57
decent bottom six center. You have Kates
7:59
and D'vorak who are two decent middle
8:01
six centers can play second line. Zegris
8:05
played center second half of the year
8:06
was good there. I don't know if that's
8:08
their long-term 1C or not, but like
8:11
having those guys locked in for
8:13
contracts for the next several years.
8:15
Take some of the fun out of the rumors
8:17
here because all right, the Flyers, they
8:18
they need a they need a 1C, but they
8:20
don't they don't need a guy like uh like
8:23
some of the guys talking like like a
8:24
Mason McTavish or or Mattie Beners. Like
8:27
even Barzel was like, "Okay, yeah, he'd
8:29
be good to have as my first line center,
8:31
but he's not putting this team over the
8:33
top yet."
8:34
>> Yeah, you touched on like McTavish and
8:36
Beneers. It's like those are two other
8:38
centers that were also linked to the
8:39
Flyers and and most recently that
8:41
McTavish was kind of more I don't want
8:44
to say more like cemented to be linked
8:47
to the Flyers, but just as like the
8:48
Flyers were named as a team that should
8:50
be interested in.
8:51
>> That's the Flyers pipeline. Anaheim
8:53
Ducks are their Flyers pipeline now. So
8:55
yeah, you got
8:57
Perbeek is on line one right now. Um
9:00
it's it it is tricky because it's also
9:02
like yeah even with McTavish and Beneers
9:04
like those are two young top three
9:06
picks.
9:08
Hypothetically if like the Flyers were
9:10
to have them right now you would say
9:11
that they're your your future number one
9:13
seeds. Like maybe not until Mcavish but
9:15
Beneer is probably more so. Um like but
9:18
those are tricky because what is the
9:20
ceiling really there? Like do you see
9:22
like even with Beneers like it's pretty
9:23
much a second line center on a
9:24
championship team like you don't see an
9:26
like a he might turn into like a Ryan
9:29
O'Reilly level impact on those Blues
9:31
teams like Braden Shen like a a more
9:35
like offensively not even offensively
9:37
oriented Braden Shen because like
9:38
Baneers hasn't really put up numbers I
9:40
think his career high is 52 I want to
9:43
say um or 40ome honestly. Um, so yeah.
9:48
So it it's it's it's difficult to see
9:50
that the Flyers would suddenly just like
9:53
go for these centers right away. Just
9:54
like, yeah, these are our guys. These
9:56
are like we're paying a premium. We're
9:58
we're giving them Tippet, Bon, Luchenko,
10:00
and a first for Beneers or something.
10:02
Like it it's I I want to do that. Um, I
10:05
I like your like the hypothetical thing
10:08
of like if you have to deal with say the
10:11
Islanders and you do like tipp it and
10:13
you're first this year, so 21st overall,
10:16
you could probably handle that. Like I
10:18
would probably do that just because of
10:19
Barcel.
10:20
>> Would the Islanders do that though?
10:21
>> I don't know.
10:22
>> I don't think so.
10:23
>> They have like Yeah. So go ahead. I kind
10:26
of compare Barcel a little bit to Robert
10:28
Thomas and I feel like Robert Thomas
10:30
would be more acquirable because the
10:33
Blues are kind of more in in in in a
10:36
position where they can win now and they
10:38
have some good young guys for the future
10:41
and you wouldn't have to pay the in
10:43
division price for them. So, and like
10:45
looking at Thomas' numbers with Brazil's
10:47
numbers kind of comparable there. Um I
10:49
don't have Thomas's contract in front of
10:52
me but
10:52
>> he's 8.5
10:54
8.75 8 8.1 through through through 20
10:58
31. He's 26. He's younger as well. I
11:01
think Barcel is just a few years too
11:03
old. So that's why it is Thomas or
11:05
Beneers or McTavish or whoever else is
11:09
one of these underperforming young
11:10
centers.
11:11
>> If if someone like Robert Thomas is
11:12
available, like I think that it just
11:14
makes more sense for the Flash to do
11:16
that and like you said like not pay the
11:18
indivision premium for Barzal. Like if
11:21
we could get Thomas for a package even
11:23
like that's hypothetically more than
11:25
you'd pay for a bar out like a a tippet
11:27
plus a decent prospect like bonk and
11:30
then you pay like even two first or like
11:32
a first and a second or something like
11:34
that's understandable. It's it's getting
11:36
your first line guy. It's getting a guy
11:38
with a higher ceiling and more um job
11:41
security and and more locked in and
11:44
certain age like it's basically a
11:45
perfect fit for the Flyers right now. I
11:47
mean, if you can get that for something
11:49
that's basically only one player off
11:51
your roster really then and serving a
11:54
and like solving a log jam that you
11:56
have, I I I think that's the move they
11:58
make over than trying to get like
12:01
squeeze the most out of a McTavish
12:02
because they could get him for like a
12:04
first and a second only and not have it
12:06
to include a player or like a Matty
12:07
Baneers and include Tippet in a first or
12:10
like something like that. Like just get
12:11
the player that fits more with your team
12:14
now than trying to
12:16
be smarter than everyone and like solve
12:18
an issue just because you get a young
12:20
player and and fix them because their
12:23
original team didn't do as much as they
12:26
could with them.
12:27
>> Yeah. If you're going to trade Tippet, I
12:28
want to get back a center who has proven
12:31
multiple seasons with points more than
12:32
Tippet has. I think Baneer has had 50
12:34
this past year. McTavish hasn't really
12:37
had that many. You know, Thomas isn't a
12:40
goalcorer, so people are going to yell
12:41
about that. But 86 points three years
12:43
ago, 81 last year, 64 points in 64 games
12:47
this most recent season. So, you bring
12:49
him in, he's on the timeline, 26 years
12:52
old. You don't really have to worry
12:54
about trading someone to St. Louis and
12:55
seeing them go off because it would it
12:57
would hurt a lot more with the
12:58
Islanders. But like even trading Braden
13:00
Shen, seeing him win a cup in St. Louis,
13:02
there was no real ill there.
13:05
>> Yeah. like it's there's limited
13:07
connection to it really and it just
13:09
makes yeah like it just it just makes
13:12
more sense. Um, one thing that makes a
13:13
whole lot of sense is the John Carlson
13:16
links to the Flyers. And while we have
13:19
been speculating it over at
13:20
brachiaki.com
13:22
how it just makes a perfect sense and
13:24
you wrote the first article kind of just
13:25
like why it it kind of makes um yeah
13:28
again a whole lot of sense for the
13:29
Flyers that we saw that per Anthony
13:32
DeMarco um and a little bit with Elliot
13:35
Freriedman that the Flyers have actually
13:38
been named as a team that it makes a
13:40
logical destination for John Carlson and
13:42
could give him what he wants and
13:43
apparently and according to Freriedman
13:45
it's something around a 1 to2 two-year
13:47
range around 8 to9 million. So, um per
13:51
year. So, that is a real strong
13:53
connection. It could sol probably solve
13:55
like the um like the Flyers power play
13:58
maybe or Flyers like just offense in
14:00
general. Five on five. Like it's a
14:02
really kind of exciting acquisition
14:04
overall. And you don't really say that a
14:06
whole lot by 36 year old defenseman.
14:08
>> Yeah, I I've been in on John Carlson now
14:10
for like a month or so once I realized
14:12
he's going to be a free agent behind
14:14
Darren Radish. I don't want Darren
14:15
Radish. But John Carlson, a two-year
14:17
deal. I was worried it might go three
14:19
years, but two years, even if you have
14:21
to give him over the 9 million, even if
14:23
you give him 10 million, like you have
14:25
Oliver Bank, I could either be on the
14:27
roster as as a under a million dollars
14:29
or put him in the AHL, which I don't
14:31
love if they keep Risto and sign
14:33
Carlson, but you can never have too many
14:36
right-handed defenseman there. And yeah,
14:38
if you bring in Carlson, maybe opens the
14:40
door more to trade bonk for a center,
14:43
something like that. you get the power
14:44
play help. He can help kind of mentor
14:46
Dale and Bonk for the next era of a
14:50
Flyers power play quarterback hopefully.
14:52
And he has the Todd Rearen connection I
14:54
think is going to be the thing that
14:55
draws him to Philly if he ultimately
14:57
signs here. He played for him in
15:00
Washington when Rearan was the
15:01
defenseman coach. Then he gave him uh
15:03
some good words ahead of him being named
15:05
the head coach uh taking over for Barry
15:08
Trotz down there. So I could very well
15:10
see Carlson coming back to the Flyers
15:11
and it would be it would be exciting.
15:13
I'm almost getting to the point where I
15:15
would be disappointed if it doesn't
15:16
happen, but I'm I'm still keeping that
15:18
that door open.
15:19
>> I mean, yeah, there it just feels like
15:21
there's no with no other like strong
15:23
senses with other teams. And of course,
15:25
we're not like paying attention to what
15:26
like the Kings fans are saying or
15:27
whatever. Like maybe they really want
15:28
Carlson or something. Um, with no other
15:31
like specific team mentioned, be like
15:34
here's like this makes most sense. And
15:35
it's like a 36 again a 36 year old guy.
15:38
I don't think he's going to be the most
15:39
like again yeah like the free agent
15:41
class sucks but it's like he's not going
15:44
to be like highly sought after by like a
15:47
dozens of teams trying to get his his
15:49
services or whatever but um if you if
15:52
the Flyers get him and again like
15:53
DeMarco said that in his article that um
15:58
well it was originally thought that if
15:59
you get Carlson you have to trade Ralina
16:01
and that's like basically a perfect swap
16:04
that it could theoretically and
16:06
technically
16:08
doesn't have to happen because you could
16:09
have uh Sanheim Risto, York Ddale, John
16:12
Carlson, and like Nick Cer as your six
16:14
defenseman. Not like necessarily paired
16:16
like that, but that's your six
16:18
defenseman. You have David and email
16:21
Andre or whoever as your seven eight cuz
16:24
Toot likes to carry eight defenseman if
16:27
he could. And then you start the year
16:29
with Oliver Bonk in the AHL because he's
16:31
still not he's not waiver exempt anymore
16:33
or he is waver exempt rather. Yes. But
16:37
so you start the season like that. Maybe
16:40
you trade risk at the deadline, but it's
16:42
technically not like they don't have to
16:43
do this or like creating a certain log
16:45
jam. It it it's again like strengthens
16:48
the depth chart and injuries happen. So
16:50
it could whatever, but it's not a
16:53
necessary mandatory thing that they have
16:56
to trade wrist line if this happens. I
16:58
>> I think Risto rumors will probably pick
17:00
up pretty soon. But the one thing that
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would scare me about trading Risto and
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bringing in Carlson is losing some
17:07
physicality on the blue line like
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Sanheim's big but he doesn't play
17:10
physical. York and Dale aren't that
17:12
physical. Carlson's 6'3 but 36 years old
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like like you said he doesn't throw the
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body too much. You got what? You got
17:19
Nikki Seals and and that that's it for
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for physicality. [laughter]
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So, you know, maybe maybe you do keep
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Carlson and Risto. Um, I hope they're
17:29
just using that as leverage to get a
17:30
better package for Risto, but we'll see
17:32
what happens there. But yeah, Carlson is
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definitely a top my board of what I want
17:37
the Flyers to do this offseason.
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>> Yeah, and it seems like it might be an
17:41
interesting offseason at least. Like we
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none of this might happen and we might
17:46
be having the exact same team and Owen
17:48
Tippet still here. Ras line is still
17:49
here, but it's going to be a summer. I'm
17:51
sure they're going to be links to so
17:53
many different players and and Flyers
17:56
players are going to be linked somewhere
17:58
else. So, um stay tuned at this channel.
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18:11
venture capitalists around, but um yeah,
18:14
it's it's going to be an interesting
18:16
summer at the least, even if it's not
18:18
very active and we're going to be like
18:19
entering into this fall and it's just
18:22
going to be like a Denil Terasov free
18:24
agent backup goalie and that's going to
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be the only signing.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully hopefully do
18:29
something more than that. Get get
18:30
something exciting going on. It's not
18:32
there's not going to be a Zegris trade.
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Maybe there will be for Robert Thomas,
18:35
but backup goalie, defenseman, maybe a
18:38
little trade here or there. Just keep it
18:40
coming. Keep it locked on on Broad
18:41
Street Hockey.
18:42
>> Yeah. Can't wait. Can't wait to write
18:44
that. Emil Andre was trading for the
18:45
round pick article.
18:47
>> Yes.
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>> Okay. BSH forever.
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