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hi everyone I'm Kell ooro and this is adaptable Behavior explained hi
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everybody thanks for tuning in we have a two-part series here today on adaptable this is part two so if you didn't tune
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in to part one on single parenting uh please watch that first because this will roll into uh it'll roll in more
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smoothly if you do so so this is part two on parenting single parenting and and primarily single parenting as a
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mother I've got with me again today Christina EG egola and she is a licensed
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associate counselor here with us at infinite healing and wellness she is a Rock Star Warrior and I think as a
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parent it's really there's nothing harder than being a parent but being a parent by yourself just takes the cake
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so I really appreciate you being here not only speaking professionally as a therapist but also as a single mother
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yourself you're a single mother Warrior so can you for those who didn't see part one and didn't watch it can you just
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introduce yourself a little bit and tell us more about why this story is an important one for you to share with us
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yeah so I'm Christina I work here at infinite healing and wellness as an Lac um single mom you know married
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divorce met my husband in the Marines you know prior service and didn't quite
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work out the way that you know one would hope and so we did divorce but we have four children together their ages are 9
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11 13 and soon to be 15 uh they are primarily with me so we have like a
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every other weekend type schedule and uh rotating holidays so I really do take on
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the bulk of the parenting uh single-handedly um especially due to the
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location of their other parent and where he resides and so that really limits being able to have uh you know Hands-On
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on a regular basis so right that's tricky so let's talk about co-parenting
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you know when we go into parenting we do our best to have a united front we parse
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out what we see as the way to raise CH children and of course we stumble and we
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fall and we stand up and we we get together as when we're when we have a partner to raise our children with and
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we decipher how do we want to handle this next thing and even in in the home when you're in an amicable relationship
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we can run into bumps with our partners on how we think things should happen
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well at least can overcome or offset or adapt to those differences if you're
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both in the home together right and when you think about as a single parent a portion of the time the children are now
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being raised outside of your purview in the home of your ex partner whether it's
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you know a husband a wife whatever it is and they now can parent the way they see
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fit best yeah so talk to us a little bit about what that's been like for you and
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maybe share some stories of of co-parenting done well and then you know
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maybe gone wrong and how that puts your kids in the middle of things and just we talked to us a little bit about that
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yeah so initially you know as you said when you are a together married you
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present a united front even if maybe you don't align on everything because you're within the household it makes it easier
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to um at least bridge the gap so to speak right and and so you you come to a
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compromise or an agreement with you know divorce or single parenting where the
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other parent is outside of the home and the kids do visit that makes it more challenging because you're not there
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right there's a sense of powerlessness and so if there was a foundation within the other parents you know value system
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that maybe didn't get to see the light in your household together it then does in their own household because it's
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their space right and the same for you you may have a different uh way of of
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taking care of your kids consequences for your children you know value system religion right Health medical decisions
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there's a lot to take into consideration so much and and if there's a stark contrast with your ex it is really a
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whirlwind for the kids to navigate yeah really is hard and so that's a little bit about what how we experienced our
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our separation um you know coming to find out that we just see things very very differently than you know I think
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he or I really thought we would um and it does place the kids in such a
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very difficult tight RPP to walk because there's a balancing act of like you know well these are dad's rules these are
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mom's rules and well this rule goes over to Dad's house but this rule doesn't go to Mom's house and so they're really
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caught in the middle of trying to navigate uh you know how to behave how to listen you know what's real what's
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not what is their own individual value system and it can be a very emotional
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experience for everybody body involved um you know there have been times where
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off the cuff I might have said or done something that wasn't kind you know and their father did the same it's
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challenging especially when it's so new right and you're learning all of these
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areas you didn't really think about prior to separation and divorce and so it's just fra with powerlessness you
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know time and time again you desperately so want this other person to hear you to listen to you to be the person that they
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were when you were married but the thing is is that they weren't even when you were married it's just maybe there was
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blinders or maybe you stayed together for the kids for a long time but this is who they are now and so a level of
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Acceptance in terms of letting go of wanting control can you give us an
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example of a time where you know you and your ex were just definitely not on the same page and what that was like for
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your kids per your perspective um so I would say discipline is a a very is one
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that's a Hot Topic you know of discussion I what's been hardest for you I would say it's the physicality maybe
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of the discipline you know there's still a belief in the world today that spanking children is effective you know
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my parents did it to me therefore I'm going to do it to my kids and by the way there's not an ounce of research that
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substantiates efficacy of physical um uh punishment as a as a form of effect
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parenting and discipline the only thing it does is creates anxiety in the child so as not to want to get caught but it
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doesn't uh instill in them the desire and the value to behave in a better way that's more in line with what you're hoping for so if you want your kids to
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be nervous afraid and anxious and sneaky then then that's the parenting strategy
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you should consider CU it's not effective and you know I that's something that I had to learn too
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through my education and my experience and so you know we don't have that right off the bat especially you come from a
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family where that's the norm MH and I recognize that but things have to change
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in order for them to get better and so you make those conscientious decisions for the benefit of who is in your
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household and right now it's my children so when that value doesn't align it is a
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very hard thing to carry because you have your children coming back to you
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and they're saying they experience something that you just maybe want to protect them from you wish you were
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there you feel like Mom didn't do her job and it's it's a heavy weighted
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feeling of powerlessness loss of control and then you move towards anger that secondary emotion where it's like oh
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things are going to get dirty the gloves are coming off not my babies right you know because you're their Advocate
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you're there to advocate for them um and as much as you know there is a realm
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within co-parenting that says teach your children advocate for themselves but you're asking them to speak up against
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you know maybe a parent who's pretty terrifying or intimidating or maybe they have a lot of respect for and this is an
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area that's um you know just that gray area so they're like I don't know if I want to rock the boat that's a lot of a
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lot of weight to put on just a tiny human's shoulders and so yes you want to teach them to have boundaries and to
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stand up for themselves but at what point do you step in and say enough and so you know I'm I'm grateful that the
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communication between me and you know my children's father has gotten better
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right boundaries um but it's hard it was so hard in the beginning and you want to
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protect them you want to keep them safe I think another area is relationships I
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was going to say let's talk about relationships bringing a new partner into the home whether it's them or it's
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you how that impacts the kids how that impacts you and how you feel about you know who's parenting your kids so I
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would say that their father and I have completely different views and that's not to say one is you know worse or
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better it's just what it is you know um but I think when you want to bring
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somebody into the fold the most kind and compassionate thing you can do is first tell that person what they're signing up
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forh tell that person how things are you know supportive of your children so the
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values the rules the guidelines where they end and your children begin sure um
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what is it going to look like for discipline right where do you step in where do you not step in because you're going to step on some people's toes
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right and I think the other thing is being very transparent with your children um there are I come from a
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history of where there was multiple relationships and that can get very confusing because you get attached very
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easily and then they suffer further attachment losses they've already lost you know it's an it's an ases score of
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one at a minimum when you divorce your children will have and then they have additional losses through you know
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future exes or future partners that are there and then they're not and it just really creates a lot of instability in a
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person's nervous system those kids don't know and they're powerless over the environment I I think that often times
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parents move into new relationships far too quickly because being alone is so painful and it's so hard and being a
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single parent and I get that 100% right it's like I just need someone to be here to help me do this thing I didn't sign
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up to be a parent by myself and that desperation and that helplessness or that hopelessness and the loneliness
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often times puts people in positions to go toward a partner that may not be a
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best choice for them for them in the long run right or even maybe for their kids in the short run as far as examples
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that you want set for your kids it's it's like uh it's just really important that people go slow enough and really
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think out all of those long-term potential consequences and allow their loneliness or their despair of doing it
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by themselves to to sit at Bay and be in the discomfort because in the long run you'll likely have more discomfort if
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you have to to you know part ways again and your kids suffer more pain for the for the sake of that yeah and and I
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think another thing to consider is how much of yourself can you give to both right in a new relationship there's a
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lot of the you know honeymoon feelings and butterflies and so you really want
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to spend all your time with this person and what about what do you want them to play in your child's life and and and
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what do your kids expect when they have that and and are and maybe if there's four kids do these two kids want it to
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be a new dad or and do these kids want nothing to do with this person and how do you
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navigate the conflict in in just those two sides of the of the coin with kids having different desires needs and
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aspirations and wants for their own belonging and their own attachment needs I think it's about teaching your
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children to navigate their emotions that emotions are valid right and we also want to consider the facts of the
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situation and as much as the other their parent has to let go of that you know feeling of powerlessness because they
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want that control children have to learn how to do the same and that's modeled for them so when you step into a
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relationship or you take on a job or you know there's more people coming in and
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it's a blended family there are going to be there are going to be realities of the life that they used to have that's
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no longer going to exist it's and is surrendering into the powerlessness of that and allowing the grief to be part
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of it I think that that's a huge piece uh that people really we do everything
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we can to avoid the feelings of powerlessness and the feelings of greas grief it's why we have you know so much
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substance abuse phone addiction social media addiction uh those things that we
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do to avoid our feelings ice cream ice cream right and in small batches I mean I think it's okay as long as we say I
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know I'm eating my feelings you know right now I'm for sure eating my feelings I think we can all wrap our
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heads around that but at the same time the this the true answer is allowing
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yourself to surrender into that grief and into that powerlessness and like you said modeling that for your children is
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so essential at the healing process and it also helps to cultivate resilience I
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mean I think that there are kids that really don't have a lot of traumatic experiences and and unfortunately it
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also then leaves them pretty ill equipped to tolerate distress yeah it's
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Paradox right it's like life was too easy and now I have no bandwidth to tolerate because everything didn't give
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me any practice and so sometimes these hard things really help to create
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resiliency and adaptability in in in not just our children but in ourselves so what are specifically related to the
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co-parenting and and additional relationships how would you say that has helped you and your kids to become more
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resilient and adaptable well I'll be honest I didn't I didn't initially handle it well right you know I think
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you're not perfect no no [Laughter] but you know and I look back and I
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go how you handled that was interesting but it's being aware self-awareness I
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think is huge right and then and why you say that can I just chime in because I think it's important to note it's really
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important not to put that on your kids right judging the other parent judging
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the parents choices judging their person's partner you know it's hard to be just a non-judgmental sounding board
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so hard like like superhero step away I got some superhero hard well I I think it's
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important because ultimately they need to establish their own opinions and and experiences when they're in those
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relationships because truthfully it's their relationship it's not yours so I think that's another area that parents
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often times don't do a good enough job and I want to bring light to that it's it's you know it's none of their
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business how you feel about your ex-husband's new wife right absolutely
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it's your job to be really open to create a place where they can say how they feel and right you want to give
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them the opportunity opportunity to make their own decision right their own judgment about how they want that
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relationship to look um but that's also to say it shouldn't be forced right so
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like you can go on one end of the spectrum it's all of this negative talk it's all of this unhealthy attributes
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about whoever this person is and you may be spous that to your children but then it also be like oh well lean into that
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relationship they're great you know and so you want to I think both of that needs to be removed I think if it they
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come from a blank a blank canvas sitting from a neutral stance and letting them develop their own experience and their
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own feelings about this other person because truthfully if they're kind loving and they're supportive it's actually awesome for kids to have more
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people that love them especially in your absence you know it's but they have to move through that acceptance right so I
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think you know allowing them to navigate their emotions and if they are like come home and they're upset you go oh I'm
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really sorry that you're upset you know it looks like you maybe need some space but if you want to talk to me about it
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I'm here and then you just listen right it doesn't need to be com because this is just hard yeah or if they come home
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and they're like I had the best time you Relish in that you're like celebrate so many parents mess that up too and it's
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really important yeah I'm so glad you got to do that because yes it can be painful that maybe it wasn't you weren't
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there you missed out on that experience right but that's not about you it's about their lived experience and you
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want them to have just fantastic experiences on on either Spectrum CU like you said you want them to to grow
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that resiliency so when they're adults it's not like one thing happens and the whole world is falling apart um but yeah
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and then allow them to talkh without interjecting without saying what you
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feel what you think and then so hard if you don't like what you're hearing protect those babies so then it's key to
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get someone to talk to right so that's finding a support system getting a therapist having friends you know maybe
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it's journaling maybe it's watching podcasts or reading books about it
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because you're not going to get it right M you're going to mess up you're going to make mistakes own it you know so like
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say you started out and you said something unkind about that person and you realize a couple months down the
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road cuz you've learned something new and you're like oh I did that you you know let your kiddos know you
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say hey I just want to Circle back to something I might have said or did that made you uncomfortable or maybe it
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putting them in the middle is never the never the righto I'm so sorry because that's my own stuff that's not your
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stuff and I'm sorry for putting that on you right I think it's okay to say sorry to your children I think it's necessary
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I think good parents say sorry I think I say sorry about like 10 times a day right right so thanks for all of that I
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think another topic we have to talk about that is just it's just the way is
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is work you know if you're a single parent likely there's not a financial situation that allows you to just stay
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home and not have to have a job and so when you think about the demands of your livelihood and the professional
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responsibilities that come with whatever your profession is I mean whether it's uh you know working at a at a counter at
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a at a grocery store or whether it's being a doctor and and having the demands of of of those time constraints
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talk to us a little bit about work life balance and what that's been like for you so I I would say transparency is
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going to be huge right so whether you're just getting into single parenting or this is something new you know your
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family system has just recently went through that change letting whomever it is that you work with work for letting
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them in a little bit you got a lot better at that it takes vulnerability and it is hard and it feels like a
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four-letter word sometimes but it is to your benefit and to your children's benefit to really
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allow people to see you and to know what you're going through because it allows them to offer you Grace because they
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can't if they don't know what's going on I Amen to that as a boss I think I get I
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have high standards for my staff you know administrative and well you know what you can't be awesome if the bar is
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low and I really pride ourselves about being awesome here at infinite as far as like our professional ethics and our
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standards and you know I hold you guys all to a pretty high bar and I think that's one of the things I'm most proud
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of about being a manager of this company and I realize that can also come with
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its stress but especially with someone like you where you're naturally Desiring to be a high achiever and when you
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didn't show me more of who you were and things were messy because of stuff that
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was through no fault of your own but again back to the episode one you know all the show that is at your
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doormat you're like welcome to the show you know there's this daily problem something's going on and there's there's
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a there's there's hardly ever a week without a crisis when you have four kids by yourself and when you think about
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that if you don't communicate with your with the people that make the decisions
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about your hiring status or your your job security I think that it's really detrimental and that's not to say that
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still not required to get the supports you need so I mean I'll give an example even a recent one with you if it's okay
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where uh we were talking about the retreat yeah you know maybe maybe it's more your sh story to tell would you
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share a little bit about you were struggling about child care and this and coming to that and and we had a hard
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conversation yeah so tell us about that so I you know you gently challenged me during supervision when I told you that
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I was you know worried that I wasn't going to be able to make the retreat at least not the whole Retreat and um you
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know that's part of our our community here our culture is it really allows us to bond with one another and really kind
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of give us space from all of the stressors that we do have and so it would have been not great for for me to
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miss that retreat but and as your supervisor knowing you need more balance with fun and play and support and
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friendship and knowing that that's such an important part of of not just our culture but also for you as a human
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seeing that very obvious gap for you getting to meet with you so regularly and going this isn't a good idea for you
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to miss it yeah and so you challenged me to get creative you challenged me to you know pull deep and go nope this is
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you're going to have to make it work you know like this is if you don't go you're going to be on my radar type of
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thing and so um you know it did eventually work out but it did it did
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pull from me a a skill set that needed to be strengthened and needed to be chiseled a little bit because if we get
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so stagnant and say this is just how things are then that's how things are always going to be I challenged you for
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the part of the for the segment of this show to get creative about expanding your support network and we talked about
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ways to do that and I think I mentioned to you like do you have a neighborhood Facebook page to get maybe your kids to
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be dropped off at school that day you know and you have time to interview them and make sure there's a safe decision or
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or can you look at a co-op is there any other kids in your neighborhood where you could speak with that Mom ahead of
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time and say hey do you mind doing pickup or drop off today you know all of those things that that you hadn't explored because you were kind of
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focused on close I have to go alone nobody's here I don't want to be a burden and I think as a single parent
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you will drown most certainly if you don't learn to get creative about your support system and and you know you were
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worried I don't want to ask my neighbor because I asked them a lot and this and that and the other and I'm like so spread it out spread out the help you
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know like there's a lot of people that want to be that have servants hearts and want to really be loving and generous so
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long as it's not excessive and abusive and so that's another thing I think you I've seen you grow a lot and I I really
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challenge you single parents to to cultivate and and and flex that muscle when it comes to getting creative about
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your support systems because you just can't do it otherwise and it's really you don't know if you don't ask right
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and and you're going to get some NOS I mean people say no and and that's totally okay that doesn't mean stop asking ever and and stop asking for that
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moment because there's maybe someone that will say yes yeah I think it's important to let people help you
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absolutely for sure so and then it also teaches your children like oh I don't have to go this alone right if if I see
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Mom or Dad being creative and they're sourcing and they're talking to the neighbor or they're talking to daycare
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or they found this this new place or hey I get to spend the night at my friend's house for the for the night you know
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then they realize like it's okay to let people in let them see the mess Let Them
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help if they want to if they're capable and use that because this is you cannot
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go through it alone no it's a nightmare it's a nightmare with people you know can't I can't imagine like raising four
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kids is so hard it's definitely the that's been the challenge of my lifetime and I thought that once they were adults
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it would just be so easy and I'm like oh that's so cute of me but I thought that it's sorry the grass does not get
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greener the problems just get bigger and more adultlike more adultlike and also you have zero control like they are just
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adulting in whatever way they're adult love that for my future self awesome you just get to you know that the joke about
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the powerlessness just becoming a state of being like yep I have no control and it's really just pretty much always
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about whatever is happening just grab the popcorn yeah just watch watch the show exactly so let's let's
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talk a little bit about um self-care and mental health when it comes to being a single parent what are what are some key
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points you'd like to share with our viewers so therapy therapy therapy
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therapy so not just for you but for your children too so one of the things that I had to learn which is really challenging
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to my high achieving um perfectionist self I I got it I got it take care of
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all of the things and I can meet all of my children's needs and I just simply cannot and so having therapy for them
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has been such a huge gift for me sure because when they're in therapy they get to talk to someone who's neutral who's
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not involved in the situation that can give them healthy perspective be a sounding board you know play a board
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game and just exist in that moment without the pressures of you know Mom said this or dad said this or Mom did
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this or dad did that and then trying to handle school on top of it right and so as a parent you want to be there for
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your kids and you want to feel like you can do everything but the truth is The Facts of Life are you cannot do
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everything so I would say therapy for your children therapy for yourself and
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sometimes as frustrating as this is it it's it's having a i i call myself to my clients I'm like I'm your accountability
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partner you know you've said to me these are the values that you want to hold in your life these are the goals and areas that you want to work on and I'm here
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challenging on moments what that are not showing your behaviors are not aligning with what you said you wanted and so I
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can call you to that of course with permission but but ultimately it's an accountability opportunity and and with
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parents you know think about how many times you've said something to your kids and then you know the neighbor or the
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therapist or whomever said the same thing and they're like you know I'm going to do this one thing because they said and you're like yeah I'm so glad
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saying that for like so glad that I paid for someone else to tell you that but it just we need more people to influence
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our children and so of course that doesn't mean well we have to we have to filter those people but but it does take
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a village and it's really helpful to have more people in the corner of the growth yeah and reduces that burden of
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responsibility that you have to do everything by yourself right because you don't right and so when you take on that
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you can't right and you take on that burden it's going to slowly impact you know how you feel about yourself the
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work you put out how you parent how you interact with other people how you I mean everything it's it's who you are
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it's just a plethora of issues waiting to happen when you put yourself in and say I'm going to take on everything
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right and so it's an illusion yeah and and that's okay I think we have to say
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that it is okay to walk in the house is on fire your dishwasher is not working
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your stove's blown up your AC your car everything right and the kids are saying
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Mom I'm really sick or Mom I got in a fight at school or Mom I'm I'm suspended
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you know and you're going I can't do this alone like you know I think it's okay to set things down and like I need
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help I think that's absolutely okay I appreciate that and it's it's it's I think it's the the path to success is
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not trying to go It Alone 100% so let's talk before we part ways today uh a
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little bit about success stories anything that you want to share with us because it's not all doom and gloom
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there's there's moments of Pride and resilience and overcoming that are that are really important to to note and to
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celebrate so my son's a big Harry Potter fan and I know about JK Rowling is that
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she was a mom on welfare raising her daughter while she wrote Harry Potter and so she worked at a cafe and her
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daughter would sleep while she was you know in a booth while she was writing her story on napkins um there's the the
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Wonder Mop woman Joy there was a a movie about her she was a single mom of three
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kids and she was successful and her children are now successful and then I look at more intimate personal stories
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and you know I have my mom you know maybe there were some things that she you know didn't get right but there were
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a lot of things that she did get or she didn't get wrong can I say that again okay
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so cuz this part might make me cry it's okay um my mom I think that she's pretty
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successful she was a single parent she had her own history of significant trauma and her and my dad separated very
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very early in my life I was just an infant and so my brother he went to
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college he's successfully married in a relationship that's so healthy I look at it and I go what I want that I did that
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happen and I love it and then you know I went we were both in the service he was a marine as well I always like to joke
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that he followed in his little sister's footsteps you might get mad at me about that um but then also myself I do have
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to give myself some credit as much as it feels sometimes like vinegar because you feel like you're not doing enough um my
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my children are healthy and they're you finished a master's program by yourself while working by yourself and supported
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your children by yourself in the midst of probably one of the most tumultuous times of your life and getting to
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witness your resilience and your overcoming and your growth has truly been quite an honor personally thank you
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you you are a success story and you you've unveiled and you've disarmed and
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you've gotten so much more transparent and real and and ever more beautiful as a result and so you truly are thank
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you means a lot yeah it it does because you look at when you go home
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everything's a mess everything's a mess you know it's those little pockets of
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reassurance where you're like my kids are healthy and we have a roof over our
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head and and you're a hell of a therapist you're so
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skillful and you're so there you're just really love you and and you just get stronger and stronger with your craft so
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I I have to say I think you're you're quite a success story too so I'm glad we got that on tape yeah in case anyone
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questions it later you have some evidence so no but that means that means the world to me because it is you know
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we've talked about it before where being a single parent can get very myopic and you're just really in your own world so
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sometimes you don't even hear when someone's telling you that you've done a good job I hope that you take that in right now Faithfully I mean it yeah so
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that's going to take me through this whole week and it's
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Friday well next week too so thank you very much for being here today it's been
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really an honor and you're just a love and you're such a gift to to our listeners for being as real as you are
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and bringing this set of skills and also your true history and experience to the
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to the stage for us so thank you again for being here yeah thank you I hope it was helpful yes I hope so too so I hope
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you enjoyed that episode and it gave you some nuggets of how to parent a single
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parent if you are one and just know that you're not alone and hopefully if you need some resources you can look for
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some in your in your area for parenting Facebook groups and therapists and all
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sorts of other areas where you can get some support so that so as not to go it alone so thank you very much for tuning
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in today I hope that you found it useful and until we meet again don't forget to
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lead with love it'll never steer you wrong [Music]