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Welcome to Adaptable | Behavior Explained! A little bit of concern about your health is normal, and even healthy! If you have health anxiety, worries about your health can take over your life and cause you a lot of distress. It is thought that between 1 and 10 people out of every 100 will experience health anxiety every year. Fortunately, EMDR therapy is a great tool to use for such cases. Let's dive in with Taylor O'Horo and talk more about it.
I'm Kelly O'Horo, Attachment based EMDR Therapist, EMDRIA Consultant, and Advanced Trainer. I'm a mom of 5, Nonna of 5, wife, and a healer. I have the honor of spending my workdays walking along side people while they brave their healing journeys. I try to live with the generous assumption that we're all doing the best we can with what we know. Therapists are teachers for the "life stuff" and "emotional vocabulary" that may not have been learned due to gaps in our care givers capabilities. In the last 15 years I've learned that people are freaking amazing, resilient, and inspiring. Most importantly, we are hardwired for connection and for healing!
I hope to bring an authentic, compassionate, and unpolished approach while we explore a variety of topics such as parenting, marriage, relationships, dating, trauma, attachment, adoption, depression, addiction, anxiety, and love! There's a why for all behaviors and an explanation that makes perfect sense as emotion is at the root of it all.
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hi everyone I'm Kelly ooro and this is
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adaptable Behavior explained hi
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everybody thanks for tuning in to
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adaptable I'm happy to have you here and
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we're going to talk about health anxiety
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uh and I have With Me Taylor aoro who
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has been so brave to be part of the show
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today and she's going to share with us a
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little bit about her personal experience
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about health anxiety and what it's been
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like for her so Taylor thank you so much
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for being here thanks for having me I
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appreciate it so to kick us off we're
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going to talk just a little bit from a
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counselor's perspective what is health
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anxiety so it's seen as a condition
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where a person experiences excessive
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worry about having or acquiring a s a
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serious illness the anxiety can
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typically be accompanied by specific set
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of uh problematic thoughts beliefs and
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behaviors they might include dysfunction
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beliefs so this is holding beliefs that
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all bodily Sensations are due to
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underlying diseases uh and that diseases
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are common and are dangerous and uh it's
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like thinking every time that your car
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makes a noise it's about to break down
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there can be catastrophic thinking where
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we imagine the worst case scenario
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related to our health like having severe
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illness and then being unable to cope
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with a disease so imagine always
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assuming that uh a raincloud means a
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flood is coming and it's going to wipe
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out your house it can accompany safety
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behaviors which engages in things like
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uh whatever they have to do to alleviate
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anxiety like excessive Googling of
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symptoms web mding things to seek
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reassurance uh and avoiding medical
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appointments or obsessively going to
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medical appointments to get
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reassurance uh it can be body vigilance
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so being hyper aware of bodily
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Sensations that leads to
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misinterpretation of benign system
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and thinking that they're catastrophic
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like it's akin to hearing a strange
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noise in your house and immediately
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thinking that it's an intruder so Taylor
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thank you so much for joining us we're
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going to dig in a little bit to those
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topics and we're going to figure out
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what it's like for a lay person who's
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not yet a therapist although likely soon
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to be a therapist with your school
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trajectory but what it's been like for
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you and um maybe you can tell us a
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little bit first an introduction of you
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and then um I'll KCK us off with your
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first question so I'm Taylor I just
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finished my bachelor's in psychology
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congratulations it was such an awesome
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feat so awesome and so now I'm looking
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to apply for my MERS to go um get my
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mental health counseling degree probably
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through UOP most likely so I'm hoping to
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start that in the fall um and so yeah
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that's just a little bit about me yeah
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and you're an advocate of of mental
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health work you've been you've been
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working here as our marketing specialist
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administrative coord Ator at infin for a
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long time so you get firsthand knowledge
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around mental health everything and all
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of your friends or therapists so it's my
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friends my in-laws like both you and Pat
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so there's really no getting around the
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the therapist skew of things um so thank
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you so much for sharing that with us and
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you know you have been so amazingly
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Brave in your own personal Journey about
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attending therapy yourself for how many
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years has it been close to 10 I okay um
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I think if I were to be honest though
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and say consistently probably like four
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and and understanding health anxiety as
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you do what um can you tell us a little
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bit about your personal background and
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maybe some ideas you have that have
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contributed to health anxiety in general
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yeah so when I was little my mom got
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diagnosed with a super rare form of
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cancer um and it usually happens in
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adults that are like six D and up so
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it's not typical on a 47-year-old or 40y
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old I guess I should say and so most of
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my childhood was spent in hospitals um
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Cancer Centers which are just so tragic
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and so sad um many many doctor's
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appointments just I will never forget
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the White Walls I'm like white walls
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just to me I'm like everywhere right
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that's how hospitals are it's just very
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blank and so yeah a lot of time right a
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lot of time and watching her suffer
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through that illness yeah I always say
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um I kind of wish it was something that
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took her out faster right cuz I think
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the worst part is watching someone
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suffer over a long period of time right
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like that's way more tragic than you
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know maybe a heart attack where they
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went you know and although it's shocking
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and tragic uh watching someone slowly
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decline is so painful and helpless super
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yeah and how old were you when she
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eventually passed I was nine so I was
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like 2 months away from being 10 okay so
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almost 10 all right and so for you when
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you think about the topic of health
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anxiety from a logical perspective I
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imagine it makes perfect sense to you
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that this is how yes your anxiety shows
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up but what's what what's health anxiety
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for you what's it look like for you it
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encompasses a lot of things um I would
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say health anxiety for me is a little
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bit thinking that everything is
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something so um it's I have a Freckle
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but it's not a freckle it's you know
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it's skin cancer and now I'm at the
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dermatologist and obviously I don't do
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that as much anymore I've way
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way I guess alleviated that but that's
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definitely what it was for me for a
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while everything was something MH and
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that's so painful and overwhelming
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because you know I can remember when you
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were in that phase and and I didn't
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really know what was going on and I mean
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I could I could connect the dots that
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you know we we we learn what we live and
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you watched your mom suffer your whole
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childhood and then ended up losing her
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and so I imagine that eventuality is
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like this is how we go this is what
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happens and so watching you go through
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that was really hard because one it cost
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you a lot of time and money to go to a
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doctor every week you know and and
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you're so young and there's like very
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low likelihood that something WR so
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healthy for the most part and you take
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better care of yourself than than most
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people I've ever met so cuz I'm so
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anxious about it reasons right sure um
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what were some of the triggers that
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intensified your health anxiety
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especially after such that significant
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loss at such a young age sleep um
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because a lot of the stuff that happened
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with my mom typically happened at night
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for some reason or another it just
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always hit at the midnight so um a lot
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of it was like sleep if I go to sleep
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something bad's going to happen so I'm
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not a very good sleeper still to this
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day um so much it was also having kids
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that became a trigger just because now I
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have attachment to somebody that I don't
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want to lose and so everything that was
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wrong with them like I was at the doctor
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with them it was there was a lot of food
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it was a trigger like I have to eat
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these certain foods CU they can't be
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cancer inducing or you know contribute
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to illness or sickness in one way or the
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other so that definitely was probably
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the most of my triggers for the start of
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it and that increase really I think that
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the other angle that I remember seeing
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was when you had kids it wasn't just
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what's wrong with them but what happens
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if something's wrong with me yes and
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there was a lot of that worrying about
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others yeah that showed up I remember
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that you know even if if I have the the
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slightest thing you know you know you go
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straight to oh my God you need to go get
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that checked out because like there's no
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chance I'm losing you I can remember
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like I'm like yeah it's time to just
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skin check we I'm going to be okay I
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know I'm always like put your sunscreen
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on yeah yeah I know you're really
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conscientious about those things it's so
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important to recognize those triggers
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over the years what are some of the
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things that you've done to address or
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alleviate some of those triggers so EMDR
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obviously a lot of EMDR um I've done
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some
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intensives um cap that was an amazing
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experience for those of you who don't
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know that's ketamine assisted
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cyclotherapy so there's an autonomic
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nervous system reset if you're
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interested in that topic I have two
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shows about that in the channel um
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because it's a fascinating phenomenon
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and so effective I mean I've seen a huge
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difference in you since that for sure no
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I think that definitely switched a lot
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of things also just accepting that
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sometimes you have to be on medication
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sure um but I also work with a natural
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paath so I take whatever supplements and
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do my annual blood checks to make sure
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everything's okay um
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I like I do all my physical exams like
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I'm pretty proactive proactive with do
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you feel like you go to the doctor still
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unreasonably or where you think in fact
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I was like I think I'm three years out
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on a dermatologist check like I should
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go do that um so no I don't think I'm
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quite as nervous as I used to be so I
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appreciate your cander about seeking
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professional help uh and your your uh um
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vulnerability about that can you talk a
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little bit more about the therapeutic
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experience specifically for you as it
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relates to health anxiety so some of our
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viewers can understand what they might
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even talk about with a therapist and and
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how the therapist helps to unwind some
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of that so when I go into my therapist
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um and I know there's something
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bothering me right like I might have an
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ailment it might be my neck hurts or um
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I have a cyst or I have something um we
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typically go in and we start by figuring
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out what the target is
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and then we go through all the scales
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and I never remember the numbers ever
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I'm like can you repeat which one's high
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and low um and then we do EMDR on it and
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a lot of it is like sometimes I have to
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mix some sematic work in there okay so
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she'll have me like squeeze a pillow
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while I'm holding the buzzies while
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she's doing the thing with the little
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with the wand wand yeah can you give us
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an example of something that you uh had
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as a itic presentation and then you
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addressed it and maybe even how it
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connected or what it was connected to do
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you feel comfortable sharing something
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like that yeah I had for a long time TMJ
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super bad so and I had it one-sided and
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it just always was on the left side and
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I went in and I addressed it um and what
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we ended up finding out was it was like
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another part so it was like kind of a I
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had two parts I had my right side and my
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left side oh and this side was like
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trying to keep me kind of more obsessed
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with the you know rumination and the
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negative thought cycle interaction and
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this part was like no we're safe to like
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move on from that now oh so we had a
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part that was really aversive to Letting
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Go yep so in how that shows up in the
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body is it's really tight yep bracing
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yeah it's bracing but this side never
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had any pain and everything bad happened
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on that side interesting and so once we
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addressed that and that was very many
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sessions um I don't really have it as
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bad anymore that's awesome yeah I think
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so few people understand how much the
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body is informing us about an emotional
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uh information that's unresolved and
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just part of our story of protection and
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defense and it's really uh wonderful
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when a client is open to us getting
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curious about what it might be holding
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and how we can work to together to help
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you let it go well and I became obsessed
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with that Louise hey heill your body
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book so now because I think that it also
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somehow helped me to not feel like
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everything was something when I could
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connect an emotion to a physical ailment
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so when I could go you know I have a
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stomach ache what does that mean and I
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go to the L Louise hey handbook and it's
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like you know avoidance or whatever it
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is and I'm like okay it helps me know
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like where where the unhealed part is
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that needs some work right but you hit
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the believe button that there's a
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connection to it you you're at the point
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so far along in your therapy not that
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it's an ailment that actually is
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pointing you to some issue disease or
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otherwise but that there's just data you
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know and I like to tell my clients that
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whatever's happening in my body is just
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data it's not bad it's not good it's
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just connected to something and and it's
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you know our emotions are chemical it's
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not separate so it's not as if our body
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is um doing something separate and apart
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from what our brain tells it to do it's
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the computer so I mean it's all
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connected and so I think it's really
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inspiring that you're so quickly like I
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wonder what it means I I have a headache
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I wonder what was going on that I was
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not paying attention to or where I got
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or triggered and that made more sense
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too after I took that Health psychology
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class okay and it was just basically
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going through the psychology of how
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stress and depression and all these
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different mental health problems
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actually really affect our body and that
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was so fascinating because I was like
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okay now if I have to have my one bill
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be therapy I'll do it cuz I'm bought in
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like I see it now right well and it's
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it's like the body does keep the score
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so if I don't heal these things it's
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it's a self-fulfilling prop prophecy
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it's like you're going to make yourself
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sick with all of the worry about
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potentially becoming sick in the
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impending doom that likely will not
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happen given how great you take care of
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yourself so yeah that's that's so true
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and it had to be so different because I
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grew up in a Family household where like
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we did not talk about our feelings um so
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I kind of learned to compartmentalize
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like up here but my body was like the
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messenger and when things would go wrong
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like I just remember right when my mom
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died all of a sudden I had eczema
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allergies asthma and I was like oh my
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body just fractured could not handle
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handle yeah just in that whole year and
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I was like oh my gosh yeah and all those
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things are oftentimes at Bay with you
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but then when something stressful arises
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in your life you get a flare up of
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something exactly right and so it's the
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body you know if you think about a lot
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of those things being autoimmune related
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and you think about stress as you know
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something that our body goes threat
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danger and so when you think of the
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system being so overwhelmed and taxed
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like when your mom passed away and all
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and the aftermath of that I mean your
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dad was never the same and your school
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life was never the same I mean nothing
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was ever the same again after your mom
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passed and so that inundation and
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overwhelm of just constant Str stress is
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just reeks havoc on the body when Hy you
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know having a
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hypochondria well is it health anxiety
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so having a parent with health anxiety
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and having a f it almost seems kind of
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like a disease because it's it really
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does run through the family and so what
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I didn't know as a kid but what I
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understand now is that my dad's whole
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side of the family is just and including
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him right they're just very health
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anxious and so I try to be really
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careful now because I do not want to
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pass that to my kids and and
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unfortunately you know so of some of the
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Early times in their lives like you were
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still really fraught with so much of
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that and so and even though you were
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aware and it was you were working so
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hard you know they watched mom be
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worried about whatever you know and so
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there's going to be some propensity but
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likely with their the Next Generation
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it'll get better and better and that's
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that's the goal right is that we can
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that we can be better but we do we learn
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yeah we learn what we live and so I
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think that uh it's beautiful and strong
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and brave of you to continue to do the
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work so that it doesn't show up quite so
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noisily and that your Offspring you know
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they are like Mom used to be this kind
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of way but she's not anymore you good
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now yeah and then they they can see that
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change so what resources or support
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would you recommend for our viewers who
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are maybe in the early stages of wanting
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to address you know things related to
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having health anxiety I would say get an
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EMDR therapist that would be my first
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stop Googling stop Googling stop webing
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I do not Google anything now I'll tell
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my husband will you Google this for me
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because he can appropriately look at
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Google right offer some discernment
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right not me it's you know you have a
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headache so you have a brain tumor and
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I'm like that's it I knew it you know
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it's over it's over like planning my own
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funeral so that for sure um there's a
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girl I really like on Instagram it's I
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think it's healthcore anxiety and she
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also has a podcast called the health
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anxiety chicks I think it's health
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anxiety chicks but she talks a lot about
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it and she kind of normalizes how we all
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have this Collective thing and a lot of
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the fears are the same and it kind of
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makes it feel so much like okay if all
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these people have this the chances that
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I'm one in a million is probably very
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low you know so it normalizes that
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there's a a group think piece and she
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does like great posts where she's like
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unclench your jaw you do not have a
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brain tumor like she does like you know
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she's very positive too so I like that
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that's great so there's a resource uh
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what things do you do personally that
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help in Ure the best stability that you
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can related to you know Health diet
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exercise you know whatever you do to try
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to manage and maintain just the most
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basic aside from therapy and all the
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things you mentioned there yeah so while
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I've taken up cold plunging at your
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house so I've been doing that at least
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11 minutes a week it was awful today
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though yeah um it felt so cold for some
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re F my
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toes I was like this hurts um so I've
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taken that up I've
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definitely tried to decrease the amount
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that I socially drink right I've
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definitely tried to decrease the amount
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of caffeine I've had people don't
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understand how much of a stimulant
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caffeine really UPS the anxious you know
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it just it does yeah my natural path was
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like try just green tea it's cleaner a
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little bit better for your mental health
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yeah overall healthier probably yeah
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that's that's awesome and um and you
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know I would like to also say exercising
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is really important so so if even if
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it's just a long walk it's really
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beneficial to keeping that body moving
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and calming things down and get out in
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the sun yeah the sun keeping that
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vitamin D up super important so just to
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wrap up here what would be something
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that you want to make sure our viewers
18:45
know about this journey related to
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health anxiety um before we part ways
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today I would say there's hope it can
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change it does get better um and it does
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take work and you have to be very
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patient because it doesn't happen
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overnight so and you have to be patient
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with yourself and you have to be patient
19:05
with others who might uh run run lower
19:09
patience and tolerance with you because
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it's been a long standing thing and they
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understand maybe more about what it is
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then you do because it's happening to
19:16
you and in you so um understanding that
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it impacts the people around you and
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having Grace for them while they are
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patient while you work through things I
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think is another and being compassionate
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with yourself too right absolutely
19:29
having a lot of compassion for how hard
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it is yeah well I appreciate you being
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here so much it's such a hard topic uh
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to talk about you've been incredibly
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vulnerable and honest and open with us
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and I can't thank you enough for that so
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thank you so much thanks yeah so thank
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you so much for tuning in today if you
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would like more information about health
19:47
anxiety please check out that Instagram
19:50
that Taylor talked about and uh there
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are also other resources and of course
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seek therapy it's very helpful and right
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recognizing that most things have an
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underlying cause and we learn what we
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live and so this is just one
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manifestation of how anxiety can look
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and I hope that until we meet again that
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you lead with love it'll never steer you
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wrong
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