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Richard Tice, Deputy Leader of Reform UK, tells Tom Swarbrick how Reform would stop migrant Channel crossings. It comes after three asylum seekers have been found guilty of raping a woman on Brighton beach in a “cynical, predatory and callous” attack after she became separated from her friends on a night out. Listen to the full show on the all-new LBC App: https://app.af.lbc.co.uk/btnc/thenewlbcapp #tomswarbrick #news #LBC LBC is the home of live debate around news and current affairs in the UK. Join in the conversation and listen at https://www.lbc.co.uk/ Sign up to LBC’s weekly newsletter here: https://l-bc.co/signup
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Richard Tice is Deputy Leader of Reform UK, MP for Boston and Skeg Nest
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who is the party's energy, business and trade spokesperson. Thank you for coming on. Let's ask about this deal first
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What would Reform's plan be? Why would you carry on paying the French hundreds and hundreds of millions of pounds
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for them to bank it, laugh at our naive stupidity, and fail as they've previously failed, as you've just been previously describing
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I mean, they haven't even built the detention centre from three years ago
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that Rishi Sunak agreed. It's very simple. You've got to stop the magnet pull factor
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Everybody who breaks into our country illegally should be detained, should be processed within a matter of one to two weeks
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which, by the way, is what the Labour Party did 20 years ago. You could give them a week to appeal if you want to be generous
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and then you deport the lot of them because they've all broken into this country illegally
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Well, what's the point of processing them then? If you're going to deport the lot of them
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because they've broken in. People have a right to claim asylum. No, no, no, no, no, no, Tom
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They do not have a right to invade and break into our country illegally
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Okay? They're in breach of the law the moment they've crossed the 12-mile line
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They don't have any rights whatsoever. None. There is no other way
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of a person being able to claim asylum in Britain. Hang on, hang on. Hang on, Richard
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Hang on. Hang on. There is no other way of a person being able to claim is to exercise that right to asylum
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without getting here We got an economic crisis in this country This ridiculous notion that people have a right just to break into our country and claim asylum and want tens of thousands of benefits
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is absurd. Who would you give asylum to? We must scrap the Human Rights Act so we can stop all
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this ridiculous legal aid lawfare and everybody understands if you break into our country you will
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be detained and you will be deported. Who would reform give asylum to? At the moment, frankly
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and given the sort of horrific case that you've just described this afternoon, where three asylum
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seekers brutally violently raped a 20-year-old lady, I suspect most people would say we need a
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proper pause for a long time in order to catch up with what is a crisis. And it's a crisis that's
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infuriating tens of millions of British citizens up and down the country
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The difficulty, though, is a pause would only work if you could stop the people from getting here in the first place
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Well, the magnet factor stops immediately when people know that they are going to be detained and deport and sent back to where they came from
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Well, you can't send them back to where they came from. Yes, you can. You can send people back to Afghanistan
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The Germans do. Why can't we? We don't have an agreement with them. Don't care
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You would fly a plane into Afghanistan and just drop from there? Yes, Germany too, why can't we
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So, well, they have an agreement with Afghanistan, so you would get an agreement with the Taliban in order to send people back
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Or with Egypt, or with Iran, where these men came from? And the reality is we believe that agreements if they haven already been reached then they can be reached The bottom line is people have to understand that they are not going to stay in this country
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And whether they are returned to their home of origin, whether they're returned to a third party nation, the British people want them gone
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We're sick and tired of paying for these people and we're even more furious at the quantity who are then going on to commit criminality of whatever degree
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And I tell you what, what we really want to know is how many more cases are there that are of people who've been arrested and charged who've not yet gone to court
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I fear this is a growing scandal because, sadly, many of these people come from cultures where their attitudes towards women is completely and utterly different to Western values and British values
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Whilst I have you on the line, I need to ask you about a story that has been doing the rounds
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It's been reported that you have failed to pay almost £100,000 in corporation tax to the benefit of your investment company, which has in turn made donations to Reform UK
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Would you deny any of that? Yeah, that story is riddled with wrong numbers, wrong dates, wrong assumptions
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I'm very proud of the fact that actually I've generated over 100 million of taxes for HMRC in my 40-year business career
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I'm very proud of the fact I've built thousands of homes, employed thousands of people
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And the reality is that when you employ advisors I done what they advised me to do And my statement is very clear to the Sunday Times
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who are embarking upon what is a smear campaign directed by the most senior people in the news UK
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So you deny, hang on a sec, so you do deny that you ran four shell companies
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that allegedly did... That's not what I said, Tom. I said the assumptions are wrong
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the numbers are wrong, the dates are wrong. So how much did you fail to pay in corporation tax
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If you're going to ask me a question, let me answer it, OK? So I put a statement out
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It's very clear for everybody to see. I've always employed advisors. I've always paid what they've advised me to do
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And I would just gently remind people, the last time there was a politically motivated tax investigation into me
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10 years ago, it turned out I'd significantly overpaid by a five-figure sum
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but in the statement which i'm looking at now can i just confirm that you deny that you your
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investment company has made donations to reform uk of course i don't deny that right that doesn't
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want all the statement says tom no i know that's why i'm asking you that's what i'm asking whether
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you deny it or not richard electoral record it's got nothing to do with the the smears and slurs
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and wrong assumptions and false dates and false numbers in the Sunday Times story, some
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of which frankly is libelous. Right, I'm grateful for your time. Richard Tice is the Deputy Leader of ReformUK, MP for Boston and Skegness, the party's energy
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business and trade spokesperson
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