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Lewis Goodall joins Shelagh Fogarty to discuss Trump's 'secret' plane switch following the NATO summit in Ankara.
They also consider whether the Secret Service was right to leave journalists and White House staff on the 'decoy' aircraft.
Speaking out after the operation was revealed on Tuesday, Trump said he faced a "greater risk" by travelling on the second plane.
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Can you tell us about your ride on the airport catering truck in Turkey
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Why did you need to do that? Well, it's only up to Secret Service. I just follow what they'd like to do
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So I go by Secret Service and the military. They wanted me to go on a different flight, a different plane, equal safety
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but they wanted me to do it, so I do it. I do what they say. Why do they want me to do that
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I guess there was a threat out there. I didn't really ask them much about it. I get a lot of threats
0:30
Well, this one went over to England, where it was shown to the soldiers
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But there's so much risk. But this one went over to England because the soldiers wanted to see it
0:40
And it stopped, and they showed it to the soldiers, and we did a switch over there
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And it was really as for the military, and I just have to do what they say
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They go for safety, and I have to do what they say. Why was it too dangerous for you to fly on Air Force One, but not too dangerous for the threat
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I THINK THE PLANE THAT I FLEW ON WAS AT GREATER RISK
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WHY DO YOU SAY THAT? BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE PLANE I THINK THAT THEY WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO GO FOR
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I HAVE A LOT OF THREATS. I HAVE A LOT OF THREATS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT
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ANY CONSEQUENTIAL PRESIDENT HAS A LOT OF THREATS. NON-CONSEQUENTIAL PRESIDENTS DON'T GET THREAT
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AND I THINK THAT I'M MAYBE THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL PRESIDENT. HOW CLOSE IS THE RON TO PULLING SOMETHING OFF
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There's nobody who's done more than me in a period of almost six years
1:28
There's nobody. Were you worried about a soldier-fired missile? I don't worry about anything, to be honest
1:35
Whatever it is, you know my attitude, whatever. Whatever. Whatever. So, the journalists are pushing back
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Are they saying you endangered us and didn't let us know? You should probably just say, Sheila, it's me rather than Trump
1:49
Just in case the listeners would have thought that you were... Okay, it's him rather than Trump
1:53
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just in case the listeners thought that you had him live on air. I think they know. He said, well, I don't know about that
1:58
Yes, look, so Donald Trump has finally discovered something a little bit more discreet, as you say
2:02
she did an Air Force One, and it is indeed a catering truck. So this is absolutely even for Trump right this is a hell of a story So basically the background to it was that people remember listeners and viewers will remember NATO summit last month in Turkey the president was over there
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and US intelligence became sufficiently concerned about an Iranian plot to kill Trump
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which obviously, you know, very serious, and as the president says, lots of threats against him all the time
2:27
And so the Secret Service came up with a plan, which was basically a presidential great escape, right
2:33
So Trump arrives on his enormous new Qatari government purchase. Again, listeners will all remember this
2:39
The Qataris wanted to send... Trump thought the Air Force One was a little down at heel, a little bit in the 80s
2:43
Was that a purchase? I thought that was a gift. It was, but they purchased it for him. Oh, I see, I see
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They got a whole new, massive new sort of Trump Force One. Did he declare it
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I think it was hard not to declare. It's quite hard not to declare that as a gift
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It's not a duck island, is it? But anyway, so he flew in on that one
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the sort of brand spanking new glistening one. But before leaving, he suddenly announced that he was switching back to the older Air Force One, which raised some eyebrows
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And when he was asked why, he said, for old time's sake, right? Old time's sake. For old time's sake
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So Donald Trump voluntarily choosing the older, less luxurious plane should have basically triggered everyone's sort of like senses going, right
3:24
And alarms and antenna going. It's basically like King Charles saying, forget the Bentley, I'll get the Megabus, right
3:28
Very, very unusual. Trump then walks up the steps of Air Force One
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waves to the cameras, disappears inside, and then secretly comes out of the other side of the plane
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Bear in mind, the whole of the press pack is on this plane. They've been told to keep their blinds down
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so they can't see what's going on on the other side of the plane
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at which point the President of the United States, the 45th and 47th President of the United States
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was put in an airport catering truck, I don't know if it was Gate Gourmet
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and driven across the tarmac to another aircraft. Basically, at that point, the most powerful man in the entire world
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was hanging out in a cargo container with 48 mini bottles of Chardonnay
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It is a truly wonderful sight to think of. And then they transported him to a military aircraft
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that was on its way to England Now the rub of this of course is all of those journalists and staff and presidential staff who were on the plane were throughout that journey as far as the Secret Service and American intelligence officials concerned the subject to a potential Iranian attack
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They were basically bait for the president. So much flotsam and jetsam
4:38
Well, even we've often talked about, haven't we, that the president doesn't have the best relationship with the White House press corps, but them being used as a potential decoy for an Iranian missile
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probably does take it to a whole new nadir, I'd say. I don't know, you know
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No? Hear me out. Go on. It's not the job of the Secret Service to protect the American journalists. True
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It's the job of the Secret Service to protect the President of the United States of America
5:04
Well, he was asked about this the other day, and they said, well, Mr President, why was it okay if, you know, we're going to be a threat and you're not
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And he said, well, I suppose if I go down, you go down. If I go, you go
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To which, obviously, the actual response was, no, if we'd gone down, you would have just been..
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in the shipping container with all of those lovely little sort of chicken breasts
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in a particularly viscous tomato sauce. I mean, the proper way to handle it is to, yes, remove him, however they remove him
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I love this. Sheila Fogarty, head of the Secret Service. Head of the Secret Service, you remove him. Going back on her long experience on the presidential security detail
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Sorry, my earpiece has just fallen out. And then you, in the normal security way, don't put a plane in the air
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if you think there's a security risk around it. Well, you'd think. And you inform the passengers about that
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You'd think so. You'd think so. But that's not the security service's job. It's the secret service's job
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Do you, since we're on secret service and president, do you know what Trump's secret service codename is
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You know, all the presidents have codenames that they just say. Oh, I don't know. Can I just guess one
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It's a very good one. They often link it somehow to them. Oh, is it hairspray
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It's not hairspray. No, it's not. I don't think it's like that. It's mogul
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Mogul. Mogul. So they'll be like, Mogul is on the move. Mogul is on Air Force One
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Do you know, you'll like this, do you know Biden's? No, I don't know any of them
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Celtic. Ah, he's Irish, you know. As opposed to Rangers. That be the next Protestant president This is a bit like the bridges we have for the Royal Decks isn it Or Sheila Fogarty secret service codename Oh God Gabby Annie or something
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Maybe. What would you say? Queen. Queen, bless you. I can't assess myself
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I'm rubbish at her. Her Majesty. Her Mag. That's what we call her. Her Mag is on the move
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She's going down to the studio. Her Mag. That could endanger her actual Majesty
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Well, if we don't care about her. Oh, I wouldn't worry about her. Not my Queen
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Claire Foy is my Queen. Always will be. I'll tell you what my producer's just texted as to my potential name
7:03
It's a disgrace. I'll have you later. Oh, go on. Give me a clue. I couldn't possibly say it on the radio
7:07
It's that bad. Do you know what Barack Obama's one was? Go on. Something cool
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Renegade. Oh, yeah. See? Sexy, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. It's cool. That's the one you want. Not actually..
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George W. Bush is not nearly as good. Tumblr. As in Glass
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Well, I mean, he was a former alcoholic, so I don't know whether it's... Well, I suppose everyone's..
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You know, he's still an alcoholic. Yes, he went T-Total. Yeah, yeah, he did. So it seems a bit of a cruel joke on the part of the Secret Service, I think
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calling him Tumblr. Why not just call him Jack Daniels and be done with it? Bourbon
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Or worse. Or worse. Any more? I like this, Gabe. We've got Gerald Ford was pasky
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Richard Nixon was Searchlight. So Bill Clinton, Eagle. Could have been worse, couldn't it
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It could have been a lot worse. Nixon's could have been worse. Dodgy
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Yeah, corrupt. Corrupt. Yeah, scumbag. Anything like that. I mean, the other Trump news of the week, of course, is about his..
7:59
And more positive news. We don't know if he picked this up in the cargo container
8:03
but he does seem, the president, to have rather miraculously gained a new head of hair
8:07
I don't know if anybody has seen this over the course of the week. I saw John Sopel talking about it the other day on the newsagents
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And I said it to John yesterday. He's obviously gone to John's toupee maker. John has a fine head of hair
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Yeah, well, that's because it's a very good wig. It is not. I made the point to John yesterday that I enjoyed watching his smugness
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while he told the story about Donald Trump's wig. Yes. Because somebody with a fine head of hair can be smug in those instances, can't they
8:32
Well, as I said on the show the other day, it is a little sad. As good as the hair is, it is sad that 50 golden retrievers did have to die
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to give the president his new hair. But, you know, sometimes these sacrifices have to be made, don't they, Sheila
8:43
I mean, it was so obvious, wasn't it? It was bald and stringy, and then suddenly it's bouffant
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