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The problem, to be honest, is not just Keir Starmer
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It's the whole Labour Party. Because they're spending all of the money on welfare
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there's no money to fund defence, to the point where even their own defence secretary resigned
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And until they sort out that issue, it doesn't matter whether it's West Streeting or Andy Burnham or whoever
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The country is undefended. And we need to deal with this issue of the defence investment plan
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And how is that to be dealt with, Mrs Bader? What would a Conservative administration do
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So we have said that we need to get to 3% by the end of the parliament
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We would reinstate the two-child benefit cap, use all of those billions to fund more troops
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6,000 regulars, 14,000 reserves. We would take the wasted money on Ed Miliband's net zero projects
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put that into a sovereign defence fund so that we can accelerate the R&D and defence industry
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because the way war is being carried out now is very different from how it used to be
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We have to take some serious decisions because the peaceful era is over
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We spent the peace dividend. But that does mean taking tough decisions. And what worries me is that people like Andy Burnham
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and others think that government is a popularity contest. It's about how much you can give away
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how many freebies you can give away rather than looking after the safety and security of the nation
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In his farewell speech, I wonder if you recognise this picture of the United Kingdom
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and I now start quoting, an economy that is stronger, growing faster than our peers
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wages rising faster than inflation in every single month since we came to power. Investments secured, infrastructure being built
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an end to austerity. Is that the UK you recognise? I don't know what he was talking about
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I do not recognise that at all. Unemployment has risen every single month
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since Labour came into office because they killed jobs with that first disastrous budget
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And wasn't it a disgrace that Rachel Reeves, who's 50% of the reason why Labour has been terrible
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wasn't there? instead she was taking selfies with Andy Burnham I mean this is what they're like
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they won do the right thing and they won take responsibility and instead they pretend that they have achievements I felt very sorry for Keir Starmer to be honest On that point I do feel he was not allowed the dignity and respect of the position of being Prime Minister of this country
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With that campaigner playing Ode to Joy, I believe full blast down the end of the road
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Your reaction on that, Mr. I know you're political foes and I get all of that, but that's not the way to see a man go, is it
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No, no, it was a disgrace. Keir Starmer should have been allowed a much more dignified exit
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I heard that clip of him on your show, the Steve Bray
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To be honest, I thought he sounded drunk. This is not something that we should allow outside Downing Street
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But do you know the reason why... How do you allow for a protest then? So the reason why he is allowed, he's been prosecuted before, is because of the Convention on Human Rights
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The ECHR rears its head yet again. This is why we have said we would leave
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We're not going to allow that piece of legislation to stop us from governing our country
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We look like a clown country when people like Steve Bray are doing that to a prime minister
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Like we've got no control over anything that happens here. It's something that should be stopped
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He's been out there for 10 years making Parliament and Downing Street look like a clown show
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And he needs to be stopped. Well, it certainly wouldn't happen outside the Aliso Palace or the White House, wouldn't it
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No, definitely not. So there would be an exclusion zone as well, would there? So I think that people are taking protest well beyond the meaning of what protest is
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This is nuisance. This is nuisance. It is not protest. And there's a clear difference
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Protests used to be about people asking for rights, you know, universal suffrage, property rights
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Now it's just nuisance making. It's not fair on people who want to enjoy the city
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And it definitely gave our country a very bad look when the prime minister deserved a dignified exit on his resignation
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I've no idea whether you're a football fan, Mrs Badenock, but we look as though we will be having effectively our seventh manager or head coach in ten years
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No football team has ever performed well like that In fact normally they get relegated What needs to be the solution Surely not another general election and have another leader in Mrs Badenock So well as a leader of the opposition I always want a general election You want eights then do you I think there should be a conservative government
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Well, that's an argument for never having elections again. But more seriously, the reason why we have this problem is because everyone prepares for elections instead of having a plan to govern
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Here are the tough things we're going to do. Here are the difficult decisions we're going to make
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Instead, it's promises and freebies. We have so many elections now. Holyrood elections, Senate elections
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We've got a new Manchester mayoral election, by-elections, local government elections. But no one is actually running anything
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So I want us to start running things. That's why I put out my plan
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the Alternative King speech, lots of bills, get Britain working again, get people who can work off welfare
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drill in the North Sea, fund our defence. Here's how. There'll be some tough decisions
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And unlike other party leaders, I'm not going to lie to you. It's common sense
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We will do this and we will get Britain working again. He is a decent man, I think. But, you know, he didn't deliver. He just didn't deliver
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You watched, and indeed I saw you challenge him regularly in the House of Commons
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Were you and your colleagues surprised by the speed at which the Starmer administration seemed to fall apart
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Yeah, totally. I mean, I take you back to that moment when Rachel Reeves and Keir Starmer were arguing to get rid of the winter fuel allowance
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and then very quickly their first budget, which was a total disaster for growth, for business, for jobs and for people
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And there was just mistake after mistake. And I really didn't expect that
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Poor judgment. And I think he didn't really recognise what Trump was about
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Before Trump inauguration, it was quite clear that he was going to damage our country with trade tariffs and create a trade war
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And so I called for a new relationship with Europe over a customs union. either it was a positive development
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it gives a stronger hand to deal with Donald Trump and he didn't take that idea forward
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and you know I think people are getting a bit fed up
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of this merry of Prime Ministers aren they we saw it under the Tories now Labour that seven Prime Ministers will have had in a decade That not good for the country It why nothing ever works I think if you don have that
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stability. And I think it shows that our political system is broken, quite frankly
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Sir Ed, you say it's a country that doesn't work. I just take you back to his speech less than 24
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hours ago. And is this the Britain you recognise? An economy that is stronger, growing
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faster than our peers, wages rising faster than inflation, an infrastructure being
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built, and an end to austerity. Is that the UK you recognise
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No. I mean, I like to give him the benefit of that. He's done some good things, right
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Let's have some balance in this conversation. You know, I think the free school meals, which he
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nicked from us, really, really going hard on things like solar power
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There are a number of things he did well. He was right, by the way, on not backing
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Trump on the idiotic war in Iran, where the Tories and reform wanted that war
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I think the Prime Minister's right to keep us out of that damaging war. So it's not a complete negative thing, but on the big stuff
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on getting our economy going, on sorting our relationship with Europe, on sorting out social care to back the NHS
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you and I have talked about that a lot, it's an issue dear to my heart. It's just failed, and that's been really disappointing
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Can I ask you, I know you've already given your views on this, how significant is it that this would appear
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this transfer of power would be, without a general election, Sir Ed? Well, it's happened there quite a few times before
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so I don't think anyone would be surprised at it. Listen, I think people want to give
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whoever the new Prime Minister, particularly Andy Burnham, give them a chance, but they'll be very impatient
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I think the window for any new Prime Minister is a very, very short one
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And if they don't grasp the scale of the change we need
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you know, publish a defence investment plan which is going to secure our country, get our growth strategy
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I think a closer trading relationship with Europe to sort out the mess of the decade post-Brexit
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I think people will want a general election if he's not up for the change, the real change, that we need