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I was thinking about the J.D. Vance and I was listening to you on my long drive down
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And I'm not sure whether he's right or wrong, but I think he's echoing what a lot of people are thinking in the UK at the moment on the basis that we have all these horrible scandals, we have all these horrible comments, the hotels, the migration is the number one topic in this country, people protesting
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And I think what we've got is an element here of, it starts off with, I think we've got incompatible migration, rather than, I don't think it comes back to colour or whether you're brown or whatever
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I think it comes back to incompatible cultures, if that makes sense
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I think it comes, there's a lot of religion at the moment that's over here that isn't compatible with ours
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They have different values. Like what? Well, I think you've got, I'm trying to be as tactful as I can in what I say and is correct in what I say
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You've got all the grooming gangs, scandals, all of that. In the Church of England
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No within the Islamic religion And the Church of England and the Catholic Church Yeah of course yeah absolutely So it not about one religion is it No it not about one religion But I just think it been focused to us all on this media
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that's coming out day in, day out, in terms of they're the focus
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We're not bringing up the historical BBC allegations anymore. It just seems to be everyone's focused on the migration
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and those causing the problems. I've just seen some reports tonight on X about hotels in Stalwan near Heathrow Airport and other hotels
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It seems to be there's a lot of resentment coming. And I think that's where it's coming from
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I don't think it's necessarily a black or white. I think it's the resentment that's coming from..
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Religious values. So would you say, Damien, that religions that say, I don't know, for example
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that being gay is to some extent sinful or that women don't have the same rights as men
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would you say they were incompatible with our values? I think they are very incompatible
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If you don't hold, if you're not going to allow people to be gay or people to have their own..
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So the Church of England and the Catholic Church are incompatible with British values? They both are, yeah
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Really? Well, they both have been. Our monarch is the head of one of them. Our monarch is the head of an institution that still doesn't allow gay people to get married
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But in the UK, it was illegal to be gay, wasn't it? That's gone now
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If the church had its way it wouldn have been the Catholic church still doesn ordain women as bishops I mean if you want to talk about religions that are at odds with Western values you know it a can of worms you don
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want to open unless you want to start saying that Christianity is at odds with British values
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No, I was actually specifically saying that I think with all the reporting in the media of
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Keir Starmer taking away... You were saying that Islam is at odds with British values
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I think. Islam is at odds with British values. But all I'm pointing out is under your logic
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so is the state, the religion of the predominant religion of this country? Yes. And I'm not
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I'm not necessarily agreeing with the predominant religion of this country. What I'm saying is they're of different values. They're my personal thoughts. You know, I'm not necessarily deeply
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religious. And I know, I know that this country... Sorry, Dave. The Church of England is at odds
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with English values. No. But that's what you're telling me. That is what you're telling me
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You've just told me that the church is at odds with British values. I think the church
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I think as we've progressed with our British values, and we've accepted that
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you know, 30 years ago, you had to hide, and if you were gay, didn't you? You don't anymore
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You still can't get married in the Church of England. No, you know
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you can have civil partnerships, etc. You still can get married Because the Church of England thinks that a gay person marrying another gay person is not right in the eyes of God Yeah No I get you And you know I did say to the person on the phone
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I was sort of quite, I wanted to have a point and sort of say we're, it's a multitude of points I think I've got
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I think I've got the hotels, the money spent on hotels, the immigration, the boats
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It's just so much in your news feed every single day, no matter where you look
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Yes, it is, but it doesn't mean it's right. It doesn't mean that migrants are destroying our civilisation
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Yeah, OK. I'll stand to be corrected. So you agree that immigration isn't destroying European civilisation
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I wonder... Yeah, I'm not sure. I think that... I have to be careful what I say here
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Just say it. I do think it is spoiling. It is against the civilisation
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How? How can it be against the civilisation if the centuries-old Church of England
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on which our values are built, is also against our now modern values
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How can migration be the problem? OK, that's a fair point. Damon, appreciate the call
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Thank you very much indeed
