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Why Consequence Was the 'Designated Crash Out' for GOOD Music | SWAY’S UNIVERSE
Mar 19, 2026
Hip-hop royalty is in the building as the legendary Consequence and his son, Caiden the Crown Holder, join the show for an unforgettable conversation. From the DNA of A Tribe Called Quest to the G.O.O.D. Music legacy, Cons is now passing the torch to the next generation through their new label, 192 Records.
In this episode, we dive deep into Caiden rapid rise in the industry, his viral freestyle moments, and how he balances being a 14-year-old student with his blossoming music career. Cons shares his wisdom on the differences between the golden era and the streaming age, emphasizing the importance of great records and the role of elders in the game. We also get a sneak peek into their upcoming projects, including High School's Hottest and the new single Meet Us at the Diner.
Beyond the music, this interview touches on the powerful bond between a father and son, navigating wealth and abundance with humility, and a touching tribute to the late Bob Power. Plus, dont miss a high-energy freestyle in the Valley of the Hyena and an inspiring health update from Consequences himself.
Chapters
0:00 Welcome Consequence and Caiden the Crown Holder
3:12 The growth of Caiden from infant to artist
6:45 Bridging the gap between hip-hop eras
10:15 Overcoming trauma and defining success
13:30 Launching 192 Records and upcoming projects
16:50 Kaden on writing his own rhymes and school life
20:25 The studio as a father-son bonding experience
23:40 Viral success and navigating social media
27:15 Parenting with values in a world of abundance
30:30 Reflecting on the MTV era and G.O.O.D. Music history
33:15 Remembering Bob Power and Tribe Called Quest
35:45 Live freestyle and health updates
36:27 Outro and final thoughts
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Yo, I had to take that way. But, I don't
0:01
even know what year that was like what
0:03
year that was that that that
0:04
>> 2014 2014
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2014 It was 2020.
0:08
>> Trust me, I know.
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>> Six years ago, the man was seven going
0:12
on eight at that time.
0:14
>> Yeah, let me tell you who we got in the
0:16
room right now. Right now, we got a
0:18
hip-hop pillar in the room right now.
0:20
This dude is legendary.
0:23
I would dare say iconic because he's
0:25
been in the DNA of some of the most
0:27
successful artists in history. When we
0:30
talk about Tribe Called Quest, you get
0:32
out a big round of applause, would you
0:34
please? When you talk about the Good
0:37
Music legacy, give that a round of I'm
0:39
saying the entire legacy because he
0:41
holds Good Music on his shoulders. He's
0:44
the one that waves the flag, okay? And
0:47
now he has his own record label, too. Uh
0:50
and it's called We Not 2 Records. We got
0:52
the one and only the legendary
0:54
Consequence is in the building. Y'ALL
0:56
GIVE IT UP FOR
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>> [cheering]
0:59
>> CONS. CONS. WHAT UP?
1:02
>> [cheering and applause]
1:02
>> The crown holder is here. You know the
1:04
vibes. When I first held him, he was an
1:07
infant in diapers.
1:09
But, he made an appearance on MTV that
1:11
went worldwide. He might have been the
1:13
youngest he was the youngest
1:16
artist to be seen worldwide at that
1:18
given point. I don't think nobody You
1:20
was an artist you wasn't spitting bars,
1:22
but you was spitting goo goo at that
1:23
time. That's all you had.
1:24
>> Goo goo.
1:25
>> [laughter]
1:26
>> Baby goo goo. That's
1:28
somehow he made it rhyme, right? But, he
1:30
went on to accomplish so many things
1:32
being one of the youngest people to ever
1:33
headline SOBs.
1:35
You've seen him on a lot of viral
1:37
moments with freestyles. I've I've seen
1:39
this guy jump on tables in front of
1:42
record executives just to show him show
1:44
them how much talent he has. I've never
1:47
seen somebody so young, so driven, and
1:49
walking in their purpose as I have this
1:51
young man. Have the last time I saw him,
1:53
he was shorter than me. Now, he's taller
1:56
than me. Handsome young man.
1:58
Consolute to you, brother. You've been
2:00
doing a beautiful job as a father. I
2:03
want to say welcome Kaden, the crown
2:05
holder, back to the show, [applause]
2:07
man. [cheering]
2:11
Oh man, that was your single we just
2:13
played, right?
2:14
>> Yeah, meet us at the diner. Meet us at
2:16
the diner, man. So, you writing all your
2:18
own rhymes now? Yeah. Yeah, okay.
2:20
>> [laughter]
2:24
>> I LOVE THAT. UH CONS, MAN, I
2:27
when I think about you, man, you my
2:28
brother and I always tell you I
2:29
appreciate your patience, you know what
2:31
I mean, when it comes to how we interact
2:34
and you Man, Heather and I were talking
2:36
about this. You You're one of the most
2:38
persistent consistent people that I
2:41
think that have ever come out of this
2:42
culture and you never been who what you
2:45
represent, what you stand for. You've
2:47
always been solid on that and I realize
2:49
you've been in a front row seat through
2:51
multiple generations, different eras,
2:54
from the mid-90s, what they call the
2:55
golden era, to today's streaming
2:58
generation. And I think you're the
3:00
perfect person to talk about um some of
3:03
the differences between then and now
3:06
but some of the things that worked then
3:08
that can work now in the business.
3:11
Right. Well, And come up on that mic.
3:13
>> the number one thing that
3:15
always works
3:17
uh in the music business is great
3:19
records. Mhm.
3:21
And great records aren't just aren't
3:24
don't have one component, they have many
3:25
components. Um you know, obviously
3:28
there's the aspect of being a MC and a
3:30
lyricist and
3:32
um it's funny, we uh flew in
3:36
and we got off the plane and we were uh
3:40
getting sorted out with transportation
3:42
and he was just walking
3:45
and um three teenage black girls said
3:49
"You're You fine, you're so fine, you're
3:51
so fine.
3:53
And I was like
3:54
that's the reason why we make records.
3:56
Yeah. We make records for people to be
3:59
able to
4:00
identify you from your song, from your
4:03
music. Yeah. And that's never going to
4:05
change. Everybody that you
4:07
roll called off
4:09
all those situations we came up with
4:11
records
4:12
that people identify us for. Mhm. You
4:14
know what I mean?
4:15
Um yeah, it's great that you can have
4:17
you know, a clip of bars and that's
4:20
that's one aspect of being a
4:23
artist and there's a difference between
4:25
being an artist and a rapper. And I
4:27
think what what is needed more than
4:30
anything else is just
4:32
elders explaining the game and not
4:37
uh restraining the game.
4:40
Ooh. Elders explaining the game, but not
4:43
restraining the game.
4:44
You feel like elders uh
4:46
are holding back information or
4:49
I guess gatekeeping keeping people out.
4:50
>> I think gatekeepers are the reason why a
4:52
lot of people have space heaters.
4:56
Gatekeepers. What is
4:58
What does that mean? Cuz he speaks in
5:00
bars. [clears throat] Shout out to
5:01
Nitro.
5:02
>> [laughter]
5:02
>> Shout out to Nitro.
5:04
It's the reason why it's cold.
5:06
Because
5:07
>> Because I mean, I'm just saying like at
5:08
the end of the day
5:11
when in the golden era, right? When
5:13
there was a limited amount of
5:15
gatekeeping
5:17
um especially on our side. Now, we've
5:19
always
5:21
had to deal with the powers that be.
5:22
That's one aspect of gatekeeping. But
5:24
then there's the aspect of
5:27
self eval- self gatekeeping and and and
5:31
internal gatekeeping where
5:33
instead of, "Yo, I know this kid right
5:35
here. If he had one notch turn, he'd be
5:38
a superstar."
5:40
Instead of that, a lot of times we get,
5:42
"You just don't got it." Mhm.
5:44
And that's
5:46
sometimes that's the case and sometimes
5:48
that's just
5:49
um
5:50
old statement just being a little too
5:52
overprotective and too
5:55
uh me and Horse were just talking about
5:57
this. Shout out to Horse.
5:58
Um
6:00
There's a lot of instances as black men
6:03
and power when because now we are we
6:05
become black men who have some sort of
6:07
power in different degrees, right? But I
6:09
think our energy is fueled by our
6:13
trauma. Yeah. Right? So we lead with our
6:15
trauma not knowing, bro, you good. Mhm.
6:20
You good. You You actually good. Now,
6:23
cuz we just think
6:25
the only way you good is if you a
6:26
billionaire. No, that's not That's not
6:29
the case.
6:29
>> accurate. You are good when you fulfill
6:32
destiny. Mhm. You're good when you can
6:36
look around and do like
6:40
Was Abraham
6:42
peace be upon him
6:43
a billionaire? On record, we don't know,
6:46
but we know that he's Father Abraham
6:48
because he's good for what he gave to
6:51
the to to to the to humanity.
6:54
>> Yeah. And you got to be all right with
6:57
that cuz guess what? We all going to
6:58
check out eventually and only thing that
7:00
stays
7:02
is the seeds that you lay. How do you
7:05
feel about when you when you say most of
7:07
us, which is true, um a lot of a lot of
7:09
us lead with trauma, you know, being in
7:11
in in I'm I'm paraphrasing what you
7:14
said, but how does that apply to you?
7:16
How does that apply to me? Um because
7:19
even in my self-evaluation
7:22
um I go through my I go through my
7:26
one-twos with my hood and I go through
7:28
my one-twos with my family. And you
7:30
know, my
7:31
>> And in the industry. And in the one
7:33
hundred definitely in the industry, you
7:34
know, I'm I'm I'm the designated
7:38
crackhead.
7:39
>> Yeah. For good music.
7:41
And definitely you know, people's
7:44
uh I and look
7:47
so for me
7:48
even in referencing that
7:51
um
7:52
there is certain times where I feel like
7:55
I got to do it because of my survival
7:59
mechanism. You know what I mean? And
8:02
then there's sometimes that people pull
8:03
me to the side like, "Yo, Kaos,
8:05
you too fly to be doing all that crazy
8:07
shit." You just you got to
8:10
re- you got to recalibrate cuz the
8:12
queen's energy for me is a thing like I
8:15
live on that pulse. I live on that
8:17
lightning bolt. You know what I mean?
8:19
And so sometimes I just got to realize
8:22
like, "Yo, people look at you for the
8:25
same thing you said to Kaos like you're
8:27
the you're not the guy who
8:30
who who had to do security at the Tribe
8:32
anymore. That's not You're not the guy
8:34
from Southside who's or you know, who
8:36
lived on Southside and had to who was
8:39
pumping on 192 and 195. You you're not
8:41
him no more." You know, I had gotten
8:43
into it with a artist. I don't want to
8:45
say his name and and one of the you
8:47
know, one of one of our good music
8:50
gatekeepers had to
8:52
talk me off the edge like told me off
8:53
the ledge rather. Like, "Yo,
8:56
Yo, you made a beautiful life for
8:59
yourself and you need to
9:01
hone in on that and build that as high
9:05
as you can. Like, "Yeah, we know you
9:08
ill. We know that. We done seen years
9:10
and it is decades at this point." And
9:12
that's fine, but but
9:15
where you taking next is what's going to
9:17
be your legacy. And now we got 192,
9:20
right? Yes, sir. 192. 192. What does
9:23
that stand for, Kaos? The block. The
9:25
block?
9:26
Oh, that's it? Oh, okay. I thought it
9:28
was some like deep
9:29
Oh, okay. [laughter]
9:31
It's the block. Oh, that's it? It's the
9:33
block and yeah, we looking for you know,
9:35
we got his debut album coming out. High
9:37
School's Hottest coming out.
9:38
>> Hottest, you know, coming soon. Yeah,
9:40
yeah, yeah, yeah. This next quarter,
9:41
actually. So, we we we got the singles
9:44
ready. And he's also producing and he's
9:47
We're going to do something unique with
9:49
with my two records where
9:51
he's going to um
9:54
have his own division where he signs
9:57
his peer group.
9:58
>> Okay.
9:59
>> You know what I mean? Cuz that's not
10:00
It's not just about him just being my
10:02
artist. He's
10:03
my son, my business partner, my right
10:05
hand man, my everything. And I want him
10:07
to
10:09
to grow
10:11
in all at all aspects of the music
10:14
business. You've done an excellent job,
10:16
Kon. I mean, like [applause] you know, I
10:18
know you put so many different ways, so
10:19
many different reasons, but this I've
10:22
only seen your son in with you. You know
10:25
what I mean? Like 14 years you've uh had
10:28
this young man. And that's more
10:30
important to me than a hit record. You
10:31
know what I mean? That's more important
10:33
to me.
10:33
>> I mean, yeah, I can't even I can't even
10:35
quantify him as saying he's a hit
10:37
record. He's just He's [laughter] uh
10:39
He's uh once-in-a-lifetime
10:42
blessing. Yeah. Yeah. I'm curious,
10:44
Caden, from you, man. You You've seen a
10:46
lot in your 14 years, bro.
10:49
>> Definitely. Yeah. My gosh, I can only
10:51
imagine what kind of data your mind has
10:53
taken in being around your dad. Your dad
10:55
done had you around the greatest artists
10:57
from Ye to Q-Tip, you know what I mean?
11:00
On down, right? And when you look at the
11:04
the in the the the your generations and
11:07
the artists that's coming from your
11:08
generation uh right now, you're 14. I
11:11
don't like to focus I don't like to lead
11:13
with the negative. What are you seeing
11:15
as great about the artists that are
11:16
coming out in your peer group? I like
11:18
like how they're like they're switching
11:20
like the beats from like, you know, like
11:21
maybe like trap to like how like they're
11:23
kind of doing it now, cuz like I feel
11:25
like I can hear it coming as like a mix
11:27
of both. Yeah. Definitely. You see your
11:29
And then what would you like to see cuz
11:31
we all got in the game with we want to
11:33
see something improved in the game and
11:34
then what would you like to see improved
11:36
in the culture?
11:38
Um
11:39
cuz like I feel like a lot of artists
11:41
nowadays don't like really collaborate
11:42
with like bigger artists like big
11:44
artists don't collaborate with big
11:45
artists. I would like to see that. You
11:47
like to see that?
11:47
>> Definitely. What's your pen game like
11:49
man? Back in the day I know your dad was
11:51
writing your rhymes. We ain't going to
11:52
debate that.
11:53
>> [laughter]
11:55
>> CUZ YOU WAS YOU WAS saying stuff that a
11:57
8-year-old shouldn't be saying. I mean I
11:59
was always around him so you don't you
12:01
don't know maybe I was writing a couple
12:02
of them. I believe you did and you know
12:04
but I why wouldn't you have one of the
12:06
greatest pen games
12:08
at your disposal? Why wouldn't you use
12:10
it but now you writing your own rhymes,
12:11
right? How hard is it to get a verse
12:14
past your dad and then
12:16
>> to sit there for hours. What do you
12:17
mean? Like you just got to sit there for
12:19
hours thinking of rhymes to just write
12:20
down. I'll be in the crib just you know
12:23
either on a notebook or just on my phone
12:24
writing notes. Uh-huh. Just make it a
12:26
regular hobby. How's school? It's good.
12:29
Okay. Good grades and everything.
12:31
>> 85 90s. Nice. Oh [ __ ] Okay.
12:35
He went up.
12:35
>> [laughter]
12:36
>> Nah nah he definitely um I mean it's
12:39
it's really important like even
12:42
from what you like dating it back to
12:44
dating it back back dating it to what
12:46
you know when he first started
12:48
it was even with me
12:51
starting it and then trying to
12:55
you know wean it down to
12:57
he's so totally self-sufficient. That
12:59
was always the goal. It was never I
13:02
think our situation is a little unique
13:04
cuz I want him to
13:06
you know I'm raising a man before
13:08
anything else.
13:09
>> Yeah. Yeah. Without responsibility
13:12
you can get things misconstrued.
13:14
You know what I'm saying? And so my
13:16
number one thing is like yeah
13:18
from a
13:19
from a living trust standpoint I'm going
13:21
to give you this while I'm here but I
13:23
need you to know how to manage it
13:26
um in all aspects, so that
13:30
I could chill. Yeah.
13:32
>> [laughter]
13:35
>> Trace, what up?
13:37
I wanted to
13:38
I WANTED TO ASK this to both of y'all.
13:41
Um Caden, how did you know that you
13:43
wanted to do this? And then Consequence,
13:45
how did you know that he really wanted
13:47
to do it? Cuz a lot of I don't have
13:49
kids, but I see a lot of people, you
13:51
know, let's just take LeBron for
13:52
example. You know, he plays he hoops,
13:55
his son's hoop. You know, uh this one
13:57
does this, so the kids do that. But how
13:59
do you know as a parent, and then how do
14:01
you know as a child, this is something
14:03
that you really wanted to do?
14:04
>> All right, so I go first. So like, I
14:06
started seeing like everything like that
14:07
my dad was doing. And then as long as
14:10
young as like I just been born. So like
14:12
when I when I was like three, I was at
14:13
school. I was going to stay at like
14:15
after school to play with my friends,
14:16
but I was like, "Yo, can I just come
14:17
with you? Come to the studio." And he
14:18
was [clears throat] like, "All right,
14:19
bet." And I just been loving it. I just
14:20
been loving doing it like ever since.
14:22
Just being around the environment, and
14:24
then that developed Okay.
14:25
>> I think I think it became uh
14:28
a way, because obviously like me being
14:31
an artist is time-consuming.
14:33
And I think his initial instinct was to
14:37
figure out a way to
14:40
spend time. You know, cuz it was like I
14:43
was leaving, and you know, "Where you
14:44
going, Daddy? You going to the studio?"
14:46
And then one day he just was very
14:48
insistent about coming. Like, "No, I
14:50
want to come." Like he was saying, like
14:52
That was a bonding time for y'all as
14:54
well.
14:54
>> Yeah. So now it so it was a fork in the
14:56
road for me, too, cuz it was like
15:00
um either I'mma pick being his daddy,
15:04
or I'mma pick being a superstar on him.
15:07
You know what I'm saying? And
15:09
the
15:11
the choice of being his dad has been
15:15
uh exponentially worth it. You know what
15:18
I mean? Because he's here with me now.
15:20
So it wasn't like, you know, it wasn't a
15:22
flash in the pan thing. It was like
15:25
really a 3-year-old crying out like,
15:28
"Yo, I see everything." And that's what
15:31
I didn't really understand
15:33
um initially what cuz I'm not I wasn't
15:36
three. So, and I wasn't He like he said
15:39
to his point what he's trying to
15:40
articulate is that
15:42
being I I don't know how it feel to be
15:44
born into this. Right.
15:46
>> You know what I'm saying?
15:47
>> Right. I don't know what that's even
15:48
like. I know my
15:50
trajectory with hip-hop and how it is
15:55
starkly different from his. You know
15:57
what I mean? Um because just like Swayze
16:01
said, like
16:02
he was a baby in Swayze's arms. I don't
16:06
know how that feels. I don't have the
16:08
slightest inclination how he feels
16:10
looking up at Swayze. Right. [snorts]
16:12
>> I'm saying?
16:13
Like if he's going to remember him for
16:14
the like I don't know what it's you
16:17
know, but it's such a joy to though
16:19
because
16:21
now we're here and because it's going on
16:23
so long, it's
16:25
Yo, oh I didn't know you had me wear a
16:28
Fendi shirt for that Nicki Minaj video.
16:30
>> Yeah, I said that yesterday. You know
16:31
what [laughter] I'm saying?
16:32
You said it yesterday? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
16:34
yeah, yeah,
16:34
and I was just like, "Oh man, you know
16:36
how much stuff you didn't want to wear?"
16:38
Yeah, we were in we were in
16:39
Louis yesterday. I seen these nice Louis
16:41
and I was like, "Yo, you seen these they
16:43
fire." And he was like, "I tried I got
16:45
those for you. You told me to take them
16:46
back." I was like, "WHAT?"
16:47
>> [laughter]
16:48
>> WHAT?
16:49
WHAT? WHAT? YOU DIDN'T EVEN REMEMBER,
16:51
HUH?
16:52
>> NO, you don't even remember. [laughter]
16:53
Word. I I know you don't remember that
16:55
that MTV moment, do you? I mean, I was a
16:57
newborn, but I remember I definitely
16:59
remember last time I was here.
17:00
>> Yeah. Yeah, of course you do.
17:02
You know, your dad your dad, man, and
17:04
and I think your dad is so proud of you,
17:07
man. He'll hit me and and send me stuff
17:09
and I saw you on a on the radar.
17:11
You saw it on the radar?
17:12
>> On the radar and that thing
17:14
[clears throat] got what? 5.5 million
17:16
views
17:17
>> after that on Tik Tok I got 2.5 million
17:19
views on YouTube. Uh somebody like
17:21
posted it and got 24 million views.
17:23
Uh-huh. And the latest one got Yeah.
17:26
>> Yeah, I can Congrats.
17:27
>> Yeah, he so he wound up on Mafia Thon 3.
17:30
>> Oh, yeah. Um for Carson that's Mafia
17:32
Thon 3.
17:33
>> Yeah, yeah. I saw that. Taking his
17:35
Taking his little man's girl. So. Taking
17:38
his what?
17:38
>> His little You know Rakai? Yeah. I took
17:40
I took Rakai's girl. Like what do you
17:42
mean? You took her out to eat? What What
17:43
do you mean? Took her on a date. That's
17:45
out the sky.
17:46
>> Oh.
17:47
>> [laughter]
17:48
>> Okay. You took her on a on the radar?
17:50
Yeah. Well, now in all in all in all
17:53
seriousness man Break that down, man.
17:55
Well, they
17:55
um
17:57
we had, you know, their camp and us
18:00
having mutual contact. Uh shout out to
18:02
Big Bobby the Boss. Yeah. Um
18:05
we had I've been talking with Bobby
18:08
trying to figure a couple things out.
18:10
Bobby's a a playmaker whatever and um
18:13
one thing led to another. He wound up
18:15
doing a live with uh Reese who at the
18:17
time had She had just gone viral for
18:21
Rakai buying her like a iPhone or
18:23
something.
18:23
>> Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, okay. So
18:26
when they
18:28
um
18:29
so when they did their IG live he was
18:31
getting a lot of resistance from the
18:33
chat. And you know, like this is the era
18:35
we in now with the chat. Like I'm
18:36
getting I'm getting like introduced to
18:38
like the streaming world everything. So
18:40
they At first they didn't know who I
18:41
was. So
18:42
I showed them who I was. They never
18:43
correlated like
18:45
it's been a great experience cuz
18:48
for everything he's done with me that
18:51
doesn't necessarily correlate with his
18:54
peer group.
18:54
>> Yeah.
18:55
>> what I'm saying? Like they don't
18:57
some of the things that like the things
18:58
I'll send you Mhm. Oh, that's crazy. It
19:01
doesn't It don't even register for them.
19:03
But what registered for them was when he
19:05
took when he pushed up on her. Okay. You
19:08
know what I mean? Right. That That Yeah,
19:10
that
19:11
>> [laughter]
19:11
>> That's when we registered the pistol.
19:13
Uh-huh. Um
19:16
And um I mean from there it just
19:18
uh you know, we did we know we had uh
19:22
you know, I asked Kai what he wanted to
19:23
do cuz he's overseas his marketing
19:25
budget and I was like, "Do you want her
19:27
to fly Do you want to fly out?" Like,
19:28
"Yeah, let's do that."
19:30
So, that she flies to New York and they
19:33
do content. No, but Kai's making the
19:35
pressing TikToks. What's he linked up in
19:38
that? This ain't no battle beef for
19:40
nothing. What what is Um you know,
19:41
TikTok is like All My Children.
19:44
Okay, so
19:45
>> For the for the for their age group,
19:47
like that's the way it For those who
19:48
don't know, All My Children is a popular
19:50
soap Right, right. So, it's like
19:52
literally a digital soap opera. So, this
19:55
was like a unexpected plot twist that
19:57
nobody saw coming because he's he's he's
19:59
new to the to the scene or whatever. Oh,
20:01
it's up there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There
20:03
it go. Hey, fellas. So, what have you
20:04
learned being around Kai? Kai is so you
20:07
know, extremely successful.
20:08
>> around him. Yeah, we've been around him.
20:09
Yeah. He ain't never been around him. He
20:11
would he he Kai pulled up the clip Oh,
20:15
and
20:15
>> Wait, you got the you got you got shorts
20:17
on YouTube? Yeah. Look look up
20:19
successful celebrity. It shows the whole
20:21
thing. Okay. We're going We're online
20:23
with it. Hey, Rich.
20:25
>> So, so what's So, how do you
20:26
>> [laughter]
20:28
>> So, has that helped your your music
20:30
career? Yeah, I think so. You think so?
20:32
That's why the girls coming up to me
20:33
saying, "You so fine. You so fine." You
20:35
know? At the airport 11 11 at night.
20:38
>> Uh-huh. Does that bother you that it
20:40
took that for them to recognize you as
20:41
opposed to your skills? That's just
20:43
that's just part of development. Okay.
20:45
That's what I think. You were in Mexico
20:47
City, too? Yeah, it was fire. We was out
20:49
there. Mhm. Yay, North, Justin La Boy,
20:52
King Combs, Rod Wave, Quilleray. It's a
20:55
movie out there. It was fire. Bro, you
20:56
done seen a lot of movies. At 14 Yeah,
21:00
it's a movie theater. I'm
21:02
>> [laughter]
21:02
>> I'm I'm pissed now. Movie boss. A 4D.
21:05
right.
21:06
Did you Did you Did you and North West
21:09
get a chance to Did y'all work on music?
21:11
Not for our project. Definitely soon.
21:12
Soon? Yeah, definitely. Okay, that'll be
21:14
What would that be like for you and Ye?
21:15
>> Something like what Dez did. Yeah,
21:16
right. That would be kind of dope.
21:18
>> Yeah, yeah. The Grammy family 2.0. You
21:21
The thing is like even both of them like
21:23
they you know they started doing All
21:26
this started for his for as him and the
21:28
peer group started with him and North.
21:30
You know what I'm saying? So like you
21:31
know um him and North
21:34
first connected at Saturday Night Live.
21:37
Uh Penelope and Mason was there. He
21:39
spit. You know, and you know I it was
21:41
just was contagious. I think North was
21:44
like, "Yeah, we this this is what I'm
21:45
doing. We all going to do this. We the
21:47
Grammy family 2.0." You know what I'm
21:49
saying? And um you know she's had an
21:51
incredible journey as you know
21:53
definitely you know just just just uh
21:56
went over the gamut. So shout out
21:57
congratulations to North. And um you
22:00
know I'm proud of both of them. I mean I
22:02
I literally can say I'm proud of both of
22:03
them. Like We was on a flight and
22:07
I was playing with Caden. This is like
22:10
what? This got to be 9 8 19 and
22:13
>> He was 19 so like Yeah, yeah. I remember
22:15
we was on a flight going to San
22:16
Francisco
22:18
7 years ago. him and him and North
22:20
jumped me and they've been wilding ever
22:23
since.
22:23
>> Wow. Damn. Thank It's insane. It's
22:26
insane. Right. Shout out to Saint. Baby
22:28
Saint, what up?
22:29
>> I ain't I ain't mad at that man. Man, we
22:31
got Caden the crown holders up in here,
22:33
man. Get to know him. C
22:35
A I D E N. We got Cons up in here. You
22:38
already know the legend Tracy G. You
22:40
want to jump on that?
22:41
>> Yeah, you know I do. Trace, what up?
22:44
>> What's up, bro? Caden, yo, you sound and
22:46
look great. It's been a minute. you
22:48
both. It has been a minute. But y'all
22:50
are right on time. So I'm wondering It's
22:52
interesting because when I think about
22:54
our culture, right? Not only like hip
22:56
hop but the black community
22:59
um
22:59
for much of us but I'm thinking
23:01
specifically about Gen X being like the
23:04
first-time generations of wealth to come
23:08
into the family, you know? And scarcity
23:10
has been such a driving force for a lot
23:13
of hustle, right? For developing work
23:16
ethic, for having a sense of urgency.
23:19
So, Cons, can you share maybe some
23:22
advice for parents who have a child
23:26
who's growing up with abundance, the
23:28
complete opposite of scarcity? How do
23:30
you raise that child to be ambitious?
23:35
How do you raise that child to still
23:37
have a sense of humility when everything
23:41
is at their
23:43
beck and call? Well, the reality of real
23:46
life is that you only as good as your
23:48
last game.
23:49
And so, you could have all the abundance
23:51
you want. You You corny, you corny.
23:54
You live, you live, you know what I'm
23:56
saying? And those are things you can't
23:58
You can't Money can't buy you that.
24:00
Money can't un-lame a lame.
24:02
>> [laughter]
24:03
>> True.
24:06
Very, very true.
24:06
>> Shout out to all the lames.
24:08
>> [laughter]
24:08
>> But what about the way it comes to when
24:10
it comes to work ethic? Because for some
24:12
folks, they might be able to just make a
24:14
quick call to their parents to hook them
24:16
up with whomever. They don't maybe have
24:18
to intern. They can use like nepotism to
24:21
their advantage, but they still, with
24:24
all that entitlement, don't have a sense
24:26
of I got to go out and get it. Is that
24:27
something that can be taught?
24:31
Well, the entitlement is based on
24:34
how you see
24:36
the hedge fund treat others,
24:39
right? So, at the end of the day, if
24:43
because nepo babies essentially are
24:47
connec- are running any play cuz of the
24:50
the mothership, right?
24:51
>> Yeah. So, if the mothership stomps on
24:55
everybody in a disrespectful way, that's
24:58
the behavior pattern that you setting
25:00
up. You know what I'm saying? But if the
25:02
mothership makes the purpose of having
25:06
the money about fulfilling purpose
25:09
itself, then you going to have different
25:11
outcomes and different virtues.
25:12
>> Mhm.
25:14
That's really So, money doesn't allow
25:17
you not to have virtues and principles
25:19
and and and real life interactions. You
25:23
know what I'm saying? It doesn't There's
25:25
no amount of clout that
25:28
will
25:30
uh
25:31
allow you to escape reality. It it it
25:34
will just alter reality. And then that
25:37
depends on just who and what you're
25:39
around and what how you're utilizing it.
25:41
Well said.
25:42
>> it, man. Well said. Conscious here,
25:44
Caden, the crown holder. Look him up.
25:47
Come on.
25:47
>> Yeah, yeah. Conscious with that bully
25:49
album sound like.
25:53
We celebrating online. Yeah, we so back.
25:56
This is one out two, and you should know
25:58
that. You'll hear that in a second, but
25:59
yeah. I mean, you know, listen.
26:03
Uh
26:05
one thing about my guy, he uh
26:08
he going to do that music.
26:09
>> Oh, yeah. Right?
26:10
>> to do that music. Uh-huh. He going to do
26:12
that music, and we focus on that for 26.
26:14
Yeah. Just doing that music, right?
26:16
>> It's great.
26:17
>> That's what got That's what got us here.
26:18
Yes. I like I always see those
26:22
international performances, and to me
26:24
they reflect how huge and how important
26:27
Yo, you remember when we first when I
26:29
when we first met?
26:31
Do you remember?
26:31
>> [ __ ] man. Dude.
26:33
>> [laughter]
26:33
>> What is that?
26:34
>> the the the reason why I'm asking you
26:35
cuz think about the Think about that. I
26:38
think we was in a studio like off the
26:40
Westside Highway when I first met you,
26:42
if I ain't mistaken. Okay.
26:44
>> with Ye. Uh-huh. And he was pulling up
26:46
to
26:47
to do the do the, you know, this is the
26:50
early
26:51
2000
26:53
This is
26:53
>> 90s or No, no, no, 90s probably like
26:56
2000
26:57
>> there?
26:58
Nah, what but Common wasn't No, no, I'm
27:01
not saying
27:01
>> No, no, no, I'm just saying I'm not I'm
27:03
just saying this wasn't This wasn't good
27:05
music. This is Common. Common, period.
27:08
>> Okay. This was when he was trying to get
27:09
the You Heard First Yes.
27:11
>> and things of that, you know what I'm
27:12
saying? What's baby girl's name who used
27:14
to work with you?
27:14
>> Chaz uh Yasmine
27:16
>> Yasmine, man. Right, right, right,
27:17
right.
27:17
>> Yes, we do. I do remember that studio.
27:20
Yes.
27:21
Yes.
27:21
>> Yasmine Richards, yes. Right, yes, shout
27:23
out to Yasmine. Long as it's been a
27:24
minute, but look how Think about that to
27:27
when you see what you're saying. With
27:29
the International show.
27:30
>> the thing that's different with That's
27:31
the difference between me and everybody
27:33
else that you might have seen on Good
27:35
Music. I could tell y'all that story.
27:37
Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like I
27:39
could tell you a lot of stories. I'mma
27:40
write a book called
27:42
Everybody else need to shut up. Mhm.
27:45
That's a nice title.
27:47
>> [laughter]
27:48
>> But let me put that in context context
27:50
because we were very adamant about
27:54
bringing Ye to light using that getting
27:56
MTV to recognize him and Yasmine
27:58
Richards
27:59
went to the put 10 toes down. I remember
28:01
that cuz she came to me and she was like
28:03
I was like of course, you know, cuz we
28:05
had Tech and I had done some stuff with
28:06
him uh prior to that and that's how he
28:09
got his You Heard It First.
28:10
>> Y'all was like It was like the Fab Five
28:12
over at MTV back then. It was you, Tuma
28:15
was there,
28:16
>> Mhm. Rob was there,
28:18
and Rob Like it was
28:20
>> like literally like the Fab Five of
28:22
Michigan over there at the time.
28:23
>> Bro, that was the best That was the best
28:25
assembly of journalists in hip-hop
28:28
history.
28:30
broadcast journalism. I'm not knocking
28:32
the print magazine, but broadcast
28:34
journalism
28:34
>> Right, right, right.
28:35
>> That was the best
28:36
>> And And even then what what made it to
28:39
the future Mhm. You know what I'm
28:41
saying? Like the way that y'all Tuma's
28:43
at YouTube
28:44
>> Mhm. You know what I'm saying? Rob
28:47
brought made genius what it is today.
28:49
>> Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.
28:50
Right. Right.
28:52
And he ran it up. Right. Right. Right.
28:54
Um y'all man, I I I think all our
28:56
legacies are connected because of that.
28:58
You know what I mean? But ours go deeper
29:00
than MTV. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
29:02
>> ours ours rooted in 30 years
29:04
um 30 years ago
29:07
um I'm I'm I'm thinking about
29:10
how long ago when when Tribe when you
29:12
were working when you came out with
29:13
Tribe and 30 plus years ago.
29:16
>> Yeah, cuz I think the first I actually
29:19
you I stand corrected. I think I came
29:22
out for the Tibetan Freedom Concert.
29:23
>> go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
29:25
>> We go back before
29:27
See, you got my mind working. I can take
29:29
you some places you ain't going to
29:30
remember. I Listen, once you said that,
29:33
I was like, "Nah, the first time was the
29:36
Tibetan Freedom Concert."
29:37
>> That's right.
29:38
>> up on Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
29:39
>> But Beats, Rhymes and Life came out and
29:41
Bob Power Mhm. worked on that project,
29:44
right? And we recently lost him.
29:46
>> Can Can we play the jam
29:48
while we on the air? Which one? The The
29:50
ask for the jam. It's called Beats,
29:52
Rhymes and Life. Um Bob Power is at the
29:55
end of the jam playing a police officer
29:58
for the skit. Um this is I'm I'm using
30:01
this as a segue just to
30:03
so people could understand the
30:05
importance
30:06
of I know you've been seeing posts Mhm.
30:08
but what he literally was in the studio
30:11
with Tribe. Like, he wasn't just the
30:14
engineer. He was He's on the album.
30:17
Yeah.
30:18
>> He's you know, like I mean, obviously
30:19
Tip shouted him out on The Chase Part
30:22
Two on Midnight Marauders. Mhm. But for
30:24
me, Bob Power
30:26
um is the person who showed me how to
30:30
record a song as a artist. And we got
30:34
that, DB? We able to play pull that up?
30:37
>> Yeah, here we go. [music]
30:39
Beats, Rhymes and Life turn 30 this
30:40
year.
30:42
Rest in peace to Bob Power. You know the
30:44
vibes.
30:46
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
30:47
Hey, and this the Here's the fun fact.
30:49
This is my sister, Victoria, and my
30:52
homegirl Lisa at the beginning of the
30:54
skit on on the jam. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
30:56
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
30:56
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
30:57
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
30:57
Yeah. Yeah.
30:59
How that sound?
31:02
Rest in peace Bob Power. Congratulations
31:04
to Tribe Called Quest. We got the
31:06
legendary one himself. Khons is in here.
31:08
What up, Khons?
31:10
Come on, man. Rest in power to Pipes
31:12
Pipe Dawg, man. I miss Pipe. Um
31:15
Caden the Crown Holder. You know it.
31:18
This is you know, we was trying to get
31:20
other father-son duos to challenge them
31:22
back in the day. Nobody stepped up. Now
31:24
it's too late.
31:25
They ain't want to do it, right? Nobody
31:27
wanted to do it. All right, but listen,
31:29
we Listen, I want to say congratulations
31:31
on the company, 192 Records, right? Uh
31:34
I'm looking forward to your project, and
31:36
it's called? High School's Hottest. And
31:38
that's coming out when? Around
31:40
summertime. Around summertime. The new
31:42
single we played is? Meet Us at the
31:44
Diner. Man, y'all check that out, man.
31:46
Follow this young man. He's the truth,
31:47
and he's the now and the future. Follow
31:50
that man. Caden the Crown Holder. His
31:52
dad, Khons, man. Wealth of knowledge. He
31:54
should be doing speaking engagements and
31:56
teaching courses in college.
31:58
>> [laughter]
31:59
>> Yo, that was a bar. Anybody hear that?
32:01
Nobody heard that?
32:02
Okay. Okay. All right.
32:04
Khons,
32:05
Khons, you got new music. We're going to
32:06
end this with one of your songs, too,
32:07
right?
32:08
>> I got my new album coming out called I
32:10
Work for Me, April 17th. Uh we got a new
32:13
joint featuring the legendary Mr. Cheeks
32:15
from the Lost Boyz called We Together.
32:17
Yeah, we're going to do that Queens
32:18
thing. We're going to do that Queens
32:19
thing live in here. Okay. You know it.
32:22
All right, look, man. We got DJ Bomb on
32:23
the ones and twos, man. And then Caden
32:26
the Crown Holder, it's a little
32:27
different now. Back in the day I was I
32:29
was I was cuddling you and and coddling
32:31
you. Now I ain't doing that no more,
32:33
man. You in a different space now. Your
32:36
voice done changed, you know, you got 24
32:39
million views, you know. You going to
32:41
have to run your testosterone. YOU GOT
32:45
>> [laughter]
32:46
>> MAN, YOU KNOW WHERE YOU AT RIGHT NOW,
32:48
KAYDEN?
32:49
OH, MAN.
32:51
You asking me or telling me?
32:52
>> I'm I'm asking you. You know where you
32:53
are? Of course I do. Where you at?
32:57
You know where I'm at. Tell me.
32:58
I got to tell you you know where I'm at.
33:00
I don't think you know where you at.
33:01
>> That's ways. You're okay.
33:02
>> Sways, sways. Nah, YOU AIN'T THERE. YOU
33:04
IN THE VALLEY OF THE HYENAS. [screaming]
33:07
>> [laughter]
33:08
>> YO, DJ BOMB, DROP A BEAT ON THEM. NOW,
33:11
HOW HIGH CAN THESE marks be to think
33:14
that they the high off key when the
33:16
[music] records don't work unless they
33:17
start beef and I could drop the best
33:19
verse in a heartbeat. It's kind of hard
33:21
to sleep when they knocking on your
33:23
trailer cuz the girls who started up a
33:25
fan club [music] for Taylor. No, I got
33:26
the bank by my name like Azalea. So,
33:29
they want cut me like I'm from
33:30
Venezuela. So, I squeeze [music] the
33:31
inhaler, catch my next breath knowing
33:34
that feeling can't be my next step cuz I
33:36
was getting fresh since they had the
33:38
fresh fest. So, I do whatever it takes
33:40
to catch my next check. I knew that I
33:41
regret choosing not to be a [music] ball
33:43
hog but then expect to have exacts in my
33:45
call log. Well, it's on, dog, cuz the
33:47
fans been feeling it. But, the front
33:49
office feel the middle of the two
33:50
militant cuz the minute we can't go to
33:53
[music] the dealership. I air the family
33:54
business out like a gorilla sis. Nobody
33:57
real is this. That's a whole fact. So,
33:59
when the words [music] are MOP when we
34:00
both snap. [ __ ] hold that. Hold that.
34:04
My old jersey worth more than a
34:05
throwback [music] cuz I flip harder than
34:07
a gymnast on a floor mat. So, while you
34:09
busy being treated like a doorman, we
34:11
being [music] welcomed to the next place
34:13
the tour's at. They celebrate online and
34:15
be sold back cuz this is 192 and you
34:18
should know that. Yeah, this is 192.
34:21
Come on. Uh,
34:22
this is 192. Come on. YEAH, THIS IS 192.
34:26
COME ON. YEAH. THIS IS 192. Come on.
34:29
Come on. This is 192. Come on.
34:33
I it, man. WE GOT SOME HAWAIIANS UP IN
34:35
HERE.
34:39
WOW, MAN. YO, this is a very surreal
34:42
experience, man. I keep looking at Caden
34:44
and hearing this voice. I'm like, who is
34:47
this?
34:48
>> Crazy, right? Yo,
34:50
uh
34:51
the best rap father-son rap duo in the
34:53
business. Uh
34:55
You know, well, I mean I mean T.I. and
34:57
Domani though, you know, that's a good
34:59
challenge. Come on, man. Don't don't
35:01
front, they They step up.
35:02
>> No, they they don't front either.
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I mean, they definitely got two with it,
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you know, they held their family down.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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>> We respect that.
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>> Yes, absolutely. Khons, man, I
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appreciate you, man. It's good to see
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you, bro. You looking great, too, man.
35:15
This dude does not age. What
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are you doing? I mean, I know you you
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you're very health conscious. Uh yeah,
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yeah. I mean, you know, I definitely
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went through my um ordeal in 2020
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um with my health
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uh you know, being diagnosed with uh
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lupus and
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diabetes type 2 at the time. You know,
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I'm happy to say my A1C level is uh
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non-diabetic at this point and Yeah.
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Amen. Um you know, my lupus is well
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under control.
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Um
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I got my knockout back. I'm cool. There
35:48
you go.
35:49
All right.
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>> in these streets.
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>> Yeah, and and and then Caden, uh I'm
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proud of you, nephew. Man, I'm proud of
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you and I and I'm happy that my my my
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presence has sustained the duration of
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your life so I could be here in 2026
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like I was 14 years ago when you were
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born.
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And if I want to, I'll be here 14 years
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from now. So, okay, Caden, give it up
36:12
for Caden the crown holder. Give it up
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for Khons.
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>> [applause and cheering]
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>> Khons, your new song is called
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>> We Together featuring the legendary Mr.
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Cheeks from the Lost Boyz.
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>> Let's go with to that.
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>> the money not Queens. Play no games. All
36:23
right. You can keep the mic on. We going
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to do that like that.
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