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Roland Martin Addresses 'White Fear' and Celebrities Wearing 'White Lives Matter' Apparel
Oct 11, 2022
Roland Martin stopped by Sway In The Morning to talk about his new book 'White Fear: How the Browning of America Is Making White Folks Lose Their Minds'
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going against the grain
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walking in this truth
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elevating the people
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giving foresight giving opinion
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being on the front line
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sacrificing itself for the advancement
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of his community
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that's what people like him do I'm
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talking about Kendrick Lamar
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that's why I love that song so much
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but even prior to Kendrick Lamar there
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are plenty of the folks who have walked
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that path Mike news oh yeah
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if you go to Chicago they'll talk to you
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about his work at the Chicago Defender
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they'll tell you
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you go to TV one they'll tell you about
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his weekly Morning News show he used to
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do live they'll tell you if you go to
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the NAACP they gave him a couple of
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words for the work that he does they'll
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tell you four four okay four my bad
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the couple wasn't enough sway times two
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he said times two a couple of times you
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go to YouTube you see it's unfiltered
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show you just see some of the most
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provocative things ever said about our
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people and our democracy
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black News Network this man understood
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that understands that in for in order
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for us to advance as a people we got to
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own our own institutions
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be it education
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be it um uh Medical
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we gotta uh law enforcement
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Financial Financial
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definitely news yes we have to run our
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own news channels to tell our stories
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properly this is what this man has done
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I've been to the White House with a Mike
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news oh yeah we walked the grounds I've
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listened to him just adamantly as he
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lectured and even wasn't trying to
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lecture me
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that's just his vernacular HB and he's
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here today to talk about a book that I
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think we all should read it's called
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White fear how the Browning of America
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is making white folks lose their minds
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by The One and Only our good friend here
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today who's a citizen of sway in the
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morning Roland s Martin glad to be here
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hey bro Heather was surprised when I
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said you know that we interact a lot
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that we're friends and you know we text
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we do yeah
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why are you surprised I'm I'm just I
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don't know who sway's friends really are
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Roland well why are you surprised
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he doesn't share that information with
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us he tells us about other things he
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doesn't say that part oh yeah I mean
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it's a lot of folk who I talk to
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communicate with
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um uh there are a number of entertainers
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who when stuff happens they're like yo I
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don't know anything about this okay tell
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me about it uh they'll they'll seek
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advice and counsel before they step out
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there gotcha uh in fact
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um I remember I was at the NBA All-Star
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Game and
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the night before I was it was in the
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hotel bar and we were just talking Ben
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Wallace was there and he we were just in
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the talking he was like yo let me get
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your number because when something come
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up I need somebody to call and I tell
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athletes and entertainers that all the
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time uh you need somebody who knows the
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issues who you can call and say hey I'm
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being asked to speak on this or I might
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go to this event and I might get asked
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about it really what's the 4-1-1 Michael
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Bivins and I talk all the time shout out
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to bed Johnny Gill will call me about
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stuff so numerous cats will do that and
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that's important because
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um if you look at our history when you
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look at the through line from Paul
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Robeson the Harry Belafonte Ruby D I see
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Davis Dick Gregory Diane Carroll Sydney
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portier and so many others uh you had
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that you had that where where they said
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hey this is not my Lane but let me work
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with others who this this is what they
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do and I tell brothers and sisters this
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all the time in fact I was talking to
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Tracy do you know he used to call me all
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the time Jordan at one o'clock in the
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morning who's that Aretha Franklin what
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dude the queen was a a coin people have
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no clue I mean you saw the story how the
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FBI was right here for 40 years right
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the queen watched news I was when I had
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my TV one show I should get up about
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four o'clock in the morning so man it's
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like one o'clock I'm asleep and my phone
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if she had like five if I pull up right
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now you're gonna see about six phone
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numbers I never know what the hell
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number she was called so it's a 248
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number and I'm like what the hell
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calling me from Detroit I'm like I'm
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asleep
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Rel
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Aretha
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man you were killing them white folks on
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the show tonight
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dude I'm telling you and she starts
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because she was not a morning person she
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was a night out man she starts talking
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and I'm sitting on like it's one o'clock
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in the morning I gotta be up in three
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hours but I can't tell the queen stop
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talking you can't do that so let me just
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sit here and listen so about 20 minute
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conversation man she would see me I was
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so tick when I went to Ghana uh my phone
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got wet and I thought everything was
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backed up and I lost all anything came
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from an Android phone I had stuff from
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iPhone I was able to recover but
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everything lost what she was got an
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Android phone
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all the text messages uh we used to text
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uh I lost but I remember them though and
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man one of her last text messages before
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the pancreatic cancer set in she texted
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me and she was talking about Cornel West
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Tavis Smiley me and Dyson I mean she was
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a news she was on point junkie yeah and
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so that's the thing that man it's I just
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tell Cassie that ain't what you do hey
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call somebody pick the phone up and say
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hey let me run this by you before I step
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out there yeah it's important though
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right that like when you see this book
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by the way citizens is called White fear
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how the Browning of America is making
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white folks lose their minds right and
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you're talking about celebrity influence
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and voices and their platforms and we
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just recently saw celebrities where a
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white lives matter
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um T-shirt at the same time this book
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White fear is coming out um what are
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your thoughts on that
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um so let me put this way I don't give a
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damn about Kanye West
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I don't so when I added an interview
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yesterday and someone said uh would you
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sit down and talk to him I said no he
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should talk to his doctor first here's
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why I know when I seen an attention
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[ __ ] I know when I see somebody who's
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always trying to get attention and so if
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I feed the beast the Beast grows
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if you ignore the Beast the Beats gets
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the Beast gets frustrated and they try
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to figure out what's going on uh I have
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we have finite time
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and if I'm going to spend my energy
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less than 40 days from an election I'm
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going to do that with somebody with
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relevance who's truly trying to impact
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our culture in a positive way so let me
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juxtapose that uh that meeting whatever
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Gathering him and Jason Lee did all
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these black folks in Hollywood and they
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were all around the table and was all it
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was everything was black black black
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black
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so you go from black black black black
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to now dissing black lives matter when
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if you have a criticism of the
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organization
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that's different from the movement and
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so uh for so for me I invest my time in
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folk who are seriously about the
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business I got a total ban on on Gossip
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reality show people Kardashians on my
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show yeah I've always had that I don't
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care who you sleeping with who you marry
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I don't care uh if you have a baby you
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get divorced I don't talk about that I
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got two hours I like that there's too
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much [ __ ] happening to Black America for
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me to be wasting my time on so and so
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got engaged I don't give a damn who you
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got engaged to yeah and so and I make it
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perfectly clear I would have my TV one
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show for like three different times my
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producers kept putting in the script
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Sherry Shepard's divorced now I know
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Sherry I said I don't give a damn about
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Sherry's divorce now on the show I might
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talk to Sherry personally I might
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express my thoughts to her personally
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but I just think that we spend we expend
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so much energy on
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entertainers on not on things that that
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don't actually impact our community like
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even if I hear that phrase this is for
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the culture yeah all right who yeah well
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who was it for yeah who is it impacting
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how is it actually how is it actually
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affirming how is it what is it actually
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doing for the culture and so I remember
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I posted
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something on my Instagram and it was
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actually a test people didn't realize it
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I posted something about Nick Cannon and
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Eddie Murphy both having 10 kids
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and it was about 900 comments damn and I
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said wow so when I post about us trying
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to access the 322 billion dollars spent
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on Advertising annually and black owned
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media is only getting 0.5 percent I see
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12 comments I said so we got a lot to
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say about Nick having 10 children I said
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but we have little to say about how we
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can access 30 40 billion what do you
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blame that on I blame that on uh that
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our in we've had so much pain
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that we are so reliant on laughing and
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being entertained and having a side I
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need to be I need to be just can I just
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get away from it that's one but two this
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is what happens when you allow somebody
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else to control the narrative into your
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mind so when you actually had powerful
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black newspapers uh people could talk
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about oh yeah ebony put a celebrity on
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the cover but you had real content on
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the inside and so you were getting that
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uh it was jet and the Chicago Defender
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that put the photo of Emmett Till on the
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cover so you had real content the
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problem now is we are literally asking
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somebody else permission to tell our
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story and so what then happens is uh is
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it's a feeding process we have new you
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have food deserts you have news deserts
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well if you have a community all you got
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are fast food restaurants and liquor
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stores and uh and payday lenders that's
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going to drive you so your body is
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craving only what you see so you gonna
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be eating fast food and drinking liquor
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all day well when you only are being fed
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entertainment and gossip and reality
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shows then becomes a self-fulfilling
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prophecy because we flood we will watch
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a Housewives show like crazy but then
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we'll ignore something that that matters
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but then when something hits us we look
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why we didn't know because your ass was
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watching this over here I I don't mind I
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don't mind entertainment but you have to
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understand check the Nielsen report
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black people watch in excess of 50 hours
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of Television a week
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wow that is second place ain't even
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close to us now what are we watching
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so what they do is they're so they say
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we're going to feed y'all all of this
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stuff and we we consume it oh my God we
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just sucking it up which means feed more
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feed more you even look at own you look
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at how now you got Huntsville this
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lovely like all of these it's the same
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Oprah's network Oprah's network well
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it's discovery's Network
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she sold she sold to Discovery so
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Discovery now owns 95 of it okay okay
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but but they still own but the point I'm
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making is
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like I see Queen sugar so much I can't
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stand when the commercial breaks come
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because I can't stand watching those
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commercials because it's how what are
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you constantly feeding our people and so
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that's all I'm being fed that's all I
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talk about
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that's all I think about that's all I
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tweet about and post about so my I'm
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saying y'all
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if I'm over here talking about how we
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can get 50 million
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and you over here spending your time
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about next 10 kids which has absolutely
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no impact on you I'm just saying
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322 billion if we get 10 of the 32
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billion dollars annually five years is
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150 billion we talking about somebody
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kids yeah
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that is that is what's problematic for
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me and so when Kanye dominates I'm not
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going to expand I have Molina Abdullah
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on my show like last night of Grassroots
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yesterday I ain't talked about them I
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talked about his attack on them I ain't
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talking about the shirt detect because
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that's exactly what he wants that's what
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Candace wants Candace Owens is an
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irrelevant airhead
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air head that's why her ass won't debate
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me that's why she blocked me then she
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lied which of the White House when all
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the Republicans she was there with all
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them uh all them other uh black make
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America great again fools and so when
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she saw me man she threw me a nasty
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looking I was standing there smiling
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what are you doing here I said oh I
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cover black stuff
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oh boo this ain't my first time you
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didn't say Boo come on I said oh yes I
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don't know see I said you got to say it
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see there's a way to be dismissive
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it's like when you tell somebody uh
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that's a cute little hat it's the Lil
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Partners the little part that little
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part we say you say little it's the same
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thing we say oh boo okay okay hold on
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did you see why I have the you see why
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uh you know the phone
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that's how dare you be here I was like
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blue I cover black stuff is this not a
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black event
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well you called me and Uncle Tom and a
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[ __ ] I said well that's a lie I said
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because I don't allow those words to be
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used on my show I said I know you lying
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and [ __ ] you did I said prove it
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I said prove it please by all means pull
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the Tweet up take your time
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and she was throwing me looks I think I
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was like why you mad
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okay let's talk about this book I know
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you got a lot going on
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white fear yes it's real we're seeing it
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play out the cover the cover shot itself
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white man arm outstretch from January 6.
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what he's saying is all of this is ours
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that's what the photo says all of this
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is ours why fear that's what that that's
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what that was about that day remember
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Trump attacked and he said the elections
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were rigged but he kept naming four
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cities
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Atlanta
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Philadelphia
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Detroit what they got in common
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yeah now why do conservatives show they
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go Democratic run cities
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black people because there's a lot of
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democratic run cities that are white he
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ain't mentioned Austin
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he mentioned Austin Texas he didn't
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mention uh some place you know hot no no
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no he mentioned four black cities and
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that's what you're seeing this fear has
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been kicking in for quite some time
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first there was a study that was there
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was a poll that was asked in 2009 around
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Obama's election inauguration are you
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optimistic about the future of America
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for your children
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every group black Latino Asian or the
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majority said yes one group was less
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than the majority
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White America
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September 2016 a poll was asked are you
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optimistic about the future of America
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economically for the next 10 years black
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people low as wealth
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has optimism
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that makes no sense Latinos second
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lowest wealth second has optimism white
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people highest wealth
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lowest Optimist what do you accredit
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that to easy because they see what is
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happening the demographic shifts
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everything that you're seeing
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politically right now is about 2043.
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everything culturally is about 2043 and
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that's when America will no longer be
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majority white in 2009 when that poll
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came out John Avon now at CNN we're
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about to get going the air and I said
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John we are living in the beginning
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stages of white minority resistance
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he's like what do you mean I say oh wife
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was about to lose their mind because the
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closer we get to 2043 I said then all of
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a sudden it becomes real so you got 58
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members of Congressional Black Caucus
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the largest caucus on the Democratic
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side and let me be real clear when I
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talk about white fear I ain't talking
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about white conservatives I'm talking
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about white liberals
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I'm talking about why white wiping
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places yes because this is about power
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and money
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who controls the Democratic apparatus
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the money white Consultants they freeze
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out black Consultants Black posters they
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freeze out black campaign managers very
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few they control this is about money
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this is about control everything in
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America has been defined through the
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prism of whiteness from the beginning
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everything and so now all of a sudden we
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get to have an opinion why you think all
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of a suddenly pissed off about critical
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race Theory diversity equity and
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inclusion multiculturalism they long
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been pissed off about affirmative action
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which is hilarious to me that white
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folks can be so mad about affirmative
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action when the greatest beneficiary
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affirmative action has been white women
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white women have benefited more than
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anybody else we are celebrating Title IX
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this year Title IX was about opening the
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doors of professional schools to women
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Title IX is what a lot so everybody talk
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about it from the sports standpoint no
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Title Nine is what created women to be
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Engineers doctors dentists lawyers
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that's for Title IX now here's the
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second part where does Title IX come
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from
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civil rights the 1964 Civil Rights Act
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so black people fought to get a 64 Civil
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Rights Act uh it was a racist uh
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representative Smith judge Smith out of
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Virginia who inserted women into the
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bill thinking he was going to kill it it
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actually got him more votes and so white
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women
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have benefited
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from a bill that black folks died to get
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you look at yesterday's Supreme Court uh
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oral arguments when Judge katanji Brown
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Jackson broke down the 14th Amendment
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the 14th Amendment the equal protection
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Clause was about black people the 13th
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14th 50th amendments were reconstruction
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amendments and so when you look at where
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we are in the history of America every
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time we've had black success immediately
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followed by white backlash because for
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them it's like oh my God they about to
18:39
get stuff that's what's driving this
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not always but that's what's driving it
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and so we got to understand what's
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happening politically and how we are
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being impacted with the politics and
18:49
they want to control the agenda for the
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next 50 to 100 years because they see
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that train coming and you're hoping well
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with this book is this uh information
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source to Enlighten people uh
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enlightening Challenge and challenge one
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I need white folks white conscious folks
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to begin to have real conversation
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amongst themselves and challenge their
19:10
brothers and sisters and aunts and
19:12
uncles and nieces and nephews in the
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conversations but I need black people to
19:16
understand that we must be prepared for
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what's what's about to happen which
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means we must be more fervient when it
19:22
comes to education yes we must be
19:23
protect truly practicing black
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Collective economics we must take
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advantage of when the shift happens when
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we get to close to 2043 we will be in
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position to take advantage of the
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demographic shift as opposed to looking
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like South Africa where numbers change
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but Power Remains the Same
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Roland Martin man get a man a round of
19:44
applies I know he got to go to his next
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uh
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you didn't say boo rolling I know you
19:50
didn't save him
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I can be Petty yes indeed man but I love
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when you come up here white fear how the
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Browning of America's making white folks
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lose their minds
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um Hey listen man make sure you order
20:01
the book read it for yourself that's
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right read it for yourself and make sure
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you give rolling your comment how can
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