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Tamika D. Mallory Talks New Book ‘State of Emergency: How We Win in the Country We Built’
May 24, 2021
Social activist and co-founder of Until Freedom, Tamika D. Mallory called into Sway In The Morning to talk about her new book, State of Emergency: How We Win in the Country We Built.
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women were whipped jailed and often
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murdered
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for attempting to learn to read and
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write
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one of the most powerful voices of our
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generation
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what an amazing person she may not want
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to hear this i don't think she does
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i know she doesn't do it for herself she
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does it for the people
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the sacrifices she's made the attacks
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she's endured but the enlightenment and
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the empowerment that she's given
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is invaluable to us as a people to us
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as a country to us as a world i want to
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invite each and every one of you to get
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her book
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state of emergency how we win how we win
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in the country we built db can you do
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the honors of who we have back on the
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show again
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yes she's an activist and a humanitarian
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she's one of the organizers of the 2017
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women's march which was recognized
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by the time magazine time 100 she's made
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numerous public appearances and
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protested against the murders of george
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floyd and brianna taylor among others
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which she still continues to fight for
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social justice she's a citizen of sway
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in the morning and she came by here last
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time with my son and yandy smith
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she's here to talk about her new book
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state of emergency how we win in the
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country we built
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which is out now please welcome her back
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to the show tamika
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mallory tamika hey tamika hey
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family hey big congrats
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what's up family congratulations on the
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book you're a great writer
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thank you so much man it's my first big
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project and uh it was it was a short
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timeline
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and so very aggressive i learned a lot i
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learned a lot about myself in the
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process
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so i'm pretty proud of of what i've
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created
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talk about the process if you could be
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transparent like what what did you learn
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about yourself that you didn't already
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know
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well i know you know the discipline and
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focus
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that it took to uh complete it
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especially in the short time that i had
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you know usually people start writing
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books
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i know you guys know uh it's it can take
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a long time you know it can take over
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a year i think some of the greatest
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writers
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of our time have missed their deadlines
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over and over just trying to get it
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right
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and in my situation they really wanted
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me to have the book out by the time
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of the one year uh anniversary to when i
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spoke in minneapolis after george floyd
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was killed
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and so that um you know just was an
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aggressive time period
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and um i learned that i do have the
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focus and i did have what it take
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what it took to sit still and really
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just kind of pour out of myself so much
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that i've learned
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i also worked with another young man
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phillip mcharris
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on research and really digging deeper
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into things that i knew a lot of things
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you know we we understand from a surface
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level but
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once you get into the real reading and
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understanding
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of the time that these things were
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happening in and
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and just understanding the history in a
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deeper way there's so much context that
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we lose
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that actually provides uh you know some
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i guess a knowledge base for what we're
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experiencing today
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so it was really a hard process
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because i was living in louisville
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kentucky during the heart of when the
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book was being written and
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um and you know and i did work with
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another young lady ashley antoinette
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that
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made me sit still and we had a schedule
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of
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four hours every other day that we would
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write and talk and go through
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all my notes and things that i came up
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with and we're going to protest
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in the evening in the morning you know
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running in and out and then still having
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to go back and sit still for these four
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hours
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it was it was hard
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wow i mean you know a process you know i
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watch you all the time as
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you know i follow you and i i see the
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work uh you've done
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um i've seen the work you know your
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colleagues have done and i i must say
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i'm very proud
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you know it's really proud i'm very
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proud you know and
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i know it's extremely exhausting and
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you know i've seen you guys be
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questioned
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you know it's funny sometimes the people
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that are closest to you to make the
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things most difficult and you got to
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endure that you know people attack you
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whenever you're walking in the light
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you're going to attract everything
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you're not you're going to attract the
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moths
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as well as the butterflies you know what
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i mean but it takes a whole lot to be
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able to
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keep your blinders and walk forward and
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walk and continue to walk into that
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light
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how did you endure your naysayers when
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every day you're dedicating every moment
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of your life
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um to just bettering the environment the
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community for our people but then you
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have people from the community
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that seem to want to work against you
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what was your process in
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dealing with that coping in there go
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ahead
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you know it's an everyday thing it's not
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what was the process because we deal
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with it every day
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i was just actually reading a post that
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someone did diddy
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uh did a video uh on his own nobody
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asked him to because only in ditty
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fashion
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when he's behind something uh you can't
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tell him what to do he's gonna run with
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it his own way
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and he posted about my book yesterday
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and i was reading
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some of the comments and the level of
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ignorance from
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our own people is just so like for
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instance this is something that i keep
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hearing people say
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well cardi b can't even speak well
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so why would we have her in in the book
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as far
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forward and my thing is get the book and
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read it and understand
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why cardi would be in the forward
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obviously
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it was intentional it's for a reason
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she's there because she's in
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conversation
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with uh dr angela davis and they're
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talking about something similar because
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first of all i don't think that she
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can't talk i think when cardi speaks
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millions of people get it around the
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world
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but um but you know she understands that
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she doesn't have the
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perfect uh language to talk about racial
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justice
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and she calls people all the time
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whether it be sean king or myself or
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others to get information about issues
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and try to figure out where does she
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stand and sometimes she goes up she
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walks away saying okay i agree with you
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and other times she said no i don't
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agree and i'm you know
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this is something i'm going to speak of
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in my own way
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and i think that's powerful because she
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while she may be an entertainer she's
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still
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using her voice to speak truth to power
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and the reason why i put the two of them
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together in the forward of the book
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is because i know that there are other
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cardi b's out there
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who are trying to figure out is there a
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place for me
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in this movement i care about the issues
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i have the passion
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but i'm not sure that i'm going to be
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accepted if i show up and i'm trying to
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get involved
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and i want to make sure in fact i'm
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really writing more so for them
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and not just writing but all the work
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that we do
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is for the cardi b style you know the
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cardi b
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type and that that's my target audience
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when they ask you you know when you're
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doing your funding and all of those
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things and they say well who are you
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trying to reach
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my position is i want to reach those
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people who listen to and follow
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cardi b those who watch love and hip hop
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that doesn't mean
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that others are not important but those
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people have generally
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found some entry point to do whatever
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work they're going to do it's the folks
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that
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haven't that i'm most concerned with and
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so
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you know it is it's sad that our people
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at times
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because of the trauma of what we have
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experienced
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can be so bitter and bruised and broken
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and as a leader you have to understand
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that most of the time it's not even
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about you because people are critiquing
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something they haven't even read
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so this has nothing to do with what's in
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the book it has everything to do with
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what's in their hearts and what's in
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their lives
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i read the book i think the book is
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eloquently written
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i love what cardi b said yes even
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addressing that yes i'm a rapper yes i
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twerk no i'm not trying to be your
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children's role model but i still have
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an opinion
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on the injustices of black and brown
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people i don't care that i'm not perfect
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i don't care that it doesn't come out
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eloquently
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which i just i think it does but people
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misunderstand my message sometimes
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because it comes out wrong i don't
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express it like a scholar i get
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emotional i let my anger bring out the
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accent and sometimes
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it exposes things i may not know a curse
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call people out
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but you don't have to you don't have to
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be a college graduate to be on the right
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side of history
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that right there how powerful is that
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yeah you know and um a lot of those who
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critique never been on those front lines
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they like what they call monday morning
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monday morning quarterbacks they're not
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willing to sit outside of someone's home
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and sit on a line because of the
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injustice in that environment and be
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arrested and go to jail like you guys
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have done
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you in the middle of covet in the middle
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of course
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we were inside of a jail in kentucky
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and you know that was another thing oh
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this must be fake for porsha
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and yandy you know they're just trying
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to get on tv and
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and it's so sad that we speak of what we
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don't know and i want to do better in my
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life and
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because of what i experienced i am doing
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better
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in terms of jumping to have an opinion
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on things i don't know
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so for instance the issue around porsha
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it was oh
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you know well she she was dead before
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the cameras actually there were no
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cameras with her and
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she was threatened by because of kovit
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she was threatened by
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the well whoever the folks i guess is
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bravo that does housewives
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she was threatened by some of the folks
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for production to say listen we're gonna
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have to cut you from several scenes
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because you can't come back to
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production
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after being around people at rallies and
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in jail like
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that puts other people's lives in danger
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when i say threat and i don't mean it in
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a negative way i'm just saying
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they were trying to protect their set
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and they did not want her returning
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after being at rally so they didn't send
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one camera at all
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the footage that she received that they
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used they had to purchase from people
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who were on the ground
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doing you know taking videos and little
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cell phone clips
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that's how they put together the package
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that they showed
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around her activism but they didn't send
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one camera from
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the housewives show to tape her when she
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first came and got arrested and
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again we speak on things that we have no
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understanding of
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you know who the heck when they have a
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child at home
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wants to go to jail with folks and the
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second time that porsha and yandy were
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arrested i didn't even go in because i
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wasn't feeling well and the last thing
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you want to do
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is go to jail when you already have heat
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exhaustion and you're not feeling well
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and and for us when you are being when
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we when we have civil disobedience at
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our marches
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and different actions it's a personal
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choice there's no
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pressure on anybody there's no well you
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are less of a of an activist or you're
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less courageous because you didn't get
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arrested we don't do that we tell
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everybody this is a personal choice
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because when you walk through those
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doors
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they can easily come back and tell you
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oh we lost your paperwork
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or there's something on your record that
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has to be dealt with so you got to save
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more time you need to get a lawyer
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you don't know when sandra bland went to
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jail about
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a broken taillight and a argument with a
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cop
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she ended up dead she was in there for
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three days and she
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ended up dead and we you know every all
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summer that that year
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we kept saying if i get arrested and i
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die
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i did not kill myself so this is a
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personal
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choice that you're making to put your
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life and jeff and of course there are
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people
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out there who use these moments for
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their own attention but that is rare
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it's very
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rare and i think again we have to stop
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speaking on what we don't know
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and trying to tear down people who are
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doing what you are not willing to do
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amen there it is tamika d mallory is his
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state of emergency how we win in the
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country we built
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forwards by angela uh dwight davis and
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cardi b
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uh trace you want to jump in there oh my
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gosh absolutely tamika love to you
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always my sis in all the ways
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i think that from what you were just
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sharing
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it reminds me that so many people just
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don't honor the fact that we're
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multifaceted you know what i mean
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they get a slice of who you are
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and mistake it for the entire pie you
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know what i'm saying
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they look at cardi maybe they're first
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introduced by a single clip on instagram
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and then they're just glued to that and
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think that she
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there's no way she's capable of thinking
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about anything else and then on the flip
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side
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it can be for uh to make an activist and
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think that you were just
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born an adult with a microphone you know
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what i mean
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who was leading the community this way
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and in your book what i think is so
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important for us to in honoring your
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humanity
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as well and caring about your mental
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health and making sure that
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we protect you the same way that you're
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protecting us i love
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that you gave us so much vulnerability
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and you are so candid
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with speaking about your life um as an
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adolescent
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and saying how you believe you spent
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your time defying
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your purpose in the beginning you know
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what i mean and you had like
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one foot in one foot out to quote you
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can you share
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a bit about um the adolescent your
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adolescence that
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duality and how it changed to tamika
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mallory we know today
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listen man i was i was i was in the
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street
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you know i i grew up in the projects in
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harlem
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you know people i like you said people
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think i just i was born into where i am
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today and that's it
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and and and now for some reason that i'm
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trying to act like a perfect person i am
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so
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not perfect i i have many flaws just
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like
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the rest of us and when i was young you
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know i
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was growing up in the projects but my
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parents were very active
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they were in whatever had to do with
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empowerment for black folks we had to go
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and it wasn't it was very similar to
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church you didn't get
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an opportunity to say well i don't feel
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like it this week you had to be there
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it was a part of the the structure for
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which
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our family existed and um
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as i got older you know you're going to
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rallies walking through the projects so
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the hood is lit everything is going on
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people hanging out
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all night i'm watching the girls with
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the bamboo earrings i was trying to
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figure out how to get me some 54 11.
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okay you know but i wanted all the
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colors of
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those then they came out with the asics
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and then leather jackets with the
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tassels on it and i was like this is my
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light like what is happening here why
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am i living in a situation where i'm
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always around all these old folks and
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they
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sheiki's they went into their culture
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i'm like this is not what i want to do
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i was watching movies like belly um
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and i just decided that hey i'm gonna
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start running away from home and that's
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what i did
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i ran away and i found the crew
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and i got in the street but then i met
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my son's father
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and um it kind of basically getting
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pregnant
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slowed me down and i always say my son
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saved my life because
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had it not been for him the road that i
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was traveling was one that would
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absolutely have led me to the same place
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where his father ended up which is dead
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um and you know jason
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uh was a good dude who came from a good
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family
15:43
but he dealt with a lot of issues in
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terms of his parents and their lifestyle
15:48
both of them were they had the disease
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of addiction
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they were perpetual drug abusers and um
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his at the time his mother she
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who god rest her soul she's now deceased
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but when i met
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him his mother was in prison and so he
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he was dealing with a lot and like i
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said he had an amazing family because
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his grandparents were they had to take
16:10
care of him
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but no matter what when your parents are
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not stable
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uh sometimes that can it just is
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something you can't overcome
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and he got killed and when he was killed
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i was
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just like wow like i now see what my
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parents have been trying to tell me
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it's like it clicked and i started to
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dedicate myself to the movement in a
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real serious way
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and um you know
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it was personal experience for sure but
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there was the foundation of the fact
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that they had
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been bringing me around it for so long
16:45
that it wasn't like on
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it wasn't a place that was unfamiliar um
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and so i just kind of got involved and
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you know i worked for reverend sharpton
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for 14 years
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grew into my own leadership and here i
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am today
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but it did it's okay that some people
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have to travel through
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uh whatever role they need to go through
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in order to end up where we're supposed
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to be
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we like where you arrived and continue
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to live okay
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and we appreciate it i i found one part
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of the book really interesting and um
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i thought it was really great uh it was
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a part called karenism
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and this is where you say you saved your
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moment to speak directly to white women
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and that's a conversation i would like
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to sit and listen to
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and it was important that you put this
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in your book
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why and what is it that you want wanted
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what it is that you wanted to discuss
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with white women
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you know sway after being
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you know what we went through with the
17:46
women's march it was hard
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um most historic gathering
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of people around the world
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but particularly here in the u.s there's
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never been a day
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where more people have marched and
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we were responsible for that but we
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worked alongside a lot of folks who had
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no racial analysis they hadn't done
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any work in unpacking their own issues
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um they just wanted to fight trump and
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we had to
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we went through a lot to educate them on
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the fact that trump wasn't the beginning
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nor will he be the end of especially
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the sexism that they were so concerned
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about but the racism the fascism and all
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the things
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all the isms and to teach people as you
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know because
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obviously since at least george floyd
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but definitely the trio of ahmad aubry
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brianna taylor and george floyd
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we all have found ourselves having to
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educate white folks much more than usual
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and it's it's it's a hard task to have
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to explain
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over and over and over again um all
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these
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issues and then to realize that the
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women that we were working with
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we were literally starting at ground
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zero for some of them
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they had no idea no understanding and
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you know that's the reason why i talk in
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the book about
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allies versus accomplices because they
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have become allies we all wanted to
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fight for the same thing
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but they can turn it off and they could
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go home and say
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okay well i'm still gonna go to my
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mother's house knowing that she's racist
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as can be
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she you know is do she uses derogatory
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language to describe
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mexicans and black people um and
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but i can still go hang out there and
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say nothing to her about
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it because i'm an ally right it's only
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me but when you become an accomplice
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that's somebody who's gonna say my i
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will not come back to this house
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unless you stop using the words that
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you're using to describe
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other communities because it's harmful
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and if you think of them that way
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you will treat them that way and i
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wanted
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and i wanted in the book to take my
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experience within the women's march and
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allow
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for white women to pick up the book and
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read it and say
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here's the work i have to do and i need
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to make sure
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that i explain this to other people
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around me because it
20:10
is very very challenging when you are a
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black woman
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specifically to work around white women
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who will weaponize their white tears
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against you
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and the drop of a dime but they will but
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if you do the same
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you are looked at as dangerous unstable
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um you know incapable of handling a job
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and so it's actually life-threatening
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for a black woman to cry
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in public or to get upset but for a
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white woman if you do it
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it actually is the thing that will get
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you all the attention in the world
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even if it means that you're lying on a
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black man as we have seen so many times
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um and so i decided that it was an
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important part to write in the book
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because as so many white women have come
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to me to say i'm ready
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i wanted them to have a resource of some
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way that they could go so they can learn
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more about the abuse
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and i'll say this i'm not the only
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person that wrote these
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this the you know these types of books
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there's other uh material out there that
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covers some of the same things
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and hopefully my book because of my
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visibility will open up the minds and
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hearts of others to go out and pick up
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uh material from other voices other
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thought leaders
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but i just tried to write it in my own
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way with my own seasoning that you know
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only what they say is what's for you is
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only for you
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um and and i think that's why state of
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emergency is such a powerful
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piece of material okay man we got well
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round of applause i want everybody to
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pick this book up it's an
21:39
excellent read tamika d mallory a state
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of emergency how we win in the country
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we built
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um the phones lit up when you start
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talking about this section
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and um actually since you first came on
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we got ambro on the line from illinois
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uh grand rises amber how are you doing
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hey am thank you
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hey how are you
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good good i actually just literally
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jumped in the car and i
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and i heard the topic and i was telling
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the gentleman that i just wanted to
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apologize
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for us white people that doesn't
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i don't understand i'm sorry i'm upset
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don't cry um i've been married to a
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black man for nine years now
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um uh you know i dated
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black kids i mean i don't even know how
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to go about saying this you guys i'm on
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the air
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i just know that i've dealt with a lot
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of racism from
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my family and friends when i was a child
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growing up because
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i love the black culture and
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you know um i just wanted to say that i
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i apologize for all of the stupidity in
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the world and um
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that's that's just basically about it
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um amber uh do me a favor
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once you pick up tamika's book yes okay
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go read her books and then you can reach
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out to her directly on her social media
23:02
if you have any feedback perhaps if she
23:04
got time she could
23:05
respond to it i just don't like being
23:07
put on the spot and i obviously put
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myself on the spot but yeah
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you did that you did that you did that
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all by
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yourself i just want to say amber
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i appreciate you calling in and um just
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know that there are
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many white folks out here who have
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become
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uh great partners in this work and you
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know
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we we understand that the history that
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you have is not one that you created but
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it is something that you have to work to
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dismantle and
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uh we want to be partners in doing that
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yes
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for sure amber you made that you made
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that you made the call so that's a step
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in the right direction okay
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you all right amber all right you're a
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citizen okay and sway in the morning
23:50
all right cool a citizen of its way
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in the morning thank you
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didn't have the being tracy uh skye what
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up skye in houston
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hey skye hi hi julie good hi
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i feel i'm happy i got through i love
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your work and i love your readings and
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as a young black woman i
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completely relate not only as a young
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black educated woman do i have to fight
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against white supremacy in the workplace
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and in the world
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i also feel like as black women we also
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have to fight against each other in the
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workplace
24:25
i feel like when we're working we're
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being hazed by
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other black women instead of being
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uplifted
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and mentored to you
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yeah well i mean i think it goes back to
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what we were talking about
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at the beginning of this conversation
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this idea that
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we are so traumatized and you know and
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also we just have to
24:46
always keep in mind that white supremacy
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has created
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uh this this unfortunate um
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uh push and pull and competition
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between people of color between black
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folks where we feel like
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there's not enough room at the table so
25:03
therefore we're fighting
25:05
to try to get to places that make us
25:07
feel successful
25:08
and we do it however we've been taught
25:10
this we've been taught
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and i talked about that in my speech
25:14
last year
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that we learned most of these behavioral
25:18
patterns through
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the education of white supremacy and
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we now have to start the process of
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tearing those things down
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and building what it looks like the
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world that we want to live in
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and i think you know for me one of the
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most important pieces
25:35
is for us to be the change that we want
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to see
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you have to actually live it out
25:40
yourself and so when people see you they
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see light they see
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hope um and you become an example of
25:46
where we're trying to go
25:48
versus the negative energy that if we
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don't fight against it
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will continue and continue to harm
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people
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absolutely hey sky
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thank you for your call okay uh father
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today is coming up
26:04
this is a great book the by father's
26:06
just putting it out this guy you're a
26:08
citizen
26:08
okay in the morning turn it into a
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family book club
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absolutely um tamika i can't say it
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enough
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anytime this platform is your your
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platform tell freedom this is
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part of your your your the whole
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movement so anytime you want to come up
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here know that we're here for you and we
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support
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everything you do uh chapter 15 is the
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fight is not
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yet won where do we go from here can you
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answer that question for me
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well i think that the fight is not yet
26:37
won and therefore the fight must be
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strong
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we we fought to get a new administration
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in
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office we fought to uh secure
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two important senate seats and now we
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got to force them to do the work
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there's been no time in history
26:54
where people just did what they needed
26:56
to do for black people because they
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liked us
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that hasn't happened we always have to
27:01
fight but we're in a better position
27:03
to get the individuals that are in
27:05
positions of power
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to do the work if we can come together
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and let them know that there's no
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division
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among us we might not be trying to do
27:14
things exactly the same way
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but we all need to be consistent and
27:18
clear about what it is that
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we need and wherever we have uh the
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power of our voices
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and influence we should be using it to
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say to this administration that there
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has to be some real change in this
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country
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from a policy perspective and then the
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last thing i'll say is that we shouldn't
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allow
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uh the the need for policy the need for
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that type of change to stop us from
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building our own
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and from finding ways to invest together
27:45
to build our own schools to make sure
27:47
we're educating our young people
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and that we are you know taking the time
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to figure out how we can help one
27:53
another grow
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because no one is going to do for us
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what we can do for ourselves
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and that's self-determination i've been
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talking lately about this
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idea that we only study the kwanzaa
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principles during december
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and we talk about it for seven days and
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then we're done but if you think about
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self-determination
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and unity and some of the other
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important principles we need to be
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talking about them all year long because
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those
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principles have in it a very important
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uh
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i guess a mixture of things that need to
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happen in order for black folks to be
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successful in america
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absolutely give it up let's love you
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guys so much
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i love y'all so much thank you tell my
28:35
man my son get some bars ready we need
28:37
him to come back up okay
28:39
sure you know don't say that because
28:43
he'll be calling you every day like
28:44
what's up what's up what's up
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okay okay okay good point now i always
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got room for my son
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tamika d mallory ladies and gentle round
28:52
of applause appreciate you tamika keep
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it going
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we are here for you okay congratulations
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on the book
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love you too all right
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you
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