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Salt from the iconic hip-hop group Salt-N-Pepa joins "Sway In The Morning" for an exclusive interview, reflecting on her groundbreaking career, her new solo project "Chosen," and the legacy of female pioneers in hip-hop. From being the first female rap group to go platinum to becoming Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees, Salt shares stories of resilience, faith, and evolving through decades of cultural impact. She opens up about reclaiming her masters, navigating challenges in the music industry, and her creative process for her latest work. This inspiring conversation also explores her thoughts on social change, gospel music, and staying authentic to her purpose. Don’t miss this powerful interview packed with wisdom, humor, and insight from one of hip-hop’s trailblazers. Subscribe for more exclusive interviews and join the conversation with Sway’s Universe! #SaltNPeppa #SwayInTheMorning #Chosen #HipHop #SocialChange #GospelMusic #SwaysUniverse
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Salt-N-Pepa
02:17 - Salt’s Impact on Women in Hip-Hop
07:01 - Salt’s Introverted Nature and Personality
08:50 - Evolving Gracefully in the Music Industry
11:04 - Seeking Approval from God vs. Humans in Fame
15:28 - Salt's "Stomp" Controversy Explained
18:29 - Cheryl's Fasting Experience and Insights
20:30 - The Relevance of "Clap Back" in Hip-Hop
22:39 - Importance of Lyrics in Music Culture
24:39 - Salt's Solo Project Announcement
30:40 - Salt on Her New Album ‘Chosen’ & Divorce Rumors
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Ladies and gentlemen, another standing ovation. We got to give her a standing ovation for who we have
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in the building right now. It's one of our first ever icons. Ladies
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and gentlemen, as I begin to talk about what I how I was impacted by these
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women, okay? How I was impacted by this movement, how I was impacted by this group,
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okay? How I was impacted by these lyrics. How I was impacted by her voice. Yes. How I was impacted by their style.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the first ever female rap act actor to go gold and platinum. Breaking all major industry
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barriers. Grammy award winners. Come on. Sold over 20 million records
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worldwide. Okay. The first female hip hop group ever inducted into the Rock and Roll
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Hall of Fame. Ladies and gentlemen, I ain't even got no P for that one. I can't even think of how many platinum
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songs they made, but when I tell you all of them, I can't tell you how many fashion styles
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they created. All of them. I can't tell you that how they stood up for women around the world.
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All of them. All demographics. All of them. I can't tell you that how they broke all of these barriers and made it possible
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for some of the women we see today to succeed. When you hear about Cardi B, if
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you hear about Lotto, if you hear about Nicki Minaj, you hear about all of these women that have succeeded,
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they was out there first. They were out there first. I want to welcome her to the show, ladies and
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gentlemen, straight from the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Give it up for the one and only Salt
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from Salt and Pepper, Cheryl Salt J.
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Baby. Come on now. God is good. God is good.
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God is amazing.
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I'll take your man whenever I feel like it.
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You talk about pushing. Come on, man. Make me want to shoot.
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Let's talk about sex, baby. Let's talk about Come on, man. Me mercy.
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Oh, man. Y'all took us I want to say Saul, thank you. Yes.
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Thank you. Because when y'all music first came out, yo, y'all look good at this. Y'all should
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keep doing this. You think so? Thinking about it.
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Sh ain't got nothing on you. His sister, his introduction ain't got nothing on
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yours. That was crazy. Okay, continue. No, but this is a crazy story. and
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looking at you, you know, and I and I I I might have told it once or twice. It's
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interesting that you say y'all should do this cuz when King Tech and I first came on the radio, it was in the early 90s.
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Prior to coming on the radio, we were artists, right? Big fans of Herby.
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Yes. Right. Big fans of Dana Dane. Right.
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Big fans ofQWame. Big fans of Kid and Play. The whole nine. Mhm.
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The first time I ever came to New York from California, it was in the late '8s
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and King Tech and I was like, "What can we do to further our careers? We got to do what our heroes have done."
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What's the name of the school you went to? The um broadcast or who went to the Oh, that was uh Herby. He went to Center
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for the Media Arts. Where was that located? In Manhattan, I believe. Yes. We bought saved our money, bought plane
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tickets. Oh, wow. and made reservations to go to that school. We didn't know why other
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than Herby went to that school. Oh my goodness. I kid you not. King Tech, I get But me and my partner King Tech, we went to
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that school and they brought us in and asked us what did we want to do? He said, "Let me learn about mixing and
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studio engineering. I wanted to learn that, too." But I said, "Well, what else you have?" They said, "Bro, you could learn how to
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be a broadcast journalist." I wasn't even interested. I'll try it. And they took me in a room and this woman
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um told me after I did a audition that you will never do radio.
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Wow. This woman told me, "You will never do radio. I'm sorry. You should pick something else.
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It's the tone of your voice and your dialect. You'll never make it in radio." But God. Hello.
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It's 2025. So, she might have been wrong. She might have been wrong. And you know
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why I love that story? because I'm the type of person it's like that's the worst thing you could tell me is that I
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can't do something it's on that you know Russell Simmons in the beginning I had been uh he didn't
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know I was standing next to him and it was like during showstopper days and you know people didn't know what we looked like happened to have this
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conversation where somebody asked him what do you think about those salt and pepper girls and he was like thumbs down ain't going
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to last and I'm like man uncle that's uncle like he is hip hop if he say it's
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no good. But then I was like that's fuel for me. That's like I'm going to prove it to him
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and everybody else. And then years later they tried to sign us to Def Jam. So you
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never know. And you cannot you cannot pay attention to what people
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say especially when God gives you a passion, a purpose, a drive to do something for real. For real. You know
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what I mean? It doesn't matter what anybody says. I sat next to Martin Lawrence at um Sears Robuck. We had the
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cubicles. He was in my cubicle. He was he was coming to New York from DC wanted to be a comedian. Y'all know the story.
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And uh he used to try his jokes out on me and I ain't think it was funny.
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You tell him that. You used to tell Martin that. I didn't tell him that. You know how you fake laugh till your jaws hurt? You're
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like, but he's Martin Lawrence, so it didn't
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matter what I thought either, right? Just keep pushing it. That's all you got to do, right? If you
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good at what you do, just keep pushing it. You got to you got to believe in yourself 10fold.
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Period. Because you going to get at least that much naysayers on your push back and
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push back and look what you gone to accomplish. Yes. And I am the least likely
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um person to be salt of salt and pepper because I'm naturally an introvert.
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I'm naturally like not shy, but I'm naturally quiet and I'm naturally like a
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person that's going to be in the corner just like checking out the scenery before I like get involved. Pep is an extrovert
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obviously. Shout out to Pep. That Scorpio energy.
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Shout out to Pep. Shout out to Cinderella. My girls be so excited. But
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yeah, so I everybody was shocked when I became salt of salt and pepper. But it's
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always been a passion in me to be an entertainer, you know, and hiphop because I couldn't sing, I couldn't play
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an instrument. Hip-hop afforded me the opportunity to express myself outside of
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my introverted nature, right? So then Salt gets to be an extrovert. Like that's how I'm built.
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Yo, I love this. Salt is here, man. And I'm thinking about being the first ever
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female hip hop group inducted into the rock and roll crazy work of fame, y'all.
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Look at God. Look at God. Look at God. Look at God. Look at God. Right. Um,
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how did it happen? How did you learn? Tell, walk us back to that day. Um, yeah. How did I learn? You know
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what? Shout out to Chuck D. God bless him because he's such an advocate for everybody. Always has been. and he was
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campaigning, actively campaigning for us because people, the general consensus was like, "What's up?" You know what I
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mean? Salt and Peppa should have been had this. I think it's right on time. I don't mind. I feel like God's timing is
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impeccable. Like you and I were talking about and so yeah, I'm excited. We got all the
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things now. All the things. The Lifetime Achievement Award. Okay. Chad, hold up. That's a ding ding
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ding. We got the Walk of Fame. Okay. I saw you at the Hollywood Walk of Fame. That's Chad. You can't name an
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award that we don't have like MTV awards, like all the things, all the
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accolades. And I feel like this is what you want as an artist. You know, this is how you wrap it up, so to speak. Not
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that we wrapping it up, but you know what I'm saying? The legacy continues through these accolades that
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we're receiving. And it's an influencer award which is super important. Always been
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very important to Salt and Pepper, how we influence people, the world, and our audience. So yeah, I'm excited.
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Man, come on. Salt. Salt and pepper is here. And here's the thing, these accolades like we, you know, we have to
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learn in this culture how to evolve gracefully, right? You're not, you know,
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uh, Saul got a new song out called Chosen, right? Mhm. But when you put out your first music to
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now, the motivation is different. You have nothing left to prove.
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Love it. Nothing. And I think that's a mentality that we have to start accepting in our
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own culture because we we prevent ourselves from continuing forward with a creative process of who
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we are when we turn 40 and 50 and beyond, right? You hear the conversations on platforms, oh man,
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these old rappers or, you know, you once you pass 40, you shouldn't even be rapping. Who says that?
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Exactly. You know, I used to feel like that though. Like I I used to feel like I used to say it all the time, like when
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I'm in my 50s, I don't want to be rapping, you know, because hip-hop seemed like a young
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genre of music, right? We didn't think about there would be a 50th anniversary because the question back in the day
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was, "Will hiphop last?" I ain't even know me and pep be like I
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don't know you know just like hopefully and now it's become like the
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most consistently the most dominant form of music is bled into all aspects of
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culture right and so I wasn't expecting that so now it doesn't make sense for me
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or anyone who is a pioneer or an icon in this industry to stop doing what they do
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we create that's what we do we go in the studio and we make music so why would you stop making music. And to the
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millennials, which I have to, we ain't making music for y'all.
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Y'all not allowed. Listen, matter of fact, don't download my song.
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I'm not the chosen demographic. I ain't I ain't never heard nobody say that. It ain't for you.
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That's another first. That's another first. This ain't for y'all. Mind your business.
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This is This is for the vintage people and the vintage ladies. Okay. I love it. I don't take offense, but I'm
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still listening though. So, okay. Thank you. Thank you. You know what I'm wondering? Like the word the word chosen um
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it can hit different depending on who's doing the choosing so to say because
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like a lot of us depending on you know the season we probably have had times
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where it was a priority to be chosen by a man. It was a priority to be chosen by our peers. It was a priority to be
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chosen by, you know, the gatekeepers, so-called gatekeepers in our careers. And that's where we seek approval. And
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I'm looking at this crew neck that you're wearing that has God in like size 100 font. Uh-huh. It's very important.
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And it makes me wonder like how does being chosen by God, recognizing that
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approval shift the pursuit of approval from man?
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Okay. Wait, wait. Give me that last part again. Shift the what? Talk to me about
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question. The difference bar. So, I'm about to write that down.
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The the difference between seeking approval from God versus seeking approval from humans. Oo, girl. Yes. Oo,
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Holy Spirit. Come on. Come on. Let's go. Approval from God, right? Yeah. So, when
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you're younger, you're naturally seeking approval from everybody. from your parents, from your friends, from your
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man, your no good girlfriend, whoever, you know, and as you get older, you
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begin to understand that the only one you really need to please is God. And
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when you're in line with what God wants you to do and you're being obedient and
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you're you're opening your ears to hear like what he wants you to do, how he wants you to do it, like I'm a chain
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breaker, right? like my assignment is to break chains and disrupt patterns,
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right? And I ran from that for a long time because I was seeking approval of people. I used to be a terrible people
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pleaser. There's a scripture that says if I am seeking to please God and I mean people and I'm paraphrasing,
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then I'm not seeking to please God. If that's making people an idol. So yes,
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ma'am. Exactly. Me and Heather were talking earlier like we wish we' done understood this later. But God's timing
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is perfect. Great question, Tracy. And I'm looking at you. You got to be in this room to
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watch how Salt and Heather interacts. Like Salt. I'm like, I'm doing flips,
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somersaults, you know, all sorts. Salt is looking at me like I'm a Okay. All
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right, Sway. I love you, but damn it. Heather and Salt act like Cely and her
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sister in the color purple, right? They're like doing, you know, and there some Jer Is this a jersey?
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No, she's from Queens. Oh, she's from Queens, right? But what is this? Yes. What is this? But y'all But y'all were
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out. Y'all was No, no, no. They were before Salt and Pepper were were before me obviously,
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but Salt and Peppa and Spinderella, shout out to Dee. Like, they're queens.
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They they have they did this for all of us. I'm not dis disregarding anyone who
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came before salt and pepper, but I think when you mentioned sway uh
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substance, what they spoke about, you have to talk about their style. We all wanted to be salt and pepper.
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Everybody was a salt or a pepper in in your crew of girls. That's the natural like friend thing.
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It's the natural friend. Extroverted, introverted coming together. Absolutely. And so obviously they
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inspired me. I I I I watched them religiously. I studied their music. And
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then when I was blessed to have the opportunity to meet them, it was just everything you wanted in person that you
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see on television that you hope when you meet somebody they they're that. That's what happened when I met them. When I
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first started doing the Happy Hour with Heather Bee, Salt and Pepper were one of the first guests to ever do my show. And
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I literally went home and cried to my husband. I was like, "God is so good." Like I had a dream list of people that I
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wanted. I bought them champagne. I was like, "Thank y'all. Remember the little gift bag at the back?" Yeah. I was like,
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"It is it's important to me that she's here and and it's important to me that she's still doing this." I remember the
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transition um and and your acceptance and you showing the world loud and proud that you are a child of the most high
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God when you jumped on the song with Kurt Franklin and everybody stomped. And I remember being in the clubs when it
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came on and everybody didn't know what to do cuz it was like we supposed to be dancing or we praising the Lord or praising the Lord. But Salt jumped on
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that song boldly and said this is who I am. And that was another reintro. They
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constantly reinvent themselves. The Revlon commercials, the the the the Mac
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endorsements, the the partnership, the everything. So this is goals. You put
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salt and pepper, Latifah, Missy Elliot. Like this is Come on. Like this is
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royalty. Like absolutely, sis. Absolutely. I love you too. Celebrating you today. When you did Did
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you When you did Stump, I thought it was brilliant. Um I thought and you know, I was just
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listening to the bass on on Stump today, just how great it was produced. But when you make that proclamation, a
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lot of stuff come at you. M you know you doing it for all the right
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reasons but still that's when they come from the behind the shadows and they come at you.
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Did you experience that? Yeah, absolutely. Can you speak to that? Yeah, they even took me off the song. I
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feel like um Oh, wow. Yeah, cuz when they first started playing on the radio, you know, we me
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and my kids used to my daughter used to listen and then one day we was listening and my vocal wasn't there and then
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consistently that started happening. But I understood cuz I was raised in a
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church that at that time Kurt Franklin wasn't doing no bunch of collabs with secular artist. You know what I'm
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saying? I think I was the first one. So they wasn't ready. They like
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they um he didn't tell me this, but I already knew from being raised in the church that he got flack.
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Yeah. And that, you know, so I never even was mad at him. Yeah. Um, and he years
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later, a couple of times I just performed with him at BET Awards and he apologized to me and he has many times
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because obviously he does music with everybody now. But to your point,
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a lot of Christians are almost afraid to really stand up for Christ because of
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that. Because now you're put under a microscope and everybody's waiting for you to mess up, right? So they could go
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hypocrite, you know, but not understanding or not even reading the Bible. People
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want to debate me about the Bible. I'm like, "Have you read it? Come back when you read it or read something from it."
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You know, because not knowing that we understand as Christians that only God is good. It says that in the Bible that
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none of us are good. We walk around going, "I'm a good person. I'm a good person." Compared to God's goodness,
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you're not good. So if you put Cheryl under a microscope, you're going to see the DNA is in there. Sin is in there.
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Messing up is in there. You know what I mean? But it's like figuring out how to get better and evolve. And that's
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through my faith that I'm able to get better and evolve. Like God, I went on a fast recently. I can't believe you
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talking about the Lord. I went on Good news Thursday. It's good news Thursday here.
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Oh, it is good. Yes. Okay. Good. Yeah. So, I went on a fast recently and um not
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without getting into details, you know, cuz when you fast, it's like you putting your flesh in in submission and it's
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like your spirit is more awake and more in tune to spirit, right? And so God
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basically told me to apologize to some folks and I was like, that's why I don't talk to you.
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You be tripping. You be tripping. They ain't never apologized to me for nothing. They did
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this. They did this. they did this. You know what I'm saying? But that's like the evolution of being in a
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relationship with God. And it's through the word and it's through prayer and it's through fasting and practicing
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spiritual practices, you know, and so don't put me under a microscope, you know. I'm a person. I'm a human being.
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I'm going to mess up sometimes, but I'm always seeking to evolve spiritually. And my intentions is never to hurt
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someone. And because the word is in me like you come up in in I encourage people to read because you come up in
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certain situations and when you've read it it comes up in you right like
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clapping back God says vengeance is mine thus sayeth the Lord right so every time
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somebody does something and I want to clap back that scripture comes up in me and I'm afraid to clap back
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cuz God said vengeance is mine right? So, I'm going to take my hands off the
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situation. Yeah. Anyway, how do you navigate that and and on on Thank you, by the way. Give that a round
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of applause. That's powerful. Incident with a neighbor this morning. Yeah, man. You can't clap back now,
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honey. Like a It's not a whole clap. It's like more like a P. You going to give a finger snap?
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Little little sidewall. Finger snap. Does that Does that apply in hip-hop?
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Like when it comes to like when it comes to battle rap? We seen a lot of question.
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You know what I mean? The the clapback. We're seeing Yes. Nikki, we seeing Cardi, we seeing Beia,
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we seeing all these different even Taylor Swift clapping back too.
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No. Does those does those rules apply? And then what what being having been in this
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so long and and and done great for so long, when you watch this interaction
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with the artists that are happening today in hip-hop, what are your thoughts? especially when it comes with the the women artist.
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Yeah. So, um clapping back I think can get really nasty. I wouldn't me I'm not
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going I'm it's never going to happen. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I heard some of this stuff and I'm like there's
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a line for me that is is crossed. You know, there's friendly fire and then there's lethal fire. You know what I
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mean? It just that's too deep for me. So then as writing, as someone who is a
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believer, my album is not a gospel album, but the gospel is all through the album. Okay.
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You know, it's just me being braggadocious. That's hip-hop. You know, you can't take that out of hip-hop.
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Yeah. In this song, Chosen, there's a part where I say, um, God, keep me humble. Can't stumble on my
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pride. Right. Yeah. Cuz I'm bragging cuz that's hip-hop. But I'm also saying, Lord, don't let it go
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to my head, you know. Yeah. It's a balance. It's not easy writing without
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saying some words. I'm going to tell you the words. The B word.
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That word fits and rhymes too well. It rhyme with too much stuff.
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The N word. The N word. Right. I don't say that word. Yeah. The S.
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What's the S word? rhy with everything. Oh, dang. Okay. She's going to say salt.
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Salt. That that's a bad word. So that you know, so you got to work a little
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harder to be clever, to be slick, to be all the things without those those words. You know,
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you say in Chosen, um, I write every bar I spit.
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We would argue years ago, yes, when the whole hip-hop community was arguing, are lyrics important? Are bars
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important? They are. Why is that important for you to make that that acknowledgement? I'm I'm glad you brought that up because
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obviously you could go find an interview say where Herby wrote this or that, right? So, let's not take that out of
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context. Okay. I did a lot of writing, right? More writing than I've even expressed. Like I
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wrote and produced expression on my own. First song I ever wrote and produced
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apart from Herby and produced and it was a platinum single. So, my writing
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Yes. Thank my writing evolved over the years and on brand new I wrote probably
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80% of my bars. So that's me going, okay, I want to express myself as an
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artist more and more and more. Um, and then on this album and anything that I do moving forward, it's going to all
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come from me because I got something to say and I can't have somebody writing for me because they can't say what I
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need to say. That would be me just this is a personal album. This is not me trying to get a hit record. This is not
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me trying to make a comeback. This is not me trying to prove myself. Been there, done that, you know. So,
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been there, done that. I don't I ain't got nothing to prove to nobody. I'm enjoying being in the
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studio. I'm enjoying being creative. I'm enjoying my my um relationship with God
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and where he's taken me and what he did with Salt and Pepper. You know, it's not
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necessarily the same, but it's it's a avenue. It's a reason. I'm here for a
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reason cuz I got something to say. Experiences, right? Yeah. Experience.
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Experience. Y'all need to get up under this experience. Youngsters, y
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clock that T. I like that. So, I I love that you're writing too. I
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think when we we talk about this thing, this thing isn't that old. You know, we talking we just celebrated 50 years of
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hip-hop, but of that 50 years of hip-hop, how many of those years have we actually controlled what it is we
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create? You know, how many of those years have we actually had own proprietorship and masters publishing,
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so on and so forth. When I saw the plight for Salt and Pepper to regain the
25:04
rights, the master rights to their music, I felt for y'all because I know those kind of contracts they wrote back
25:11
then, right? The Trump type. These are like what they call a sharecropper
25:16
contracts. Can you talk walk us through what happened with that and and where is it now? So, excuse me.
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After 35 years, your masters, the ownership of your masters is supposed to
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contractually revert back to you. Mhm. So those millions and millions and
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millions of dollars these record company make over 35 years becomes either more
25:42
of the lion share becomes yours depending on the deal or you own them completely and then you can exploit them
25:48
the same way that they've been exploiting them. And of course you know these conglomerates they trying to take
25:54
over. They not trying to give nobody nothing. So they're fighting us. We've been fighting for two years. I feel like they
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do this because they feel they're used to artists being desperate, running out of money and to pay lawyers,
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which is crazy expensive. Um especially going on two years working on this
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and um it's capitalism at its finest. You know what I mean? Like and at some
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point somebody got to fight. Yeah. You know, this is a legacy
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not only for me and and my children. It's also they're they've remove the
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music, right? People can't get the music on Apple and all the or Spotify and all the platforms,
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right? We can't get Salt and Pepper music. Really? Not on certain the big platforms. Wow.
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Yeah, I know. And it's been a while they they took the music down. So, all that tells me is we be making them a lot of
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money. You know what I'm saying? And they ain't trying to let that go. So, you know, me and Pep are we're
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staying in the fight. Um, prayerfully, you know, we can work something out with them. Um, I asked
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some of the big dogs that actually got their masters back, gave me some good advice, and uh, yeah,
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so we just going to keep pushing. Also, since we on that note, I'm not releasing my music on Spotify. Okay.
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Right. Because Spotify are the worst of all of them as far as, you know, there's new controversy about them
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owning or feeding AI with your stuff and owning your stuff. They could do anything. They can exploit your music
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and all the things. Plus, they don't pay you. You got to pay for ads. You got to pay for ads. You got to They
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don't hardly pay you and you got to pay them for ads. Yeah. It's like basically just, you know, not
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u a real thing. Especially for me, I know uh young I know new artists do it
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because they want to be everywhere. They want the exposure. Like I said, I ain't got nothing to prove. Been there, done
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that. I'm already salt. I'm in the fight the power stage of life. You know what I'm
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saying? I'm in the forget that crap stage of my life. What I'm going to give my music to
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Spotify for and then pay them for advertisement. I just my soul, my
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spirit. I just uneasy with that. I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. So, yeah. Thank you for sharing. I like to hear
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these stories because these artists of today are going to have to face, you know,
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these crossroads at some point, right? And and they can learn from the processes that people like you, even
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myself, me and King Tech put out an album that we're trying to fight back to get royal. They didn't even do that great, but you know, we still want to
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own it. It's royalty and ownership. We we still want to own it. Salt is here from Salt
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and Pepper. Got a solo project coming out. Yes. Yes. What's that like? Solo.
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You solo. I know. Well, okay. So, I'm not solo. I'm salt
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of salt and pepper. Always in forever priority in my mind.
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But yes, as I'm putting out a so solo project. Let's say that I'm not a solo
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artist. Okay. My bad. So, I don't see no. So, think of the locks, right? Like the locks are group and then Jada will do a
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project, Styles will do a project. Always the locks. Got it. Okay. And people get into it cuz that's a
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great example. You know, this happens all the time, right? Like I know people like their groups together, but
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we in our 50s, you know what I mean? We we should be allowed give us some grace
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to do other stuff to do other stuff apart from, you know, the group. And that's all I'm doing. I'm
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just expressing myself as an individual. I'm creating cuz that's what I do. I
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love being in the studio. I love making music. I've actually made like two albums. Just never put them out.
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Wow. Yeah. Over the years cuz Salt and Pepper, we only have four albums, which
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is crazy. After 40 years, you know, we should I know we should have more. So, I'm always itching to to create. And
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then I just recently cuz I got divorced and you know, all these crazy. Yes. Yes. Guys, Sway put on an
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88 742 3345. Guys, Sway put on a button down for you today.
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So, tell her that, Heather. Well, you did. You You always show up
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wrinkle except for today. Oh my.
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He yo, we got it this morning to the studio. I was like, where you going? Put on the pants. You know, I said salt
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might like my sneaker game. You know what I mean? You look cute. Salt. So cute. Yes.
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Let's talk about sex, baby. Wow. He went right for it.
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Right for know nothing. Shoot or shoot. No. Shoot or shoot, right? The title of your
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album. Mhm. Oh, the title of the album is Okay. First of all, I did a song called Salty
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and Lit, right? I remixed Bruno Mars and Sexy Red's Salty. um uh song, right?
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What was the name of the song? But everybody was saying it was so sexual, right? Like people was like, "We
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don't want to see Bruno like that." Blah blah blah. So I'm listening to the song and I just started getting an idea. So I
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just did some lyrics over it. I put it on Instagram. It's called Salty and Lit, right? Salty and Lit is based on the
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scripture in the Bible, Matthew blah blah blah. I'll get it for you.
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It's called says we are salt and light. We are the salt of the earth and we are
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salt and light. Right? And it says, "Do not hide your light under a bowl. Put it on a stand for the world to see so that
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they can glorify your God and the God in heaven." So I took salt and light. See, God named
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me in the Bible. It says salt of the earth and salt and light. So I took salt and light and made it salty and lit.
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Made it hip-hop. Right? So I put that on my page. Got a great response. was not
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even expecting all of that, right? Starving. We starving, especially the women. We're like, "Yeah, give us some
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music that we can listen to with our grandkids, with our kids." Like, we ain't dead,
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right? And so based on that response of a little like like you know, you fishing,
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you put a little bait out there, see what's happening, see if people feeling it. I moved to Chosen because I got a
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bunch of songs. I was like, "What's next?" Chosen. chosen for me is talking about not only being chosen by God but
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also being chosen to be one of the pioneers, one of the brick layers, right? Like
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like somebody that like helped lay a foundation for such an amazing incredible culture. And let's not forget
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the chosen. Let's not forget like in the one of the verses I say um respect x run
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his blue check. Like why don't he have a blue check? You know what I mean? don't forget about us. And that's what the
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documentary uh ll's documentary Yeah. You did that with L, right? Yes. Was basically I respect what he was
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doing cuz he's like, you know, we still here like and we did this. So
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respect, you know, respect is due. I think the biggest like we we have to
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keep saying we're still here, right? And I want to stop saying that. Yes. Okay.
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And then the new thing is you're just not aware. You're just not aware. It ain't on us.
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It ain't on us on y'all. Nothing. Nothing. Y'all just nothing to prove. See, y'all make a song
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called Nothing to Prove. Nothing to prove. Right. And ain't got nothing to prove. Ain't got nothing to prove. So, I I I
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love that you're continuing the plight and I and and I love repeating all of
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your accolades. Let's do it again. Let's do it. Rock and roll Hall of Fame inductee.
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Let's go. Grammy award winner, MTV Video Music Award, BET Hip Hop icon honore,
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Hollywood Walk of Fame. I feel like VH1 honors.
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Yes. Yes, I was there. Yes, I remember that. VH1 honors recipient,
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Vanguard, uh, trailblazer, pioneer,
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activist, producer, songwriter,
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Mother, sister, salt. Ladies and gentlemen, salt. Salt.
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Salt. We got to Can you come back and and sit on the show with us again? Salt. She needs a co-host.
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Yeah. Salt. Yes. Salt. Can you come back because our time is limited. So, all right. Before I go though, can I can
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I say a couple of things? Absolutely. Right. a little bit kind of serious but not too serious.
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Okay. So, okay. I got a book out right now. Mental health awareness book. Okay. Pop that. It's on Amazon.
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Good lord, that's crazy. That I just said, what is it called? Mental Health Matters. Okay. Got a lot
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going on. Doing a podcast with my daughter, mother and daughter, uh podcast called Salt and Light
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Conversations. Um there's a line in the song that's been some controversy where I say in chosen where I say um covered
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by the blood Satan. So what's next? Yeah. And people are saying that I said
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covered by the blood of Satan. I want to clear that up. I don't mess with the devil. Period. Oh. So that's not what you said.
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No. Okay. Never sell my soul for a pebble. I stand on the rock. Okay. Let's be clear. All
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right. There's also a rumor on YouTube. You know, this clickbait is crazy. And I
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promised my ex that I would address this. They have me saying that um I got
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divorced because I caught my ex with another man. Not true. Not true.
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Wow. Not true. That was going around. Yes. It's actually taking catching fire.
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I'm sorry. You want me to help you with the chair? Yes. Wait, cuz you put that new shirt on. Just let everybody see it and and
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might as well do something. Be a gentleman at least. So yeah, there you go. Sway deserves some chivalry.
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Gosh. Yeah, I was struggling for a while, wasn't I'm 51. Put the queen on her throat.
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So tears are high. So the internet said that you caught your man with another man and that's why
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you got divorced. When I tell you that is so far-fetched, this man love women. Okay.
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Okay. And that's all I'mma say.
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So that's definitely not why she got the voice, you know. And he a bit of a thug. So I'm
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like, yo, y'all can't do that to that man, you know. So I let him know. Just letting him know my baby daddy
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is straight. Y'all, y'all cut it out. Cut it out. Just cut it out.
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And stop believing everything. Everything. And but I love that you here to address it cuz you ain't got nothing
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to prove. That ain't fair, right? That ain't fair. That ain't fair. So, and then salute to Outcast cuz they
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got inducted too, right? So, you guys are the same class of Hall of Fame inductees. And we also gave them their first source
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award. Wow. Presented them. So, this is real. It comes full circle. Yes. Salt, you got to come back.
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Yes. Thank you. Thank you. We love y'all. Y'all are great. Like I said, y'all should keep doing your
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We might have a future at this, man. Future in this. All right. Give it up for Salt, the icon. Ladies and gentlemen, new song is
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called Chosen. Yes. Salty and lit. All right. All right. Be on the lookout.
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