RZA on "One Spoon of Chocolate" & Why Filmmaking is the Ultimate Art | SWAY’S UNIVERSE

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Yo, man, that's a clip from the movie I
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just saw. I just declared to last night
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after the screening at this is my
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favorite movie. And you said it on air
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already today.
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>> it this morning on air. We talked about
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it for almost a whole hour. I was just
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so excited about what I've seen, and
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it's very inspirational. The movie is
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called One Spoon of Chocolate. It's
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premiering May the 1st. And it's
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important that we all, anybody within
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the sound of our voices, go outside to
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the movie theater and support it while
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it's in theaters.
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>> Amen.
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>> That's extremely important. Uh this is a
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movie uh that is directed, written,
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produced, distributed, uh scored uh by
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somebody. He's all of our brother. You
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know, this man in in the duration of his
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career has no stains on it. And all the
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moves he's made is to empower, to
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uplift, and to expand. And watching him
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throughout his career, even knowing him,
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I'm still fascinated when I see him. I
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love watching his interviews as much as
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I like sitting in an interview with him,
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but I love hearing his perspective on
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life and how he applies those things,
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those qualities, and those fundamentals
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into his art. And One Spoon of Chocolate
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is definitely definitely representative
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of that energy, of that philosophy. Man,
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I ain't got to say too much about him,
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man. One of the greatest producers of
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all time, one of the greatest filmmakers
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of all time, one of the greatest
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thinkers of all time, and recently
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inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of
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Fame. We got the one and only RZA from
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the Wu-Tang Clan up in here. Wu-Tang
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Clan ain't nothing to [ __ ] with.
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Bang bang
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>> [laughter]
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>> RZA looking at me in a daze right now.
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We was partying last night.
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>> late, Sway. Yeah, we went hard body. But
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yo, he's up, I'm up. That's what we
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doing, you know what I mean? Yeah.
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I got up at 4:00. Damn. Yeah.
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>> [laughter]
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>> RZA said, "Okay."
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I'm going, Sway. But we we had a great
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time last night at the screening. I've
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been seeing you Rizza. I've seen you on
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morning TV shows. I've heard you on
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radio stations. You
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by yourself out here promoting this
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movie. You're Rizza. You know, you
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everything you've done your your your
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your legacy is sealed and cemented. And
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we had a whole conversation about this
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type of attitude.
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You're out doing everything hands-on.
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Why is that so important? I mean what a
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film to me is important for people to
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see it and know about it.
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Um I got that morning voice.
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>> Damn bro, I didn't never heard this
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voice. It's like Michael Jackson bro.
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This is my new [ __ ]
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>> [laughter]
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>> R&B Rizza.
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Even I'm surprised by this [ __ ]
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morning [laughter]
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voice. Well, you look surprised.
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When you start talking
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>> Yeah, yeah. What the
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>> [laughter]
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>> He start talking he start looking around
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like who's talking?
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Some hip-hop to the boy cuz he sound
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like
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You know, midnight groove
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>> [laughter]
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>> Came in with the Marvin Gaye voice. Hold
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on, let me drink some water.
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>> [laughter]
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>> He was doing the midnight with Rizza.
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>> we need some sparkling water.
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Break that [ __ ] up, man.
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>> [laughter]
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>> Anyway, yo.
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Where where is it? What just happened?
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[laughter] It's like I was talking to my
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wife in bed or some [ __ ]
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That's why I said you never heard that
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voice. I was like who is this?
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>> [laughter]
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>> Wow, but it's important to you though,
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right?
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>> Super important. And the film I think
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it's important, you know, the energy of
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it what we trying to show.
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Um
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I create art nowadays just to share.
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Yeah. You know what I mean? Um and and
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and when you trying to just share art,
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you want to just make sure that it is
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shared. It ain't something we keep to
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ourselves.
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I'mma shout out Coast Contra real quick.
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>> Yes. Right? And the reason why I'm doing
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that because the same thing I I seen
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those men out there representing
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themselves.
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And so I was like, "Yo,
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when time when time is right, yo, let's
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just go to studio and
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I want to share some time with them. You
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know what I mean? And we went and shared
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time and we created a whole [ __ ]
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album, bro.
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And that's because we're just sharing
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>> [clears throat]
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>> time. So the same thing with this film,
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me and my wife we we worked on it. Um
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and now we have it and I'm not dependent
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on nobody uh to go out there and climb
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that mountain but myself.
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>> Yeah. So if you see
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out till 4:00 in the morning and you see
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me pop up on Sway in the morning, I'm
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living it out, you know what I Yeah, you
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go, man. I love [applause] it. RZA's
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here, man. We talking about one spoon of
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chocolate. Some people have seen it
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already. 887423345
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HB. Is this the What was the switch?
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Because we had Country Wayne here the
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other day.
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And Country Wayne said, and I'll never
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forget this now, he said
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energy
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is more valuable than money.
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And he said, "Who I choose to spend my
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time with and who I share with is more
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important than money. It's way more
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important." And to me and and Sway and I
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complimented him on that because
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something has to happen for us to get in
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that mindset, even with our art. You
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know, we started out as full-time
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recording artists. So everything was I
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got to get mine. I'm better than this
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[ __ ] I'm better than that. Like you
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know, what was the switch for you to be
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able to be in this this place of
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service, I feel like you're in.
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I don't know what I don't know when we
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call when it happened, right?
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But it happened It's been over a decade
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for me, you know what I mean? But it's
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just like it's like, "Yo, what do you
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what do you what do you
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aiming at and why are you aiming at it?"
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You know, now I've been blessed, you
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know what I mean? So I ain't going to
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Yeah, we talk to people. That's it.
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Yeah. But I think
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you realize that you are a vehicle of
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it.
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You know what I mean? And and you're the
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instrument of it. So you got to let the
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music flow through you, meaning the art.
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You can't just be like
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you're doing it for yourself. You know,
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I was just saying to um one of my
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brothers
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um I was like, "Yo,
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if somebody tell me, 'Yo, you come on
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over here and do this [ __ ] right? Uh we
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got 50 Gs for you to go do it, whatever.
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100 Gs.'
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And say it cost you 50 Gs just to do
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that.
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Would you just spend that whole 50 Gs to
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go get the other 50 Gs? Would you even
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spend 75 Gs to go get that
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100 Gs and only have 25? And the answer
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is yes.
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Because it's it's accumulating into
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something else.
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And it ain't about just the the the
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economic reward of it, you know what I
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mean? It's the time and space you got to
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go and share, whether it's your
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knowledge, your love, your music, your
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art. That time becomes even more
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valuable than the money because money
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goes.
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Right?
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But and now I'm going to take this from
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my brother Nick Cave.
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Nick Cave.
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No, what up? He said
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life
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is about
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creating memories. And life is really an
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accumulation of memories. And not just
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the memories that you create for
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yourself, but the memories you create
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for others. So somebody might see
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somebody might come in and see my film
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and
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that 2 hours in their life could be
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everything for them. Life changing.
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Yeah, you know what I mean? So so taking
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that kind of energy in myself, I'm just
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I'm striving to live it. Striving to
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live it. RZA's here. We're going to take
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your calls 888-742-3345.
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Tracy G.
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>> Yes, RZA. So good as always to have you
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on the show. Congratulations
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on this film. I cannot wait to see it. I
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will be seeing it immediately.
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Um you know, Sway was talking about the
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conversation that y'all had yesterday,
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last night. And he was saying how you
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told him how film fulfills every art
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form for you, you know? And we've seen
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you conquer music time and time again.
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We've seen you as an actor, now
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directing. I would love to know more
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about what filmmaking allows you to do
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um that hip-hop kind of doesn't. And
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also if you feel like this project is
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your most complete creative expression
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yet.
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Thanks for the question. I think that
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in film you got to deal with the
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visuals, right?
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>> Mhm. You got to deal with the costumes.
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You got to deal with the dialogue, the
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music, the set design. So every aspect
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of creativity that's art is all
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collaborated together to make film. It's
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audio and it's visual and it's emotional
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and it could be social.
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It could be uh love in it, comedy in it,
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drama, fear. So for me as an artist it's
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the best outlet of combination of all my
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art to make that happen. And as far as
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how I feel about it
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man I feel like uh
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well I'll just quote my quote my
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once mentor
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uh he said, "Yo, the student has become
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a master." You know what I mean?
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And so I feel like cinema is my way now
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to tell to tell all my hip-hop stories,
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all my energy. Cinema is the way for me
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to to to put it out there and uh
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and hopefully people feel it the way
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they felt the music. Yes, man. That
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mentor happens to be Quentin Tarantino
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that said that. You hear that he said
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that.
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Get it. I'm going to go ahead and former
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mentor, you know.
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>> [laughter]
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>> You know what? When Sway was cuz it as
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you spoke it made me think about
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something you know when Tracy asked you
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that question
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when Sway was breaking down your resume
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and just giving you your flowers I would
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add also visionary Mhm. for you. And did
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you envision though cuz when you think
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about the Wu did you see Method Man at
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the time coming into film and television
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the way he has? Did you envision that?
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For him
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they always like
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for every one of them I saw their
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special abilities. I thought I saw them
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as superheroes, as mutants. I was like
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Professor X or some [ __ ] you know what
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I mean?
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But I always saw
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them in in in a great way. Like like I'm
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I'm a fan of them. Mhm. Uh even though
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I'm the Abbott, you know what I mean? So
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for for Method Man, yes,
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I'm happy that he
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accepted what he what the energy of what
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it is. You know what I mean? Cuz
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sometimes you could be that and you just
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fight against it, you know what I mean?
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You fight against all your glory because
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you know, in the hood it's like maybe
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no, yo son, you ain't you ain't keeping
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it real.
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You ain't keeping it real. What the [ __ ]
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you talking about? Every day is real,
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bro. Mhm. You know what I mean? And and
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the evolution of a man is everything.
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And for for him, I watched him evolve
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from
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from internal,
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just thinking about what he want to rap
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and say, to external, to as he could
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actually get in front of the camera and
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smile and laugh and be multiple
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personalities. Mhm. Yeah, beautiful.
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>> Man, RZA is here. Um 888-742-3345.
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I I do before I take these calls,
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there's a I I don't want to talk too
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much about the movie cuz I really want
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folks to see it. And I want I'm not
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>> Coming out May 1st.
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>> May 1st, it's going to be in theaters.
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And um where can they find it though? If
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they want to know where they could find
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the movie. Oh yeah, it's in theaters,
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yo. You could hit your AMC. You know
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what I mean? Get your big bucket of
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popcorn or whatever. Mhm. You could hit
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your Regal theaters,
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Cinemark. So I think we're going to
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start off I think we're aiming at
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about a thousand screens.
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>> Okay. So that should be nice spread
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around, you know, spread around. So you
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should be able to find it.
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>> What what you going to hear in this
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movie is a lot of gems. Like if you
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could make a book
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off of all the gems you hear in the
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movie. And when I talk to you, I'm a
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horse. What is horse over there?
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Is horse? What up, horse? Horse is
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coming here for
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>> Horse, that's my voice. It's horse.
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>> [laughter]
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>> Horse, you you come in here and I'm
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come come on this side if you don't mind
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horse so so we could so um
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I could tell this story man. One time
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horse and I was just sitting outside
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building
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and
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and and and we got on the phone with
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you.
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>> [laughter]
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>> Rizza, right? You remember this
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conversation? And um when you got off
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the phone horse you made a comment about
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the conversation. You remember? About
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the music business where the music was
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going?
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>> Well, just how he talked to us that day.
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>> yeah. He was dropping a lot of gems man.
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A lot of gems for real like when um I
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really never heard the Rizza talk a lot
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but when he was dropping them gems he
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just was like man it's about to be a
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shift. Yeah. That's what it was. He said
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about to be a shift that's about to go
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on. Yeah. And
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and that shift and horse you was saying
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yo, he didn't say he didn't you didn't
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waste words. Absolutely. Right? And when
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you talk you don't waste words, you
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know? And um you were talking about a
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shift of
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positivity, goodness that you see coming
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in the world in the next 5 years and you
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told us to get prepared for it. You
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remember me this? It's
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sometimes it's just I'm just living it.
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I I vaguely remember it. You know what I
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mean?
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>> Do you feel that way though? I
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definitely feel that way.
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>> Can you can you go into that? Um I
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probably have to come back for that.
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>> Okay, that's okay man. You know what I
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mean?
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>> [laughter]
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>> We just watch Hey yo, I ain't going to
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front as I'm feeling nice.
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We had uh
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we had at least about eight bottles of
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Raylo Tequila. Let's go. Oh man, that's
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all right.
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>> Thank you.
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Yeah yo, you know what? I heard I heard
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[laughter]
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I heard your cocaine brother call up.
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Cocaine brother. This is why he's the
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avid
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And uh
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listen bro.
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>> [laughter]
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>> Take a shot of Tequila.
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And live. You don't got to worry about
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fentanyl bro.
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Don't go Rick [laughter] James on this
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brother. Don't go Rick James on this
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brother. All right, I'mma to to these
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phone lines. 888-742-3345.
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We got a Nat in ATL. Nat, what up, man?
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How you doing, man?
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>> Nat.
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Hey, how are you guys doing?
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Excellent. Say what up to the RZA.
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What's up, RZA? How you doing, my man?
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Peace. I love how your voice changed
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this [ __ ] He was like
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Oh, here's Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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What's up, RZA? Man. Oh, he got cooler
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than
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>> [laughter]
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>> a [ __ ] right?
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He gave me corporate guy. He's corporate
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Nat.
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RZA, that's your [ __ ]
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>> [laughter]
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>> So, I met you in 90 I met you in 94, 95.
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Um I And then
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it was just like a real brief meeting
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um in New York at a studio. Carlos
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Santana was there. A couple other people
14:10
that I met was there. I think I think it
14:13
was Redman. I'm not for sure. I just
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shook your hand and bounced. Now, I have
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cancer.
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So, having cancer
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and I've been having cancer for like the
14:23
last 3 years. I watched the Wu-Tang
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series while I was in the cancer
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I mean, Wu-Tang Saga. Let me say that
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right so everybody knows.
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So the citizens know.
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That I watched it three times. I had no
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questions for you. You're just very
14:38
inspiring and I got love for you. Being
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54 years old and understanding who you
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are and what you're doing means a lot to
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me.
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And I want to say thank you very much
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for the people of our age putting it out
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there like that. And also, continue to
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do to do. You actually helped me while I
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was going through radiation and stuff
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build my own freight dispatch company.
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So, thank you, my brother.
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Wow, thank you, brother. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's
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peace. That's beautiful. Thank you. Yo,
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the two of y'all with y'all voices
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together should do a EP.
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>> [laughter]
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>> Don't even trip. Don't even trip. Don't
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trip. Don't trip. Don't trip.
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Don't trip. Don't trip. I'll get
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[laughter] you.
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Go ahead, Nat.
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>> Don't even trip. Don't don't trip, Sway,
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because um I'm from LA and I'mma say I
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met you five or six times. I'mma say one
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thing, Rhyme Syndicate.
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Oh, [ __ ] Damn. Okay, yo, you taking me
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deep. Rhyme Syndicate. Taking it back,
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Sway. Now now you taking back. Rhyme
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Syndicate, man. Are you one of the MCs?
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No, I'm actually um I was actually
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assistant to Ice.
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To Ice-T?
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Oh, man, Rhyme Syndicate, man. Oh, those
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are the days. I always You always had
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love for me. I always showed love for
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you.
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Oh, man, so hey, man, you in our you in
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our prayers, man. Thank you for tuning
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in to us.
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We got nothing but positive vibrations
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for you, bro. All right? Can I say one
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thing to all cancer patients?
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It's 90% mental, 10% physical. 90%
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mental,
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10% physical. City of Hope City of Hope
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saved my life. I had to be the first
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time I got to swim in the morning. You
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had that ear You came back to my ear
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ache. I love you, baby.
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And I'm the first time caller on the
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low. He's the first time caller. Give
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him that, man. Give him that torch.
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Yeah, man.
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Y'all take care. Have a great day. I
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won't take up your time. Thank you,
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Sway, man. You my man. Peace. Thank you,
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fam. It's beautiful, man.
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Yeah, man. You a citizen, brother.
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When you travel the world and you hear
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these stories, man,
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how do how do you even absorb that?
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Well, that was like worth worth the
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whole not
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the whole trip here
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being groggy voice, Barry White.
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It was worth everything. That right
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there That was This trip here to me was
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for that moment.
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>> moment. And that's what you saying, like
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you just living in it, right? You just
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staying in present. Indeed. Being aware
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of your presence. We got
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Ivan from Florida on the line. Ivan,
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what up? What up, Ivan? What up, Sway?
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What up? What's up, family? How you
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doing?
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Excellent, man. Talk to us, brother.
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No Resurrection, man. I'm looking
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forward to talking to you, man. I'm a
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fan of Wu-Tang. I love you when you're
17:23
in Gravediggaz.
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Thanks for what you put out, man.
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Thank you, man. Yeah.
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And I I
17:30
I heard You love Gravediggaz, right?
17:32
Gravediggaz, man. Die die die I'm even
17:35
struggling. Diary of a Madman, bro. You
17:37
did it, man. And I admire your work. And
17:40
you were my soundtrack to my high school
17:42
and I love you guys, man.
17:44
Um Thank you, bro.
17:46
And uh
17:47
I heard you were working with Ghostface
17:49
Killah.
17:50
Is that album out yet?
17:52
When is it coming out?
17:54
We don't know when it's I don't know I
17:55
just did it and walked away and let them
17:57
do what they want with it. You know what
17:58
I mean? It's so it's it was just it was
18:00
just that, you know what I mean?
18:02
But I want to say thank you.
18:03
>> you say. Yeah, man. And I and uh
18:07
I'm going to I'm going to promote to you
18:08
real quick. May 1st, I got a new film
18:10
called Once Upon a Chocolate in
18:11
theaters.
18:13
Uh Of course.
18:14
>> Go check it out. You know what I mean?
18:15
Catch the vibe of my energy and of my
18:18
art now coming on the big screen and I
18:21
feel that uh
18:22
like when you are MC, you know, you you
18:25
could you could be good, but then
18:27
eventually you become a master at it,
18:28
you know what I mean? And I feel that
18:30
this film is showing my my elevation as
18:32
a director and film and filmmaker and I
18:35
I'm going to go check it out.
18:37
Yeah, I want I want I want you to see
18:39
it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
18:41
I can't wait because I watched you uh
18:43
made that movie. I think it was called
18:45
Ghost Dog a while back.
18:47
With uh
18:48
Remember that and I like I loved that
18:50
movie.
18:51
I loved that
18:52
Yeah, Forest Whitaker, yeah. I'm going
18:54
to go check you out, man. But thank you
18:56
for what you put out. I always admire
18:57
you.
19:00
Bong bong
19:01
>> [laughter]
19:01
>> Good morning. Love you guys. Yeah, Love
19:03
you too, you super silly. Now every guy
19:05
here is trying to match your voice now.
19:07
Everybody Your fans got screwy voices,
19:09
man. You ever notice [laughter] that? I
19:11
don't know, yo.
19:12
Representation matters.
19:14
There [laughter] it is. Um this movie is
19:16
powerful for so many reasons. Um
19:19
outside the screen, here you have
19:20
somebody who came from our culture who
19:23
um who is being autonomous in it. You
19:25
know, we talk about being cultural
19:27
creators. You know, we create all day,
19:29
man. We could We could, you know, make
19:31
anything. We can make We can make a
19:33
castle out of sand. That's what we do
19:35
coming from our culture. But now it's
19:37
also time to be cultural engineers,
19:39
right? And that's what I feel and
19:41
there's a difference. Like when you're
19:42
the cultural engineer, you're building
19:44
the foundation. You're collecting the
19:46
data. You're controlling the outcome,
19:49
right? And um and I see you as the the
19:52
next iteration of who we should be um
19:55
coming from the culture.
19:57
You might just be being creative, but
19:59
are you thinking about that aspect of
20:01
it, too? Yeah, I'm thinking of having a,
20:03
you know, 36 Cinema is striving to be a
20:06
outlet. Yeah. You know, we you know,
20:08
we're in a we're in a place in time
20:11
where
20:12
you know, the gate is just getting
20:14
tighter and tighter to get in. Mhm. Um
20:17
and the product of what is allowed in
20:21
is uh is getting more and more
20:22
cookie-cutter. Mhm. And I'm not saying
20:24
that, you know, nobody don't like a good
20:26
cookie. You know what I mean? But you
20:28
need some vegetables, bro. Mhm. Facts.
20:31
You need some substance. And and 36
20:33
Cinema is striving to be a outlet of
20:36
substance. You know, the one spoon of
20:38
chocolate um
20:40
we we could When you go there, you're
20:42
going to be like, "Wow, that was a
20:43
[ __ ] action
20:45
thriller etc. etc." but you're going to
20:46
also have substance.
20:48
>> Mhm. You know what I mean? And so I want
20:49
to do that and be part of that and help
20:52
other uh people who who got to go
20:55
through 30, 40 hurdles to get into this
20:57
business, we're going to try to cut that
20:59
down to 10, 12.
21:01
>> Yeah, 10 to 12.
21:02
>> Something reasonable.
21:02
>> Yeah, simplified. Where systemic biases
21:05
aren't keeping you out from your goals,
21:07
right?
21:07
>> Yeah, exactly. You said it perfectly.
21:09
Yeah, yeah. So, um
21:11
but I said it in a regular voice. Your
21:13
voice messed [laughter] up, too.
21:17
Ladies and gentlemen.
21:19
>> [laughter]
21:21
>> Yo, I like this rhythm.
21:23
Um 888-742-3345
21:26
uh Shameik Moore, Paris Jackson
21:30
you know, Isaiah Hill It's wild, yeah.
21:32
>> Isaiah Hill
21:34
>> is nice.
21:34
>> Yo. That kid is nice. A beautiful,
21:36
beautiful kid. Yeah.
21:38
And Harry Harry Goodwins Harry Goodwins,
21:41
yo. He He stayed out the four, too.
21:42
Harry stayed out the whole night?
21:44
>> he
21:45
I was he was the second to last person
21:47
to leave.
21:48
>> [laughter]
21:49
>> I was the last. Yo, we did a party after
21:52
party for RZA. DJ Revolution was
21:54
spinning. Um King Tech the visionary was
21:57
like he probably was putting everybody
21:58
in position, right? Indeed. You know
22:00
what's so crazy, Sway? No.
22:02
I was there after Rev left, the DJ.
22:05
Pulled the plug out. Word.
22:07
>> [laughter]
22:08
>> What? I'm serious. We just
22:11
We We had another bottle of tequila to
22:12
give away.
22:14
>> [laughter]
22:15
>> See, that's
22:16
It ain't the cold. That's not the move.
22:19
The cold X Cola.
22:20
>> [laughter]
22:21
>> All right, man. Same period. I'm not
22:23
going to promote that. You don't You
22:24
want to say ask RZA a question?
22:26
>> [laughter]
22:26
>> Man, a question for the RZA. Uh-uh.
22:29
I mean, honestly, you know, I I'll say
22:31
this cuz I watched the movie last night
22:33
and I was blown away. I think you know,
22:35
what you're talking about sort of a
22:37
cultural shift to to artists like the
22:40
RZA becoming cultural curators. I've
22:43
been watching that happen for a minute
22:44
and I feel like I'm excited for what
22:46
comes next.
22:47
>> Yeah. I'm excited to see, you know, when
22:48
his imagination is allowed to operate on
22:50
multiple levels, what comes next. So,
22:53
what I want to know is what are you
22:54
excited about that you haven't done yet?
22:57
Wow. Well, I'm excited really about just
23:00
sharing this cinema and making more
23:01
cinema, you know, and making being a
23:03
place where others can get that cinema
23:05
out because once again
23:08
in a movie, you cover every base of art.
23:12
Even fashion.
23:14
Right?
23:15
The our hero in the movie, he had like a
23:18
uh like a Clint Eastwood poncho, but he
23:20
had a hip-hop hood on that [ __ ]
23:23
You know what I'm saying?
23:24
I won't be surprised if somebody is is
23:26
walking around with that one day like
23:28
this, you know, chilling, smoking on
23:29
that blunt.
23:31
So so that's the power of it. So Jay, I
23:33
just want to continue to create that for
23:37
myself out of my outlet, but also open
23:39
the door for others to make it through
23:40
that outlet. That's what's up.
23:42
Appreciate that.
23:45
What when you and I asked you part of
23:46
this question yesterday, but everybody
23:48
gets something different when they look
23:50
at a piece of art, right? I might see
23:51
it, Sparkle might see it, Horse will see
23:53
it. We'll all see slightly different
23:55
things.
23:56
But if you can step away from, you know,
23:58
being the creator of this art,
24:01
what did you walk away
24:03
from from this movie with? Like just as
24:06
a spectator.
24:08
Mhm. After watching it cuz I I got mine.
24:11
You got yours, you know, for me it's
24:13
okay.
24:15
I'mma just
24:17
This is going to sound
24:19
I don't know I don't know how it's going
24:20
to sound, but it's it's the truth.
24:24
When I first listened to 36 Chambers,
24:26
I knew something. I felt something. I
24:28
was like, "Oh [ __ ] you know, yo." Son,
24:30
we got some [ __ ] right here.
24:33
That's how I feel when I watch that
24:34
movie. I've seen it
24:36
hundreds of times, bro. I saw it the day
24:39
yesterday before I showed it to you.
24:42
You know what I'm saying?
24:43
And I still sat in the [ __ ] seat and
24:45
still felt so
24:47
like you know how you get a good album,
24:48
you can just keep playing it and and
24:50
playing it. It's just like So it's like
24:51
I've seen this thing so many times
24:53
and I still feel it.
24:56
So that's when I know. I'm like, "Yo,
24:57
this [ __ ] just feels
24:59
>> Yeah. But, even beyond it ain't It's
25:01
like it becomes It ain't yours no more.
25:02
>> Yeah. Right. It has its own life now.
25:05
Now Now Now you're just observing. And
25:07
it like this It's a good thing you said
25:09
about baby. It's like when your child
25:11
starts doing his own [ __ ] you go, "Oh,
25:12
this [ __ ] Proud. Yeah. He's
25:14
doing his [ __ ] You know what I mean?
25:15
>> [laughter]
25:16
>> Running and jumping and [ __ ] Yeah.
25:17
Walking. Yeah. And that's something It's
25:19
something there. And I And And I'm not
25:22
saying that because I created it.
25:23
>> Yeah. Right? It's almost like
25:26
I didn't create it. Mhm. You know what I
25:28
mean? It's almost like I'm just the
25:29
instrument that it had to come through.
25:31
Mhm. And And And And I'm I'm not And I'm
25:33
not even over exaggerating this.
25:36
Hundreds of times that I've seen it,
25:38
it still hit affects me every time. Mhm.
25:41
>> It's something in it that still like,
25:42
"Shit."
25:43
When the When the girl
25:46
walks in to her father's uh
25:49
shop, Mhm.
25:50
and
25:51
and she walks past all those coffins,
25:53
Mhm.
25:54
yesterday was the day that I was like,
25:56
"Damn." Like the idea that she didn't
25:58
just walk off the She came off the
26:00
street. You had those missing signs.
26:03
And then when she walked in, it was like
26:05
coffin coffin coffin coffin. I was like,
26:07
"Oh, [ __ ] Damn. I kind of set that shot
26:09
up." Yeah. [snorts]
26:10
>> Kind of crazy cuz it's symbolic.
26:11
>> Mhm. And then she gets past all that and
26:13
then she gets to bam the one that's Her
26:16
love Her love.
26:17
>> Her love. Yeah. Yeah. I was like I said,
26:19
"That's kind of
26:20
That's That's That [ __ ] is deep. And
26:21
it's deep for us. Mhm. Mhm. It's deep
26:24
for us as people. It's deep for us as
26:26
black men and women. It's deep for us as
26:28
Americans. Yeah. Because life becomes
26:32
almost non-valuable. Mhm.
26:35
You know what I mean? It becomes
26:36
non-valuable. Life becomes all is
26:39
you're better off not having life. You
26:41
know, there's more profit in your death.
26:43
Yeah. You know what I mean? So,
26:45
yeah. Well, this is This is This is This
26:47
is This is one of those. This is a very
26:50
American patriotic movie.
26:54
This is movie is patriotism like we've
26:57
never seen it. Right? This is the other
26:59
side of what what to be a patriot and to
27:02
have love for your country, you know,
27:04
and to and to have love from where you
27:06
where you from and who you are.
27:08
And and that's a different take than I
27:10
think everybody would see, but the
27:11
broader stroke for me was
27:13
yo, this is patriotism. You know, being
27:17
explained through a lens we have yet to
27:20
see. You know, and it's relatable to us.
27:23
And there are voices that are written in
27:25
this in this script that will represent
27:28
people
27:29
fully, not just half, you know,
27:32
half-baked, but fully will represent who
27:35
you are in this country. So, man, I you
27:37
know, I without giving too much away,
27:40
One Spoon of Chocolate is the name of
27:42
the movie.
27:42
>> Oscar and Hall of Fame in the same year,
27:44
baby. Boom, boom, boom. Bang, bang. I
27:47
got a bang, bang now. You got a bang,
27:48
bang. Tracy, go ahead. Yes. RZA, earlier
27:51
in the show, Heather had brought out
27:53
brought up the
27:54
um the power of details and how that can
27:59
take something from good to great, you
28:01
know, just adding sprinkles to whatever
28:03
project that you have. I would love if
28:06
you're able to share an example of um a
28:09
part of this cinematic process that
28:12
really required a meticulous eye.
28:16
Wow, I mean, to be honest, every part of
28:18
it, you know, from the costume for my
28:20
for my heroes having what they have on
28:23
There's a scene,
28:25
uh we could talk about this. There's a
28:26
scene where you know, the character, his
28:28
name is Unique and he's from New York.
28:31
Right? And he goes down to Ohio to his
28:33
cousin Ramsey. And and New Yorkers, we
28:36
wear Timberlands, bro. Mhm. Now, they go
28:39
to the basketball court to play a game
28:40
of basketball. The dude is playing
28:42
basketball in his Timbs. And it was it
28:45
was not only something I wanted to point
28:47
out, but even with his with you know New
28:50
Yorkers we kind of flap our tongue a
28:52
certain way. You know what I mean?
28:53
>> [laughter]
28:54
>> His his his his his Timbs laying had a
28:56
certain flap on it. And he thought he
28:58
was going to bust his cousin's ass
29:00
playing Timbs. And he can't he had a few
29:01
good moves, but the point is
29:03
you shouldn't play
29:05
basketball in Timbs. But you know what?
29:07
We do. Right.
29:08
>> [laughter]
29:09
>> And and and and the gag when the when
29:11
the audience caught the joke when the
29:12
guy's like yo you can't [ __ ] win
29:14
playing in them [ __ ] Timbs. The
29:16
audience got it. But those type of
29:18
details
29:19
all the way to the hairstyle, you know,
29:22
when you see the hairstyles on some of
29:23
my characters or Shameik Moore when he
29:25
first came out of the out of the system
29:28
you know, he
29:29
to be honest when he first came out of
29:30
the system cuz I I'm a hip-hop lover and
29:33
I of course I live hip-hop and I also
29:35
love all of
29:36
our culture of a lot of artists in this
29:39
culture. Like I love them. I don't get a
29:41
chance to see them or tell them that.
29:42
Yeah. But when he came out the system I
29:45
wanted his hair it looks like Kodak
29:46
Black when he first came out. Oh, he
29:47
does look like Kodak Black.
29:49
>> And it's just like you know, I love that
29:51
brother's songs and and and and his his
29:53
his effort to what he was striving in
29:54
the whole Haitian community. And so I
29:56
was just like yo I just wanted to give
29:58
him give him that one nod. Yeah. Come
30:01
home bro and be
30:03
and move move move this way. And so so
30:06
so all the details in the film is is
30:09
very meticulous and I thought about uh
30:11
every nook and cranny of it.
30:13
>> Mhm. It is man. Thank you. Well, I was
30:15
going to say I was going to say
30:16
something. No no no I can't no. Um Riza
30:18
before we started off the show this
30:20
morning talking about
30:22
like start to finish and the feeling
30:25
that you have when you have an idea and
30:27
it finally you finally get the keys to
30:29
that to your your business or the keys
30:31
to your home and started that LLC. Uh
30:34
for all the creatives listening right
30:35
now and the millions of people that will
30:37
see this conversation how long did it
30:40
take from the time you had this idea of
30:42
this film to getting it out. Was it
30:45
years? Was it
30:47
>> This particular film, I started writing
30:49
it in 2011.
30:51
What? Wow.
30:53
And
30:54
I kept getting stuck. Like couldn't
30:57
maybe 40 pages and couldn't move,
30:59
couldn't move. And then one day had a
31:01
writer's strike a couple of years ago.
31:03
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
31:04
During the writer's strike, I was like
31:07
well, I'm going to write.
31:09
>> [laughter]
31:10
>> You know what I mean?
31:11
Strike? No, bro. I'm going to work more.
31:13
How about that? Um and then um I tried
31:16
to write something different. I was
31:17
writing something that that I'm pretty
31:19
proud of and eventually it had come to
31:21
life, but that got stuck.
31:23
Then I went back to these pages and all
31:25
of a sudden it just started flowing like
31:27
water.
31:28
So that goes back to sometime it ain't
31:30
you.
31:31
It's just the artist self is is is
31:34
incubating before it manifests itself
31:36
like a seed in the ground.
31:38
Um but the double down with so 13, 14
31:41
years. I just put it out. But the double
31:43
down with you said about completion
31:46
uh preparation
31:48
is everything. And completion is
31:50
everything. One of my biggest joys Mhm.
31:53
and this has been for over a decade now
31:55
is to complete my goal. Amen. That's
31:58
special to me.
32:00
Um
32:01
I'mma add a lesson to this.
32:03
I didn't say this to you yesterday. Uh
32:04
so yesterday was the premiere
32:07
of the film Once Upon a Time in
32:08
Chocolate, April 22nd. Mhm. Right?
32:12
And in my life, April 22nd is a special
32:15
day because April 22nd is the day
32:17
that I was acquitted
32:19
uh from
32:21
the crime that was going to send me to
32:23
jail for 8 years. Wow. So April 22nd, I
32:25
celebrate April 22nd every year cuz it's
32:28
like
32:29
it's the day that Prince Rakeem became
32:33
the RZA.
32:34
Woo! And
32:35
and I didn't plan I I didn't like the
32:38
the the premiere date was
32:41
so many different dates. And somebody
32:42
said, "Well, the only date available at
32:44
that theater was April 22nd."
32:47
And then in the opening of the film when
32:50
our hero gets out
32:52
the last day he marks on a calendar
32:55
is April 22nd, bro. So Can't make that
32:58
up.
32:58
>> Can't make it up. You can't make that
32:59
up. You can't. Don't even bother
33:01
explaining it, right? Can't How do you
33:03
know it?
33:03
>> confidence. But now 22 in our alphabets
33:06
is the letter V. Uh-huh. And that's
33:08
victory. And victory is to achieve your
33:11
goal. Word.
33:12
>> Complete and achieve your goal. Man.
33:15
Reason, man. I'm glad he got up, man.
33:17
Even though he fell asleep on the way
33:18
here.
33:19
That [ __ ] is dope, man. I love it, man.
33:21
>> Incredible. Thank you. Beautiful. Thank
33:23
you.
33:23
>> Yeah, man. Um
33:24
I'm I'm I'm We ain't going to hold you
33:25
too long, man. I had a I had a plan, but
33:28
I listened to your voice. I don't know
33:29
if that's going to work out. But uh
33:32
>> [laughter]
33:34
>> I'll come back and see you.
33:35
>> You already know where I was going with
33:37
this, man. Real quick, for those who
33:39
want to know
33:40
uh can you explain what happened in
33:42
Australia with the tour? Oh. No. Yeah.
33:46
Australia, we had um
33:48
some members missed the flight, didn't
33:49
get on the flight. Some members had um
33:52
like for my position
33:54
you know, we in a position as a family
33:57
that every Wu member has a manager. And
33:59
that manager represents their interest.
34:02
And so the managers had
34:05
said, "Yo, my client This you know, I
34:07
hate to say client, but my client is
34:09
going to be there."
34:10
But
34:11
we was going through a difficult time,
34:13
of course, with the loss of our brother
34:14
Power.
34:15
>> Yeah, man. Power to Power,
34:17
brother. All phases do.
34:19
And
34:20
and and Dubai was was a date that got
34:24
canceled. So it was it was Europe, Dubai
34:27
then Australia.
34:30
Dubai, of course, they had the war. They
34:31
blew up the whatever. They airport. So,
34:33
wasn't going over there, right?
34:35
So, in that gap, some brothers went back
34:38
to America.
34:40
Okay. But, some brothers stayed over in
34:42
Europe.
34:43
>> Uh-huh. Um and you don't know who do
34:45
what cuz you just you know, we just form
34:47
like Voltron when it's time. So, you
34:48
don't know where all those other other
34:50
other lions at.
34:50
>> caps at. You don't know where all those
34:52
caps at. You don't know where they at,
34:53
right?
34:53
>> them last night. You didn't see them
34:55
again when you see them again.
34:57
>> [laughter]
34:57
>> But, when we got to Australia, uh it was
35:01
half half a team. Uh-huh.
35:02
>> what I mean? And um and you know,
35:06
the first night was like, "Hold on.
35:07
Wait. Yo, where where the god at? Yo, I
35:09
don't even know where the god at.
35:10
Okay, what's Chef what we going to do?"
35:12
All right. Well, we going to do what we
35:13
going to do, right? So, we still went
35:15
out there and we tore it down. Don't get
35:17
it twisted.
35:18
You know what I mean? We tore it down.
35:19
But, some of the members wasn't there
35:21
and and then the next day so I would hit
35:23
I remember hitting up uh
35:25
um um my brother uh Meth's manager cuz
35:29
you know, I said, "Yo, what's up? Uh
35:31
where's Meth at? You know?" He said,
35:33
"Oh, nah. He had he got he also had a a
35:36
he had a another commitment that was
35:39
hovering. You know, he makes films and
35:41
so, there was a film commitment that was
35:43
hovering that wasn't
35:45
you know, didn't materialize until yes,
35:48
you got to be there tomorrow. So, nah.
35:50
He he can't make it over. He has to
35:51
finish this film. I was like, "Oh, [ __ ]
35:53
yo, bro.
35:54
Uh what about Chef? Where's Where's
35:55
Raekwon?" Yeah. Raekwon wasn't there.
35:58
He said, "Yo, he got some other issues
36:00
and shit." What about Soul Soul? He
36:01
didn't get on the flight. What's Soul
36:02
Soul? Well, Australia don't let [ __ ]
36:03
in. Excuse my language. But, Australia
36:05
won't let you in if you got felonies,
36:07
too. You know what I mean? Mhm.
36:08
>> Oh.
36:09
>> It's I mean, you could clean it up, but
36:10
it ain't easy to get into Australia.
36:13
>> know that. Oh, bro. Listen, we went
36:15
there before and they took some brothers
36:17
and sent them back. They like they'll
36:19
let you get land. You can land.
36:22
Get to the get to the custom man. He's
36:24
just like, "Bro." Isn't that like a
36:26
23-hour flight? Right. Yes, it is. They
36:28
send you right back.
36:29
>> And they send you right back. So so all
36:32
those different So so some brothers
36:33
couldn't make it because of legal,
36:36
some got caught into a commitment, some
36:38
ended up going back home and
36:40
and and not being
36:43
you know not being able to get on that
36:44
flight in time to come back and lock.
36:46
And then after you you know what if you
36:47
miss the first one you were like you
36:48
know what? Yeah. I ain't hitting 23 to
36:51
go. Yeah. Another 23.
36:53
>> I I apologize to the fans for that in
36:55
Australia. We really appreciate
36:57
I mean it was Every every night was sold
36:59
out.
36:59
>> Yeah, man. Was it really the last Is
37:02
that the last Wu-Tang tour?
37:03
This is the final chamber. So the idea
37:06
of the final chamber was to try to hit
37:09
the globe, you know, like when I when we
37:11
when I designed it it was like yo
37:14
if we could hit 100
37:16
to 120 locations. Mhm. That may take two
37:19
or three years. Okay. Cuz you see we
37:21
started in America, we went to Europe,
37:23
Japan was coming, China um
37:27
you know, the motherland, you know what
37:28
I mean? Mhm. But this is this is our
37:30
last our last run where as we are
37:33
committing and obligating each other.
37:36
Mhm. Like a commitment and a obligation
37:39
to each other and to our fans. Um and
37:42
then after that there's no more
37:43
obligations. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You
37:46
in you in if you ain't in. Right. No
37:47
more obligations.
37:48
>> All right. Um but and but it was
37:50
definitely Australia just kind of
37:52
definitely for me I'll be honest with
37:54
you for like a a backward step because
37:57
the audience and the fans were very
37:59
confident
38:01
that the Wu is going to be there.
38:03
>> Yeah. And in Australia
38:05
um we stepped on stage with a with a
38:07
six-man team. Yeah. Yeah.
38:09
>> Y'all tore it down though. Tore it down
38:10
now. Don't get it Listen. Yeah.
38:13
I know that was different for you too,
38:14
huh?
38:14
>> I was going hard body. I
38:16
I started doing rock and roll [ __ ]
38:18
>> [laughter]
38:21
>> Started doing rock and roll [ __ ] Hey
38:22
yo, bro. I'm serious. It's cuz it's like
38:24
you know the Okay, y'all [ __ ] it then.
38:26
I'm going Yo, you have it GZA went hard
38:28
body. Shout out to GZA. Shout out to
38:30
GZA. Yo, the GZA
38:31
the GZA said yo, I'm going to throw He
38:33
He did verses he never did in the
38:34
history Wow. Wow. He was like [ __ ] he
38:37
got 10 more minutes to do some [ __ ] He
38:39
just start
38:41
He was going crazy.
38:42
>> going crazy. Yeah. I love the GZA, man.
38:44
Yeah, y'all hear He was loose on it.
38:46
Wow, man. RZA's here, man. Thank you for
38:48
coming through. RZA, quick. Play him
38:50
that song. That ODB song, that exclusive
38:53
you got. I just want to ask you if you
38:54
know where this came from.
38:56
Jay Jay Period said he got a song.
38:57
>> Just get him in trouble, Sway. Never
38:58
before heard by ODB. I just want to see
39:02
if you heard it before while while he's
39:04
digging that up. And then one spoon of
39:07
chocolate premiering May 1st in
39:09
theaters. May 1st in theaters. Yep. And
39:12
make sure you get that.
39:14
I brought Jay Period because last time
39:17
RZA came to the show
39:18
>> Mhm. when he left, we all got on the
39:20
phone, me and him and Tech like a couple
39:22
of days later.
39:23
>> Right. And and I think I said Tech said
39:27
though, "Did he Did he rhyme?" I said,
39:28
"Nah.
39:30
Nah, I didn't and and I and Tech said,
39:32
"Why not?" And RZA said, "Cuz Sway
39:34
didn't ask me."
39:36
>> [laughter]
39:36
>> I
39:37
was like, "What?" Simple math.
39:40
And I'm like we looking at each
39:42
Okay, so that's why Jay Period was here,
39:45
but I know your voice ain't right.
39:46
>> Right. Yeah, that's when we do my bad
39:48
right lyric, you know what I mean?
39:49
>> Yeah, man. She want to.
39:51
Come on, Sway. I'm just asking. Hold on.
39:53
Hold on, Jay. What you got? My song.
39:55
Nice. I never heard that, bro. You got
39:57
that from Who Dame Dash gave you that?
39:58
Who gave you that?
39:59
>> Man,
40:00
I don't honestly, I don't know 100%
40:02
where it came from. It might have come
40:03
from Mr. Thompson.
40:05
Questlove.
40:06
Questlove, okay. That makes sense. He
40:08
He'd be having some [ __ ] He have He got
40:10
it you ain't got. That's crazy, yo. That
40:12
is crazy.
40:13
>> That's some wild [ __ ] Yeah, but that's
40:14
the first time I mean, I would say you
40:16
hear ODB being introspective. Right.
40:18
>> On a record, which is why I love it.
40:20
>> Yeah, that was great, man.
40:21
>> That was great, bro. Yo, we stumped the
40:22
Rizza. All right, man. Yo, Rizza, thanks
40:25
from J Period. I'm sorry. You got J
40:27
Period in trouble.
40:28
>> That's all right. He got me. Much love
40:29
out the corner. promises of Rizza
40:30
freestyling, [laughter] but we'll have
40:31
to do it another day. Yeah, I told him
40:33
come in the morning, bro. He's like,
40:35
"But he drove as far as you." I said,
40:37
"Nah, man. I'mma ask him to spit. I want
40:39
the right DJ underneath him." Hey,
40:41
listen. I'm happy to come up here and
40:43
set the tone for the god. Next time,
40:45
right, Rizza? Next time. I love you,
40:47
brother. Thank you, brother.
40:48
>> told you that. Thank you. And um
40:51
continue, man. We're following your
40:53
lead. Thank you, bro. All right. Let
40:55
this man fly, man. All right. One spoon
40:58
of chocolate. Make sure y'all support
41:00
this. It's for the culture. Thank you
41:01
for getting up. Thank you, brother. All
41:03
right. He love us. All right. J Period,
41:05
thank you for coming through. Salute to
41:06
the Rizza. All right.

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