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Victorious B.I.G life after death album
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March 25th I believe it was yes
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1997. 1997. I was there man I was there
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he was there baby yes yes yes somebody
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was there you weren't no I was there man
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right up in the mix of a lot of that
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that was going on how many other songs
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um somebody's Gotta Die big never heard
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right [ __ ] Bleed big never heard never
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heard the finished version any other
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songs on this album you think he didn't
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hear the finished version so I think the
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majority of them I'm down full yeah like
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down so there's a so I constructed these
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episodes according to single songs right
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of course the double album we can't do
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it well it's like you know I don't know
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the the so the first episode is called
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who shot you now of course that song
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isn't on the album but that's the
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Prelude so it's a bit the the Warner
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Brothers of course is pushing this to
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get people to stream life after death
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more but this podcast is bigger than
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just a making of life after death it's
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about Biggie's life the last 18 months
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of his life inside and outside the
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um at the beginning of the life after
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the phase when he makes that like ashy
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to classy Biggie Smalls to Frank White
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transition so we start in 1995 with
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um the King of New York cover which is
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why I first guessed on episode one is
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Bones Malone so we um that's who shot
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you and we got you know we have uh Fat
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Joe talking about his friendship with
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big and then nasheen talking about
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producing who shot you which was
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actually his first placement which is
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crazy wow and then um you know he talks
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about the pox stuff and all of that and
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telling this did you see the first
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episode yeah okay so you're going to
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tell it better than me don't say so
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but do we have klepto ending off the
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episode telling this crazy story about
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how big was took a shot at LL on who
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shot you in the studio and everybody
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thought the song was about POC because
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but it actually they recorded that
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before pop got shot so that's not the
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case but he actually but yeah LL was in
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the studio writing to the song can you
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imagine that and big for some reason
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took a shot at LL that's how the episode
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ends but the next episode this one
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that's about to drop is the sky's limit
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episode episode three is somebody's
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Gotta Die episode four is ten Crack
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Commandments five is my downfall six is
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seven is story to tell and eight is last
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day so L the way The Story Goes is and
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who Shot Ya what LL was actually in the
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studio when he recorded his verse so the
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story is so you know the Beats we first
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heard the beat on um Mary's album yeah
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in my life right it was supposed to be a
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uh uh it was supposed to be a song from
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Mary's album with featuring Keith Murray
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big and I guess LL because Ella was in
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the studio writing and I don't know if
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they were using LL just in case big
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didn't come around but
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um for some reason you know and I've
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heard this before from a certain rap
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Legend like icon who said that you know
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big didn't care for LL he bit too much I
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don't again I don't have any you know
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confirmation on this wow I remember
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what I remember hearing this right okay
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keep it in the back keep it in the back
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of my head so now I told you I said I
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said we have to we have to frame this
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stuff right yeah like I was never
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thinking well let's see let's get
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somebody to talk [ __ ] about LL I just
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never knew that would happen no that's
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not even my I'm not even thinking about
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that I'm not thinking there's a West
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between big and LL so that's why L wrote
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I Shot that's what clap said he's like
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the re he says that blatantly like the
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reason big excuse me the reason LL wrote
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I shot you was because of that day in
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the studio because of who shot you and
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I'm like and when you think about it
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it's like it's a line that big said old
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school new school you need to learn
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That was supposed to be at LL let's take
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back when they did extended intros right
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three verses who shot y'all separate the
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weak from the opposite leak Hard to
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Creep them broken streets it's all [ __ ]
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[ __ ] all that bickering beef I can hear
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sweat trick them in there though
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I burn her baby burn like this is called
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Inferno yeah what what does that mean
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how is that a shot oh loud oh no clip
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was saying okay but the thing but the
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thing was right I thought it was I mean
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I got I'm directing it I'm waiting for
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this like and just like trying to get to
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the middle of it like wait what and he's
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he's doubling down and I'm sitting here
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like watching this [ __ ] cook so then and
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I'm like you know I'm like okay it's cap
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if he doesn't say that there's some kind
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of interaction with big if big doesn't
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acknowledge this this is real and then
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you know what we had a moment like I
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asked him like oh why'd you go at LL
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like that he just laughed and like kept
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it pushing so I mean like it wasn't like
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big denied it like like what are you
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talking about like he was like we like
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joked about it but he kept it pushing I
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guess there was no specific conversation
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about and I don't know maybe there's a
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maybe I need to access or somebody I
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don't know but like you know about LL
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but no like that was his thing so but
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what you said LL was in the studio when
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big made this yes Ella was writing to
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the song nasheem which was the interview
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before CLEP says that Ella was in the
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studio writing to it wow big rap that
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hold on man yes let me see if C's a
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let's get to it a friend hold up man
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let's get to it let's see he's a pickup
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being early bird she's supposed to be
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picking up this is a hell of a wake-up
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we got one more ring and it's a dub
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oh damn she's ain't picking up
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you tried tell him hit back go hit back
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everybody listen everybody calls you
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right back he don't want to know he
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don't want nothing to smoke
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cheese ain't picking up the person you
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are trying to reach said hell no man
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that's a lot of rings too that's how you
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know what's going on let's okay let's
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move let's move on I'm gonna move on
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um no no no no no that's just what it is
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I mean Ella probably else been saying
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speaking a lot to the Past he talked
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about the Rakim thing you sort of rock
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him a bit with him and um he's talking
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about they asked I forget it was a big
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felly fails okay he actually he's like
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yo the first so the first time you heard
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Rakim you know did you feel like yo he
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like he was on another level and like
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laughed like hell no it's like I thought
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I was the man I thought it was great I
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bumped his [ __ ] I was you know I
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respected p i respected PE I respected
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Kane but like I was L and I'm like God I
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had to give it up like I'm not mad at
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that LL people seem to forget that dude
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rap super yes like he was the first rap
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Superstar and he wasn't giving it up and
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he was young he didn't have to yeah yeah
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because he he started young
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um big did something that I really like
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yeah well he reached out to the Midwest
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Bone Thugs and Harmony and and
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collaborated with those guys through Fat
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Joe actually that happened through Fat
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Joe cause they were signed to the same
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record label relativity record speak to
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that like how important was that
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collaboration I mean huge I mean again I
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don't want to spoil the episode but I
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mean this is massive you got to realize
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again people who forget right this is
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like 20 of 20 something years ago almost
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94 95 like yeah Bone Thugs-N-Harmony are
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rock stars they are doing stadiums yeah
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they're actually way bigger than biggie
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yes you know what I'm saying they're
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doing yeah five times six times Platinum
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absolutely Midwest they're bringing the
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west coast and East Coast flavor
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together they are complete rock stars
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yes doing songs with POC so
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and and it's interesting because there's
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actually different accounts you know and
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that's and you know journalistically
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it's our job I like to get to the truth
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and with this I wasn't I wasn't really
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fixated on getting the absolute truth I
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wanted everybody to get their account
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because that's what the beauty of
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telephone that's the beauty of you know
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how stories are passed down through
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generations everybody has their account
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now a lot of stories you can tell line
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up now Sheen didn't speak to CLEP but
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when he told her who shot the story he
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told his story CLEP told his story and
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then you see which pieces fit together
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okay like clip was like yeah only people
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in the studio was puff big LL and
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engineer the engineer it was actually
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not Sheen who was an engineer who's
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producing and Engineering for for um for
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bad boys right so you know they big says
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um because I was like you know I know I
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know that I always heard that there was
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some discrepancy with trying to get the
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record done because Bone Thugs were
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supposedly allies of pot yeah right and
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they were they were leaning towards La
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they lived in La you know even though
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um Fat Joe was the one who had to like
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you know go get them and convince them
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yada yada now lazy bones in the
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interview he says that there was never
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an issue we was always we were all
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always neutral Steve lobel's the manager
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of bone thug says that never happened
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Fat Joe says otherwise so you know
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I don't know you know it depends on who
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you want to believe or you know who
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forgot whatever but you know I remember
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what the rumors were that they were
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hesitant to do it because of POC
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um and that makes perfect sense it would
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make sense for that time because you
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know how Pock was yeah you step up you
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don't play that neutral [ __ ] yeah
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trade them it'll hit him up too I guess
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so I couldn't believe it they said it
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didn't happen Fat Joe says otherwise
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either way it's a great episode but when
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they got in the studio together amazing
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so if they got in the studio and the
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studio session is actually iconic
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because they you know bone bone thugs
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they rolled like like one artist one of
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the Bone Thugs would show up with like
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10 of his dudes another one would show
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up 20 his dudes so it's like 50 people
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in the studio with big and C's and drock
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and all of them they um puff came
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through with like a case of Hennessy you
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know they brought all the weed I mean
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it's just a party basically yeah and
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they pre like I'm talking like lazy
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passed out they had to shake them wake
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them up throw cold water on him to get
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him to his verse woke up from from
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passing out for drinking Hennessy did
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his verse in one take now we hear that
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doing that in one take drunk and high
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but big never laid his verse that day he
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didn't no you gotta come back and tell
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us why that happened all right Apostle
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Thompson Sway in the morning let's go