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CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Boxing Legends Antonio Tarver and Zab Judah Join Sway in the Morning
03:17 - Terence Crawford vs Canelo Alvarez Fight Analysis
11:47 - Time Required to Learn a New Skill
13:16 - Mental Game Elevation in Boxing
17:12 - Should Legends Be Allowed to Fight?
19:08 - Jake Paul vs Tank Davis Matchup
23:30 - PHONE CALLS
26:10 - Identifying the Next Boxing Superstar
27:20 - Reasons Canelo vs Benavidez Didn't Happen
29:35 - Caller from Boston
31:45 - Caller from Houston
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All right, courtesy of Sway the Morning with Heather B and Tracy G. Horse. Yes. Yes. We are in a SE segment called Bridge
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Business. We've been doing bridge business since what year? Like 2019. We've been talking about boxing. Prior
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to that, we've had everybody from Shakur Stevenson to Linux Lewis. We've had them all. We had a lot of great on the show
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before people were putting them on the show cuz they didn't know who they not Linux Lewis, but they didn't know who Shakur was at that time. I mean, we've
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been really um not because we stepped in the ring, but because we love boxing. And for the boxers who are joining us
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today, this is something that horse and I, we've been watching boxing since the 70s. I love telling the story of seeing
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Muhammad Ali on TV, being old enough to witness that. Uh Haggler, Haggler,
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Hearns, you know, Sugar Ray Leonard. I've seen a lot of Roberto Duran. I've seen them all. I grew up watching this
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stuff. Grew up fighting in the streets before I got into hip-hop and got into track and field. And so it's just really
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great that in this day and age that we can have some of the most legendary boxers to ever step inside of the ring
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come join us this morning horse. I got my good friend Steve Espinosa who I grew
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up playing basketball with in the Bay Area here with me. You know him from time for you know him from PBC. You know
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him. Here he is. Steve Espinosa is back. Oh man, I'm I'm excited because one of the things everybody in here, Sway, you
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me horse chase, we can all relax. Yes. Because we're not going to get another word edgewise in this show with these
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two guys right here because we we got two of the best talkers in the game. Antonio Magic Man Tarver, he was a 96
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Olympian, part of the legendary Olympic team in 1996, light uh light heavyweight
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world champion multiple times. You remember him from the famous knockout.
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You know who I'm talking about. We all the one of the quotes. And also you know him as a boxing
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announcer. You know him as Mason Dixon from Rocky Balboa, movie star, commentator. And my man Zab Judah. Zap
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super Judah. Also, come on. [Music]
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[Applause] You know, also an Olympic and he was the undisputed welterweight champion of the
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world for several years. You know, I go back for a long time with both these guys. Zab used to see Zab, you know, on
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the undercard of Tyson fights. That's how he came up, you know, wearing his army fatigues, you know, everywhere
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Tyson was. This was Mike Tyson's little brother, you know, from from Brooklyn. So, I'm proud to say, look, I've had
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working relationships with both these guys. They're great guys. They're great talkers. Now, you know, the rest of us can lay out because that's it, right?
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Antonio Tarver is here. Zab Judah is here. And I got to shout out my brother Justin McCrae who helped us get these
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guys here today. Jay, we appreciate you, man. Man, get in the camera so they can see you. Just come wave, man.
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There you go. There you go, man. Town business, man. That dude loves boxing, man. Steve, I was supposed to
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introduce you to him years ago, but this dude loves boxing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen him around. Yeah. Yeah. He loves boxing. He always
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hits me about, you know, um fighters that he's working with and um his commentary as well. Goes real in depth.
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Welcome to the show, fellas. Welcome to the show. Let's get straight to it, man.
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Let's get straight to it. The big event is taking place this Saturday, man. that the audience, the boxing world is very
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divided on this one. You know, Steve Espinosa said you could kind of see the divide when it comes to race, right? You
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know, the the majority of black fans are voting for Crawford or they rooting for Crawford. The majority of Mexican fans
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are rooting for, you know, Canelo. I want to know from you guys based on your expertise, how do you see this fight
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playing out? Zab, I want to start with you. Uh, for myself, um, I think it's going
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to be a very excellent fight. It's gonna be a very intriguing fight from the beginning, but I think that once the
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fights start and my prediction, if Bud comes in the ring, because that's my prediction of who I think is going to
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win Bud. Okay. So, I think if he comes in, starts fast, starts letting, you know, Bud go, you
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know what I'm saying? Started out with right-handed and he switched up to the left-handed style, busting Canelo up, making a miss, hitting him with great
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counter punches and counter shots. By the 11th round, he'll be softened up and we can sit him down.
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Sit him down. Sit him down. Hold up. Hold up. Hold up. Sit down. Hold up, man.
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We have never seen this anybody sit down. Canelo Alvarez.
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So, let's let let's say uh Terence Bud Crawford has been doing things that
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we've never seen done in boxing before. He's been doing it. Really? What What is it that he's done?
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And by the way, I'm a Crawford I'm a Crawford guy. He was the first man to become undisputed.
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All right. Two different times. I mean, the way he's moving up and down the scale of the weight classes and dominating these
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fighters, nobody thought he was going to dismantle Earl Spence like that. Yeah. Nobody thought that. Well, hold up. One person did.
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I mean, yeah. I mean, okay, even though Tyler said that, but we didn't think he was going
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to do it like that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We knew he was going to beat him. We didn't think he was going to do it like that.
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Like he was going to dominate him like that. Right. You know what I'm saying? Uh Prince is one of my favorite fighters. You know what I'm saying? he still is
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having, you know, a tough time coming coming back around. You know what I mean? So, when fighters are doing things like that, that's the level of greatness
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that I'm saying that we we going to see tomorrow night. Okay. And what about you, Antonio Tarver, who is very I I was telling
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Antonio that how much I enjoy his commentary and his expertise uh when I watch him cover fights, even if he's
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covered it from home live, from his IG, you know, I love uh what he has to say.
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You do not hold back. How do you see this fight playing out? Well, I must say I'm Bud County all the way. Saying I've
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been following this guy for a long long time, man. Southpaw uh switch hititterter and uh he's a two-fisted
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monster. Yeah. You know, he used those hands better than anybody. And uh but he is fighting Canelo Alvarez, right? You know what I
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mean? I think moving up two weights is going to be challenging, but if anybody can do it successfully,
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it's a guy named Bud Crawford. How is he going to do it? Zab said if he softens him up by the 11th round, he
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could sit him down. Well, when you look at Canelo last few fights, he haven't been really active. He hasn't been throwing combination punches. It's been
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like one punch at a time, one here, one there. And I think he's going to have to get back to his boxing combination
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style. I think if we see the the Canelo, and I call him Saul with Saul show up,
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the one guy that defeated Plant, that was the act of Canelo that I believe will give anybody problems. But the the
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Canelo we've been seeing recently, it just seemed like, you know, he don't have that hunger or intensity that he
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used to have when he was a young kid coming up. And I think when you look at it, hunger, being hungry
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in boxing is important. You know what I mean? I think they're fighting for two different reasons
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tomorrow night. And I and I'll give you the rebuttal. So you got a guy in Canelo who's been in
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there three times with Triple G, right? One of the best punchers of his generation, been in there with Bivo,
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another guy with power. He took it all. Why is Why is Bud different? You're saying, you know, Bud is going to do
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something that Canel Canelo and Bivo were unable to do. Skill a different type of skill level.
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Different type skill level. I'm telling you, watch. We're going to see. We're going to see. We're going to see it
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tomorrow night. It's different skill level when it comes to this hand. the the the the hand craftsmanship is
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different. Watch. And I can I can say when you look at those fighters that you mentioned, GGG
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and Pavo, they're great fighters, but I don't think you can classify them
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as sharp punchers. Sharp punching is a different type of punch. It feels different. You
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understand? It has leverage. And you're hitting the mark. You're hitting this guy what hurts. That's the difference.
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And I call that GPS. A lot of guys don't have GPS on their bunch. They don't know where they going. They
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just swinging. They just swinging. They swinging. I like that GPS. They got no
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real landing mark. They turned their location off, right?
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Horus, what are your thoughts on this? Well, I think I'm going with T uh T Bud, but I want to know who wins this fight.
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The boxer or the brawler in this fight? Well, boxer is always going to win. It's always going to beat the the brawler
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because the brawler is not in control. You know what I mean? and he just swinging punches. The boxer is always
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under control. He understands what's taking place right in front of him. So, y'all both believe that going to
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finish by knockout if it go to a decision. What do you think about that? That's what I'm thinking about. The only way Bud could win for me is by
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by knockout. Wow. Well, I mentioned that when you look at Canelo close fights and it's controversial fights, you know,
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he's a favorite fighter, bro. And it's Mexican Independence Day, right? You know what I mean? And uh uh weekend.
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I don't know if that matters at all, but yeah, he's the undisputed champion. So,
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it's that old added statement that you got to take the title from the champion.
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I think that's is it looms this weekend because he's Canelo Alvarez.
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Wow, man. Now, what about Now, what about this way? I I also got something else in mind. I'm I'm more also leaning towards
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because of it's such a a big independence day and Canelo had been such successful and it's his it's like
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his weekend. What about a draw? Oh yeah, a draw. Seen that draw coming? You see that?
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Yeah. Don't kill me, baby. No, no, no. I told these guys yesterday I think it's
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going to be a close fight. I I don't think it's going to be a lot of action. I I I don't because I just think there
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is they're both very technical fighters. You're right. Canelo hasn't been that active. Bud, it's tough to counter punch
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off a guy who isn't that active. So, Bud's going to have to step on the gas and be aggressive. Will he or will he? I
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think it's going to be really I think there's going to be a lot of arguments after this fight. Well, how do you believe because
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Espinosa is leaning um Canelo Alvarez and it's interesting that all the three black guys pick Crawford and the one
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Mexican? Yeah. I mean, like a California.
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I'm not saying I I I thought Antonio was Dominican.
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Antonio,
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they do. All right. All right. They do. Uh, but how does how does Canelo win?
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Look, I I I think it's it's it's skill. I think it's it's it's pace. Um, and I
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think it's being more comfortable in the ring. I mean, it worries me a little bit. I mean, you guys, I have not been in the ring. You guys have, but it
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worries me a little bit when I look at Bud and how jacked he is. You know, how muscular he is. I mean, you know,
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there's a there's a long history in boxing. There's like a prejudice against being muscular and he's put on a lot of
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muscle. No, I think that you guys are looking at Bud and say cuz he came into this fight bigger than Canelo. Everybody thought
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Canela was gonna be such monstrous over him and super sized. And when he came here and he looked bigger than Canela,
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they're like, "Wait a minute. Wait a but I don't." I watched him shadow box. I watch his pivots. I watch his move. See,
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all of that means something. Me and Ta were just talking about this. Them little sharp pivots and them sharp moves. When you carrying that weight and
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you're not carrying it right and it's not well saturated in your body, it's not going to turn the same. But when
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it's when it's when it's good and it's and it's sitting right with you, you could, you know what I'm saying?
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That's what I seen C bar, I mean, uh, Bud Crawford doing. I like that you mentioned saturation
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because I was thinking to myself, and I want to know this from both you, Zab and Tarver. Um, when it comes to learning a
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new skill, right, to bring into the ring for both of y'all, how long did it take
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for it actually to be almost like buried in your muscle? Lifetime.
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But outside of a lifetime, say when you're preparing specifically for a fight. So, you're saying the game plan
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itself, if you have to make adjustments, how long does it take for you to really get acclimated to what you're doing
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or something specific that you have not used in another fight? When you know the game, you can always
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insert some things, you know what I mean? You don't want to change your whole style, right? You want to stay within your realm of uh
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what you do, but yeah, we can always do that because we have the insights of boxing. So you can
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bring something new to us and we can incorporate it in our game. Yeah. I mean it takes a smart fighter to do that
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without having to change his whole style. But the elites can do that, right?
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The elites can do. And I would say like if you put in something new, a new repertoire into your game plan, it'll probably kick in
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probably kick in around the eighth week of training. Like where you'll have it like shop eighth, ninth, 10th week of
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training. It'll kick in really good. You know what I mean? If you consistently work on it, of course, because if you know, anything you add in
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a new, if it's no consistency, it's not going to it's not going to work. Is there anything outside of, you know,
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your physical training that has really upped your game mentally that you feel
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like took it to the next level for the both of y'all, whether that's a book or a film or maybe it's studying an athlete
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in a completely different sport? No, for me it's it's it's the experience. Every time I step into the
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ring, I learn something new. Mhm. It could be with a amateur. It could be with a solid professional. It could be
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with a guy I'm just working with. It could be with a Padman showing me something, a slip and a move. And I'm
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like, "Oh, add that to the repertoire." So, so in this boxing game, no matter how high you go up, you're always
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constantly learning. Yes. You agree with that, Antonio? Of course. I echo that sir. And um
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uh yeah, I mean, you got to just keep learning, bro. Yeah. And when you also mentioned the
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sparring, you know, whatever game plan that you incorporating into this, okay, say we need to do this, we got to see it
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in sparring. If you're not doing it in sparring, you can't expect to see it in the fight.
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That's right. So, you got chances to get your reps in. You know what I mean? If a guy
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is have a low hand and he getting hit with left hooks like uh Haney did.
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Yeah. fight against, you know, we need to see him blocking that and sparring.
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So when he goes back to the ring, okay, we're not worried about that left hook. So that's makes the whole team
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comfortable. And when a fighter see that he's advancing now, he's like he's on his bicycle. He's going fast now. He's
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excited that he's see elevating. But we learn from everybody. Yes. You know, like Jab Zab just said,
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the fighters that are on top, you know, I'm sure Bud watched a lot of great fighters to reveal himself to where he's
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at today. You know what I mean? How do you prepare? How do um Canelo prepare for a guy like Bud? I see that
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he was in he was sparring with uh Geron in never been in there with Bud. So, it's
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like he not he's not fighting a guy that was in there with Bud and was like, "Hey, he he pulled these type of tricks and traps on me." How do a guy like
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Canelo because Bud is definitely fighting the bigger guys, you know, far as dealing with power and getting hit. So, how does Canelo prepare for a guy
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like that? To to me it just showed us to me it just showed a sign of that he's uh a little bit desperate and a little bit
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worried about what Bud could possibly bring a good phys because for you to go grab a guy like Boots
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for you to go grab a guy like Boots such you know I mean compared to Canelo for
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you to go grab a guy like Boots I mean there's a little worry there a little bit like you like wait like wait a minute I heard what's the worry though Boots
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I I have a different opinion on but why is that desperate cuz you feel like Boots Why do you I mean, I feel
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like he wants to go find the youngest, baddest, strongest. Yeah. Reach. Yeah.
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You You reaching. Let me find the youngest baddest afroamerican young kid out there that's coming up. Let me get
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all those guys in my stable as well. You know what I'm saying? Here's a here's a guy that was reaching for for Crawford
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at one time. And the fight was supposed to be made, but it never happened. You know what I'm saying? So, let me go go grab him. That's not going to help. It's
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not going to help. My opinion on that is when I look at the fact that he went and got Boost Inis and he went and got a guy
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from Orlando, Vasant Blast. This guy was an Olympian, tall guy and uh he's a
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killer. You know what I mean? It shows me that Saul Canelo Alvarez has taken this fight
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deadly serious cuz you could have got anybody, but you invested and brought in
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a world champion, bro. You know, it costs a little bit more than just bringing in your regular fighter. You know what I mean? So, he's
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invested in this fight. Okay. And and it wasn't about the money. So, when you bring a guy like Boost Inis in,
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you serious? You trying to get a guy that can really replicate Crawford? Yeah. In so many ways.
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I love how you guys have differences of opinion here. Yeah. I I disagree. He got 150 million for the fight. So, the money wasn't
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enough. He bring whoever he want to bring. You know what I mean? I He got a little nervous.
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Bring people back from the dead for that money. Yeah. We we was talking with Steve the other day and Shakur and they they have
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some really interesting things to say about some of the exhibition fights that are happening. For example, Mike Tyson
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uh versus Floyd Mayweather. Um and and they actually changed my perspective on
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it cuz I initially was saying I that's not a fight I necessarily want to see fire, right? But they Shakur was like
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well what are you talking about? These are two legends. Let them live. Let them eat. We see that happen in basketball.
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We see that happening in golf. We see that happening other sports. Why not? And as I thought about it, I was like,
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"Yeah, maybe." Yeah. Those two my favorite fighters of all time. Why not? Right. What are y'all thoughts on it?
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I love it. I love it. I think for uh for both guys, you know what I'm saying? Starting with uh Mike. Mike being 59
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years old. Yeah. to be 59 years old, to be a X fighter, to be retired, and to
18:06
have another chance to get your body and your mind and your physical and everything back into shape, to get back
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in here and compete again, all of us know right now to fight, to get back in the ring and do what you got to do to fight, that's very hard.
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Yeah. So, for Mike to be doing that at 59 years old, that's long life for him. That's long life. You know what I'm
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saying? Where else at 59 years old can Mike Tyson go or anybody go and make $25
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million in 20 minutes for, you know, for doing something you've done for the last 30, 40 years. Oh my god.
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A point has been made. That's it. I love that. I love it. But one thing they're going to have to uh
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be concerned with is the optics. You know, we still got to watch this. Yeah. You understand?
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Meaning, it's not common that we see a guy so much bigger than the opponent in the
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ring. That's a fact. You know what I'm saying? And then how is it going to look for real? For real. So that's something we
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going to have to fight. You know what it is. Ain't no weight class. Let's go to
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With that said, then let's go to the next fight. Uh Jake Paul versus Javvante
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Tank Davis. These are active fighters, right? Um this seems like a kind of a
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spectacle, right? Because of the size. And when you talk about the optics, Tarva, you know what the what those
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optics is going to look like are crazy. But what do you think of Tank taking this fight?
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Oh man, it's opportunity. You know what I'm saying? These guys are are are right now today boxers are getting unique
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opportunities that we never had in the past. And uh you know, these guys are smart to take advantage of it. Um but
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spread the wealth. There's a lot of more names out there that can get involved, bro. You understand? you know, spread
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the wealth. That's that's my only take. Well Well, we're starting to see that
19:55
happen because, you know, recent headlines tell us that Zab Judah is
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returning back to the ring. Oh, yeah. But he's not fighting a boxing champion.
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He's fighting uh one of the world most world biggest names in in the digital
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spaces. One of the most successful people out there, one of the most entertaining and one of the most athletic people out there. You fighting
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speed, right? Sway trying to break news. Breaking news, man. Now, now we talking. We got
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breaking news. Listen, man. I'm just coming back to have some fun, man. I just loving the energy in the
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space that the Most High has put me in right now. You know what I'm saying? me sitting here right now being 48 years old,
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feeling feeling great, you know, hanging out with my peers, my guys. He's looking great. We're looking great. We're
20:46
feeling great. We had a great, you know, a great a great a great event. You know what I'm saying? And
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this is boxing. This This is what I've done since the age of six years old. From 6 years old to 41, I've done
20:59
nothing. I never played no other sports. I never done nothing. I never had a job. I never done nothing. So, this is what I
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love to do. Wow. And when you still able at this age to still get in there and moving, grooving, shaking, baking, play,
21:10
and all that, and have fun with the best of them, I don't think that uh it's your time to hang. I think I show Speed is about what, how
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old is he, 20, 20 something? Yeah, I think I think he's a young guy. Yeah, he's a young guy, right? Um, how did
21:22
this even happen? Like, were you a fan of his? Was he a fan of yours? How How did y'all Well, you know, it's the it's the behind
21:29
the scenes team, you know what I'm saying? They putting everything together still, you know what I'm saying? And uh we just going through the motions, you
21:35
know what I'm saying? I think it's I think it's great for the culture. You know what I'm saying? He's a young, fast. I like that guy. New fly guy. You know what I'm saying? I
21:42
I've been here. My speed is solidified. Yes, indeed. You know what I'm saying? I mean, he's trying to establish.
21:47
Would you hit him hard? He's trying to establish. Would you hit him with the same punch you hit Floyd with?
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He's trying to establish who he is in this game. So, I got to solidify who I
21:59
am in this game. You know what I mean? Why didn't Canelo call you? Cuz I think he have problems with Southport
22:05
fighters. I think I really never seen him fight too many Southpaw fighters and y'all being probably the slickest Southport fighters that I know. Why
22:11
didn't Canelo call you for like far as sparring and getting a few pointers from you? Cuz you know Bud is going to switch
22:17
up and I feel like uh he got to fight South. I don't think that would have been the right guy to spar with Canelo
22:24
or do that. You want to show him something from a Southport stance like far as like what to look for to go against my boy.
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Oh no. Oh, that's why. I'm not saying yesterday. There we go. That's why
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I'm not gonna say when I say yesterday, it comes down to loyalty, my boy. What you mean? Now, he fight
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another another southpaw and it was an opportunity. Yes, I'll go help him. Of of course, I had nothing against But not against Butt.
22:47
Not against But I had nothing against Canelo. I say I like Canelo. He's a great fighter. I watched him transition
22:53
from Canelo Alvarez that fought Floyd to Canelo Alvarez who he is today. That's a
22:58
whole that that's two that's two different fighters. Yeah. I want guys to know that the guy that fought Floyd and the guy that's fighting to tomorrow
23:04
night. That's two different guys. That's two different guys. So So you know what I mean? So it's a different spectacle. We watched him get better and
23:11
transition right in front of our eyes. Yeah. We watch him with his defense with the head movement. At first I I can remember
23:16
the Canelo that was still stiff coming straight at you just throwing punches. Now you know what I'm saying? He's he's uh
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you know he's great right now. Complete fighter. He's a completely different fighter. We going we're going to open the phone lines up. 8887423345.
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Give a round of applause to our panelists. This is mad interesting. Stephen Espinosa. Steve Espinosa. Zap
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Judah or Jab Zuda, however you want to call it. What's going on, man? Antonio Tarver is here as well. We're going to
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go to line one. We got my man Z on the line from Tampa. Z, what up? Z. Z, homeboy.
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What's up? What up, man? Say what's up. We got champions in the room. Z, come on, man.
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Sit. Sit. We we got a whole room full of full of gold in there. You know what I'm saying? Yo, shout out. I'mma give my
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shout outs to to to Magic, man. I live here in Tampa. Uh we used to go to church together at Bible Based uh
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Fellowship. Oh, wow. Yes, sir. Wow. Wow, man. Yo, y'all don't think I go to church.
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You was God. That's right. You was beating up a lot of people then asking for
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forgiveness. Yo. Yo, straight up. Straight up. In church with his glasses on. Yeah. Yeah.
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With his sunglasses on. Yo, Jab. Yo, Jab Zuda. Yo, brother.
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Hey, man. Never ran, never will. I'm from Brownsville. [Music] I love going to work. I love your body
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of work. I love your body of work. And tomorrow, you know, Mr. Espinosa, I don't know you, but you know, shouts out
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to you. Well, and I'm a citizen. So, one more thing I just want to say is uh you know, nobody really talks about Canelo
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and Canadelo and and you know how Canelo uh like like Zaz said is two different
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persons, but two different people is Canelo always walk down an opponent
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before he even hits the ring and has not done that to Crawford. In all the face offs I've seen, he has not done that.
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And it's going to be a great battle tomorrow because I I've been waiting for this for years for a good battle like
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this. You know, it's interesting you bring that up because we had a caller call um
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earlier this morning. I want to get get you guys' feedback. You three, the caller asked Horus and I, you know, this
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being as huge of a fight as it is, in my opinion, there's not a bigger fight that could be made in active boxing. Um, but
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he doesn't feel like we'll ne we'll see another mega fight like this for another 10 years.
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What are your thoughts? That's a long time. Isn't that Isn't that a long time? Like it's a long time. I don't mean to cut you off. Yeah.
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No, no, no. What are your thoughts on this? What we talk about? I mean, that's unpredictable to say right now because you can't say that. I
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mean, we just seen Jake Paul call out Tank. So, we just seen some another SP, you
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know what I'm saying? Something different in the weight class that nobody would ever think happened. So, you know what I mean? We don't know what
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can happen after that. You know what I mean? Something special could happen after that. We never know.
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Are there boxers you think could within 10 years have the the brand equity of a
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of a Canelo and a Crawford? Yes. Yes. It's always going to be the next guy up. It's always going to be the next
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guy up. Remember, one fight. One fight. No. No. Remember, I'm saying that remember one fight could put you right back on top.
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Todd top. No. It takes one fight and a guy come out of nowhere and they go, "Woo, who is that?" and everybody
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watching them. Now you're the household name. You know what I'm saying? You come in there and beat a a fighter that you was not expected to beat, everybody
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gonna be watching you. So it takes one fight, that's it. Boxing is one punch. And and boxing has always boxing fills a
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vacuum because I'm old enough to remember when Oscar de la Hoya's coming to the end, people are like, you know
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what, what's the sport going to do without Oscar? No one knew that Floyd would become the guy who would carry the
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sport along with, you know, guys like Pacquiao. So, whatever it is, you can
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never know who it's going to be. I mean, next mega fight might be, you know, Shakur and Tank,
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you know, you know, might be a a Boots, you know, fight. You got some really exciting young guys coming up. So,
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whatever it is, boxing always survives and adjust. Might be Anthony Joshua and Shakur.
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And I'm glad that glad you brought that point up because I thought that weight classes stay there for a reason. You got
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these guys. Bud is having the biggest fight of his career. He got to move up two weight classes. That's why I couldn't understand why
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David Benvdas and Canelo. I thought it would have been a bigger fight than Bud and uh than um Bud and Canelo. What do
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you think about that? Well, I definitely think he should have fought David Benvitz, man. But a lot of times, you know, these guys uh camps or
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whatever feels that it's not a good matchup. It's not a upside. It's not
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worth the risk basically. High risk. High risk, you know. when um I don't know when you look at Canelo and the
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pride that he has, the Mexican pride and everything. I think he would prefer to lose to an
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American rather than lose to a Mexican. You know what I'm saying? That you know, now that's all my Mexican fans
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loving this guy. You know what I mean? So that's it probably was something like that.
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Oh, see that's the reason that fight didn't happen. I believe also that it got something to do with the culture, the culture of the, you know, of the
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nationality of of the Mexican people with each other. That's like kind of like a little rivalry and they don't
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they don't want to see that. You know what I mean? So, Steve, can you comment on that? Being Mexican. Yeah. I mean, look, you know, look, you
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can you you know, Canelo's got a lot of pride. You saw that the press conference yesterday, he didn't like how Max Skellman was talking about the sport of
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boxing, right? You know, he he he jumped in, right? He jumped in. He you know, Max Skellman was
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introducing you know, Dana White and he was saying, you know, Dana is going to come in
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boxing, save boxing, you know, the same thing people have been saying, you know, Canelo interrupted him. It wasn't even his time to talk. He's like, hey, boxing
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been big and it it continues to be big. Yeah. So, that that just shows a little bit of his mentality. You know, he's not so
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locked in that he doesn't perceive these little slights. Uhhuh. So, you know, pride. Now, what getting
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to the Benvita thing? I I don't I don't know. You know, I I I don't think he I know he's not scared of him. I you know,
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maybe there's something personal. I don't know if something was done behind the scenes because the Canelo Alers that I've seen over the last 15 years,
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he don't run from he doesn't run from nobody. Yeah. Uh man Z, thank you for your call, man. You a citizen.
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We got uh Carlos from Boston is on the line. He want to say what's up to you guys. Carlos, welcome to the show.
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What's up, Los? Hey, what's up everybody? How you feeling? Feeling good. Hey, what's up, man?
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Hey, I just wanted to thank um this is for Zab and you know, and the rest of
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you guys that's been out there. Um, ever since I was a kid, I've been watching you guys box and I want to give you guys
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your flowers and thank you for putting your blood, sweat, and tears out there and giving us the best boxing I've ever
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saw at my at my time. Also, um I also wanted to say uh I
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watched um Canelo and I watched Terence Crawford over the years also and um some things that we um haven't noticed I
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haven't heard you guys talk about yet is Canelo's head movement and his punches
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to the body. He doesn't throw to the body too often. He's sneaky with it and his head
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movement is is smooth. But I don't know what how can Tennis Crawford avoid all that because he's a good inside fighter
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also. What would you guys think about that? I think it's very risky for Canelo to uh
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risk reaching down to the body and trying to get butt with him being a smaller fighter with faster hands
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and he's a combination puncher. It's very risky. Yeah, but is Bud is a tough tough combination
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because on top of all his skill set, he's got a longer reach. You know, I think I think it's three
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inches. I think in 4, right? Yeah. So, that's going to be an issue. So, not not only not only does he have
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that physical advantage, but Crawford is very good about controlling the distance. So, you put those two things
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together, understanding how to come in and out with a long long reach, it's
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tough to get inside. And plus, like I like I said, I'm betting my money on anybody who
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mother used to go outside and pay kids money to beat her son up. I'm paying
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real cash money to beat my son and nobody got the money. I'm
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I'm betting on that guy. You betting on that guy? Hey, Carlos, thanks for your call, man. You're a super citizen. I'm gonna take one more
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call. AJ in Houston. We covering the whole country right now. AJ, what's up? Hey to the
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Hey Jay, you there? Oh yeah, I'm here. What's going on? Hey man, we got champs in the building, man. Don't keep us on hold. Go ahead.
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Oh yeah, you're right. That's my bad. Yeah, congratulations to all the champs and uh everything that they've done in their career. Just want to um give a
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shout out to uh Jab uh Zap Judah. Man, I I agree with the way you um your
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position on not willing to uh spar with Canelo because all it's going to do is
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sharpen him up. uh for lefties when he fights Crawford. So, heads up to you, man. I appreciate uh your stance on
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that. I don't think um um Boots I don't care for Boots doing that what he did.
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They can say it's professional. It's sharpening his game. No, that's kind of like uh dude, you trying to help
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somebody that's going to go against, you know, my boy. So, I don't want to make it a cultural thing, but uh it is.
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Apparently, it already is. Yeah, we already done that. Zap said the boxing culture is like a California
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prison three level four yard.
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Yo AJ, you're a super citizen, man. All right. And um man, I want to give it up for my guest, man. Uh and please,
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man, can you share with the audience what you got going on now and what's next for you? You want to start, Steve?
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Yeah, absolutely. Um you know, look, I'm continuing to work in boxing. had just uh became part owner of a Mexican soccer
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team other some other things got some business in golf. So little bit of
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everything but um you know with when we go to you two guys I I got one question I didn't squeeze in if you could address
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it real quick. You guys you're known for your ability to talk and big personalities. There's a
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lot of talk today about brand. How have you guys, you know, tell us what you're up to today, but also tell us how you've
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stayed relevant, you know, through all this time after the ring because both of you have used your personality to become
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more than boxers. Um, for myself, um, I just making that transition from athlete to
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businessman is is is challenging. You know what I'm saying? And you got to have your head on, right? For me, it
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took for me to keep working out and stay in shape because a strong body is a strong mind on that when I stopped working out and I
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was just trying to just hustle and do stuff and not get my workout in. I was I was bugging out. I was going to run. But
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when I started working out and then started tending to my business or get up, get a good run in, then come back and start and start and start up my
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business, I do I you know, I do well. Uh I work uh in the um enter in Adele
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entertainment space. We have a Adele entertainment line. It's called undisputed toys.com.
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Go to it and we have all kind of special toys, you know, for the latest took a turn. I know we have we have
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no merch undisputed Zaba condoms. I have my own condom work too. You know what I'm
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saying? So, I'm into that. I have a I have a I have my own cigar, you know, super stick. I have I have my own Super
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Stick cigar. Um, like I said, I just love to get into the business. I have a um the merch line, you I like to just
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stay in the business and just and just stay active, you know what I mean? One thing I couldn't do was just go home and just lay down and sit on the couch. Yeah. But Zav, you the other thing you
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do well is you be in the community, man. And you let the community, you know, they could see you. They could touch you. You know what I mean? They could be
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right there with you. And I and I remember going to some of the league fights that you were when you was putting together fights and stuff. And I
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I remember going looking around like, yo, I love how you was trans. Yeah, man. So, you you've done a lot. That to me, too, it's
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the things people see and some of the things they don't see. that solidifies your brand and I think that's why we're
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always happy to see you, bro. On top of everything else on top of the sex toys.
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Well, Antonio, what about you, brother? Well, with me, bro, when I retired, you know what I mean? It was kind of
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bittersweet. And uh I I just went on started enjoying my retirement. I traveled, you know, spent all the time with my
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grandkids, golf a lot. Yeah. And then, you know, with me just being a fan of boxing
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and listening to the commentary, bro, night after night after night, I just
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felt like something was missing. Yeah. So, I started my podcast, Tarvis Take. The most informative,
36:05
the most informative take in boxing. You just got to remember where you heard it first. You know what I'm saying? So, you
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know, when I got back on my podcast, you know, I started reaching out to people. People started feeling it and, you know,
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I got the responses back. But I wanted to get back ringside, bro. Yeah. That that's what I really wanted to do
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because I think I have, you know, I bring a type of unique insight to the game ringside.
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Yeah. You know what I mean? Calling it right when it's taking place in front of us. You know what I mean? So, I'm glad to
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have been working with the zone. I've had a chance to work with Turkey now TKO. So, that I'm right where I want
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to be, but I'm also managing and training fighters, bro. I say that all the time.
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You feel me? I got one special fighter. I believe he's special. Uh-huh. You know what I mean? What's his name? His name is Kenzel. Give him hell
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Williams, bro. St. Pete Tampa. We got another one, bro. We got him. Who gave him that name? You gave him
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that name. You know that word. Yeah. So, just giving back, man, and
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really into these kids, bro. That's what it's all about. I want to start, you know,
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putting on shows as well. Yeah. um just get in the game and continue to work and uh be an example
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for these young men. Yeah. I I man, give these guys a round of applause. Let me tell you something. All three of these individuals, man,
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Steve Espinosa and I go back to teenagers. Zab used to come up to Hot 97 when I was
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doing the morning show on Hot. Remember that Zap? Yeah. Yeah, man. Zap. Zap has always shown up,
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man. Antonio and I, we'll start communicating just on DMs and WhatsApp uh what you call WhatsApp. You know,
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he'll send me clips of check this out, check this out. I read everything. Thank you, bro. You know, and I hit them back and and
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you know, so we've all been able to maintain u these bonds and these friendships and that says a lot too um
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to your longevity as well, man. I want to say thank you guys for joining us today on this special broadcast coming
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out of Vegas, the Wind Hotel. Heather B. Wait, also I got my song out right now.
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Fight Night Fresh with me and Johnny Vogga. Hey, look that up. DB on all platform. Fight Night Fresh. I'm
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rapping. You heard? Hold up. Hold up. Hold up. Wait. How would you say this?
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Hey. Hey. DB Thong. We got condoms. We got toys. We got rap. Give me before you find this song, give
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me uh 10 crack commandments, the instrumental real quick. And then let's get Heather B. Heather B. First of all,
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my sister. Salute to Tracy G. my sister and my partner in all of this. Uh
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Heather B, my sister and partner partner in all of this has been working diligently on guacamole.
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Yes. Fresh guacamole. I have never tasted guacamole like this before.
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Right. And she just did this for you all. Dmoke was supposed to come and um
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he wasn't able to make it. Uh they were going to do a guac off. Uh you know Dm Smoke from Rhythm and Florida. you would have lost,
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man. D smoke, you didn't want none of this smoke, D smoke. Trust me, Heather, this is incredible,
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what is this? Thank you so much. Um, I I love guacamole. I love cooking, as most of you guys know. I'm just like a fun home
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cook. And normally when I do guac, I do a seafood guaca king crab. But I
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realized over the years that a lot of people allergic to shellfish, so I wanted to do did do something different
39:30
this time and did a um seasoned ground turkey. Yeah. and uh with the guac. So, thank
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y'all for all the left. Yes, a lot. I just made a fresh batch. Everybody who's here, everybody in the
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room, give yourselves a round of applause. Justin, thank you for your help this week. I appreciate you. James Tony came by as well. Salute to him.
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Hey, say hang out guys. I want I got I'd like to give props to everybody like uh Jeremiah um thank you for your team,
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your production team at Serious. Thank you so much. My nephew Maisin on engineering this whole show, the whole
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time we've been here. Thank you, nephew. I appreciate you. Uh, let them know how they can reach you. Mais official Mason
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on Instagram. That's M A Y Z I N. Isaiah, thank you. He's working the camera. So when you see yourself No, no.
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Turn the beat off. Turn the end beat off. Uh, he's working the camera. So when you see when you see yourself know
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that he was the one doing the direction, right, Isaiah, how can they reach you? I I see Isaiah on Instagram. IC period.
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Isaiah on IG. All right, DB, you got that beat. Yo, Zab,
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what you going to do with this, man? [Applause]
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Yeah, I said. Yeah, you put my voice on. I said I said
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[Music] like this way. Okay, it's six time all black everything. CCB the mob address me
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as president. Black shades at the hall. I'm a resident. My black queen present. We looking like black excellence. Every
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fight night I gave her chills. I shed blood in that ring making me mills. I had Brooklyn in the crowd running the
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drills. You got to be the champ to be the champ. And still
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bully southpaw outlaw crown on a hoodie. Johnny had a couple hundred lb. Bought a
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tummy doubled up big calling rounds like a bookie. What's the business? Sky's the
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limit. I knocked out more [Â __Â ] outside the ring than in it. From you understand my story. I'm from
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Brooklyn. All call outs is mandatory. Fight night first, not a fight night miss. Anything can happen on a night
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like this. Only super ever had a right like this. And that left still leaning like a little past six. Hey,
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[Music] spot.
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That's how you end the show right there, man. Yo, that was nice.
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