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CHAPTERS:
01:59 - Benny and 38 Spesh Collaboration
04:07 - Benny's Major Label Experience
05:31 - Benny The Butcher Wins Emmy
06:34 - Story Behind the "Ants Race"
18:13 - How To Watch "Stabbed & Shot 2" Documentary
19:37 - Making of "Stabbed & Shot 2"
20:07 - Where to Find "Stabbed & Shot 2"
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ladies and gentlemen
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yeah wow stabbing shot
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too damn it I had a whole interview
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prepared for these dudes
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man but I'm just going to make it about
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myself right now real quick talk your
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[ __ ] s there's reasons why I do this man
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surely I've been truly blessed I've seen
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many heights I've been to the mountain
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top of this thing right um
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pause I don't want to do that too old
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man spash I'm too old for pauses um but
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there's certain moments that remind me
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of what I love about what we do what I
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love about the culture you know mine is
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the politics the politrix all the junk
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you seeing in the News That's related or
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adjacent to the culture there's always
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stuff at the nucleus that remains pure I
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try my best to remain that way and not
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be distracted no matter how much success
0:59
I've had UPS Downs so on and so forth
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and when I see people who' been in the
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business for years been doing this for
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years they did it when they didn't have
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the spotlight and remained hungry they
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didn't get frustrated they did it when
1:13
nobody streamed or bought their music
1:16
and and they didn't get frustrated they
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did it because they love to do this [ __ ]
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right and they do it continuously they
1:22
done made money these dudes are paid
1:24
they probably got accounts that got
1:26
family members good even if they won't
1:28
be with us they done did they thing but
1:31
when you can sit down as an artist with
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this kind of um notoriety and the kind
1:35
of success that these two have and put
1:37
together album like stab and shot I got
1:40
to celebrate that man I got to celebrate
1:43
that for the culture for who they are
1:45
they took slums and made it into Rich
1:47
ghetto streets right they've inspired
1:50
people they say it in their music
1:52
they'll tell you I'mma quote lyrics I
1:53
want to welcome them back they called us
1:55
to say we come in here to rip down the
1:57
mics give it up for bny the butcher
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Butch coming and 38 SP New York's
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finest New York's finest [ __ ] right now
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who I rapping them New York's finest
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nobody yeah yeah stabbed and shot who
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really the King right o that's [ __ ]
2:17
right there who really the king who
2:19
really the king that's a good question
2:20
that's a good question that's a fact who
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really the King right who really the
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king in New York right that's the
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question that's the question question
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I'mma say I'mma say I'mma answer it
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right I mean the crown the crown belongs
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Upstate you feel what I'm saying and
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it's and that's why we did the song like
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that cuz it's more than one king but man
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the crown is Upstate right now we'll be
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talking hip hop and all this [ __ ] go and
2:44
how it go right now the crown is no
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longer in Manhattan New it's no longer
2:48
in New York City not I love New York
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City man I you know what I mean I'm a
2:52
part of this [ __ ] but fars we talking
2:53
about bars and all of that it's Upstate
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definitely Upstate is the king have
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spoken that it's up St heav is the
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head this album um I remember the first
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album and um people been asking for when
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are you going to continue with this
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right and then the both of you have
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continued to just go on and do your own
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solo projects and lay your own footwork
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why now what made y'all do this now espe
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man it just it just it just was the time
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it was right you know what I'm saying
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and uh it just felt right we was at a
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point where we was back hungry and felt
3:32
like we had something to prove again you
3:34
know what I'm saying so what do y'all
3:36
have to prove and to who hey man you
3:39
know like I said we don't got nothing to
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prove it's already been proven when your
3:43
nephew get a little stronger and he
3:44
comeing the yard and he think he can
3:45
beat you on ball yeah yeah that's what
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this you know what I mean you back up
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you know what I mean can't beat me
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that's it it's about a display a
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consistency you know a lot of our
3:54
favorite rappers ain't been nice for
3:56
this long and we no seriously if you
3:59
look at the time when they was putting
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out their best work and then how long
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that run lasted we put our first joint
4:04
together six years ago wow it's six
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years later and we on an incline yall
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nicer bleed that I like that man U give
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him a round of applause come on I'm
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curious you know Benny you had to
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navigate through the um the major label
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system Death Jam and we seeing all of
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these changes happen in the business we
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seeing all of these layoffs people
4:26
getting fired we seeing companies merg
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together you know uh espe you always
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been independent but how have you
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navigated with that Benny how has that
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impacted you or the way you think about
4:36
releasing music even um what it do show
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me is that you know my my my original
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formula is the best formula you feel
4:45
what I'm saying that's one thing that it
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showed me and it's like you know I I
4:50
work way better independent and I love I
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love dep jam and I love the uh major
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label system but you know that was that
4:56
was about like a Victory lap I was doing
4:58
that for the city and I was just doing
4:59
that you know what I'm saying for the
5:01
money and I wanted I wanted the money
5:04
they go speak your truth but what what I
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learned you know I learned the lesson
5:07
from that you know what I'm saying is
5:08
that is that my original formula is the
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best formula you feel what I'm saying
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and and nobody nobody could I always use
5:15
analogies when I speak man it's just
5:16
like nobody fried this chicken how we
5:18
fried this chicken you know what I'm
5:20
saying even though they they got people
5:21
waiting outside they they Shop people
5:23
love they [ __ ] but nobody fried his
5:25
chicken the way we do it you know what
5:26
I'm saying they don't know how to they
5:27
might not know how to handle this mhm so
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you know what I mean I like that Benny
5:31
The Butcher man let me say something
5:32
about Benny The
5:34
Butcher did you ever in your wildest
5:38
imagination think that you would win an
5:40
Emmy Award I never I ain't think that I
5:44
ain't think that you know what I'm
5:44
saying shout out to Deon do shout out to
5:46
K sweets and the whole film staff with
5:49
the Buffalo Bills but I ain't think that
5:51
man congratulations a blessing that's a
5:53
bless he won a Emmy Award Mike Hughes
5:55
for a sports interview that he did beat
5:57
out people like Derek Jeter all right he
6:00
brought um the emies to the hood of
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Rochester wasn't that where was Buffalo
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no no I did take when I wanted I did
6:06
take it to Rochester though you took it
6:07
to Rochester right what made you do that
6:10
I wanted to show everybody uhuh we got a
6:12
Emmy like I you see you notice I say we
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you feel what I'm saying like we got a
6:15
Emy I wanted people to see that I wanted
6:17
people to see me holding that in their
6:19
hand I never held one in my hand let
6:20
alone the hood hold that see how that
6:22
feel like you can get one too if I can
6:24
get one of these [ __ ] yo Benny
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The Butcher got a [ __ ] Emy
6:27
award man hipop hiop
6:33
remember the first time this dude came
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in the studio right right right [ __ ] all
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right um I play center stage I'm it's a
6:41
couple things I got to ask before we get
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into this thing here Center Stage spe
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you say this lyric I took my money and
6:48
stacked up Grands don't ask me what's my
6:51
backup plan [ __ ] I can't say all I know
6:54
is that I can't play and I don't need a
6:56
plan B to take away energy from my plan
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a mhm when you started rap um that was
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all you thought about that was your
7:04
tunnel vision correct definitely that
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was it right you go on to say I slashed
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work I stashed work at my aunt's aunt's
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Place both of my aunt's rush to find
7:16
where I hit it now that that's an ants
7:19
race did your aunt ever find a stash
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definitely they found a stash what's the
7:24
story behind that so you really stash
7:26
your [ __ ] yeah you know like that that
7:28
that a comment you know like you know
7:30
you come up in environment where
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everybody in the family is you know have
7:34
drug problems you know it becomes a
7:36
thing you wake up I remember waking up
7:38
uncles trying to go in my pockets and
7:40
[ __ ] you know aunts and [ __ ] plotting on
7:42
you cuz you a kid with the drugs you
7:44
know what I'm saying when you 11 years
7:46
old and you got something that's
7:47
controlling their addiction you know you
7:49
know the family members you the easy
7:50
target you're the first one they coming
7:52
for so you know you know that that
7:54
that's that that's the harsh reality of
7:55
growing up in them drug environments you
7:57
know what I'm saying yeah yeah man how
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much they get uh not much okay not much
8:03
right okay all right this a real lyrical
8:05
album I'm I'm forgive me for my pacing
8:07
there one of two things I want to ask
8:09
him about before we get to These Bars
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one of my favorite rhymes on the whole
8:13
album Benny there's a song called bricks
8:15
special and I I don't know if I heard
8:18
this right or wrong man the game crowded
8:21
it don't have no space cuz half the
8:23
state switched their hustle up soon as
8:26
they saw was rap on
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sway is that what that says exactly what
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say I made
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it made
8:36
it [ __ ] it's your Emy
8:41
now fact no but but talk about because
8:44
that's representation of motivation
8:46
uhhuh they saw you on this platform
8:48
right what happened what what did you
8:50
notice man I'm I'm not going to lie like
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uh every since I sat in this room across
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from you and did that Five Minute
8:56
Freestyle you know what I'm saying my
8:58
career been going up mhm you know what
8:59
I'm saying and and you know a lot of
9:02
people a lot of people only saw that
9:04
visually so they think they like damn
9:07
you know this this kid changed his life
9:08
going up there and going crazy so you
9:10
know a lot of dudes was was a lot of
9:13
dope boys didn't want to hustle no more
9:15
they wanted to rap a lot of [ __ ] who
9:17
was making trap songs they wanted to can
9:19
that and get back rapping over boom bats
9:21
so you know what I'm saying you know I
9:23
seen that happen you know what I'm
9:24
saying especially uh up state where I'm
9:26
from you know what I'm saying that was a
9:27
big influence when people seeing that
9:29
wow what what when you came up here spe
9:31
came up here and did something special
9:33
you know that's a fact right you got a
9:35
good reaction too I got a great reaction
9:37
man you know that that was it that I you
9:39
know I really showed and proved and a
9:41
lot of people that wasn't aware of what
9:42
I could do was fully aware after that
9:45
swayed freestyle there you go man I love
9:47
it man I'm making sure I'm putting my
9:48
name in all y'all Legacy I want to be
9:51
attached to this all right Anthony and
9:53
yonas you got a question real quick go
9:55
for it what's up an yeah what's up guys
9:58
you got hear me yeah go for yes
10:01
sir all right what's up Benny I wanted
10:03
to ask you now that you've had this
10:05
career with success and growth I wanted
10:07
to ask what was one thing you would tell
10:09
your younger self before you had made it
10:11
to all this man I would tell my young
10:13
stelf self to uh stay out the way you
10:15
know what I'm saying uh preserve
10:16
yourself uh and never give up you know
10:18
what I'm saying that's that's the only
10:20
that's one of the main reasons I'm here
10:21
about from preserving myself I've been
10:23
had the talent you know what I'm saying
10:24
and I've been had to hustle but it
10:25
wasn't time so I just had to I just had
10:27
to keep my head above water and survive
10:29
until my number was called you know what
10:30
I'm saying a lot of people don't make it
10:32
to that point you know what I'm saying
10:33
they they they crash and burn before
10:35
they get the opportunity so I would tell
10:37
myself you know preserve yourself stay
10:38
out the way you don't got to be hanging
10:40
in the streets and hanging in the hood
10:41
and and doing things to try to prove
10:43
yourself stay out the way till they call
10:44
your number to your opportunity come it
10:46
is a you got the game right there you
10:48
super citizen man let me move my chair
10:49
out the way for this right now man [ __ ]
10:52
this man it's time too much talking
10:54
Benny prise I came to rap I tell man y
10:57
can get out you ain't got to stand sit
10:58
down you want to Y know what it is
11:03
[ __ ] time take my shirt take my jacket
11:07
off of this one right here I've seen a
11:08
lot of MC's in my life I know you did I
11:12
seen the best of the best before they
11:14
was considered the best before anybody
11:15
saw him that's what I like about y the
11:18
same way when Nas used to come up before
11:21
he became who he is the same way Chino
11:23
Excel used to come up before he became
11:25
he who he became the same way Big Pun
11:28
used to come up before he became who he
11:30
became so did 38 spe so did Benny The
11:33
Butcher this ain't an
11:35
audition this ain't even a contest this
11:38
is an
11:39
exhibition citizens of two Elite MC's
11:43
you would be blessed to make it to this
11:45
level yes of lyricism this ain't
11:48
something somebody could say I want to
11:50
do and turn around in a weekend and get
11:51
it done this is years this is years this
11:55
is years of dedication and commitment
11:58
this is years of skills set and like spe
12:00
said they only incline they don't
12:03
decline the trajectory is Rec the
12:06
trajectory is impeccable when you look
12:08
at what they done from the beginning to
12:10
now citizens these ain't even hyenas we
12:13
got four main Lions up in here we got
12:17
four main Lions up in here four main
12:21
Lions up in here representing Upstate
12:24
New York ladies and gentlemen welcome to
12:26
the Valley of the hyena
12:29
let's get it be drop a beat on
12:32
them oh [ __ ] wow yeah s in the morning
12:36
he turn it up loud Turn It Up loud on my
12:39
head yeah turn it up loud for my boy man
12:41
let me get some volume too my right
12:43
there
12:44
okay yes sir stabbed and shot to [ __ ]
12:47
stabbed and shot to is out right now [ __ ]
12:49
my brother [ __ ] y know how we rock we
12:52
up [ __ ] we up you know what I'm saying
12:54
listen man listen listen Upstate New
12:56
York we in the building man stand the
12:58
[ __ ] up man 716 585 [ __ ] my [ __ ] [ __ ] we
13:02
want show you [ __ ] who the best [ __ ]
13:04
let's talk to him hey y hey y' one car
13:08
two BR bringing the bricks back three
13:10
traps about 4 in the morning they Blitz
13:12
that now off every joint I make five or
13:15
six Stacks he lift weight and snitch
13:17
that gu's a gym rack seven chains eight
13:20
watches feel like my wrist snap and nine
13:23
out of 10 rappers get [ __ ] slapped uh
13:25
they want our Crown so we basally hold
13:27
off yeah this King [ __ ] they got to pay
13:30
me in gold bars These Bars so sacred you
13:32
got to quote in the chapel and it's dope
13:34
won't burn unless it's roll to Tobacco
13:37
my safe space a few hundred acres on in
13:39
the castle [ __ ] I fed bit my hand like
13:41
the logo from Apple Butch on high alert
13:44
when I'm sleep especially cuz the only
13:46
way I can protect my peace is if my
13:48
peace protect me a white girl on my lap
13:51
then it won't be a Becky I took a key
13:53
and strength hey look girl or boy no
13:56
matter what you got a bird of get rid of
13:58
it a 20 run is unheard of that 200 cash
14:01
I had stashed in asserter you sell it
14:04
bag and kill a fiend that's first degree
14:05
murder I remember it was 20 on the truck
14:08
when y'all was one brick status I re up
14:10
with everything that's how funds get
14:12
balanced but y know once it's cracking
14:14
and come with static it's so hot I can't
14:17
talk it's like the one chip challenge
14:19
these big jewels on my neck that's about
14:21
100 and change but y'all the tip to make
14:23
a couple hund and change this the life
14:25
of a street Runner doubling cane
14:27
bouncing from two or three Bots and not
14:29
one in your name y'all got split
14:31
personalities from me yall hide that no
14:35
PS but the streets are contact I'm
14:37
quarterback one [ __ ] and ain't in the
14:39
league but my new deal look like a
14:41
Seahawks
14:43
contract I invest you know I'm still a
14:46
connect without cash and I'm feeling
14:48
depressed I buy a house while I still in
14:50
distress renovated not an accent wall
14:53
match the ceing the steps criminal
14:55
background drug Ding and theft hard to
14:58
make Millions without dealing regret huh
15:01
a whole lot dealing with spe write a
15:03
check you can't cash hell going to be
15:05
your billing address huh to beat my
15:08
price they all be trying corny guys know
15:11
I provide a ticket that be hard to find
15:13
I could sell this for 45 but I'mma meet
15:16
you at 2300 like it's Army time huh I
15:20
had to get more in control huh [ __ ] I
15:23
had to get more on the road back then
15:26
you know I had affordable goals and 04 I
15:28
used to travel with a portable stove I
15:31
had to put my old ho in the road she was
15:33
40 years old first time she transported
15:36
a load I'm the reason your daughter
15:38
chose cocaine but don't blame me cuz she
15:41
got her father's nose huh was on the
15:44
road for five weeks my license bad I
15:46
don't drive I pay the passenger side
15:48
sleep huh five freaks so many hoes tried
15:52
to hop in the rod I had to assign
15:55
seats I don't feed tramps if I said
15:59
to a house then it was weed plants you
16:01
know me I feeds giving you a brick is
16:05
how I extend the Olive Tree Ranch I show
16:08
you how to get free bands yeah this
16:10
worth step on but it'll still make a
16:12
them dance a rich [ __ ] and cheek pants
16:16
but the way I whoop your ass you think I
16:18
had three hands trust yeah let's go
16:22
[ __ ] who
16:24
the yeah you know what I'm
16:27
saying we had we had to get our we had
16:29
to get our we had to get our [ __ ] he
16:32
we put that together on the way here oh
16:34
I already know already know
16:37
something n man get out a round of
16:39
applause man get out a round of
16:42
applause I can't wait I can't wait to
16:44
watch that one man turn my mic up a
16:46
little I can't wait to watch that we
16:47
going to make it clean for you too oh we
16:49
know that you know what that is man
16:52
y'all are amazing bro thank you bro n
16:54
seriously man all kid no [ __ ] be
16:57
happy no titles none of that [ __ ]
16:59
just on the strength of just loving this
17:01
[ __ ] man yall amazing man yall amazing
17:05
and the thing about it Benny never
17:07
changed never bro I can't tell you how
17:09
many people that came up in here and did
17:12
that you know one got a 100 G's and then
17:14
they change right% you know I've seen it
17:18
at Le with us you ain't never changed
17:20
and I appreciate that I might even said
17:22
back then don't forget to come back mhm
17:25
Vinnie the butcher always comes back
17:29
West always come back always oh y yo I
17:33
just think it's y' area you know I think
17:35
it's that part of the state that people
17:37
move a little little different I think
17:40
so too I think so too got a lot to do
17:41
with that too yeah and I and I'm I'm not
17:43
that privy to it you know um I I came
17:46
here 24 years ago to move to New York
17:48
but I I hardly went to Buffalo in that
17:51
area people came down here so I'm
17:53
learning a lot speci calls man this dude
17:55
this dude is so [ __ ] hungry he don't
17:57
let us sleep you know what I mean and
18:00
don't ever stop that I love that with
18:02
tort tell me you hit him too I say yo
18:05
M I love that you know and and it shows
18:09
in which I did right here this is upper
18:11
echelon rap yes sir Advance stabbed and
18:15
shot too [ __ ] man is it man and they got
18:17
the documentary too yeah the do we got
18:19
the doc Y how we put the uh album
18:21
together you know what I'm saying to
18:23
give a closer look how how people able
18:24
to get that dock Hey listen y'all can
18:26
it's only one way y'all can watch the
18:27
doc and that we actually premiering it
18:29
tomorrow online we having an online
18:31
event that me and by hosting okay and
18:33
it's only one way y'all can watch the
18:34
doc and the way y'all could do that is
18:36
by going to get on down.com and buying
18:38
the stabbing shot two vinyl or the
18:40
stabbing Shot 2 CD once you buy the
18:43
vinyl you going to get an email with an
18:44
invitation link of the doc or how you
18:46
can watch it now understand this doc got
18:48
real exclusive footage in there got a
18:50
footage of showing us how we craft these
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records also got old school footage of
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when we was young in a park freestyling
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some of this footage we might not Never
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released we don't got no planned date on
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when we going to provide this to the
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public so it's only one way to watch
19:03
this and it's a real it's a real it's a
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real like inside look you know what I'm
19:08
saying it's not no [ __ ] that we put
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together cuz we never done this before
19:10
this man me and this man work on a whole
19:12
bunch of [ __ ] we never put the camera in
19:13
the room like that right and decided to
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give it away to the people we never done
19:17
that before and that that old footage
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from the park like I'm halfway
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embarrassed to that why because the way
19:22
you look no I was I was I was on my [ __ ]
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at that time but it's just like you know
19:25
what I'm saying it's just I learned new
19:27
moves since then yeah you know what I'm
19:29
saying that is definitely for what it
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was and that was something special I
19:32
remember that was a cipher that he put
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together in Rochester so it was
19:35
something special was a lot of MC's that
19:36
day so that was that was dope oh man
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this is amazing man even when you listen
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to the album there's a lot of Ino Clips
19:42
where I hear y'all talking in the way of
19:44
it I don't know if somebody that I don't
19:45
know what that's from an interview or
19:47
something that's actually from the
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documentary that's from the document so
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when y'all hear us talking that's
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actually from the documentary I like
19:53
that bro I heard that throughout the
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album I was like yeah this is conceptual
19:57
this is just y'all didn't quilt together
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patches you know cohesive right man hey
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get the project y'all get yourself
20:05
something to listen to stabbed and shot
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too go get that get get the once again
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give out to ER the website they can get
20:12
the uh doc on listen get on down.com go
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purchase the stabing shot to vinyl or
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the CD and you'll be able to watch it
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also we got a popup shop today at uh
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where's it at Yan kicks yan yan kicks
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y'all make sure y'all pull up what time
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is it on 4 to 6 you know we going to
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have some uh Broadway the address is
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66 yeah Soho Yankee kicks look it up
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kick look it up hey make sure y'all pull
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up hat saying that address got some excl
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yeah I hate saying I a want to say the
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address hey yo but put make sure y'all
20:45
pull up we got some exclusive
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merchandise that y'all only be able to
20:48
get from us directly you know what I'm
20:50
say B that it's a nice jacket bro thank
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you man thank you my brother Jack is
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nice thank you you can't wear it again
20:57
you know that I
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know these Buffalo dudes be coming down
21:05
with the illest jackets I'm always
21:07
trying to get y'all jackets man but I
21:09
never get one all right uh spe love you
21:12
brother yo love you man apprciate y love
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s appreciate you gang appreciate the
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whole family I appreciate y'all coming
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home man we love this bro we don't do it
21:22
for viral moments we don't real [ __ ] we
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do it for real moments that happen to go
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viral definitely you feel me so man we
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here bro we here we
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here go get get
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