iPhone duo reactions! Top tech editors recap Apple’s iPhone 18 event

Welcome back to All Things Mobile's coverage of the Apple iPhone 18 and Duo event

I'm I as Actors PCMag. This is Scott Stein from CNET. Joining us is Timothy Beckworth

Timothy, what did you think of what we saw? I mean, it was really exciting. I don't know that there were as many surprises in the Surprise and Shine event

but everything we saw looked really interesting. I mean, the iPhone Duo obviously is going to grab the most headlines

but tons of new AI features, tons of new, you know, small hardware upgrades, tons of new Apple intelligence and Siri stuff

So there's going to be a lot for Apple fans to dig into. I will say it wasn't a huge break in departure from past keynotes

Ternus is definitely having like kind of continuity be the theme of his first keynote

But it's really exciting and I can't wait to get hands on some of these devices and see what they're like in real life

We've also got Bridget Carey live at the event right now. She's smiling probably because of the duo or maybe not

Bridget, how is it over there in the demo zone? Wow, this is such a heavy packed event of information

I am here at the Steve Jobs Theater. behind me. People are getting their first hands on time with the duo and all the things announced

Are you guys overwhelmed? There's a lot of stuff going on with changes to the watch

and the duo. And I'm impressed at how much, I guess, emphasis they would say that they put on

all the details of these new products. Now, I'm going to talk to you while I'm walking

and I'm going to try to see if I can get up to this phone in person. So go ahead and ask me

some questions while I walk. Yeah, see if you can find the Duo. Okay, so yeah, when you get the iPhone Duo

see if it's got MagSafe on it because we didn't hear anything about that. And we did see the pricing

for the two terabyte one. It's $3,199. It's cheaper than a Vision Pro

Oh, dear gosh. Okay, so we're getting closer and closer to the iPhone

I'm getting pros here. I got pros here. Those are the pros

And the new color. Yeah. It's definitely a dark burgundy. Every year you need a new color, guys

You know how it goes. You know how it goes. You don't see the duo yet

I'm hunting. I'm hunting. But when I see it, I got to go because I got to get footage too

There's so much to do. Look for where there's the most people. Look for the biggest crowd

Yeah. Okay, good luck out there. This is my first time here in person

And I knew it was going to be wacky. and exciting, but I'm also living for this moment

Oh, I found it. Oh, I found it. Okay, here we go. It's busy in there, Debra

It's actually a little smaller than I thought. Hold on. Okay. The crease

We've got to talk about this crease. I don't know if you can see it. Can you see it? It is on a stand, so it's not exactly something I can touch right now

but no crease. I cannot see any crease. Yeah, Apple talked about a nanotexture on there, but it's reflections, which I think is helping the crease

Yeah, I think it is. And that's how you get on the higher end iPads or Macs

It's crazy. Hold on. We'll get a better shot. What other questions you guys have? I'm curious about that MagSafe also. Here we go. We're seeing it folded

There it is. Okay, there it is. That's the iPhone Duo, open with a 7.6-inch screen

Apple says they've redesigned iOS. It's running iOS. It's running iOS, not iPadOS

They said inspired by iPad. So there you go. It's the, like an iPad, it's like iPads being inspired by Macs

You have these in-between things. I like the opening animations a lot

Can you see the under-screen camera? Is that visible on the screen

No, it's not. I don't see it. Yeah, I don't see it

And I mean, I'm looking up really close here. This thing looks kind of cute too

It has a cuteness of a size format. Like it's not overwhelming like others

Like the Pro Max. It's hard to tell when you watch that. Yeah, it's hard. I've been living a Pro Max life for a while

So this definitely has a little bit of more demure about it

iPhone Air. It's so thin. I think that's what it is. What happened to iPhone Air? It is. I mean, that is your iPhone Air. It's airy tint

Yeah. Well, I'm going to see if we can get our hands on it at another table

Yep. I think this is it. We're able to get our hands on it. All right. So I'm going to get back to you guys

Because now I have to kind of make my way through it. Let you know what it's like. Yeah. I'm going to dive in

But right now I can tell you, I don't see that crease. I don't see that selfie cam. It's looking pretty sharp

and like smaller than you thought. And I don't see... Sorry, it's hard to tell on this little camera

but I'm going to let you guys go, shot it up. But I can tell you from what I'm eyeballing

I'm not seeing pieces. Good luck out there. Yeah, good luck. Try to feel the crease

I want to know more about this. Good luck getting to the hands-on zone for the duo

That's the holy grail. It's always like a bit like a farmer's market out there

If farmer's market just had lots of Apple products. Like it's pretty..

I don't know. I just went to Borough Market in London. I did not do anything like that

So I'm going to assume it's nice. It's like a very busy farmer. It's like the busiest farmer's market

It's a strange ogy. It's super crowded. They always have those ones on display on the pedestals, plus the hands-on zones where they usually try to walk you through it a little bit

Yeah, what surprised me about this event? I mean, not a lot because we did hear about a lot of this stuff

A little surprising that they did not say anything more about iPad to this except for inspired by iPad

Like they really redesigned. It's a very different flow of interactions and graphic effects than the iPad

It seems like its own thing on a number of levels. And that wild opening graphic animation they added, which reminded me of like Vision Pro stuff

Like it feels very spatial. It looks like the thing is shifting into the background when you open it

The docks on the side, no built-in pencil. No, it supports pencil, but there is no pencil for this

It's BYO pencil. Take it out of your bag. Pencil if you got one

But then the other thing is that I found, the report suggested this

but the whole audio intelligence and recap thing on Apple Watch is a big, weird, interesting zone

Not only does it get into the question of do you trust that

Is it safe to use? Is it recording conversations? But they're going into the same territory that I've already been looking at on a lot of AI wearables, on smart glasses

That is a preview of what they're going to start dipping into on the smart glasses front. This event is just like soaked Scott mind for all of the future stuff Timothy what did you think coming away from this event Are you floored by the duo are you excited about the watch uh apple actually spent time talking about specs which is well kind of

unusual they don't really go into they always talk about the chip but they're talking about how

much faster it is compared to the previous generations timothy what did you what's your

takeaway yeah i'm more excited for the iphone duo than i thought i would be it does look really slick

you know based in the videos and those short little previews Bridget gave us I will say one

thing that really interested me is how Apple is positioning itself as sort of an AI device

and Scott alluded to this you know there's all these new AI wearables that will record

conversations or take notes for you like granola or you know the wearables and Apple's kind of

saying you don't need any of that stuff you can do it all on your iPhone or on your Apple watch

you know they did the same thing with like aura and whoop with their readiness score you know you

don't need a screen free wearable. We've got everything you need. We have all the AI features

You can just do it right on your Apple devices. So for a company that has been kind of playing

major catch up in the AI race for a couple of years, it was really interesting to see how

they're kind of promoting themselves as like an AI hub. So that was interesting to me. I felt like

that was a common thread throughout pretty much all of the presentations. And yeah, the recording

live rewind feature was definitely controversial in the Mashable group chat. I know those kind

of tools are really popular in Silicon Valley right now, but yeah, obviously some privacy

implications. Yeah. I want to bring it back to the duo because I've been using a folding device

as my main phone for the past three years. And Apple started talking about all the issues people

have with their phones and what they wanted to do differently. And I will say they did address a lot

of the problems. They talked about this crease that will be harder to see. There's a nanotexture

on the display. Now, if you use one of these folding devices, when you end up seeing the crease

when it reflects, see that? You can see it. You remove the reflection and you're not going to see

that. Apple's done a really interesting idea with that because they charge extra for the nanotexture

on MacBook Pros, charge extra on the iPad Pros, but this is going to be standard, it looks like

with the iPhone Duo. That's a huge thing. Also, strangely, the front of the iPhone Duo goes all

the way up to the corner. It's an asymmetrical screen. It looks like a D versus the regular

bounded rectangle. So I'm kind of curious about that. And also that display, right? You open it

up and you have basically your front screen continuing. This bothered me because it looks

like you only get one layout because you've got your front screen and your inner screen

but I like having two different layouts because you use them very differently

I don't know if Apple's going to have issues with that, but it's definitely a polished looking product for a first generation device

This is Celso's feed. This is Celso's feed from the demo room

What you're watching right now is a live feed from the demo room. The Apple

A full Domatic stand. They have it there opening and closing for you to take a look at how the crease works

I mean, yeah, having that Nano as the standard, look, they're not into throwing expensive features on a phone standard just for fun

They could have upcharged, but clearly there's a reason why they're putting it out. So I agree

I think it's to help with that matter because otherwise you just have it as an upcharge to it

We'll stop with the cameras, okay? Because this is a very expensive product

Timothy, we got two cameras, 48 megapixel fusion cameras. They're claiming a 2X optical quality telephoto

I always get weirded out by optical quality versus optical. So you got the two cameras

You have the ability to take selfies with the back camera, you know, like you could do with all the other devices

What did you think about that and the under display camera on the inside of the device

Something that Samsung used to have, Google's never had, but Apple will have from the start

I was pleasantly surprised with the camera array they have on this, and I love the underscreen camera. Also, I've been testing the Samsung foldables, and the selfie camera on it is worthless. Like, I wish it wasn't even there. It just takes up space on the display. It's absolutely garbage quality. You know, I just use the back cameras anyway, so the prospect of a better selfie camera that doesn't take up screen space is very exciting to me. It seems like a very Apple thing to do

So I'm pleasantly surprised. Like I said, the 48 megapixel, that seems like it'll be pretty decent

The trade-off with a lot of foldables has been like, it's a really cool device, really cool display, but the cameras aren't very good

Or that's been the case with at least some of Samsung's foldables. So not as many sacrifices as I was expecting, to be honest

So good on Apple. Yeah, they've put in the A20 Pro processor, which is also in the new iPhone Pro 18 and Pro Max, which nobody's going to be talking about because of this

And they keep showing us this thing folding, the Duo opening and closing. A lot of people with the Fold 8 have been complaining that, yeah, it looks really flat when you first get it

But after a couple of weeks, it starts looking like, oh, there's that crease again. Apple directly talked about that in this case

This thing will look flat for as long as it can because they're going to have that nanotexture

they've got it reinforced, they claim that they have extra glass behind the OLEDs

to keep it flat. There's a lot of talk about structural stability. They didn't talk about guarantees of durability

No. It was IP68. Yes, IP68, but they didn't talk about which means it's dustproof and waterproof

virtually. Yeah. But they did put a lot into that. I'm also really curious about

the layout. I mean, I'm curious what your thoughts about it are too. They

changed a lot of the layouts. They gave a lot of thought into that. This is like the biggest kind of

interface layout change since the iPhone 10 and more so because you're putting a lot of the menus

on the side now. And I'm curious about your thoughts about that. I'm curious ergonomically

if this is going to be good, if it's going to throw people. And it's different than the iPad

too. It's a different beast from all of them. Do you think people who are used to the iPad are going to have a shorter learning curve

There are some key differences for sure. Diaz's point, on the iPad OS, you can have

like multiple essentially desktops, I believe. So I'm assuming that will also be the case here

but it'll be interesting to actually test that out. But there will definitely be a learning curve

because it's not just a whole new layout, it's also the introduction of Siri

And I think people are going to be learning how to use that for the first time

There's the brand new app and all the different ways it's built into the dynamic island

and the functionality of the phone. So sort of a double learning curve for the average Apple customer, I think

yeah yeah i don't think it's at all the same as the ipad yeah i agree it's it's basically it is

its own thing and i wonder about the thumb navigation of that stuff and how apps will

adapt to it or you know will it be automatic there you can kind of see the crease here i'm

sorry to interrupt you can kind of see where the blue line in the center you do and it's flexing

right now so sorry you were saying i just want to make sure that people who just go crazy over

this stuff like oh it's amazing it's like well let's see how it does because this is not the

first foldable ever Samsung been doing it for generations we got this thing I very curious about that the new interface like you talking about because it does it does incentivize using it with one hand Use it with the right hand use it this way and make sure you can hold on to something It giving you a place to put your hand which

when you're holding a foldable, usually your hands are on the outside. But with this, with

the dock on the right, you can basically have your thumb on it, kind of like the Kindle we were talking about earlier

It is. It's kind of an asymmetric design. It's asymmetric. It reminds me of Kindle Oasis or something. It's not exactly like that

But it's, yeah, you had, like you mentioned, the point and the curve and the screen design

and the way apps are going to be sort of showing one thing here and another bit on the side

And again, I'm also curious about how many layouts will be possible

We did see a bunch of them shown here. I'm curious how flexible that is

Have we seen all of the layout tricks? Are we, you know, compared to over the years with the iPad, I've looked at it a lot

We've seen a lot of different types of splits and orientations with that

It doesn't look like that's on the table here. And it's definitely not multi-windowing as far as I can see, other than the few that they've showed

But I'm super curious about how flexible that is. Yeah, I think Apple went small on the idea of iOS with this

But I also think that's a learning curve thing. They do not want people to get used to it

They don't want people to get lost. They want to go very slowly. Apple's got a history of this

They very slowly introduce new kinds of interfaces, new features. iPad, we've seen that grow and grow and grow

iPhone as well. I'm assuming we're going to get a lot of this in the second and third generations, but for first swing, they really went big

And I'm excited about this because I want to try this out. Obviously, I'm going to talk about the Apple Pencil because I'm excited about that

This is a Samsung stylus, and this is a Pixel. They're about the same size, okay

I want to be able to write on both screens. And Apple said you'll be able to write on both screens, although somebody that was live at the show was saying it's the USB-C Pencil only

which I hope is not true because also that wouldn't make sense because it would charge

It would make sense because otherwise how do you charge it? It gets into that whole thing

I mean, this is like Duo Gen 2. But then does that also mean you probably don't have any of those more advanced features that the Pencil Pro has

Is it just writing? I'm sure, I don't know if it has any of those hover or other gyro type elements that are at play

Again, that's a lot to ask because even having the pencil work is a nice win

It might be they just got that over the finish line, it sounds like, where it's like, I mean, because you would think with Apple that the pencil

if it did work, why not include the pencil with it? But maybe this is like an 11th hour thing that they're like

it does work with that. Let's try it out for a year. Next year, we'll have the real full design pencil for this

The golf pencil. Yeah, we'll have the nice thing that attaches to the side and adds whatever you want

I think we've exhausted the iPhone Duo, unless there's anything else anybody needs to say about it

I mean, I'm just curious to try it, but I'm sure everyone is. And yeah, I don't know

I'm curious also how it changes perception on affordability for the 18 Pro for people who are now thinking about buying

$100 increase on the iPhone Pros. Timothy, we saw the mechanical variable aperture

So moving parts on the iPhone 18, that aperture thing is not available on the Duo

What do you think about this idea? because Apple's saying we shot it on an iPhone. And then they showed us the back of the iPhone

without showing us the front of it, like how many other adapters were used for this device

What do you think of the camera improvements on the Pro? I think they sound really promising

I mean, I think they said it's, you know, laser cut precision machine parts

that are thinner than a human hair. It'll be interesting to see if those are equally durable

but yeah, I mean, major camera upgrades coming, variable aperture is just one of them

And it sounds like there's going to be a ton of tools that creators are going to be able to use

I personally am just waiting for like all the AI editing tools that have been standard on like Google, Pixel, Samsung, Android devices for quite a while now

But based on the demo photos they showed, it looked like you could do professional photography on the iPhones, which, you know, I think that's been true for a couple of years now

And people kind of look down like, oh, if you're a real pro, you wouldn't be shooting on the iPhone

But I have very, very good cameras. I mean, that's been true for a while now

So giving us variable aperture, giving us some additional ways to edit and really just like find the perfect shot

I'm excited to try it out in person for sure. They definitely sound like some big upgrades, which is what the rumor was, right

We're going to get big camera upgrades. My first impression is they really delivered on that

Is there anything that you feel like, I mean, was this enough for the Pro

Do you feel like you were looking for anything more? or is this kind of what the iPhone is now

these types of like incremental bits that you add on? I think it's enough with a $100 price increase

If this had gone up $200 or $300, I would have said

maybe we need a little bit more to justify really going for it

But $100 price increase is not too bad given everything that's going on with the memory crisis

So I do think it's enough. I mean, if you really want the shiny new thing, you're going to go for the Duo anyway, right

So I think there's plenty of exciting stuff to try out here. Joining us as well is Nina Raymont of ZDNet

How is the energy over there right now? How excited are you about stuff? Or was this a complete flop to you

The energy is crazy over here. Everybody is flooding the iPhone Duo table

It was very difficult to get some photos of it so far

I did get to see the Apple Watch Series 12 and Ultra 4 already

Got to see the new ceramic finish on the Apple Watch 12

It's awesome. I personally think that like I've been waiting a long time to see some of these feature upgrades coming to the Apple Watch Series 12

that Apple seemingly has taken from some of the other wearable competitors, namely Aura

even Google, with that readiness app. It was nice to see Apple finally

take that information and bring it to the Apple Watch. Because I mean, last year we got sleep

scores for the first time. And that was a feature that I feel like I've seen on so many different

wearable devices. And I was so surprised that it took Apple so long to bring these into the Apple

Watch. And so now we have that readiness app that's going to tell you every day just how ready you are

to take on the day and to do more activity or, you know, rest if you need to. And also that sort of

revamp to other health features like I'm thinking of like the health sensing system and the fact

that there will be more accurate heart rate readings. I'm looking forward to trying that out

And also some of the more intelligent features that aren't necessarily related

to health, like the fact that your Apple Watch is going to be listening to you a lot

more through, I think it was audio recap or Siri recap. Yeah

Just like I was very impressed and almost tickled by the fact that like if I not paying attention to something my friend is telling me my Apple Watch will be able to tell me what my friend said Kind of a funny feature in my opinion

Yeah, Beach is putting up part of the presentation that discussed this potentially, this transcription audio is not recorded or stored on the device

Audio cannot be accessed. It's encrypted end to end. And you believe you have to opt into using this thing

Otherwise it's not on by default. I like this idea, but immediately it was a concern here

What about the legality of two-party states? Carly, our producer, we had that in the other chat saying

what about recording people's conversations? That was another higher up in the chat

But Apple's workaround is essentially, we aren't recording you. We're just transcribing you

And based on how the law catches up to stuff, I think they'll be fine, just fine. Yeah

I feel like Apple, it seems like this is one way for Apple to dip its toes into more intelligent companions without coming out with an intelligent companion

kind of releasing one feature on one of its devices, not an iPhone device, your Apple Watch

that basically can help you listen to things. And it will get Apple Watch users accustomed

to the idea that a device is always on and kind of helping you along, like identify a song or

remember what your waiter told you. Kind of give people a year to become comfortable with that

and then next year maybe introduce AirPods with cameras or something else

That's a great point. This is basically they're setting the table for the next several years

Let's talk about AirPods because there was updates to this, but not price updates. They kept it $129

All AirPods now have ANC, active noise cancellation, which is impressive. And at those prices, pretty low

They have two variants of the AirPods 5, right, Nina? Yes. Yes, there's one that's going to be $129 and the other will be, I believe, $150

And the one that is more expensive comes with like a volume node

And then the standard AirPods 5 that are $129 just comes with like active noise cancellation

and live translation and one other feature I'm forgetting. I'm curious how good the noise cancellation is on these, on the more open design, because it sounds like, you know, they're bolder about it now, more confident

Will this, like, close the gap on people picking this over the AirPods Pro or, like, you know, what that all means

They're also talking about a lot more transparency additions to this, which maybe think of smart glasses

the idea that this is listening and can filter in sound so if there's sirens going off babies crying

doorbells theoretically the new version of the airpods are supposed to be better at picking this

up and bringing you back into that timothy what did you think of the new airpods and their

ability to bring you back to reality yeah i mean they definitely emphasize the transparency isn't

going to be like quite so awkward i think there's actually a price decrease on one of these right i

believe the $150 model is $30 cheaper than than last year's version or the

version from two years ago with ANC. So they're definitely emphasizing a more like naturalistic

They keep you in the environment. They keep you interacting with people through things like live translation

That was a cool demo. So lots, lots of really cool stuff there, some key upgrades

And again, like I believe the only price decrease of all the new products

announced, you know, all these accessories are because it's hard to pay for a $2,000 device

And Apple, of course, did that leasing thing I was talking about. They showed the iPhone 18 Pro and they're like

you can have this for $35 a month because of their leasing program

I think that's gonna move a lot of hardware, but these accessories are the things that are actually

gonna sell because you can afford them. Nina, do you have any other thoughts about iPhones

or the wearables? Yeah, what hit you here? Yeah, what got you excited? I got very excited seeing the iPhone Duo

And I also love that new burgundy color on the iPhone 18 Pro

Just, I'm excited to see and hold the iPhone Duo. I was very interested in sort of like the flat design, especially because whenever ZDNet posts any sort of video depicting a foldable

whether it's the Z Fold 8, Z Fold 8 Ultra, the Google Pixel Fold, everyone is always talking about the crease and whether they can see the crease or not

And at least for like the five minutes I got to see that iPhone Duo, it didn't really look like you could see the crease

Of course, that's going to be maybe different when you have it in your hand and test it out

But for now, I'm excited for it. And I can't wait to try it out

Yeah. Apple also showed off the fun ability to show the preview of what you're shooting on one side of the camera

I mean, on one side of the phone. And the other side of it, you can frame them. And if there's kids involved, you can run Snoopy

Put Snoopy there. Now, they're excited and they'll look great in the photos

Timothy, Motorola's had this for a while. I just feel like when I was watching this whole thing, I was swearing

Because all of this stuff is... You'll always find that. You'll always find stuff. Exactly. You're following a beat

All of this stuff has existed before and Apple's doing it. And so people are like, this is amazing

Timothy, do you think this is enough to catch up? Do you think people even know about Motorola's stuff that can do similar abilities

Yeah. Someone said the other day in our group chat, Apple reheating Motorola's leftovers

You know, I do remember that Motorola that put a smiley face on the back display

Samsung, Google, all these foldables let you line up the perfect selfie. It's one of my favorite features and reasons I like foldables

But does the average person know that? Are they used to it? I don't think so

I think it's going to be seen as like pretty new and exciting to the average Apple user specifically

So I think they introduced enough cool stuff here to get people genuinely excited about the iPhone Duo

So it comes in just a smidge under $2,000, which is better than we thought going into it

But yeah, it is interesting how Apple's doing things that have been done again, right

Like this has kind of been their pattern. They're not afraid to be late to the party

But yeah, some very, very familiar features for those of us who've been testing foldables and are used to using them

Okay, Nina, I want to ask you one last question before you run. Apple was talking about it's a tablet

it's a phone. And the third thing they kept saying was, it's a nice bedside clock

Is that really the best third usage of a $2,000 phone? Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, I like the idea of seeing the time when I wake up on my phone

but I don't really know if I need to use that as an alarm clock. But I don't know

maybe they got bored or they didn't really know what to say as their third thing. And they chose

they chose little alarm clocks instead of something else, something more creative

Yeah, okay. Well, thank you very much, Nina. Have a good time there. Hopefully, you get your hands on whatever you want to

So it'll be great over there. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. Bye. Bye

My gosh, I'm just thinking about it. So let's see the alarm is going off. Can I just do that to stop it

Sure. This is the snooze. That's the Nintendo version. I just, yeah, the Duo Alarmo

What's weird, too, is that there are so many stands and chargers that will put your phone into standby mode

And that's the point where you'd be charging it. So it's more, it sounded more interesting that it works

even when it's not overnight. But yeah, I don't know. Maybe they were just trying to come up with another

I'm still interested in how much this is really going to feel like an iPad. And does this make the idea of the iPad feel obsolete

Or are they getting you into a one more device thing that like, oh, this is nice

But for the iPad, I still go to it for, I don't know, keyboard or whatever

I use the iPod keyboard, iPad keyboard. it a lot. So I kind of use it almost as a Mac, which obviously this is not, despite your Samsung

Dex streams, this is not going to be a computer for you in that regard. So maybe that's where the

line gets drawn here in the same way that the iPad gets close to a Mac, but then there's the

Mac, which does the other stuff. So it's this continuum of stuff that we're following

Timothy, before I let you go, I wanted to ask you, What did you think of the iPhone handoff feature that Apple talked about

This way you can have one phone number that can ring a second iPhone if you have one

which sounds like Apple's expecting you to have multiple iPhones. Yeah, I think it seems like tailor-made for people like us who are actively testing multiple phones at once

But I actually saw someone on the subway here in New York City last night using two phones at once

I think there are people who are doing that, or increasingly people who have a work phone and a personal phone

or maybe, you know, your family has multiple devices. So I think it's a cool sounding feature for sure

For me personally, it could be super helpful. I'm sure that's also the case for both of you

Again, will the average iPhone user really be taking advantage of this

I can't imagine people buying two $2,000 phones, you know, two $1,800 phones

But there are those people, they are out there. So who knows

that's what you need next is a duo that just then splits into two solos and then rejoins

back into the duo and then you you want to voltron there you go thank you bring back the Trifold Remember those Yeah Well we going to see a lot more stuff from Tim over at Mashable this time when we get

it right. Yes. Let's see what he's got to say. Thanks, guys. Thank you very much

Thank you. We're getting more live footage of the demo room there

We're seeing the sides of the iPhone Duo. Satisfyingly being closed. It's closed with a magnetic closure

obsessed with the graphic animation of the thing where it kind of feels like it's coming in from the

outside, the spatial effect they have. I am thinking about what you said too, is, you know

will they allow you customization of that outer screen? It seems quite doable. Like, I mean

you know, it seems like an easy thing you could set up in settings, but who knows if that's in

there in the 1.0. Yeah, this is the first gen. So like, I know I've been talking to friends who

I won't get a foldable until Apple does it. And I'm very curious to see if this satisfies their craving

because there's this version of Netflix that was a glimpse into the horrific future

where you can browse videos like TikTok, essentially. You can just do vertical videos

And if you want to watch the full video, it looks like you can just open it up. Is that a thing that's on other folding phones right now

that continuity where whatever you're looking on the outer part, you open it up and suddenly it's there

bigger? Yeah. So on the Samsung devices and the Google devices, they have this idea of how you

use it. If you're using your phone and you open it, the idea is you want to do something larger

But generally when you close it, it just goes into sleep mode because it goes black. So it's

not expecting you to continue. Now that's going to be something that's important because Samsung

lets you choose what continues to the front. You can choose to have everything continue to the front

Apple, I don't know what they're going to do. Like Apple likes to be really controlling

So I don't know. They do. They want you to go in a certain flow for their, it just works type of a thing

But granularity, I know. Right as they were talking, it was like that thing triggered a dust mode into my lung

The, yeah, whether, to get that granularity control would be great. I would want that

I don't even use a folding phone all the time. I think I'd want that, but we'll probably know more once everyone gets out of the demos and

briefings and gets more feedback on that. I kind of want one. I do too. I just want it for the

pencil. I know that sounds stupid, but I just want a foldable with a stylus that works. I love the

under display camera idea. It's on the Fold 6. This also had the same thing. You could draw on

the inside not on the outside And this is supposed to be the thinnest iPhone when open I don really care that it the thinnest iPhone when open because I don think I going to hold it in my pocket that way Bar got the iPhone Duo and we getting the selfie cam

This is the under display. Oh, this is the FaceTime camera. That's the camera that's, yeah, the front-facing one

Is it? No, that's the one on the inside. No, no, that's the... Which one is this

I think under the display. Yeah, yeah, that's what... I meant the inside like the inside, the under display camera

Sorry. Yeah, and then we're getting a sense of the whole Apple layout there

closing it up. Yeah, I mean, there's only so much you can see remotely

It looks nice, but I'm curious about how it feels, how that visceral click is

you know, how sturdy it all feels. They've got a lot of time too, because pre-orders don't start until October 13th

and it's not available until the 26th of October. So there's a whole month and a half

before this thing comes out. This is a late product, and it probably will dovetail

with what we expect will be another Apple event for Macs. So that will be kind of interesting

That's happened before, where Apple has announced a product at one event

and then it arrives right when the other event rolls in. And we're still expecting

not to skip past this event that we're still talking about, we're still expecting Macs within chips

There's maybe a new touchscreen Mac, there may be that HomePod or Apple TVs

but this might, yeah, this might kind of line up with a future Apple product release second shoe dropping thing

As everything was being introduced, Scott, You were just thinking, okay, this is how they're setting up the table

This is AI on glasses. Can you explain that to the audience of what you are seeing from, we saw awesome pieces of hardware, but you're seeing what's going to happen

I'm, yeah, I'm trying to think ahead to 2027. I know we're here in 2026, but I'm thinking about categories that I cover a lot, which are, yes, next-gen wearables, smart glasses, things like the future of vision as well, which I don't think Apple has stopped on vision

I think there will be a lot more stuff to come after a period of time

But what got my attention here were two things. One is the personal hub term, which they spent a lot of time at the beginning

Ternus came right in and defined the iPhone, which- Redefined, yeah. Redefined, which you do not need to do

We are very aware of what an iPhone is. Why spend that much time explaining what the iPhone is

And it's to not just set the table, I think, for the duo, but probably set the table for everything that they're doing

over the next couple of years, including Siri. Siri being an assistant in a home hub that also makes me think about the HomePod thing that might be coming in what is a hub And a hub is a thing that connects So sure the duo is a hub but it

also about what you're connecting to. And I think about the talk about glasses or an AI device or

AirPods with cameras. That goes to the second part, which is the introduction of recap and

And audio intelligence is fascinating to me because it is definitely, like Nina was saying

dipping the toes in to a feature. If they weren't ready to talk about cameras on AirPods now, they're doing that work with

audio intelligence. They're exploring the idea of information collection in a secure way that they're not

really collecting it or they're finding a way to privatize that. all the stuff that right now with meta everyone's getting outraged about about how private is this

are you sneaking photos of me and also how are those being handled um apple is trying to advance

some of the thoughts probably here in a space that is very wild west you have things like plod you

have a number of other ai devices i wear this looky camera thing um so it's like it's step by step but

But I think it does need to get solved because all these products, we are frogs in the pot

Where does it get comfortable? Where are the privacy rules of this

And heck, it's all gonna change everywhere. Like I feel like you're gonna have places that ban this stuff and then maybe allow it again

You also have accessibility considerations, which is meta leads on that heavily, but Apple does too

Where will it be an assisted device for people? You say you can't record

but it's helping somebody actually follow stuff. And then how do you tell them to turn that off

So lots of interesting questions. There's tons of questions, tons of products

And I want to thank everybody for watching and joining us today

because this was a heck of a presentation from Apple. Brand new products

We're going to have reviews, hands-ons, everything you could think of at CNET, Mashable, PCMag, Lifehacker, ZDNet

It's going to be there. Any last words? I'm curious how good it all is

And then what happens in October when this thing finally debuts? I can't wait to check it out

And then be some of those people down there checking it out. Yeah, if you've got questions, let us know, because we will be answering you

Yes. This has been Scott Stein. I've been IAZ Actar. And I'll see you online

Thank you for watching