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Reform shouldn't be judged on the actions of 'a few councillors,' party member Laila Cunningham has insisted, as she set out to defend her party in the wake of a recent undercover documentary.
Taking calls on LBC following the sting, the London Mayoral candidate admitted her party is now "being branded racist" after activists' footage was released, as the councillor set out to defend her party.
Insisting a handful of members are "dragging Nigel Farage's name through the mud", she asserted the Reform UK leader has "made clear that racists have no place in Reform".
It comes as Reform faces growing criticism over undercover recordings conducted as part of the ITV documentary Undercover: A Year in Reform.
Footage captured members describing Asian people as "parasites" and black children as "animals".
The documentary also captured Reform MP Sarah Pochin accusing her party's press officers of being chauvinistic, with Nigel Farage told by an official that he is "protecting" a "racist" candidate.
Branding the comments "disgusting" and "abhorrent", Ms Cunningham pushed back on suggestions that her views align with those of the councillors caught on camera.
"Evidence against three individuals in Reform doesn't automatically establish the culpability of an entire organisation," she insisted.
"Now, because of what a few councillors said, the whole party's being branded racist. And I ask myself, how on earth did we get here?
"I've worked bloody hard on my campaign. I've put my name to it. I've put my reputation on the line. I'm asking people to trust me. And then three people come along, open their mouths, and suddenly I'm expected to answer for views I find horrible. Utterly disgusting."
"I'm Muslim heritage. My parents came here from Egypt. I'm English and I'm really, really proud of it," she continued.
"Do people seriously think that I'd be part of a party I believe was racist? Absolutely not.
"I would never even follow a leader I believe was racist either."
The bombshell footage also showed Reform's Director of Communications Ed Sumner, former Nigel Farage adviser Dan Jukes, and a senior press officer discussing comments made by the party's mayoral candidate for Hampshire and the Solent, Dr Chris Parry.
Speaking at the party's Christmas party, Ms Pochin was filmed telling the female reporter: "Oh thank f*** for that. God! We so need women press officers...
"They are so f***ing chauvinistic."Ms Pochin, who was Reform's only female MP at the time, was filmed saying: "I go out on all the shows and go 'Oh no, it's lovely, oh they're all so welcoming'. Sh**... they just exclude you if you're a woman... It's really tough being a girl with all of this alpha male sh** going on."
In response to the sting, Ed Sumner told ITV: "Nothing in the excerpts [of filming] discloses any wrongdoing, criminal activity or breaches of Reform UK policy by me... I do not endorse extremism or bigotry, or any concealment of extremism and bigotry".
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Is Reform UK getting singled out unfairly here
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And we've got Martin in Doncaster. Hi, Martin. Hiya, Leila. Well done for coming on
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because it might not be an easy show tonight. No, I think you're playing the big thing, Leila
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and thank God we've got a fair start at showing what Reform are about
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I mean, it's not just this case. I mean, look at Makerfield, the very disgusting comments from that candidate in Makerfield
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and then you've got Zia Houston, about that Labour MP, the UST, what's happening
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That's what your heart is about. It's terrible. And it needs to be..
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Not all of them. Not all of them. You know what I mean? You've got the media. It's no good complaining about the media
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You've got two news channels on your side, that one that Martin Doveney's on
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and the Jeremy Kyle news channel. You know what I mean? It's just basically promoting reform propaganda
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day in, day out. Migrants this, migrants that. But Martin, do you think when we talk migrant this, migrant that, people do have a genuine concern about migration or illegal migration
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Should they not have a voice? Is that an unfair complaint? No, it isn't an unfair complaint, Leila, because I do have complaints about it
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There is too many people coming over in small boats. I've owned my MP and I've mentioned this. I mean, I need a Labour MP
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And it's not, I mean, I'm not saying that because I support Labour
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Yeah, I mean, Labour needs to get on top of it. Martin, do you think the press are unfairly scrutinising reform
1:31
No, no, I don't. Our next caller is Victoria from Stansted. Victoria, you don't agree with me, do you
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Hi, Leila. Good evening. I think you've got the balls to try and make a career out of taking this position
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But your question is, are they being disproportionately or unfairly scrutinised? And the answer, and you know, is no. They warrant additional scrutiny. And I'm going to list you some reasons why
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Lee Anderson, Danny Kruger, Robert Jenrick, Andrew Bostendale, Suvella Braberman, Dean Miller, Nathan Gill, Farage's own dragging us into American politics, Farage's own undercover selling
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How has he dragged us into American politics, Victoria? He's dragged us into American politics
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by being too close to Trump over too many years, betting on the price of oil
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Victoria, how has he bet on the price of oil? And do you not think we should have a close relationship
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with the United States? The relationship we should have with the United States
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should be a protectionist of our own values. Yes, it should be cooperative and mutually respected
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respecting each other. Should our close relationship with the United States be contingent on who the president is
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Or should it be to maintain those relationships? You're taking this conversation into an argument
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that's different from the question you ask. With all due respect, Victoria
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you've accused Nigel Farage of somehow taking us into American politics, dragging us, sorry
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and I'm just trying to understand what you mean by that. So he has no agenda. His own personal agenda
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There is no personal agenda. Nigel Farage believes. Do you believe, do you believe
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do you believe America... You were so busy prosecuting. Where have you been
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It's like you've been dropped from another planet and you've not read and seen
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and heard everything the rest of us have. Victoria, do you think, do you think America
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is an ally or an enemy? Increasingly an enemy. What has it done
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to harm the United Kingdom? Well, I would initially say that when they make it increasingly impossible for us to buy energy and oil on the wholesale market, they are affecting our economy
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I think that Trump's political decisions has a day-to-day impact on what we pay for energy so we can run our businesses at the pump
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And do you think the solution to that is to have closer relationships to the USA
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What benefit is there to not having close relationships to the USA? Once again, you're just..
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We don't have the energy capability or the financial or the defence capabilities
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to not be allied with the United States. You're taking us into an argument that you think you can win
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Yes, of course we should have close ties with America because we share many values
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but the values we shared for 200 years have been totally distorted
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and Farage uses the closeness for his own gains. Reform is a limited company
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What's the own gain? What's the own gain? What's his own gain? Well, I distinctly remember, Leila
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that him and his close circle knew about the price of oil per barrel
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going up six hours before it did. I don't know whether you've seen that
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I can't comment on that. Well, after this call, I'll follow up. I'm sure your producers can find it in a couple of seconds
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Are you not aware of that then? No, I'm not aware of that
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Okay, will you research it? You've also mentioned colleagues in the list of why we should be scrutinised more
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What do you mean by that? You just listed the names, you didn't list a reason. Okay, so Nathan Gill is in prison
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Yeah, and rightly so. Nathan Gill was a traitor to this country
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Okay, so Leila. Yes? When a reform member, when a reform, you know, elect is put in prison
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He wasn't elected under reform, but yeah. What was his position? He was leader of Wales when we weren't polling much, when we were a small party
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And just, you know, by the very late... You think that's unimportant
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No, I think it's very important. I think he was a traitor to this country. And it wasn't a journalist that uncovered him
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The reason I raised Nathan Gill's name and what he did is because the question you've asked is why is reform under more scrutiny
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Because Russia is one of our biggest threats. So if reform are doing everything they can and taking money off crypto billionaires to make expensive fines
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But what's wrong? Those crypto billionaires are legitimate legal donors. Are you saying there's a criminal activity there
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Because there isn't. Well, I believe that there's a threshold as to what somebody can donate
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Well, let me put it to you. A few years ago, Lord St. Bruce... Are you justifying the £5 million he took there
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We're not talking... That was a personal gift, and the Parliamentary Standards has still..
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Who has ever accepted a million personal gift before in the run to their leadership campaign Who has ever done that well it was a personal gift now you know the scrutiny and you know you know if i felt that
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my life was in danger and i did not have the security to protect myself and to protect my
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family i would yes because say my safety and my family's safety comes above everything else and
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if i had a friend that was kind enough to offer that of course i would take it show me one person
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that wouldn't. Who would want to endanger their lives? And there's nothing illegal about it
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We are talking about if you are going to go undercover in a political party, then do you
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not think that if you're going to compare like for like, they should do that to other parties? Where have you ever seen an undercover journalist infiltrate another party for a whole year
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Have you seen that before? Well, I can't remember off the top of my head if you gave me 30 seconds. They're absolutely
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right to do that. Thank you, Victoria. You think they're right and you don't agree with me. And that's a great call. And listen, I want people to call and not agree with me. I don't mind a bit of disagreement. It's why I'm here tonight. But do you agree with Victoria? Do you remember a time when journalists went undercover in a political party? Our next caller is Martin from Rotheright in South East London. Hello, Martin
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Evening, Lola. How are you? Fine, thank you. How are you? Yeah, not too bad. Well done for keeping your cool there with that last call
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I mean, she was quite clearly a Labour activist. I mean, you can always tell. It was the full house with the bingo set with what she was coming out with there
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So well done. But what we're seeing now was all predicted by Dominic Cummings about a year ago
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That you were going to see an all-out attempt by parts of the media
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not all, but parts of the media and certain people in the media to do everything they could to try to destroy reform
8:45
And what's interesting is it's not just on the left. I mean, yes, we've got this current one with ITV
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We've had Sky News recently doing a big hit piece on Durham County Council
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We had the Channel 4 one as well. And you know that hit piece on Durham County Council
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She only spoke to the disgruntled councillors. Yeah, I saw that as well
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And I was on her show and I'm like, if you're really going to judge a council, do you not think you should speak to the residents and ask them what they view
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And I think that's the problem of journalists just speaking to journalists and politicians. They don't speak for the people or to the people
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I agree. And this latest one, all of those councillors that were filmed saying those terrible things, just get shot at them
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They don't represent most of the party. But what's really important here is it's not just on the left where reform are being attacked
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If you look, maybe this time last year, there were a lot of journalists on the right
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There are certain newspapers on the right that were quite friendly to reform, even though they're historically conservative
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But that's all started changing. You're even seeing certain outlets like, you know, reform don't have a lot of friends in the media
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And the few that they do have, like, you know, GB News or talk radio, even they in recent months have started turning against reform
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It's coming from both angles now. And, yeah, I agree with you that we don't have many friends in the press and I welcome scrutiny
10:08
In fact, it's important that we're scrutinised because it holds us to a high standard
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But I do think that it's the journalist's duty to hold every party to the similar standard
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I agree. And I don't feel they are. I've got an example
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If you remember, when the Iran war started a few months back
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I remember going on the BBC News website and you would have thought that the Iran war would have been their number one news story at the time
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Instead, it was a story about a reform councillor that you'd never heard of from somewhere who had said something terrible
10:43
That was their number one news story in the middle of the Iran war
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And there were some other big global stories at the time. And I can remember at that time reading this thinking no other political party with a councillor that you've not heard of who's made some terrible comments
10:57
That would not be your main story if it was in the Greens, Labour, the Tories or anybody else
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And Martin, before we won so many council elections across the country, I never saw so much scrutiny by the mainstream media on councils
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No, you never used to see anything. Never used to see on councils, zero. Thank you very much, Martin. Our next caller is Adele, who's a first time caller from Ulverston in Cumbria. Hi, Adele
11:19
Hello, Leila. Lovely to speak to you. Lovely to speak to you too. What it is, I'm asked for a little bit of relationship advice
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Oh, OK, go on. I am in a relationship with a man who votes for reform
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Okay. I am a liberal woman. I have issues with what I've seen in this undercover sting
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that's happened over this last week. So do I, yeah. And we have had some arguments
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He thinks that reform is not a racist party. I am obviously disagreeing with him
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but that's not really what it is that interests me. it's more the misogyny and especially the quote from Sarah Poachin where she said that reform has
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a male issue and as somebody who you know I'm in a relationship and he cares about women
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I just wanted to ask you how many isolated incidents of misogyny within the reform party
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do you think can be allowed before it becomes a culture? I mean we've only heard from Sarah and
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that perhaps is a personal experience. I mean, they've made me candidate for London mayor
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which is the biggest mandate in Europe. They've given me a platform. I think you're fabulous
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I disagree with you politically, but I think you're wonderful. I think you're a really great representative for the party
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and I follow you on social media, you know, and I think, you know, I'm not a tribal person
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I'll never dismiss what the work you do and everything like that. Thank you. I am interested as a woman inside the party
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how much of this can you let go before you speak out
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and say what was said on those investigations was wrong? But I have said it's wrong. It was terrible
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What is reform going to do about it? Sorry to interrupt you
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Rather than deflect and say why don't they investigate other parties, why don't you come out strongly in favour of the women in your party
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actually own what has happened instead of this deflection. I would have more respect for you as a woman if you could do that
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But we have very strong women in the party. You know, we welcome strong women
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Nigel is, you know, very respectful of women and women's opinions. But you also have deeply misogynistic men in your party
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And I do think you are creating a misogynistic culture. How do you know that
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Because I spend a lot of time on social media. I read posts by reform supporters. I read posts by people who say vote for reform and then call Bridget Philipson a DEI hire, just purely on the fact that she's a woman
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You cannot possibly say that that acceptable Didn Bridget Philipson say that one of the Conservative ministers was a DEI hire But you deflecting again No I not I just saying that again I talking about reform I don want to do what about
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only with you, Leila. I'm not doing what about me, Adele. What about to be boring? What I'm saying is
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you're holding us to a higher standard, which is the premise of my conversation. Of course
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there are bad apples. There are bad apples in every organisation. But what I'm saying is
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don't tarnish a whole party. Don't tarnish literally hundreds of thousands of people by
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a few comments you see on social media. We have a local councillor here called Hazel Edwards
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She's a fantastic councillor. She's a reform councillor. She does great work for her community
14:39
She's very outspoken. She gets the job done. She also has some horrific social media posts
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I can separate that line between the work she does and the things she says
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No, I agree. The example that you make as a woman within reform
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I do think you need to be stronger on it. Adele, I would if I felt it was misogynistic
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100% I would stand up for it. You know I stand up for what I believe in, but I don't believe that reform is misogynistic
15:08
I haven't seen it. But it's a great call, Adele. It's been really interesting hearing your thoughts, actually
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and it's interesting the difference of opinions within a marriage. Carl from Manchester
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Hi, Carl. Hiya. I don't know how you put up with these people
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but then again, if you want to get into power, you've got to do what Donald Trump did in America
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I've studied Trump over the years, and it was obvious to me when he started out he was going to win the election
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He's just a total genius. Now, as long as Farage keeps his cool, he wins the election
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because I can tell you on behalf of most football fans in the country
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88% of football fans, the real football fans, not the idiots who watched football in the last year or two
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they're all big reform fans. And when it comes to the election, are IEV, Channel 4 and all the other idiot stations
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going to get a shock? Because they don't even see it coming down the road
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that reform are going to win. It's quite amusing, really. Well, I think, Carl, I think they do see it
16:08
that reform's going to win. And that's why they're coming after us. Great call from Carl
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Thanks for your call. And maybe, you know what, maybe I'll read some text messages
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Well, I got a nice one saying, well done, Lele, you're doing a great job of standing up to all the reform haters
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Keep up the good work. And then another one is shame an LBC for giving a platform to your poison
16:35
Well, there you go. We've got two sides. And next is Patel from Pinner
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Hi, Patel. How are you? Yeah, I'm okay. Not bad. The reason why I'm calling is because
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I'm a little bit dismayed about the arguments put against you. I just feel as though there's a degree of resentment and unfairly leveled against reform
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And I'm not a reform supporter. I do support a lot of the things reform stands for, but not everything
17:03
And I feel as though people are calling up venting anger and trying to tarnish you with some of the some of the old things that they've seen here and there, which doesn't really put together a cogent argument
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So I just feel as though you've had a couple of callers I've called in, which I've listened to. I feel a bit annoyed about that. And I just wanted to say that one thing I will say, and that is reform are attracting some unfortunate publicity
17:29
I think there are some bad apples in your party. For sure. And we're dealing with that
17:35
Then you should deal with that. We are. Crack down that pretty hard. There really is a zero tolerance approach. And anyone who's caught saying that kind of a foreign language has gone
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But as Nigel said, it's difficult to vet people for what they say in the future
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we can only vet them for what they said in the past. Thank you very much. Great call. Hi, Asha
17:51
Hello. Hi, Leila. Hi, hi. I'm calling for the first time. So to answer your question with regards to whether we believe
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whether I believe reform is being held to a higher standard and, you know, it's almost coming off like a witch hunt
18:07
I do believe there's a small element of that just because of, you know, the publicity that they're getting, right
18:16
But that's not to say that it's not warranted. I do believe that the same standards should be held across all parties
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and maybe a penalty should be introduced for when people do get caught out
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and are caught saying foul things like this. Because people are going to be, you're going to be under the spotlight
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whether you're in Conservative Party reform. It's just that reformer just being, you know
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It's just a bigger spotlight. Of course, right? But that being said, I'm calling
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And you're a first time caller. Thanks for calling. No, that's OK. I'm calling as a black woman
18:48
Yeah. Usually, I've grown up in North London. I've grown up down
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Where in North London? So I grew up in, well, Copenhagen Street
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So Caledonian Road, so Islington. Okay. And in the 80s, there was a lot of racism
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So I witnessed that firsthand and whatnot. So as you grow up, you learn that it's a lot of ignorance
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So you learn to just, it's background noise. And as an adult, you just get on with it and you just ignore it
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But when I heard the comments that were made through the reform party over the last few days, especially regarding the children, that's what I was like
19:29
No, not acceptable. You can. I've got two black girls. My children are black
19:35
Right. Actually, one's mixed race and the other's black. But you cannot talk about the children. Children are off limits
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You cannot go around in 2026. Adults are off limits. Racism in any form
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100%. But you know what? I was even more offended because I'm an adult
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I can take it. But imagine if my kids are watching the news and they're hearing
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because it's not filtered, by the way, that all black children are considered animals
20:06
Are you out of your mind? Outrageous. I was furious too. I was furious too
20:11
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand that you're furious. I mean, listen, as a Muslim, sometimes I get labelled as a terrorist, as an Islamist, and it makes me furious
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Furious. And I'll say this, Asia, it does not represent me, it does not represent the party, it does not represent the views of Nigel
20:32
But sadly, we can't control everyone who joins our political party. You can't control everyone that you're joining
20:37
And some racists, listen, I'll put it this, some racists mistake perhaps our strong immigration policies for an invitation to express their prejudices
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They're wrong because supporting border control doesn't give anyone permission to be racist
20:50
No, absolutely not. But the danger is, is allowing a small number of those racists to define an entire movement
20:56
And that's what I'm pushing back on. I totally get it. I totally get that point. But there got to be a reason for it because we now seeing it almost given I don want to say that reform has given the green light of all the racists to come out the closet because at one point it was
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just like it was a little bit quiet and then there just seems it's just exploded because it's more
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noticeable and i do believe that the media has a big part to play in that as well i'm sorry to say
21:23
media and politics go hand in hand right so you can't say that it's not benefit one is not benefiting
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in the other and it seems to flip-flop at the end of the day in my opinion so like you said earlier
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with regards to at one point i think someone said that at one point reform was you know let's just
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say what's the what's the term you know the flavor of the month yeah so to speak yeah and then all of
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a sudden it's just like okay well now you're not so so popular and we can see it you can see it and
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Some would say it's like a witch hunt, but then at the same time, it could be working in their favour because some people like an underdog
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So we don't know which way it's coming from. It's a lot of bamboozling that's going on
22:06
It's politics, isn't it? Yeah, it is. It's terrible. Politics has never been so dirty
22:11
I agree. This is my opinion. And the narrative is sometimes awful
22:16
I mean, it's awful. And I think there's a difference between opposing immigration, illegal immigration and mass migration to the extent that we've had and disliking immigrants
22:30
You know, I'm the daughter of immigrants and there is no way I would never, ever be part of any party that was racist
22:38
You know, I grew up in with people from all backgrounds and that's the party I want to represent
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And the party we represent is it doesn't matter the colour of your skin, your religion, where you were born
22:50
If you come to this country and you love it and you want to join it, then you're one of us
22:55
And that message has to be stronger. I think that, yeah, definitely that message has to be stronger because at the moment
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the message and the impression that people are getting off from the reform party is not a good one
23:10
But all I ask, Asha, is don't let a few bad people taint all of us
23:17
That's all. I understand. Please know that that is not the views of the party
23:23
I would hope not. Of course not. Of course not. Never. Never
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You know, that's not what the party represents. It's not what our country represents. But great call
23:32
Thank you very much. I'm going to read a WhatsApp from Moose. He says, I'm a reform supporter
23:37
You've mentioned you're a Muslim. So I assume that your family back home are Muslim. What is your take for saying they're going to ban face coverings
23:44
Well, my take is that face coverings has nothing to do with Islam
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You know, there's nothing that says you must cover your face. Absolutely not
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And it is a very radical take on a traditional form of Islam that doesn't really belong in this country
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I don't believe that an open society should have women covering their face
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That's how I feel about it. And I'm happy to ban face coverings. You know, I've stood, it's number one, it's conducive to crime
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because when you hide someone's identity, it's very difficult to prove that they committed that crime
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if you can't identify their face. But on a more fundamental level, it just doesn't match British values in any way
24:25
Our next caller is Lee from Bromley. Hi, Lee. Hi, Leila. How are you
24:30
How are you? Go on. I'm the first time speaking to you. Oh, wow
24:34
I'm honoured. I just wanted to say, I think the other parties are frightened of reform
24:45
Why do you think? Well, because I think they've hidden so much from the public
24:52
It's all going to come out in the wash. Yeah, yeah, yeah
24:56
Well, you could also say because it's them or us, right? Well, that's how it's getting, yeah
25:03
Maybe there's no place for a third party. and... Yeah, and as for racism
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that's the first word out of their mouth. It's the only thing, you know
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they don't attack our policies and they just label us things that are untrue
25:18
And there has been a two-party consensus in this... For a long time
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For as far back as I can remember. And you can imagine that the powers that be
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whoever they are, don't want to lose that. No, of course they don't. And they'll do whatever they can to stop it from happening
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and all I ask is that journalists of course scrutinise us but I think journalists owe it
25:42
Can you call them journalists when they're doing stuff like that? Well I mean I think they owe it to the public to present all sides of the story
25:50
Thank you very much Lee, that's a great call I've been shown a WhatsApp message from Mackie
25:54
Hi Leila, you are too good for reform, you are educated, fair and have charisma there is nothing wrong with supporting border control
25:59
unfortunately the reform movement is packed full of people with far less character than you including racists and thugs
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you're too good to be in that awful party. It's not true, Mackie. I have met the most remarkable people
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and I've campaigned up and down the country. And I have met people that have blown me away, actually
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People that have been, that are fighting, fighting the state, actually, some of them
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fighting the overreach of the state, fighting for their rights, fighting for their community
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And they've just felt that they've been fighting alone without the state
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And I can't agree with your message. Thank you for your compliments to me
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But the people I've met from reform have blown me away in their conviction, their kindness and their dedication to this country
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And I'm going to take one last call and it's Gavin from Liverpool. Hi, Gavin
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You're right. I'm actually from up in Carlisle. But yeah, so you're not the only one, right
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momentum in 2019 BBC Panorama did a full infiltration of momentum and had an undercover agent working for
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months and months and then did a and then released a Panorama against us and that's the
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British broadcaster, the state-owned broadcaster, yeah, right? So you're not the only one, the Labour Party has had this
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over and over and over for decades upon decades, like in the 70s
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Wilson had MI5. 70s? We're talking about now, people who watched it
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Yeah, but the people who watched it in the 70s might not be alive now 2024 then
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When has it happened now? Josh Simmons, the Labour Together scandal. Yeah, that was a sting operation
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There's been so many... I didn't see a documentary. Was there an undercover documentary on that
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I may have missed it. Al Jazeera, undercover documentary. Al Jazeera. The Al Jazeera free park documentary
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Ah, OK. But were any British... Did any British journalists do a sting operation and do a video
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Cinerama was a set of British journalists, but the British broadcaster. Like, look, it's all right
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It's normal. But trying to make out that this is not normal is the problem
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