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Now, I want to state at the very beginning of this hour about infidelity that I know it's not funny
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I mean, the footage from the Coldplay gig in Massachusetts that's going wild on social media
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you can see the actual video on the LBC app. The footage of a couple being exposed by the Jumbotron camera that goes to a particular fan
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And so they get the thrill of being seen at their gig. It is funny, but it's also sad
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But the conversation I want to have with you about infidelity isn't ha, ha, ha, how funny is infidelity
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It isn't. It has huge implications for the individuals involved, for children often, for the wider family
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I know it's a really gut-wrenching betrayal when it happens and it can really shatter lives
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So I want to say that from the outset. But I'm interested, I'll play you something
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from the Coldplay gig in a second, but I'm interested to know how your infidelity in a
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relationship was exposed and then what happened. Because I think, I certainly always think for
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myself, I always think, well, that would be it. That would be the end of it. Bye-bye. Get out of
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the house. See ya. But the reality of relationships is that isn't how we always respond, particularly
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if we're married and have children and a life together and families are all bonded. It's not
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always that simple it can be that simple for some people but it's not always that simple
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um but i want to know when your affair was exposed how that happened and then what happened
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a few years before covid i was doing a wedding um i always to cover myself read what i call a gdpr
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statement because all digital photographs are subject to good old gdpr i'll let people look
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that up if they want to um so it's along the lines of these are digital photographs they are going to
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be stored on a digital retrieval system if you don't want them used in this way you must step
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out now now i got a phone call uh sorry an email from a gentleman um a couple of weeks after i'd
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posted the photo saying i need you to delete all the photographs because i wasn't there with my wife
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and he'd been in a lot of the photographs hadn't even thought about it but in a lot of the
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photographs standing there with someone he wasn't supposed to be there with and i just couldn't
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believe it so that's that is the absolute best reason why i ever make that statement
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i just i just couldn't believe it and the bride couldn't believe it he wanted me to edit him out
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of them all and these are the days before um ai so it wasn't that easy yeah and i wasn't going to
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have black spots or blurs or anything like that so the bride very um chuckle he said no tough that his problem i no idea what happened but um yes it uh Have you seen anything else at weddings where people you know like a Mrs Robinson moment or a don marry him moment
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or a he's married to me moment? I don't know. No, because my job is to get them
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I've always said that only 50% of my job is taking the photographs
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The rest is getting the couples through the day. But I've had several weddings where I just knew it wasn't going to last
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and in several cases I've been proven right. Why? My jobs, they just didn't seem to get on
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They've been just being carried along with the cost of it so they think they have to do it
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And sometimes the stress of a wedding is just too much for a relationship. Yeah
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Because they want the giant, you know, £30,000 wedding and they're taking out a second mortgage to pay for it
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You don't need to do that. I've done weddings with just four people and they are so nice
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When I was 11, my parents divorced. It was back when landlines, so there were no mobiles back then
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But to note my father had been having multiple affairs over multiple months
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and it came to light because the lady he was having an affair with got wind
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that my dad was married already and rang my mother's landline and exposed him
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so yeah what happened after that is that for years and years my dad
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spun this tune that my mum had been the one sleeping around but
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this subsequent behaviour over the last 10-15 years he's finally settled down
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but the behaviour he displayed afterwards just confirmed to me that you were the adult of us
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so yeah and you as a child were exposed to some of this mess
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I was not so I guess this is what parents do but I was totally shielded from it
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and it wasn't the coolest of things we got told that they were
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divorcing on Boxing Day I think 2001 but they got through one last Christmas together
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to keep the act up a well say though my sister is five years younger than me
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and she's more perceptive at six she could already see the words to my mother
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where all the happiness has gone out of me, mum. So, yeah, I think what..
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She could feel it. She could feel something as well. She could feel it. Now, while I've been watching a lot about this CEO and that
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and I think there is a lot of schadenfreude in it, maybe because they're like bigwigs in the corporate
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but I think what people need to remember is that behind those two people, there'll be two sets of devastated families
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Text here says, I found a text message on my ex-husband's phone from the woman he's been having an affair with
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my child was seven going on eight at the time and we were on holiday oh devastating we got back from the holiday he went to work so he said on the monday he worked away and on the thursday he called to
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say he was not coming home oh my goodness that must have been incredibly hard that is that is
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such a sad story hello i'm fine you have had affairs yes yes i have um i i just just just
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to meet your answer you said you wanted stories of people getting caught out so just very quickly
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which i just want to contribute my buddy discovered or had evidence that his wife was having an affair
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because he's ex-army and he worked in reconnaissance surveillance espionage and so forth and was
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skilled um and set up audio devices um in the sort of gazebo of his garden where he believed his
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wife was going after he left for work and sure enough he recorded everything so that's how he
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discovered that his wife was having an affair um yeah and what about yourself so yeah i mean i it
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doesn't directly answer your question but i think at the outset you asked how did people find out
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my my contribution is more about why people have affairs so yes i have had affairs i've never been
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married myself but essentially i have had affairs and in in those cases um the women
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their reasons where they were bored and the relationship was sexless so they had become
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mothers wives and their husbands had lost interest in them sorry the reason they had an affair with
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you you mean yes yeah i see i see i mean that that's that's what they say and in every case i've
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I said that I'm not interested in forming a new relationship with them
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And the two that I'm thinking of were also, I was in a relationship with them before they got married
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Yeah. So I had, they were both ex-girlfriends. Yeah. Yeah. And the two I'm thinking of
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yes. So essentially, um, the, the, they, they, we, we split up and then years later they got married and then they got back in
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touch with me. Um, I, I had no intention of rekindling anything and I didn't want
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uh, I kept saying that I didn't want to necessarily change the course of their life and their relationship
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but they were adamant that essentially they wanted something outside of their marriage
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and they trusted me for discretion and they felt that I would basically be trustworthy, which I was
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And so on those occasions, we did have brief flings. And that never changed. The women didn't suddenly say, are we sure we can't become something
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So in one case, I think that's what she was angling for, but absolutely I did not want to get back with her
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Her husband was a wealthy banker He was very busy She said he was boring he was stressed out and worked all the time and had no time for her and and our and our relationship was essentially sexual
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and she saw me as an alternative to to sort of tick that box in the relationship that he no longer
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did um i there was a brief period i think when she thought we could rekindle um but but no way
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did I want that she then eventually um had another baby which I think was her second and there was
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question of the father but um since she had that second baby uh um will we stop seeing each other
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because obviously role you know her life became too busy with that second child and and thankfully
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um to my knowledge her husband has no idea but but essentially both cases and the other lady I'm
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thinking of her partner in fact he wasn't husband but he was he's very well known he's he's in the
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public eye he's on the news regularly yeah don't say anymore yeah no no i won't say anymore but
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but essentially um in that that affair again it was he wasn't satisfying her and we had had a
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previous relationship and it just seemed convenient she knew she could trust me i mean again i i i
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think and i don't feel the guilt as in they came to me and i didn't want to harm the relationship
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and essentially that it was purely on a physical basis. But with the sort of outset that there was an original friendship
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and trust and knowing each other well. Do you have any desires to have a unique relationship just for you
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that is not about anybody else? You mean would I want to settle down, fall in love and get married
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Yeah, maybe fall in love, settle down and get married. Fall in love, get married, settle down
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does that not interest you so um i don't think it would work for me personally so
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um and and my oh my gosh i mean this is where it gets a little bit personal so essentially i've had
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a lot of therapy and i had some issues when i was younger about relationships and sex and so forth
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and therapy helped me to come to terms with the fact that maybe marriage and monogamy is not for
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everybody and I fear that because of issues that I experienced when I was a young person
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has changed my attitude towards love, commitment, sex and relationships. It's a kind of abuse. I didn't think of it as abuse when I was a youngster. I didn't see it
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that way. It was my therapist that said to me, you don't realize it, but you were abused. And
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as a result of that, I sort of had to come to terms with the fact that personally, to answer
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your question could I do that I don't think I could but as a caveat I certainly believe in love absolutely