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The Philadelphia Flyers have signed defenseman Jamie Drysdale to a four-year, $26 million contract extension, the team announced on Friday afternoon. That’s an average annual value (AAV) of $6.5 M for the 24-year-old.
Steve Jacot and Jacob Russell react to the news and how it affects the Flyers' long-term plans for the team.
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Hey everybody, Steve Chico here from
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Broad Street Hockey. Waiting to see if
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anybody else from BSH can join me to
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talk about this, but we'll find out in a
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moment or so if that's going to be the
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case. If not, I am here to talk about
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this Jamie Dale contract. And that's
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right, the last big pending RFA for your
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Philadelphia Flyers has signed with the
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team. Jaime Dale electing to avoid
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arbitration signs a four-year $6.5
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million cap hit with the Philadelphia
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Flyers. And that's great for the Flyers
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to have everything pretty much locked
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down. You don't want to go in
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arbitration. It's a nasty process.
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Nobody likes arbitration. It's not fun
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for anybody. They drag up all the dirt.
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They just try to disparage you and make
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you seem like you're not that good at
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the game when you know you're good at
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the game. And Jamie Ddale is somebody
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who has really come leaps and bounds
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since that initial cutter goautier
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trade. You know, when they first got
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him, we were all like, uh, is this guy
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any good at defense? Can he even play
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the position that he's here for? Can he
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even give us the offensive component
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that he's supposed to be able to give?
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And he's really come a long way with
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that. you know, his his numbers maybe
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are not quite the offensive dynamo that
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you would expect them to be given his
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reputation, but overall, Jamie Ddale has
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turned into a super super solid player
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for the Philadelphia Flyers this past
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season at age 23, posting 32 points in
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78 games played, eight goals, and 24
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assists. But just considering how
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reliable he's become on the back end,
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how solid of a player he's been, and how
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the cap is rising, that six and a half
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mil a season really seems like good
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value for him. Now, the interesting
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thing for the Flyers and Danny Brriier
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and Keith Jones, is that this is another
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four-year deal, just like Trevor Zegris.
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So the Flyers, it seems like in four
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years are going to have to make a lot of
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big decisions and you know it's there's
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good and bad, right? You want to get
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them locked down to that term wherever
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you can. Tyson Forester, we all love
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that deal. 7.1 mil takes them through to
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2035, which doesn't even sound like a
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real year. It sounds completely fake to
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me, but it's real. And they have him
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signed until then. And if he turns into
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a 30 goal, 30 goal a year scorer, that's
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really really good for the Flyers. Now
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with Dale, you're just hoping for him to
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continue to be solid and maybe up those
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offensive numbers a little bit. If he
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can get you doubledigit goals in the
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season, that's really good. 6 and a half
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mil, that's nice. That's actually more
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than Travis Sanheim by what, a quarter
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of a million right there. So, you know,
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Dale, I think that's going to be a solid
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deal for him, but what's his raise going
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to look like if he's very good over this
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period in 203031?
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And then the other thing about that is
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that all the best friends on this team,
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right, their year, their deals are
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expiring for the 203031
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season. So that of course I'm talking
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about Trevor Ziggress who just signed
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the other day and Cam York who is signed
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uh at a 5.15 mil a season cap hit until
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2030
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31. So are the Flyers costs going to go
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up exponentially at that point? This is
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very much a question for the future
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right here because you're also got to
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think at that point you know Noah Kates
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is going to be an RFA in 2029 2030.
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what's your future with him? Uh Sean
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Couttori does come off the books at that
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point. So that's very nice for the
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Flyers, but you're going to have to
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worry about a lot of the youngsters who
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are really going to come up and get
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bigger deals. And of course, I'm
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thinking about Porter Martone who hits
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his RFA season in 2028 29 and Matt
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Vishkov who hits his RFA season next
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year. And if Matt Mishkov has a big
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year, I'm sure he's going to be
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demanding a big old figure there as he
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should. But hey, let's think about the
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present, right? And for the next couple
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years, the Flyers have a pretty pretty
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good cap situation going right now. So,
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current cap space per puckedia. Perfect
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timing for Jacob Russell to join me
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right here. Let's add him to the stage
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and we will get this all stacked on top
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of each other. Jacob, how you doing
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today?
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>> Hey, you know, live from the train
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platform here. have to uh get this one
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in and then mute my mic because they
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keep doing announcements every six
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seconds. But pretty good deal, eh Joe?
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Uh Steve, it's not not looking too bad
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for Jim Jimbo there.
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>> I I'm one of the only guys not named Joe
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in my family, so I'll take umbrage at
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that one. But I have seven Joe's in my
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family, which is wild to think about.
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But uh no, I agree. I I think it's a
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pretty good deal right here. I've just
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kind of been, you know, free form
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scattered thoughts for the past few
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minutes. But uh yeah, man. I like the
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deal. I think they have good cap space
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for the next few years. Uh, per
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Puckedia, the current cap space is
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$13,940,416.
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So, that gives them room to maybe make a
5:07
move in the season. I think the only
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pending RFA at this point is Nikita
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Gbankin, who what's that? A mill.
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>> Who knows? Who even knows what he's
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going to what's going to happen to him?
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>> I don't know. I don't even know what to
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think about him because they also have
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uh Nolachari already in there and Alex
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Bump and Denver Barky. There's a lot of
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mouths to feed for the Philadelphia
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Flyers forward core, but on defense, you
5:28
needed to lock down a guy like this. You
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know, the the defense is solid, but they
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don't have a lot in the pipeline right
5:34
now. So, having NHL ready guys that can
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help them out, having that I I guess
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steadiness with Dry Stale is really
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nice. I My big question is though, what
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do they do when him, Zegris, and York
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all are up for new deals, UFA deals in
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four years? I think you can just kind of
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cross that bridge when you get there at
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this point. Right. I mean,
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>> right
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>> with
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>> with Dale personally to me, I I look at
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him as a guy, we saw the defensive
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aspect of his game really take off when
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I don't think anybody necessarily
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thought that was going to be the case.
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He looked like a real top four defender.
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Um, same with York, honestly, right?
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like these guys didn't really find their
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offensive game uh that people
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necessarily thought they could have when
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they were drafted, but they've played
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such a solid role on the team that you
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can't really expect much more or to pay
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them much less. And for a guy like
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Disil, if he's able to, let's say, pick
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up the pace and become a at least even a
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power play two quarterback,
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it's a steal of a deal for a guy like
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him. And just I don't think that there's
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any downside to this. you get him and
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Ziggress at at a just what is that a bit
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over $15 million a year per per year. I
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mean I I I really don't have any
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complaints about I think it's fair
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market value. Maybe a little bit under
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for a guy like Dale. Obviously he's
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going to go back to UFA like you said,
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but yeah, I can't pretty tidy bit of
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business for Danny Brriier. I think Dale
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wanted to stay. He's found a bit of a
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home in Philly after, you know, the
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Ducks necessarily didn't believe in him
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in the same capacity. And you know, the
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beat goes on. I think they they have
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rebounded nicely from the whole Carlson
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thing. Lock up the guys that you have
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and and it's been a been a pretty good
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tidy bit of business for Danny Breier. I
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can't complain.
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>> Yeah, for sure. And I think a lot of
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people are going to be disappointed with
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this off seasonason, but overall like he
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signed the guys to fair market value
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that were pending RFAS. And on top of
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that, he really upgraded the backup
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goalender position. So overall, this
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this offseason feels like a win even
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though it doesn't feel like a win in a
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way. It feels like kind of treading
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water, but it's not because upgrading
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from Arison to Wall was really big. Now,
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I was talking about this with Ryan
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Gilbert when we were talking about the
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Zegris deal the other day, but I think
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one of the worries with these two deals
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where after seeing what they offered
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Carlson, maybe these guys wanted more.
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Maybe they saw that and were like, "Hey,
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there's more money in the bank. Maybe I
7:57
can get some of that." But ultimately,
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their cap hits end up right around where
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we expected them. And I I think a lot of
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credit has to go out to the Flyers front
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office for negotiating with their guys,
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keeping the expectations where they need
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to be and getting that fair value for
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them at the end of the day.
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>> And I'd say as well too, you you we
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sometimes get annoyed. Oh, there goes
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the announcement again.
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>> I can't hear it.
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>> Oh, you can? That's perfect. Um yeah,
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they're really loud and incessant here.
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But
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>> the noise is crushing it. [laughter]
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>> Oh, fantastic. Fantastic. the you look
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at um just the sort of cohesive unit
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that they've built here with Zagris with
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guys like Tippet, Forcer, Connectney,
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Sanheim, the guys year over year over
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year who who have showed up and they
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really just seem to enjoy playing with
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one another and that gives you a leg up.
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You know, we do get annoyed with the
8:49
Flyers family rhetoric sometimes and uh
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there there is some truth to that,
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especially in the past, but
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these guys want to play together.
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Disresale and Zagris want to play
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together. You know, all these guys are
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tight-knit group. They they saw what
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they could do in the playoffs when they
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were undermanned. And I think it just is
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is one of those things where they want
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to see where this goes. And I almost
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like the fact that you can re-evaluate
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all of these guys in the future when you
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have an Oliver Bon coming into the
9:17
lineup. and you have 1,500 different
9:19
wingers and and three C's, you know,
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floating around. It seems like you can
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say Brier's just saying this window,
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we've got a good good amount of time to
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to kind of see where it goes and then
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from there you can uh you can
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re-evaluate and and hope that the next
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wave of guys are are ready to come in
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without having that those cap hits
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hanging over your head. Even though, you
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know, they're they're pretty they're
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pretty reasonable. I mean, 6.25 25 for
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for a guy like Jamie Ddale with that
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skill set. If if he was 6'3 being a $9
9:49
million defenseman at this point, right?
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Like that's just the difference for him.
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It really is that. And like I said
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before, if he's able to pick up that
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offensive game again, you know, you're
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looking at an absolute steal.
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>> Yeah. And one of the things I was saying
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just before you got on was I'd love to
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see him get to double digit goals. And a
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lot of that goes with the power play. If
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they can improve the power play next
10:08
year, a big part of that is going to be
10:10
on the back of these two RFAs. It's on
10:12
the backs of Jamie Destale and Trevor
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Ziggress. So, these are key guys and
10:17
over the next four years, you're going
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to see like what kind of team they are
10:20
with them. And that gives them that
10:22
flexibility to say, "Hey, maybe it is
10:23
time to move on in four years if it's
10:26
not quite working out." So, I like these
10:28
deals. Again, you got to like the cap
10:30
hit. You got to like that it gives them
10:32
flexibility for future moves. if they
10:34
can take a big swing and another Leo
10:35
Carlson type or if a Conor McDavid or
10:37
somebody becomes available, they have
10:40
flexibility to try and make a move like
10:42
that, which is really big because we
10:43
know Brier desperately wants to make a
10:45
move like that.
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>> Yeah. And as the train pulls up to the
10:49
station, man, I'm trying to talk over it
10:50
and this is not going to work this time.
10:52
This is not going to work this time. But
10:55
you do look at it and say
10:58
that there is a nucleus of guys if not
11:00
at the top top level talent. There is a
11:03
nucleus of guys who are really solid NHL
11:05
hockey players and you know I really
11:08
just I'm feeling really positive about
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it. It surprised me. I know that there's
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people who wanted the big move as the
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brakes squeal and squeak beside me.
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>> Can't hear it.
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>> That's fantastic. I'm very surprised
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about that.
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>> Uh it's just a team that is cohesive.
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They want to play with one another and
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they have a ceiling like you said with
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the power play. If they're able to get
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back to the point that they think
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they're they're they're able to get to,
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it's going to be it's going to be a
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pretty damn good unit, right? It's just
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it just is that winark of the uh of the
11:43
team that as a unit as it's not one guy
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who's going to change it. It's not the
11:47
coach that's going to change it. It's
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it's just going to have to be something
11:51
they figure out together and they have
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the skill, the requisite skill. I think
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to be able to do that.
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>> Well, beautiful. And I think that's a
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great note to leave off on as you depart
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on your train there. Thank you so much
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for joining us today, Jacob. And uh
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we'll sign off for you and I'll just uh
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wrap it up over for the viewers. But
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thank you again.
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>> Cheers, Steve.
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>> All right. And that was Jacob Russell
12:15
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12:17
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