Flyers Offer Sheet Leo Carlsson (5x$18M) + Claude Giroux is Coming Home

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where breaking news holy shit this is unbelievable the flyers have offered leo carlson an offer

sheet which he has signed with the flyers carrying an 18 million dollars aav on a five-year deal

word is the contract is heavily front-loaded anaheim has seven days to match or they'll receive

four first round picks this compensation this is per chris johnston who is an extremely reliable

source he's not wrong ever the flyers tweeted out themselves it's it's it's official this is this

is official yeah this is crazy it's amazing because i literally just finished flyperbole

with ryan quigley like i don't know maybe a half hour ago i'm literally working on editing it right

now and i don't know if i want to put it out right now it's a great show i'm putting it out

Like, this is crazy. So, you know, just to get to the heart of it, right? The Flyers number one need has been an exciting young center, somebody to help this franchise really take the next leap and be a franchise cornerstone moving forward. We've joked, we've talked about Leo Carlson as like an ideal target, but not a realistic target. And we talked about them being aggressive and maybe doing this. This is a rare move in NHL history. Not a lot of GMs will pull the lever on this offer sheet

uh the biggest example we can think of is paul holmgren for the philadelphia flyers with shea

weber boy what about 12 years ago now so let's start you know jacob your eyes are insane right

now jacob's shaking jacob is shaking i uh i i so back little quick background i woke up at 4 45

today so i was in i was i was trying to get a quick like hour yes yes wow anyways that's besides

the point i don't give a shit about that um i uh so i just i just jumped out of off the couch

essentially and and this is this is one of the ballsiest moves maybe in nhl history um

it's the biggest contract anyone's ever been offered right there's nothing near 18 million

dollars uh on a five-year deal i mean it does say cj chris johnson did say it's it's heavily

front-loaded but um regardless of that it's it's an unbelievable unbelievable swing from danny

brayer it's something that i don't even think we thought was possible because it's just it's so

massive i mean it's a huge number but this is a guy in leo carlson who since he was drafted

has looked like a a number one center bona fide the entire way through he's still so young

um and i am just absolutely floored 21 years old the advanced stats love them the other stats love

them the normal stats love them there's nothing to look at with this guy and find a negative it's

just you know the sticker shock of 18 million once you get past that absolutely insane yeah my eyes

do look absolutely nuts right now you look bonkers by frame but there's good reason because this is

such a ballsy aggressive move this is not going to make danny breyer friends around the league

this is not going to but here's the thing at the end of the day you have to do this kind of big

move big bold move especially if you want to put the flyers back on the map and make them a top

tier franchise again and if you add leo carlson to porter martone matt vay mishkoff tyson forester

you got a hell of a stew going baby you know we've been talking about claude geru and i love

claude geru to bits i think he should finish his career here i don't give a shit about claude

right now ryan quigley's oh we got this is great but like i don't give a shit about claude

drew because leo carlson this is the future my friend all right wait so all right quigley i mean

i haven't heard from gilbs yet yeah let me go here let me go here okay danny briere haters in

absolute shambles right now everyone's been hating on what he's doing they've missed out

on carlson wierenski didn't want to come here whatever else leo carlson this is just absolutely

insane pat verbeek said he'll match it but let's see if he has the balls to do so because then the

ducks have to sign our good friend cutter gotier their defenses in complete shambles and like

jacob said leo carlson bonafide number one center he put up 45 points in the start are the ducks two

years ago when they were bad 67 points this past season he is the guy that he's the guy you wanted

he's the guy that my good friend joe joe damarini says oh we could offer she leo carlson i'm like

No, that's not going to happen, but it happened. It happened here. Yeah, Quicks, what do you got

So, Steve, when we were doing flyperbole, I said that I was soaking for Sokolovsky

You know what I'm doing right now? You're soaking. I don't know if I want to hear it

I'm coming for Carlson. I knew it was coming. I knew it was coming

Wait, wait, wait. Let's get it signed. David Pignata said Claude Giroux is signing with the Flyers

Oh, my is going on. What is this? What the is going on

What's happening? What's happening? Whoa. Is this my NHL 28 save

Like, the game hasn't even come out yet. It's like Danny Breer saw the Sixers get Jalen Brown

I was like, all right, all right. I got to do something. Honestly, this has been a wild 24 hours or 48 hours now since the ��

because Jalen Brown, yeah. Now, hold on. Before we go any further, the Ducks are matching this

Probably. They have $35 million in cap space. They're going to match it

I would be stunned if they don't match it. They've told teams, according to Elliott Friedman

they have told teams that they guarantee that they will match any offer sheet thrown their way

Could be famous last words. Would be really, really funny. It would be hilarious

It would be hilarious. But it would be funny if they're just like, do it. We'll match it

Watch us. And then someone doesn't. They're like, , we're not going to match it

But from what I can tell, they have $35 million in cap space

They have more cap space than any team in the NHL right now. They're probably, if I had to guess, they're not going to let their 21-year-old franchise center just walk

I don't think that's going to happen. But the fact that Leo Carlson just did this and the fact that he said, yeah, I'd go to Philly

Exactly to what you guys were just kind of saying and to what you were just saying, Gilbs, you know, people saying that Danny Breyer doesn't have it and that Philly's not a destination, this, that and the third

that kind of completely throws all that out the window because one of these premier young players

one of the top young centers in hockey period willingly said yeah i'd go to philly and could

that be a negotiation tactic on his part to try and get the ducks to raise their offer absolutely

it could 100 but the fact that this happened has me feeling like i just took x and i'm

I mean, hard as a rock, so unbelievable. Solid as a rock

So in one day, you're essentially maybe going from the power play is dog shit beyond belief

to you get Leo Carlson Giroux Martone Zgris Drysdale Konechny Sanheim Mischkoff You know like the amount of weapons could exponentially increase out of nowhere

Out of literally nowhere. I mean, the other Carlson. What are we even talking about

John Carlson. No offense to John Carlson. Best days are behind him

You're getting a 21-year-old. Like, he's not even close to his peak

he's seven years from his peak. Quiggs is right, though. The Ducks are probably, like

we don't want to break it down too soon, but the Ducks are probably going to match it. But, like, this just shows that Danny Breer

once he pointed to this offseason, it was supposed to be a good free agency class

unrestricted. There's still some other restricted free agents out there. Adam Fantilli, they could, like

imagine the Ducks match this, then the Flyers are like, all right, Adam Fantilli, come on down

Like this, but if they don't match, you got Carlson 1C, Drew's in here as a third-line guy

Zigeris can maybe go back to wing. Like, I have their daily face-off up without Drew and without Carlson

You add those two guys to it. Like, this team is just right behind the Hurricanes and the Metro

Like, this is a playoff team. With the goaltending tandem of Ladar and Wall

I don't know how Leo Carlson is on the power play, but he can't be worse than what the Flyers had

Four power play goals. 14 power play assists last season. So it's just absolute whirlwind right now

It's an absolute whirlwind. I just wanted to read real quick this tweet from Charlie O'Connor

So Carlson isn't an elite center yet, but at 21, he does look like he's on the trajectory to become one

67 points in 70 games last year. Solid underlying metrics. Passes the eye test with flying colors

Good skater. Ideal size for the center position. Basically everything the Flyers need

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, projecting the future. he is he is the guy that you would want as the centerpiece even if he doesn't necessarily get to

a 90 100 point pace which he totally could in the future um you know i gotta remember he's still 21

like some guys don't even make the nhl at 21 um like it's he plays a two-way game he's big enough

it is a guy that like you're not gonna worry like it's not one of those like trevor you're getting a

photocopied Trevor Zegers where he has some deficiencies in his game you don't know if he

can play center you don't know if he's a long-term winger like he is a centerman and he is a damn good

one at the very least he will be a 2c for a long time to come barring anything to happen and while

the ducks will probably match right you said the 35 million in cap space that 18 million dollar deal

cuts that in half plus you got to sign you know the guy you got to sign cutter that he's going to

want 10 he's going to hold you over a barrel because that's who he is and back at seneca in

two years i could seneca in 28 29 he's probably going to want nine two minimum so you know and

that's not even uh looking back at uh you know they just signed jackson lacombe and and they

need a lot more defensemen there's there's a lot of holes on their defense uh and and in net for

the ducks right they currently right now it's lucas dostal but they got a bunch of guys who

behind him you know peter marasik lauren brossois billy huso i don't know you know you probably want

a guy who can really play back there but i guess that'll work for right now um you know their best

defenseman jackson lacombe nick jensen ian moore helleson tristan leno Tyson hines and minchikov

like you're gonna need at least three defensemen also they just got rid of zellweger right so um

This puts Pat Verbeek in a real bind here, and he's going to have to match it

You feel like he's going to have to match it. You cannot let Leo Carlson go. He's the one guy out of that whole project, I think, that you really, really want to hang on to

But, man, what an absolute power move by Breer and Jonesy to try and get this done

And I mean, in a world, you know, where it seems like now the, you know, guys like John Chayka coming back into the fold who was, you know, kind of cast off Stan Bowman's an idiot and a bad person

And he's still in the NHL. So, like, I don't know if the relations between GMs are the same when we had like Colin Campbell doing it back in like 2013 or whatever, where everyone's like in one boys club and we're all Doug Armstrong

like all these guys are just completely tied at the hip and won't step on each other's toes

it it it's over now we're in a new world it indeed and uh thank you by the way

saying hi to the 240 plus people currently tuned into the live stream give us a like

inscribing all that good stuff thank you guys for being the best quigs i think you were saying

something when uh jacob jumped in there real quick yeah go ahead yeah well i was gonna say

Like, you know, one thing that this definitely does is this screws up the Anaheim Ducks plan completely, because I'm sure that they weren't expecting to have to pay this kind of price tag for Leo Carlson

I'm sure that, you know, when they were setting up their budget for the next, you know, several years or whatever, I'm sure what they did not have in mind was 18 million AAV for Leo Carlson

this really screws up the ducks and something that they have to think about is like okay well

if we give him 18 mil per year a av front loaded of course so that's something to keep

into consideration but if they were to do that what does it mean for exactly like the point

jacob was just making what does it mean for cutter what does it mean for beckett seneca

And you do have to, if you're Pat Verbeek, you do have to sit there and be like, damn, four first-round picks

Like, four first-round picks? Like, you know, that's interesting. And then on top of that, something to note for the Flyers, they can only have the Flyers' first-round picks

So the Flyers still have Toronto's. If this goes through, if the Flyers get Leo Carlson, Jesus, that's wild to be saying right now

But if that were to happen, and the off chance that they do not match

the Flyers will still have a first-run pick in next year's draft. And it will be tremendous

So that's just something to keep in mind. And the whole thing with screwing over GMs, like Pat Verbeek

I imagine Danny Breer has more friends than Pat Verbeek. I don't think anyone's friends with Pat Verbeek

Yeah, exactly. And you've already have this rivalry with the Ducks on the ice

Why not? Why not have it in the front office as well? Yeah, they're probably going to match

But Piper B came out and said, we have to match everything. So we're going to match it no matter what

So either he matches it or he's just in the cuck chair for the next five years

with Leo Carlson in Philadelphia. And you look at, like, obviously the whole Cutter saga, the Drysdale thing

the Zegers thing, like you guys are saying, there is already some animosity there

And I'm sure Danny is not blind to what team Cutter Gauthier currently plays for

And I'm sure that like that it probably didn't play a fact

You want Leo Carlson. I know you're not just trying to screw over people at any term, but like that sort of like

rift between the front offices, between the rosters in general, it's pretty, you know

you don have to worry about necessarily pissing anybody off because you kind of already did Everyone already pissed off between these two teams And like you said with the four first round picks I look at the ducks right now Okay If you let say they don match Carlson I don know why you wouldn do that but let

say they don't, right? You can look at the roster. You have Mikel Granlund, Crider

Killorn, Vitrano, Greer, Ryan Poehling, shout out. All these guys, right? All old guys up on

forward you can just recycle the clock with four new first round picks and you still have goche you

still have seneca you still have jackson lacombe and maybe the ducks think okay we made a little

bit of a stride here but our defense really let us down maybe we can't build um especially with

old man q as the coach who's also a bad person um maybe we can't build on offense only especially

with these old heads we got here now Kreider and Killorn obviously are free agents

after this season so they're probably gone anyways but there is going to be a bit of turnover on that roster it's

not insane to see a world where they just think we'll push the timeline two years down the line

we still got a couple good centerpieces on Ford and we'll have a ton of guys who can either

trade these picks or we can go and take another batch of all

of these dudes coming in over the next four years whatever it is

just to try and restart the clock as it were. That takes a little bit of squinting to see that picture

but I'm squinting, baby. I'm rubbing dirt in my eye. Like, we got to – why not

Why not? I love that. We saw this. We jumped up off our couch to cut the McGrath's podcast

Claude Giroux saw this. He jumped up off his couch, called Danny Breyer and said, I'm back, baby

He said, sorry, I don't want to play with Conor McDavid. You son of a . I don't want to play on the wing of Conor McDavid

I'm coming back. No, yeah. I'm not going to Toronto and that garbage. I'm not going to Colorado

No, I'm coming home to Philly, finishing my career here. And it's just, I don't even know what to say

Carlson, Carlson completely, like, I don't want to get, we obviously are very excited because this is happening

Like, they're probably going to match. But even if they match, this shows other players like

hey, the Flyers are for real here. The Flyers are going to be like, all right, maybe Dylan Larkin

Robert Thomas, Zach Berenczak. Like, okay, maybe we will go to Philly if they're willing to pay Carlson

Maybe not those guys exactly, but the next tier of disgruntled USA players

that are like, okay, we'll come play with Segras and Cam York and Drysdale. Well, you know, we were just talking about this on FLYPE, Steve and I

but, you know, one thing to note is that, you know, let's pretend things go awry in Edmonton, right

And Conor McDavid, he's looking for a place to go, or this season goes badly and players are hesitant to go to Edmonton

because no one wants to play for Mike Babcock. Are the Oilers really just going to let Connor McDavid walk for nothing

I don't think they would. I really don't think that would be a possibility. And I do know that we – you know, someone published online, you know

the EJ Raddick thing of him saying that he would be – that Connor McDavid would be interested in going to the Flyers

like you know that's i don't know how accurate that is but it would make sense and a move like

this shows that danny briar is willing to i mean we've been talking all off season where's the big

swing right this is a swing for the fences and um i freaking love it if it works if it works or not

like will it be a bummer if it doesn't work out yeah absolutely but you know what the fact that

they're even trying this is such a huge huge change from what we were used to under the

chuck fletcher regime nothing like oh my god like you talk about a bias for action and we always say

that's sneering for him because it was a joke it was a sick joke because trades are hard when you're

chuck fletcher this is danny briere saying no no no this shit is just about being aggressive

because what we've always said about the ownership right like with comcast and everything xfinity is

okay people say sell the team and all that but i don't think it's ever been a problem of money

maybe having somebody like hilford he's been great about being involved in the day-to-day

and i really have liked that from him but overall like there's always been the financial backing

the flyers have never been afraid to spend money and this is the caps going up let's throw it all

on the table and make a big aggressive move because while we all assume they're gonna match

no matter what and i wonder if he had an inkling this was coming when he said that

18 million is a hell of a lot of money on that cap. As you were saying, that's like half that available space

That's a lot of money to allocate to one player. And the Flyers are going to have to worry about their own guys in a couple of years

They have to worry about Porter Martone, hopefully Matt Van Mishkoff. There are guys they are going to have to worry about in this, but they've also signed really

good contracts like Tyson Forrester and everything that Tyson Forrester contract rocks. And I think Carlson just at this money is just a wildly bold move

there is an outside chance the ducks say let's make a deal or this is just too damn much money

because the 18 million guys 18 million you know it's the most it's the biggest aav in nhl history

if it is end up being it does end up being 18 million but surpasses caprizov's contract

you know it'd be kind of funny like and this would actually be you know funny for the ducks

it would be kind of rock star behavior if the ducks like in 10 minutes were like oh hey no we

signed him just now. I'm refreshing. All right, fine. We'll just sign him now

It would be funny if we rode this high for all of, what, 20 minutes

And then... For those 20 minutes. And we still have the Claude Giroux high. Claude Giroux

once that... I gotta make the I'm coming home edit. I still gotta do that. I haven't even thought

about that yet. How many different songs I can put under an Instagram reel

I don't know if we should do a Diddy song or not. but yeah on top of that like there is excitement about Giroux coming home legitimately by over 400

now thank you guys so much keep it up let's keep on going yeah Claude Giroux coming home another

thing we talked about we talked a lot about this week and I haven't seen the final details on that

how long the contract is the cap it if somebody sees that please bring it up but that's really

cool. And that's a huge factor for this year's Flyers, no matter what, because number one

it's super cool just to see Claude Drew hopefully finish his career with the Flyers. But on top of

that, such a big benefit to the power play, great guy to play anywhere in the lineup. And again

I know there are concerns about it blocking a Barkie or a bump from playing more time

They're going to get their time. Claude Drew is 39 years old. They're going to get their time

let's make this team better now he can play on literally any line one through four yeah I mean

Giroux I just I can't see a negative about it I know there's some people who

there there is a narrative about Claude and when he left and and the sort of um

the the feeling around the organization when he left was very negative and people thought like he

was the one of the problems his leadership in the room wasn't necessarily great I never really

believed any of that. I never thought they surrounded him with a great team

Jake Voracek was good. Wayne Simmons was one of my favorite players. But at the end of the

day they never had that sort of top top to your team You look at a Florida now a Tampa in the past Colorado Those guys you know the Flyers were never the Giroux teams

the Giroux Flyers were never at that level. So now you bring him back with a young team

play Martone and Giroux on opposite wings with Leo Carlson down the middle

Like this is, that's a dream. That is a dream that I could have never thought of

And if you look at Anaheim and just the potential moves that they could make

right if they deem Carlson not to be um worth 18 million dollars a year which is a ton of money

it's a possibility it's a very distinct possibility then then you can see maybe even a domino effect

that maybe they say okay now we're gonna go get fantilly maybe we got four first round picks we

wait for mcdavid to become unsettled we're just gonna launch it at mcdavid and see if he wants

to come down south i don't know if connor mcdavid does that he's kind of thinks very weird he asked

for mike babcock yeah he asked for mike babcock well i didn't expect him to be a very good interior

designer but but it's just one of those things that you're in a completely different world than

yesterday like it's totally changed regardless of carlson signs or not he has signed but regardless

of whether or not it gets matched um jamie dry style extension official too on top of that yeah

i i'm i'm seeing that i don't know i have to check that but i was talking what happened

Did Danny Breer just do a couple shots of espresso and go, let's go

He might be doing something heavier than that. I don't know what the hell is going on at the moment

but I'm not going to get him tripped up. I'm not seeing Drysdale anywhere too reputable as of yet

I saw four years at $6.25 million somewhere last night. It looks to be like what it could be

I think that's similar to the Trevor Sandheim cafe, which is a great deal for Jamie Drysdale

If you give him that, Forrester, a great deal. Like, even if the Ducks match this offer sheet for Leo Carlson

this is a great offseason now for the Flyers. Even if the Flyers didn't do the offer sheet like now we have

they actually put it out there. They add the depth. They get Giroux home

They get Forrester and Drysdale to good extensions. We'll see what the Zegris thing comes in at

This is some more tidy business by Danny Breyer. And I was prepared to come on here today with that

even if Carlson didn't do that. But you were talking about doing like a happy hour stream

Well, yeah. We'll just take it easy. There's not much going on. Yeah. Yeah. Casual

Hop on with Jacob around four. And then this thing hit. Cause like, yeah, it's been disappointing not having players come here

but now we have Leo Carlson coming here and Claude Giroux coming back. And the Flyers have a goalie tandem now

Can hopefully have a power play that isn't awful. Their floor is raised so much

And if Carlson is here, their ceiling is, their ceiling's the sky

I like this post from Joe Yarden. who said noted joke uh noted noted jerk joe yardan who said the shea webber offer sheet

deal just ended and now the flyers celebrate it by hitting signing leo carlson to a whopper of a

sheet what kind of bizarre world are we living in right now because we have a good goalie tandem

uh the flyers are doing fun stuff uh jalen brown i guess on his podcast said it and this is a quote

this is a jalen brown quote he said the process is back mother the is going on

chris johnson just said philly sports philly sports right now are out of control chris johnson

just put out there are rumblings this may not be the only offer sheet of the day in the nhl yes

so stay tuned it up jeff merrick just just uh tweeted something um he said uh so an offer

sheet for min uh minchkov minchkov minchkov at 4.7 mil only costs a second so it feels like

i wonder you know it'd be really funny what if teams what if danny briere is orchestrating

just an all-out assault on the ducks like someone else is about to overpay

who's gonna come in and like that's some dude that's some spy craft this is that offer sheet

cutter gotier i have like boston come in or i don't think he's where's kevin hayes at nowadays

what's coming in pittsburgh i believe this is crazy yeah no no there was somebody mentioned

go to okay so shana goldman had said it's so lucky gotier isn't offer sheet eligible because

another team could throw a massive wrench in the ducks plans with that oh they'd be screwed 18 mil

is just a it is a staggering amount because it's what just a hair under two mil under what you can

offer a guy like the max you can offer this is as close to a max contract as you can get in the nhl

to go for a player that they're really hoping will reach that level because even if the flyers don't

get him ultimately and i hope they do this is like if he ends up sucking for the ducks this is a

massive albatross for like three four years i don't think that's going to happen but it's very

funny if it works out like that it's extremely funny it's a win-win it's a win to get to get a

first to get a true potential number one center and to give up four first round picks for it

And one of those years you have the Leafs pick, as we pointed out, then, I mean, come on

that's a bargain. That's a bargain because they keep taking these chances. Like, okay

maybe Jet Luchanko will be a two or three C, maybe Nesbitt will be a two or three C

maybe Berglund. And look, I still have hopes for all those guys, but guess what

They, Leo Carlson at the end of the day, 500 plus, get those legs up. Thank you

folks you're the best uh you know carlson is another level than all these guys you know it

it is hard to overstate i mean if he was a ufa he's getting 14 15 it's hard to even imagine if

he's a ufa he's still 21 years old he doesn't get to ufa for god knows how long right um i think

this takes like a year off it or something like that yeah you know what one year one year of ufa

one year of you would be he would be a ufa in 2030 if there was no uh offer sheet uh right now

right so by the time he's 2030 if he hit the open market he's getting 25 million dollars a year the

way the cap's going like that's not even a joke that's just how the cap has been has been moving

up it's been increasing year upon year the nhl you know is finding revenue from all corners of

well north america not really the globe but uh and it's it's it's just a insane insane deal uh to

to even consider and it really does put the put the ducks in a bind there it really does

i have a question can you is our teams allowed to offer sheet

two questions are teams allowed to offer sheet multiple players in one off season

and I don't think it's ever been done. Oh, no, the Blues did it

The Blues just did it. The Blues just did it with the Oilers. The Blues did it with Holloway and Broberg. And so they are allowed to offer sheets

Yeah, so multiple players on the same team. Okay. It's happened. Why not like, yeah, I don't know

Minchikov and Carlson. Oh, my God. Let's just go nuts. You want to get nuts

Let's get nuts. 4.7 is nothing. Elliott Friedman did kind of predict this

He did say right before, you know, around the draft, like, I've heard that there will be offer sheets

There could be offer sheets going on. I mean, we already saw it with Seattle. Seattle tried it with Jason Robertson

That failed. Yeah. spectacularly that was credit to him for trying but um that went real bad for them he that

immediately did not work but um still still like it's like we're seeing offer sheets happening

and i want more give me offer sheets i want this injected like a heroin needle right in my i

shouldn't sorry i shouldn't make that you're a madman today i've been on i've been pretty drugs

You're on one. You're on one. I was going to say, I've been weird today. It's because he's cooped up

It's the heat. It's the heat, yeah. It's the heat, not the humidity. My brain might actually be cooked

The wet heat. It is a wet heat. The night was moist

But ultimately, here's the thing. This is crazy. And this is, I think, the craziest thing that we could see the Flyers doing

I can't get over the sheer amount of money involved in this. And the salary cap implications for the Flyers, if this does go through, are insane

We're going to have to do an entire podcast just to pull that apart because that's going to affect Porter Martone

That's going to affect Matthew Mischoff. That's going to affect Trevor's egress, all that stuff

But let's celebrate in the meantime, because this is a big, bold, aggressive move

This is what we have been begging for. It's just fun. This is a fun thing that's going on that we haven't experienced in years

Would you say it's been a while? One could say that it's been a while

But it is. It's a fun situation that we're living through right now

And this is exactly like we were saying. This is exactly what we've been wanting to see. We've been wanting to see Danny Breyer come out and do something like this, do something big that has the whole NHL talking. That's what this is. And whether it falls through or it doesn't fall through, it goes in the Flyers' favor, whatever scenario happens, this is really, really big for the Philadelphia Flyers and for Danny Breyer

And I'm just really excited that he decided to go this route and really just disrupt the whole NHL ecosystem right now, because that's what this is doing

I mean, this is this is a earth shaking thing in the NHL. And Danny Breer is right there at the very center of it

So people who have criticized Danny Breer for, you know, not doing enough or not or not doing too much

I mean, you can't you can't say anything now. Well, you can't do anything more than this

You can't, you literally can't. And, and while the 18 is eye watering and I, you know, I understand how it would be. You look at, you know, a guy like, let's say, let's say Nathan McKinnon signed for 12, six in 2023. Okay. The cap was a much different. It's about the percentage of the cap. I don't know all those numbers. I don't have, like, my brain can't think about that right now. Like, I don't care about the cap. I can't even stop shaking my knee. You just can't see it

um so you you look at a guy like that right and as the cap is going up exponentially it seems

regardless of you know the larger economy and other boring stuff and that's depressing i don't

care about the economy at all nobody gives a shit about that i don't give a shit about that no it's all about leo carlson it's all about leo and you you look at how if you get another

five mil over the next 10 years in the next two years by the way added to the cap um i don't think

it's that crazy especially if it is front loaded and it goes down to let's say 14 that's not insane

for leo carlson if the ducks were to sign an extension for him it's definitely double digits

if they were to try to buy out the rest of his rfa years and sign him to uh his ufa years pardon me

and sign him to an extension it would have been at least 13 i don't see a way um unless his agent

is like a complete idiot the ducks didn't pay him at least 13 million dollars so the flyers you know

we'll pay a bunch up front but at the same time i don't think it's so out of the realm of possibility

to especially for such a young guy a guy who's not in his prime a guy who should have

i don't know he could have 12 years of great hockey ahead of him here's my fun it's unbelievable

here's my fun question for you if leo carlson if this goes through and the flyers do in fact

get leo carlson right who's your ideal line mates for him well that's what i was going to bring up

because I was looking at his line mates last season. He played with Chris Kreider and Troy Terry for 390 minutes

Also played with Cutter Gautier and Chris Kreider for 96 minutes. The guy who only hits a goalie and then the guy who hits no one at all

So I think you put him with Martone and Konechny up there

Like, is that where you go with up there? You can do anything

You can put Barky there. You can put Giroux there. You could put Forster there

You could put Carl there. You could put Carl there. I got Jacob Russell

I'll play 1L dub I'll have at least 25 points I'll stand in front of the net

I'll probably break my spine Logan Stanley will crumple me eventually but I'll get a couple off my foot

you don't have to do much to think about Carlson succeeding in

basically any situation especially when there's a glut of wingers I'd even mention Tippett No

Well, who knows if Tippett's still here, if you have Carlson and Giroux in the play

That's another thing. But I just wanted to reset things here. 555 people, like, subscribe

We're going to keep this going all day long, all summer long. But Flyers tend to..

I was like, I want to stream for a bit, but all day long seems excessive. Rossery Hockey channel, all summer long

Five years, $18 million a year. The Ducks have seven days to match that

And Claude Giroux is reportedly returning to Philadelphia. according to David Pagnotta

I'm waiting for that verification. We know right now. I really want to see what that cap hit is ultimately for Giroux

I'm very excited about it, but I want to see what the cap hit is. I'd assume it's bonus laden

Yeah, that's what it was last year for him. Like a million more with bonuses

It'll be cheap. He took a sweetheart deal for Ottawa. He doesn't have to take one for Philly

I'm not expecting him to take Betmin or whatever that is in the NHL

that probably doesn't exist. I'm talking basketball again. There's the vet man

There's the vet man. I don't even know what it is. Like, what leverage does he have in negotiations

Like, if there even are really negotiations, it sounds like it's more like, hey, I want to go back

He's picking. He's picking the team he wants to go to. It's not really about the money. Yeah

It feels like he, like, and to me, that is, you know, say what you want about, you know

oh, he's not going to be the same player he was, which he will not be. Not at all

He's still a good player. He is. He's coming off what it was basically a 50-point season

So he's still a good player, and they'll be getting him for way, way, way, way, way less than market value

Like, way less. Especially with the cap going up, like, he legitimately could sign for a million dollars

And that's it. People love Luke Lendening. Like, Hodge Rue is like double or triple what Luke Lendening can bring to the Flyers

Yeah, Flyers have to give up four first-round picks in the offer sheet for Leo Carlson

I think they can still like negotiate that if they want to do a trade instead for Carlson, like if they wanted to do something involving Tippett or whoever else

And that's one of the really interesting factors to this, because when the Shea Weber offer sheet was signed like 10 years ago, 12 years ago, which is crazy

I don't know how many of you were heavily involved with the Flyers at that point. But you know one of the big talks around it in that week where we were wondering what was going to happen was the trade of it all And I know Sean Couturier in particular was floated quite a bit when there were those talks going on

And I'm just looking at it now. I'm kind of scrolling through Twitter and everything

But Don Waddell is in a very, very precarious position right now

And he is currently using all of his bandwidth to deal with Wierenski and trying to keep him around

And I, Wierenski can say he wants to stay in Columbus. Nobody wants to stay in Columbus

Like Joachim Noah said, nobody wants to go to Ohio on vacation. I think it was Cleveland, but it's the same shit

If you don't get Carlson, throw 15 at Fantilli. Let's just get crazy

Let's burn it all down. Make it a whole new era of NHL hockey at this point

Why not? Why not? Columbus can't keep players. These teams, we've seen it time and time again

especially with the Kachuk thing and with Mitch Marner. The player empowerment movement is taking over the NHL just like it did the NBA

And right now, you can pry these guys out or money if you try

It's kind of been a thing to remain cordial and not offer sheet people

over the past 20 years or whatever, or maybe the past entire history of the NHL

besides, again, the Paul Holmgren, Shea Weber thing. There really isn't these sort of swings being taken

especially when players are not UFAs. But there's no downside to just saying

okay, one down, let's rip it again. If you're rolling the part with those picks

which the Flyers are, and I don't think it's a bad idea because you do have a ton of wingers

If you're looking at middle six centers, like Steve said earlier, Berglund, Nesbitt, Luchanko

these are guys you're going to have to try out and cycle through the lineup. The defense, it's a little more shaky

but you do have a pretty young, relatively core with Sanheim, Drysdale, York

Yeracek if he ends up being there. Bonk is still there. Risto has survived it all

He is the cockroach of the Flyers, not in a negative way. I like Risto. I've turned around on Risto

We've come around on him, but he has just, throughout it all has remained

And, you know, there is a window there. I can see where it makes sense

And it is crazy for 18 million to do it. But it's just, why not

Why not? At the worst case, you ed up the Ducks. And I don't think anybody's going to be crying about that in Philadelphia

So like, like what is Leo Carlson's like floor is a, is a 2C, like a 2C

That's the ceiling of most of the centers that the Flyers have right now. Like, correct

Like, so maybe it's an overpay at 18 million. Maybe it turns out to be an overpay, but it, it changes everything in Philadelphia

It takes the Flyers up a few notches to not quite to, you know, the avalanche and the

stars and these teams, but they're, they're getting there. They're, they're absolutely going to be getting there

Kevin Kurz of The Athletic actually just put out a pretty interesting thought where he basically just said, you know, the ironic part of all this is that Cutter Gauthier, who is still public enemy number one in these parts, could now help the Flyers if he demands a similar deal to this offer sheet

And at this rate, if you're Gauthier, why wouldn't you? And that's a great point. Like he's had he's coming off an incredible year. And why would he settle for anything less than this

I mean, there's no reason to not get at least 10. And the guy is what he put a 40 last year or something like that

Yeah. So we hate him, but he's clearly talented. Yeah. So in a weird way, we need to be on team Gauthier right now

Well, I mean, that feels gross. I don't want him to get that bag

We want him to be like, no, you. I don't think what we've seen from cutter

He's going to take a haircut on his first big NHL contract

He's going to ask for double digits regardless of if he had a slump and only scores 25

I mean, it is what it is for him right now. I think he's going to ask for that regardless

And even though he wanted to leave Philly, I don't think he's necessarily married to the thought of Anaheim

No, no, no. If he's jumped once, he'll do it again, right? I mean, I think these guys, they're looking for ��

If they cheated on you. If they cheated on someone else to be with you, they will cheat on you

That is, you know, listen, that is how it works. So especially when you're waiving, you know

if somebody waves 13 million in front of them, I think they definitely cheat on you

Jason Martinez tweeted, by the way, some are asking why the five-year term

I have to check, but I would think that term would walk Leo Carlson right to UFA status

therefore adding another element of consideration for Pat Ferbeek, who Danny Breer has done significant deals and business with prior

Yes. It's one year of UFA, and apparently there's some listening comprehension

in the chat. Carlson's lore is a 2C. He is a 1C

But at absolute worst, he's a second-line center, especially with the wingers, the flyers. He's a first-line

center. He's a first-line center. And that's why they're offering him $18 million

a year. Yes. Which in NHL terms, like if you're an NBA

fan who's like tuning in, like that's nothing. In NHL terms, this is the highest. Yeah, that's Harrison Barnes money

It's like a middle reliever. Like a middle reliever. For the NHL, this is monumental

This is, as we said, the highest contract ever offered. And it's a hell of a gamble from the Flyers

And Verbeek came out and said, we'll match any offers. Like, well, Danny Breer said, well, let's see if you're going to hold true to that

Like, this is this is one of the most aggressive moves I have seen from an NHL GM in a long time

And it truly might be the most aggressive move since Paul Holmgren. I remember, actually, I just remembered this

OK, I was in Milan. I was in Milan on my phone finishing up the 2023 community draft board

Number four, Leo Carlson. And my first sentence is Leo Carlson is a joy to watch play hockey

I, I may be too high on him, but it is a consistent opinion I have had since he was drafted

You're not alone, my friend, because clearly Danny Breer and Keith Jones are right there with you

I don't even know what I wrote for his negative. What's not to like

Yeah. Well, when we were talking about. His shot isn't exactly elite

Right. When we were talking in BSH a couple months ago, right

We were talking about like guys that you would trade like Martone or Mishkoff for because

we are very high on Martone or Mishkoff. We love these guys. But like Carlson's one of those guys that came up is like, yes, I would

A number of people at BSH said, yes, I would trade either of those guys for Carlson

and Martone, especially after his debut, it is hard to say like, I trade him for anybody because

he looked amazing. But like people, a couple of people in particular, I think you might've been

in that bunch. And I think Cole, maybe in Thomas, we're talking about like, yes, I don't, it's it's

you'd have to really think about it. You know, you have to really think about it. But again

how would he fit in the flyer system Carlson has the ability and potential to be the crown jewel in the middle of a questionable flyer center core yeah and that how i feel that is still how i feel he only proven that to me

thus far 21 he came into the league at 19 19 years old 19 years old he's only on the ascendancy

and to think about the flyer's future with carlson martin mishka that's some killer shit right like

that is the dream right there that is the dream what's going on i see you got real quick just a uh

a note um and i did not know this uh apparently cutter gochier because we've been talking about

this he is ineligible to sign an offer sheet even though yeah yes um i don't know if we mentioned

that earlier i probably we might have but it's it's important to mention again and by the way over 600 hell yes guys get those likes up we appreciate and love you all but this is i mean

this is such a big moment for the flyers right here. This is a pivotal moment

This is a potentially Danny Breer signature moment as a general manager

right here. Thus far for sure. For sure. It's a signature. It's a signature moment

If he has another 15 years as an NHL GM, you know

this is just, isn't something that people do. There are, there are guys Brad true living had an entire career of NHL GM

just losing players and losing trades and never doing anything that noteworthy besides making bad moves and trading a bunch of shit for brandon carlo you know there

were guys who never reached this height who never you know stir the pot like this and briere as such

a you know still a very new a new guy to the role of general manager to uh you know player personnel

in general to the league really just to the nhl not obviously as a player but as an executive

it's it's it's insane it is straight up insane yeah yeah and this insane is

perfect yeah yeah and this is shades of a paul home but paul home would have like offered you

to jason robertson a 26 year old winger you already have a bunch of wingers danny brears

danny brears the new new pearl homegrown he's forward thinking getting the 21 year olds

your old center the big swing home run derby here in philadelphia in a few weeks danny brear

wants to be in there and hitting home runs yeah ryan howard ryan howard hitting those big piece

homers out of the park right there and i i mean do we really does he match yeah no they probably

match would you like probably match but it's a dude it's a big deal if you ask this like

you have to say like i am as confident as can be in this guy but they have that is such a big cap

hit. They've done nothing this offseason. Go ahead, Quigs. Sorry, guys. Would you like to hear something horrifying

No. Because there is something... Because there is a... You know, this rumor that there's going to be another offer sheet

Trevor Zegres needs to sign. No offense. No offense. No offense, Quigs

I don't give a shit. No offense. No offense. I'm doing that trade a hundred times out of

Well, that's a good point. Zegers for Carlson. Yeah. I love it. And honestly, I need that

It clears up the cap. Like, yeah, I love Trevor Zegers. He was great in his first year

I don't necessarily think he's a center. He's definitely not a one C. We've proven that he could do it

You know, if you gave him great wingers and, and you had the right support system around him

but he's not a guy who's going to, to be a one C. He could maybe be a 1LW, a left winger on the top line

playing with some really skilled forwards. But we're playing a different ballgame now

Yeah, he also needs to sign the offer sheet. And all fingers point to him not wanting any part of the game

because he loves it here. I don't know if you guys follow him on Instagram

Every single thing the Flyers tweet of them bringing back Ladar or signing Forrester, he likes all of it

He shares it on his story. He loves being a flyer. And, of course, his two best friends that anyone could have are playing for the Flyers

So he would probably not sign it anyway. So that's good for him. Yeah. And it is heartwarming

And I love Trevor Zegers. But, yeah, I mean, Carlson is the goal, right

And Zegers is a guy that we have been asking throughout the entire season

Is he a center? And I'm still not sure I know the answer to that question

I think he is. But, like, I think he's better at wing, ultimately. I think he could be a 2C

yeah i think he could be yeah but now i would much prefer to have carlson and zegris but if

i'm choosing one or the other it's carlson easy yeah and like zegris hasn't signed like they got

forrester ahead of schedule they're getting drysdale done but zegris hasn't signed because

peperson is the agent for dylan larkin and for claude geroux and for jason robertson and for

i think adam fantilli on here like zegris zegris wants to return to philly it it is it is a terrifying

thought to lose Trevor Zegers, but I don't think he would sign an offer sheet. And if you get

if you get Carlson, it doesn't really matter, honestly. Like I'd be fine with that

I think it just kind of takes you back. It does take you a step back, but let's remember that

the Zegers thing wasn't a guarantee when they got him anyways. Like it wasn't a guarantee that he'd

take a bounce back. It wasn't a guarantee that he was going to be, you know, the, the savior of the

flyers. I think a lot of us were surprised at just how good he was and how effective he was

and how gritty he was. He really fit in with the team, and he seems to be really well liked

Well, he is really well liked. I don't think it seems to be. He seems like he's really well liked with everybody in the dressing room

He drives really well, but at the same time, that's the argument against him leaving

I don't think he'd want to, especially even if they get Carlson. I think he sees the future here

to where, yes, he would want a lot of money. He deserves the money

He had one of his best seasons, if not his best season with the Flyers. He played great on some of those Anaheim teams early on, but they were some pretty ass teams

The Flyers made the playoffs. He proved himself a little bit in the playoffs as well

He got that taste of the playoffs, that first taste of the playoffs. His first taste of the playoffs was with the Flyers, correct

Yes. And, you know, you look at it as a positive until things start to shift around

And I just, the more and more I think about it, the Ducks, the 18 million versus the pick package

I don't think it's insane if the Ducks just say, I don't want to lose Leo Carlson

But if we get four first round picks and someone becomes unsettled or you can go after Vantilli

I'm reading Thomas Williams in the Slack before as we're talking. That decor is a dog's breakfast

Like it's shit. It's not good. Jackson Lacombe is like a Ferrari around a bunch of Fiat 500s from like, or Fiat Pandas from like

the 90s that have been sitting in the top of like Trieste, Italy and rusting away since the Vietnam

War. What a picture you just painted. I, you know, I'm just, I'm an eclectic young man

I saw an interesting tweet from Frank Cervelli just now. So he said, it's fun canvassing the

league on what the Ducks, Pat Verbeek might be thinking. One GM said, easy match, but it jams

up their cap wonder if three years was a more potent offer again the five years seems to have

a lot to do with the ufa status so that understandable another gm said this is where i very intrigued i think pat takes all four picks and works out a deal to go after Dylan Larkin There are a lot of moving parts

Why would Dylan Larkin want to go there? Why does Dylan Larkin want to go to that? Because the teams that Dylan Larkin wants to go to

don't want Dylan Larkin. The Stars, I don't know if they want him

The Wild do, but they don't have the... Robertson leave. The Wild don't have the space. They don't have the space

All we know is that he wants to go to Minnesota or Vegas. He wants to wait

can Vegas even do that do they even are they even interested really in that they already have

Jack Eichel filling you know the American guy Captain America role they just got Marner I don't

think they lost Dorofiev so maybe that makes more sense for them but yeah the the Ducks if if they

are to let Carlson go do have a lot of flexibility to do other things and whenever the next um the

next superstar or star who wants to leave um comes about they would be in the driver's seat

with their young assets and with you know even the guys who are older like troy terry you throw him

in with like three first round picks match the money a little bit and and you you can get a

pretty good you can get a pretty good guy back right um especially if if their contract's running

out or if they want to get moved from the team that they're currently on so while it's not likely

it's so tough to see a team like anaheim where they are right now without you know any sort of

defensive identity whatsoever despite having the oldest man possible as head coach despite you know

jackson lacombe legitimately being a very very good nhl defenseman someone i really like to watch

play one of my favorite uh guys who are non-flyers um that that's still a little bit underrated it

seems they need five more defensemen especially if minchikov goes they literally need five

defensemen so it can go either way i don't think verbeek would want to anger the ducks fan base but

how much of a fan base do the Ducks have? I mean, it's..

The Zegers-Risdale stands have migrated. They have migrated to Philadelphia. And also, Zegers has said as much

like saying how special it is to play in Philly versus out there in Anaheim

Just having that atmosphere. Not only the seasons, but having fans who give a shit

Yeah, what are recruiting people, Trevor Zegers is? Kevin Weeks' tweet? Is that where you're going to go with, Chris

That was just about... Yeah, so Kevin Weeks just tweeted, Per my conversations earlier in the week with sources, the Anaheim Ducks were hoping to be between 10 and 12 million AAV for Carlson and Gauthier

Knowing Seneca will be next in line, the Flyers have now come off the top rope

This also impacts Conor Bedard and Macklin Celebrini. This is, you know what

So I was thinking this a little bit, and I'm sorry, I kind of just like interjected here. No, that's vague

That's worth bringing up. I saw the thing earlier, five years, 90 mil for Leo Carlson

That's the first time I've ever seen an NHL contract and been like, yo, isn't that like an NBA contract

Like it's catching up. The NHL is catching up with contracts. Slowly but surely

Tortoise and the hair. How much is Shea making right now? He's making $60 million

Like I don't, you got to understand. Everyone's moving up now. But like moving up as big and the Flyers doing this, this is like there have been indicators, right, that we're in a new NHL because of the cap

We're seeing like really shitty players get like four or five million. You're like, oh, gross

Seven million for Mason Marchment. This is the first time somebody's come in and really just, again, put their balls on the table and said 18 million

Max that. Let's see what you got. Yeah, I do wonder if the Flyers and Ducks do consider trying to do a trade now

Like the Flyers and Ducks have obviously done a few trades. The Ducks haven't done anything this offseason to keep their cap space open to sign Leo Carlson, to match a Leo Carlson offer sheet

But at 18 million instead of 12 million, that's quite a big jump there

So I wonder if there's a trade to be made, like with Arista Linen to replace Truba and Carlson there

John Carlson, I should say. Maybe Cam York they send back to Anaheim

He's on a pretty team-friendly deal. I think that's a real possibility that we see here

where you give two first-round picks and Risto and something else. Just to quickly interject and to provide some context

do you know who Tari Eason is, Gilbs? I have heard the name

Okay, so he got 16.3. Okay, okay. I think maybe he shoots like 25% from three

I think maybe I wrote his name in an injury report on one of my NBA betting previews

That would be what he's most known for. Yeah. It's insane. Yeah

But this is big, big money. What would you guys be comfortable trading in this

What do you think would be a decent package that both teams could agree on in a deal like this

Jamie Drysdale seems like he'd fit the Anaheim Ducks quite well right now

I mean, you got to think about anything that's not Mischkoff or Martone

Anything that's not nailed down. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm going to send him the ice

Yeah. Send him the board ass. Gritty is untouchable. Gritty is untouchable

Gritty would not accept it. He would not wave his no move. Because they wouldn't like him out there

Oh, we have a super chat here from Scherer. Do we move Mischkoff at this point

to add demand depth for C1. That is the uncomfortable question. Thank you so much for the super chat, by the way

Five-hour super chat. Keep coming them in super chats. We will be answering your questions. I'm going to try to hang on here as long as possible here

I can go for three hours. Yeah. Why not? It's 100 degrees outside

I'm going to have to make this up to the missus, but that's okay. I don't even want to look outside

Yeah. Yeah, I think you do. Do you just offer him to Columbus for Zach Berensky at this point

mishkov yeah well i mean what if he's part of this deal for i think that's what i was going to

say oh interesting part here for car and a defenseman like york maybe you give them york

and risto because like i don't want to trade mish but like having porter martone with a proper one c

i might do it and i don't want to but i might like i'm laughing so hard right now because

like just the way that we're all talking right now we're all like what if this what if that like

maybe danny's gonna do this like danny briere we were so humdrum on flight earlier like we're just

like having a good time oh well we got nolan foot today guys just walked opened the door into a

meeting threw in a grenade and walked away like people are losing their like this is just nuts i

i can't stop laughing at how like unprecedented this is i texted you in all caps i'm like leo

carlson get on live stream yeah this is something that like we have not like yes we've seen offer

sheets before i don't know if we've ever seen anything quite like this yeah like this is send

like i said before This is sending shockwaves. The NHL is stunned right now at what's going on

Yeah, and this is the move they needed to make. This is the Flyers declaring, we're back, baby

And if they pull this off, this is potentially a franchise-altering move

It is, even if the Ducks do match it. This is Danny Brewer putting his dick on the table and be like, hey, we're here to play

Yeah, but I mean, in general, if they do get Carlson, this could change the entire course of the franchise and it moves up that rebuilding schedule

i don't give a shit about the next four picks at all because they have that one seat and they just

look defense they probably need to get some guys at some point they have so many wingers that they

can move and they can sign guys this is cool as shit and i i really i want it to happen i i want

it to happen so bad and and it's the nhl has kind of been known for in years past it's not as exciting

like there's no kevin durant signing with golden state there's no lebron on tv going to the heat

or lebron now he's going to philly and he's leaving the lakers like that sort of big like the the

the explosive moves not really a thing that normally happens in the nhl outside of trades and

ufa signings where you kind of you know he's going to get the money the guy's going to get

the money you just don't know who's going to give it to him but this is one of those things where

you just i i don't even know it could it could i like i don't even know what to say there's no

comparable to this besides the shea weber thing and i was like i don't know was like 12 when that

happened i don't even remember i think i came home from like grade eight yeah it's sorry guys

it's my fault i was muted no that was on me because i was no no no i mean that's offensive

than the age thing. No, it's not. No, it's not. It's been 12 years

I'm just old. It's been a while. Yeah, but I don't think the Flyers would have to give up

Like, Cam York might be the best player they would have to give up

if they do a trade for Carlson. Superchat here from Rhea Lemire

Do you think we can re-sign both Zegers and Drysdale now? Yeah, I don't see why not

Drysdale is whispers out there for a year, 6.25 million. Zegras, I think him and the Flyers have an understanding that they're going to get something done

His agent just has bigger fist to fry right now, and I can't see Zegras potentially leaving Philly

Another thing that I just saw, someone just mentioned this on Blue Sky

I don't know if they're in the chat right now. At Flyers4TW.BlueSky.Social

this will screw up their cap and mess up the locker room when Leo has to explain why he wanted

to go to another team like what does this what does this do like like optically in the locker

room what does this do then because like if he does if they do match then does he walk into the

locker room and people are like dude what the I thought you were in on this you were supposed

to be one of our guys to you know bring a Stanley Cup to Anaheim yeah Crider will probably slew

foot in practice so that'll just probably but yeah no i mean there's a lot of considerations

there i mean potentially losing this guy is such a oh my god i do not he's the crown like he is the

guy that they view as the future um besides lacombe uh on ford it's carlson goche obviously

as much as we dislike him he's a very good hockey player he's a great goal scorer but

But the two-way centerman in Carlson, the guy they took so high in that draft

he was the centerpiece of the project for the Ducks. And Verbeek was definitely going to try to whittle it down

Like, hey, take 12. You're going to take the Demidov deal, which, come on, man

Come on. Come on. The Demidov deal, by the way. He's got to feel like an idiot today

I feel like it's a sweetheart deal when I saw it. Like we got to really get recalibrated to what contracts will be in the new NHL

Yeah. I can't like if Zach Wierenski went to market, he's getting 15

Yeah. So I'm looking right now, by the way, it says, um, I'm on Puckpedia flyers projected cap space is 29 million

31,000 to 50. So yeah, but I'm talking about as far as Zegers goes

because if they get this Carlson deal, that's 18, right? Yeah. And then Drysdale's another six

Claude Giroux's what, two or three. probably like closer to two i would think does anybody know the math i'm very bad with math

nothing official on drew yet yeah i'm waiting for that still i'm kind of hoping to hear something

soon on that before i'm not the biggest david pagnotta believer but yeah if he says it it's

probably 70 true it's been like an hour and no one has confirmed nobody else has it yeah so i i

imagine if the flyers do get carlson they just dump risto for like a second or something like

they dump risto uh maybe they trade a sealer or a tip someone someone like that but i i thought the ducks hadn done anything this offseason they signed aj greer to a 4 per year That get it done That crucial cap it That crucial cap it they could use

Just looking at their team, their only young guys are Carlson, Seneca, and Gauthier

And Mintrico. And Mintrico. On forward, yeah. On forward, it's a bunch of guys

How long do you think Danny's been planning this? Oh, I think since the season

oh but no since probably longer than that yeah probably yeah you have to really

cross your teeth and dot your eyes this is some like d-day preparation i feel like

you were in the bunker yeah you were in the bunker for the like figuring this one out and

and like him and jonesy we see it every game right they are sitting together and they're

constantly talking and plotting and like other secrets i would love to whispering secrets like

hee hee i'm going to offer sheet leo carlson today like i i just i'm still stunned he did this and

he's been aggressive but not like this and no nhl gm is aggressive like this because offer sheets

simply do not happen the devils made one with the mammoth but it was literally like okay cool

like what was it four mil or something yeah it was because the mammoth like backed out of a deal

at the draft which would have been like a second round pick for him which is what they're going to

get anyway here. Elliot Freeman just tweeted a minute ago, key details from what I understand on the

Carlton offer sheet, front load and bonus structure as we'd all expect

In the next 12 months, he will earn more approximately $39 million in the next 12 months

12 months? I mean, I would take $39 million in the next 12 months

I would sign that. I would. That's a damn good deal. If you're Carlton, that's a no-brainer

So is this a situation where it really pays to have Comcast be your owner

Yeah, I can't hurt because they don't blink when you say, I'm going to offer this guy a ton of money

And I think one of the key things here is the Hilferty of it all, because Hilferty is, you know, more plugged in than

who was the previous chairman before Hilferty came in? Scott? Was his last name Scott

It was the one that took the weird picture in the ass room that I carried

Dave Scott. Dave Scott. It was Dave Scott, right? I don't remember that. Yeah, but Dave Scott just was not that plugged

He wasn't as plugged in as Hilferty. And Hilferty has been very much from day one about restoring that Flyers glory and honor

and remembers what it was like. And I feel like he's been aligned with that

And Jones and Breer, they are really just of the same mind

of like we will spend we just have to use it in the right way and this is using it in the right way

because the flyers in the ed snyder days they would spend but they spend on guys like you know

darian hatcher sometimes like sometimes it'd be great sometimes it'd be great and be roenick

roenick was fantastic for this franchise for a couple years great signing but then sometimes

oh but right sometimes it's vinny the caveat get rj umberger in for a five-year deal let's let's do

That was just Hextall being insane. But sometimes it was just like they would try to make these big splashes

and they bring in over-the-hill Peter Forsberg, who was great for a year and then they had to trade him

because the team stunk. If anyone has the silver logo Peter Forsberg jersey

I've been looking for it for probably five years. Steve has one. He's not selling it, though

No. If anyone's selling it, I will give you 100 U.S. dollars

And I think me, Jacob, and Steve are all probably different sizes in jerseys, too

We're not going to be competing for this. This one fits me weird, too, to be honest. But I wear a 2X usually, so maybe a 3X

Anthony DeMarco, he just tweeted to piggyback off of what Frank Saravalli said

He asked two GMs what they would offer or what they would do if they were Anaheim

The first GM said, quote, easy match. Second GM said, quote, I believe he has to match it

It will kill his pay structure. So, yeah, Anaheim will probably match, but a harder decision than we think

So, again, just to kind of temper the waters here, let's not get crazy

Too late. I'm going crazy. We knew that they were probably going to match, and they probably are

but, like, the fact that he offered that much and front-loaded it that much

it's really up with the Ducks right now. Like, pretty bad

I mean, if I'm Pat Verbeek, I don't know what to do. I truly don't know what to do because it does seem like an easy match

But again, the goatee of it all is really where it gets screwy for him and the other

guys they have in the system because that's a lot more contract. And the Flyers are going to go through the same thing if they go through with this

If this happens, when it comes time for Porter Martone's big old contract, that could be

a complication. But that's something that I'm sure Danny Breer is very cognizant of going into this

Verbeek has probably just been slapped across the face and it like what the like I would be having such a panic attack right now I would be furious I red and I not even Pat Verbeek No no Pat Verbeek not having a panic attack He hitting things You right He punching

Things are being thrown against the wall. Yeah. He might have a grenade

I don't know. He's just, he's, there's no good answer for him now

There really isn't. He had a grenade thrown into his office this morning

Yeah. There's no good answer for him because if he signs Carlson, if he matches

he has no cap space to build the d as it currently is consisted and the team the ducks made the

playoffs they're trying to win now it's not like they're at the start of a rebuild necessarily um

they have some weaknesses on on defense obviously but their forward core isn't bad they were good

enough to make the playoffs in the west which means something um but now you're looking at

if you get Carlson in 18, that only raises the price of Gauthier

That only raises the price of Seneca. And then you have to worry about where am I going to get other defensemen from

especially in a market where the defensemen are going for so much

and have been going for so much. They're so highly coveted. Even the old guys like Carlson, like I don't know how much hockey

John Carlson has left. I wanted him for the Flyers just for like a stopgap option

until you find a long-term power play quarterback, but it's not like he's going to be around for another five years

He's about at the end of his career. He's played his best hockey, and it's just tough for him

And I just wanted to mention, I'm looking at the Flyers past first-rounders, okay

And I'm going to assume that if they get Carlson, they will have a pretty low pick, relatively low

It won't be in the top 10. If it's in the top 10 where everything went wrong

Something went real wrong. Everything went wrong. But okay, so the last picks that are like, say, outside the top 10, Maxim Sokolovsky, Jack Nesbitt, Jet Luchanko, Oliver Bonk are the last four Flyers first round picks that came outside of the top 10

That's a no brainer for a guy like Leo Carlson. Yeah. Even if those guys, even if Bonk is, you know, a really good middle pair guy, even if Luchanko ends up being a good 3C, even if Nesbitt is the same and Sokolovsky is new Nikita Zdorov

I think it's still a no-brainer because you don't even know those guys can get hurt those guys can get

you know they can want to move to another team we all saw it with Gauthier they can ask out you

know there's no guarantee with the picks um and from a Flyers perspective it is more about worrying

about the money rather than the picks and as well to reiterate they will still have Toronto's first

rounder next year and probably if they do get Carlson in the special world where they do if

they do get him they'll probably be able to trade a guy like tippet and recoup some picks back they'll

trade a forward they'll have to they'll just be too many guys on the roster that's where the jeru

of it comes in right because that affords them to be able to trade a forward and still stay very

competitive for this year at the nhl if not extremely competitive uh hilarious tweet by the

way kyle just put in the bsh slack uh from felix sicard who said as patrick the president pointed

out this morning it was verbeek who called off all negotiations the carlson at the start of the year

by Verbeek's own admission. Why would he say that? Like, I don't get this guy

GM of the year. Him and Bill Guerin, man. Bill Guerin, yeah. Studs

Studs. Yeah, yeah. So I just want to, like, address what the potential downside

of getting Leo Carlson, because people are saying, like, it's an overpay, whatever it is

For these next two years, you have Martone under a million dollars, Barky under a million dollars

This next season, you have Michkoff at under a million dollars. Then he's doing something

Like you can afford to overpay for the next year, two years, three years

And then once Leo Carlson hits that prime in when he's 23, 24

he's going to be worth 18 million, especially with the cap going up

So I feel like, I feel like there's very little downside to this besides

you know, if you do somehow go pits up and like you do get top 10 picks

go to the ducks like that. Like if everything goes to somewhat according to plan

this is just a fantastic move. Yeah. All right. Well, you know

we'll give it a couple more minutes to see if any other news comes in, but any additional thoughts you guys have on this just gigantic move from

Danny Breer and Keith Jones today? I just can't believe it. I don't even know what to say

I don't know what to say. It's unparalleled. Crazy, crazy, just Howie Roseman-ass move

It is. That is actually a great comparison. And that's something we talk about a lot on Fly Perbally, Quigs

is we talk about learning from Howie Roseman and that aggression while making smart moves

And this is in that realm right there. And this is, again, a huge goddamn swing

This is as big as it gets. If Leo Carlson ends up being a flyer, which, again, not expecting it

Let's be real, not expecting it. But let pretend this gets the Ducks in such a bind that they can match or they have to do a trade or something There will be a documentary about this Like someone somewhere some nerdy dude who loves videography will do some sort of interview with GMs and NHL and stuff and it be published on Netflix and people can watch it

And we will be talking about this off-street for a long time. It'll be a documentary, if you will

The documentary. We lost 10 viewers when I said that. But how are you guys feeling right now

We've talked about it for over an hour, 75 minutes here. Are you confident that Flyers are like

what percent are you feeling right now? Like it's 50-50. It's going to happen or it's not

But like where do you guys stand right now on Carlson actually becoming a Flyer

20%. That's not a bad guess. Are you fine? I literally have no idea

I have kind of, I'm going to say a little bit higher. I'm going to say like 40% because I think the number

is so staggering based on what we heard from some of the insiders and everything saying they were

expecting more in that like 10 to 12 range that's an easy match this is not an easy match danny

briere said okay i see what your baseline is and this is what i think an easy match is this is a

real like all right put your money where your mouth is umbra like let's go and this is

this is going to be fascinating to see how it plays out so seven days to match right

yeah seven days to match seven days god damn it's a long a long time to 2014 welcome to shea

weber boys because that's how it felt like this was that broke late at night this at least broke

while a lot of us were off from our day jobs and just hanging out where we could just come on a

stream that broke like at night and then it was just like you and the flyers needed shea weber

back then i wouldn't say a lot more than we need leo carlson right now but at that point the flyers

had claude geru wayne simmons jake voracek sean couturier they were really building up and they

needed him to kind of get them over the hump and they were trying to replace pronger so badly

whereas like we know that one c is what they need to get to the next level but i feel like there's

other shots they can take where shea weber was really the only player of that caliber that they

could get to match the chris pronger of it all yeah and i think if they don't get carlson i think

the encouraging thing with the Flyers that they don't get Carlson. The beat just goes on

Very intriguing tweet that Bradley, Brad Keffer just posted in the Broad Street Hockey Slack

Darren Drager, this will certainly juice the market. According to several player agents

Carlson had four teams present offer sheets and several who shared a high level of interest

Everyone's dunking on Pat Verbeek. I love it. It's like an ollie, ollie, ollie, ollie

Well, you know what? To me, that says that this is, well now i'm a little bit more confident because that shows that that many people were going after

carlson like yes he's a coveted player but that shows that i wonder if gms are picking up on a

crack in the armor there and they are so that's what one that's interesting and two of those four

teams he chose flyers well i mean it could be a money thing you know maybe they didn't offer as

much i assume i i can't see anyone else offer sheeting carlson for less than like 15 you know

i think it would still be 15 just because it's it's a guy that doesn't come to market you know

the ceiling is very high and i think you got to remember that one of these one of those guys that

like forster and re-signing him to the new deal even if he doesn't necessarily become the offensive

juggernaut that he definitely could be he has the skill to do so um he's still a very valuable

player uh obviously you know it's very hard for anyone to live up to 18 million dollars per season

but we'll have to see man i i don't know you know it's all up in the air right now i really

i really don't even know what to i can't give you even a guess yeah i got no clue going back

to like percentage thing i think it's like 10 to 20 that the ducks don't match and then maybe

another 10 to 20 that they are able to work out a trade maybe that's a little bit more optimistic

like 40 is on the higher end but like around like a third of a chance i would say like around 33

is is where i'm at i'm like a yeah that's that's where i'd be i mean it is a shot across their bow

and it is a big decision for them regardless so we're gonna find out folks and stick with us

all week, all summer, all the frigging time at Broad Street Hockey, because we are ready to jump

on. If I got to jump out of the parking lot or in a porta potty like Kevin Weeks, I'll do it

If this goes through, if the deal goes through for Leo Carlson, I'll cancel all my meetings and

I'll say, God damn it, I'm streaming about Leo Carlson signing with the Flyers. We are prepared

if anything happens. So thank you for joining us. Thank you for sticking with us. And we're going

to head on out of here, but folks, this was great. Let's go Flyers. And hopefully we have

Leo Carlson this time next week