Reacting to Ducks Matching Flyers' Leo Carlsson Offer Sheet

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Hello and welcome to Broad Street
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Hockey. I am Ryan Gilbert joined by
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Jacob Russell here just a few hours
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after the Anaheim Ducks announced that
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they will in fact match the Flyers
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5-year $90 million offer sheet [sighs]
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for Leo Carlson. So, just less than a
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week ago, we were on here all excited.
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Jacob was shaking and now it's just back
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to back to uh the drawing board for the
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Flyers.
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>> Yeah, you know, back to the Jack Berglin
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highlights for me. Back to the coal
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mine. Um, you know, the end of the day,
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nothing really changes. Does anything
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really change with the Flyers? No. I'm
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sorry. I'm sorry. I don't need to start
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this negative. [laughter]
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>> Yeah. No. Uh, shout out everyone that
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has uh consumed our Leo Carlson content.
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Uh, Jacob and Steve had something out
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yesterday. thankfully under the wire
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there about what Rebique did. We talked
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We'll put this up on on the podcast
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feed. Uh, not not not sure if the Flyers
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odds changed at all here, but I was
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probably one of the more optimistic
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people about the offer sheet. I don't
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know if I just had my orange tinted
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glasses on, but it it felt like the
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Ducks really were backed into a corner.
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And I'm sure you and Steve talked about
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it last night as well, but it there were
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plenty of logical reasons for the Ducks
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to not match. Don't you got to pay you
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got to pay cutter. You overpaid Mitikov.
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Becket Senica is going to need paid in
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in two years. Like and and I just think
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like if the offer sheets weren't so
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taboo, like we would see them more often
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and we would see them not be
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automatically matched as often.
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>> Yeah. I mean, if it was more usual, I
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think there's definitely a a world where
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doesn't match it, but I think he's just
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he would have lost his job, I think, if
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he didn't match that, you know. Um he
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might still I think the Ducks are
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screwed either way. and the Flyers are
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kind of fine either way. You know, I
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think that that doesn't change. Uh
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that's still the reality of of the
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situation. But the Ducks, you know, they
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they ponyied up. Credit to them. They're
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going to have to uh really do some
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gymnastics with the cap at least for the
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time being. At least for you know, I
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have no idea what Goce is going to get
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now. He could get probably he could get
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matching $18 million deals. It' be $36
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million a year for both those guys. I
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have no idea because he he's going to
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ask for for the moon and and and
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Verbique has has decided that he is
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willing to give Carlson that money. So I
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I don't really think he's got any
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leverage, but they they keep their
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franchise potential franchise player,
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their potential 1C. And you know, the
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Flyers kind of just go back to square
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one. Nothing really changes. They they
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gave it their best shot. You can't say
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Danny didn't try. Uh but, you know, just
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didn't work out this time. We got got to
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pivot somewhere else.
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>> Yeah. And there are pivot options like
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Fantily people are talking about if
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that's going to be an option. Um you
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know there's other guys you could trade
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for. Shane Wright is apparently asking
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out. I'm not sure if I'm really into
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Shane Wright too much. Um maybe Dylan
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Larkin expands his list a little bit
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after seeing this. Apparently he's
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willing to go to Dallas, but Detroit
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asked for Wyatt Johnston back for him.
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So
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>> yeah, I I would want a better player too
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for my worst player.
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>> Yeah. I mean, you got to ask for you
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gota ask for ask for the moon and maybe
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maybe you'll get you'll get the stars
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there. Uh before the Flyers, it's just
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this is just a move really caps off the
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frustrating off season. There there
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still aren't a lot of things that I
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would have liked to see the Flyers do.
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Like John Carlson would have been good.
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Darnell Nurse would have been an
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improvement on ice. If you got him at a
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good cap number, it would have been a
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decent move.
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uh who's some other guys like the
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Barensky thing that never went anywhere.
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>> But there's you look through all the
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signings, you look through all the
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trades that have been made and there's
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ve very few things you look at and
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you're like damn uh damn why why wasn't
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Danny in on that? And and maybe he was
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and the story of this offseason is like
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coming up just short for a few players
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or that's what the reports are. That's
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what the rumors are. Who knows how true
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those actually are, who the Flyers were
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in at. So, it's that's a positive to
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see, but you can't let this become a
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trend. You can't let this become the
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Flyers become the team that are like,
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"Oh, yeah, we tried for that player
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after it it reveals that he got traded."
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Like, they they have to land someone at
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some point. Doesn't have to be this
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offseason. Doesn't have to be during the
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season. Like, the the Flyers still have
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Danny Breer's plan going strong. They
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still have an NHL roster with cap space
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now to sign Ziggress and Dale. So, it
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really just is disappointing. It's not
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really anything more than that for me
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that that the Ducks matched.
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>> Well, yeah, it's obviously it would have
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been very very tough to put the lineup
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together the way it's currently
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constructed if they got Carlson. Like
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guys would have to be out the door.
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That's that's a reality that would have
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been obvious. Um it's still going to be
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the reality for for the Ducks, right?
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They've got 9 million just over 9
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million in cap space. They got to sign
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Carter Gochce. Carter Goceier is going
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to want the moon. Uh, speaking of which,
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um, and
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yeah, it is just disappointing. A guy
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like Carlson, you don't normally get a
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chance to get him, especially when he's
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at 21, especially when he's got a lot of
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development track still ahead of him.
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Um, but at the same time, yeah, like you
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said, it doesn't really change much for
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the Flyers. Uh it's just another
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opportunity to maybe try and spread the
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assets out. See if you can grab somebody
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with a bit, you know, like just just
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more guys, right? Just get more guys,
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take more shots. You don't have to worry
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about necessarily
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um a guy like Carlson, you know, just
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under 20 million. It's a ton of money
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even if the cap is going up. And yeah,
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it's just a little bit depressing
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because you thought you might have had
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the number one center and that's really
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along with the number one defenseman,
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number one goalie. that's what you need
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in order to be a a a successful team, a
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real contender. But at the same time,
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it's not like it really changes any of
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their current reality of what this team
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is, what this team's going to be next
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year. I mean, they still got a lot of
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young guys coming up, the Martones of
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the world who you're going to have a
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full season Martone, hopefully a bounce
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back from Mishkov
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and you got cap flexibility that you can
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hopefully try and I don't know, find
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somebody else who wants out. You never
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know what's going to happen, right? Like
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the Leo Carlson thing even itself
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presented itself really out of nowhere.
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So maybe you find somebody um either
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through trade next year, you know,
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if there's anybody who asks out might
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have a shot at them. I mean, you got the
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the flexibility there and you've got
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that whole treasure treasure trove of
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picks that you're going to keep um in
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order to make a move. So, it's not the
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end of the world, but it is a little bit
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of a let down given that, you know, he
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would have been the best center on the
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team and one of the best centers that
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they've had uh or at least center
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prospects that they've had in I don't
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know, 20 years.
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>> Yeah. Since Claude Drew, easily like he
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probably has a higher possibly a higher
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ceiling than Claude Drew. And yeah,
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speaking of him, people wondering if he
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signed with Ottawa because they don't
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have to wait for Carlson that decision.
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Uh it he also would have been another
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guy you had to bring in and then you
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would have had to had to move somebody
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out. I'm looking at the the Flyers
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projected lines right now on Daily Face
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Off going to going to share this on this
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the YouTube viewers like that's a that's
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a good lineup. Connect D'vorak Martone
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Forester Zris Tippet Bump Kate Mkov
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Barky Couttoriier Achari that's that's a
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good lineup there. That's another lineup
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that can that can make the playoffs even
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going down to their defense. Sanheim
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Risto, York Dale, Cerichek. We'll see
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how Yerichek is, but that's solid. And
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then you have Lar and and and Wall in
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that. So, it's still a good team. It's a
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team that's going to be in playoff
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contention. It's just that getting Leo
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Carlson would have put them in Stanley
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Cup contention as soon as two or three
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years from now.
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>> Yeah. I mean, you would have immediately
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became a dark horse, I think, around the
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league, uh, if you got Carlson, just
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simply because of the fact that like the
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one piece that you're missing is that
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one C. You just you cover up the center
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position and you look at the wingers and
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you say like those are all real NHL
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players. Like those aren't guys you even
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think about sending to the miners,
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right? I I
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>> And if you got Jiru, like who's going to
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come out?
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>> I don't want to take Barky out for Giru.
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I don't really even want to take Achari
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out for Giru because they play
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different, you know, there's sort of
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different roles there, right? They're
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not the same guy and um you'd have to
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have traded Tippet. Uh it would have
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been a lot harder to sign a guy like
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Mishkov. So, at the end of the day,
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maybe it's for the best. Um it it just
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is fun to see those splash moves and
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pull them off and and that obviously
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getting the crown jewel um getting that
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guy who can lead the line for 10 years
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into the future. That that is your main
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goal and unfortunately they just weren't
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able to get it done. But ultimately it
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wasn't in their hands, right? They did
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all that they could. the Ducks decided
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that, yeah, if we're gonna be screwed,
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we're gonna be screwed with our 1C and
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we're gonna be screwed with all the
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prospects that we've developed over over
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the years now and and we're just going
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to try and figure it out, which I don't
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necessarily disagree with it. I think
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everyone kind of thought that it was
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going to happen. I think we tried to
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delude ourselves into thinking that it
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wasn't going to happen, but at the end
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of the day,
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>> it's it's the move that had to be made,
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right? Pat Forbique, he could have lost
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his job if he didn't if he didn't sign
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this contract, right? if he left if he
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let Leo Carlson go and and you know even
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if he doesn't if if Cutter Goce doesn't
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report to camp or something right if he
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doesn't sign before the season I mean
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Vique's job is is still not you know you
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could see by the end of the next season
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you could see a world where it all falls
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apart for him but I don't really care
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about the Ducks that much right like we
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don't like the Ducks but I I I it's not
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as if I I want the the Ducks to fail um
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just for the fun of that I want the
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Flyers to succeed and and unfortunately
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that's just not going to be with Leo
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Carlson right now.
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>> Yeah. The revenge factor for the Flyers
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I think was a just something that the
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cherry on top of it. Like this was the
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player that they wanted. This was a
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player that fit their timeline. One of
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the best center young centers in the
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league. The Ducks were a franchise that
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notoriously play hard ball with their
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young players. So the fact that they
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just the cutter goier thing, the rivalry
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thing, like that whole thing was just an
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extra on it. But just tying up the thing
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on the Flyers roster here, these lines
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are without GBankin. They're without
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Grundstrom. Like they they have extra
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forwards that are better than uh Nick
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Deloreier and Garnet Hathaway. So they
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they have a bunch. They still need that
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top end talent on forward and on
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defense, but that's not um too bad right
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now for the Flyers. And I think this
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really does make make Philadelphia a
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destination. And Broad Street Hockey is
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podcasters in the business. Here it is.
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Steve Jako. Steve, how we doing today?
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>> What a what a damn transition. What a
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proud gorgeous. That was gorgeous.
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>> That was beautiful. Chef's kiss to that
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one right there. I uh managed to escape
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my office between monsoons that have
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been coming through Philadelphia and
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South Jersey for the day. So I I didn't
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have to use an umbrella. So, I'm very
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happy about that. Can you guys even hear
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me? My microphone isn't close.
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>> Yeah. Get her a little closer. Yeah. You
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sound like you were yelling for like
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this. Why do we like this? Get up, guys.
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Get up in here.
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>> Get elbows. Elbows in.
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>> Elbows in. But yeah, let's
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>> Here's the thing. I had to rush home
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because I had to be on to talk about
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this. I had to talk about this whole Leo
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Carlson thing because as you guys were
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saying, they didn't get the big fish
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here. But at the end of the day, this is
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something. This is a big move by Briera
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to show the NHL the Flyers are back and
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the Flyers are a serious team.
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>> That that is the thing. And and like
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Philadelphia is is a destination now.
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And I saw some people saying, "Well,
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yeah, if you get paid $18 million,
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you're a destination." But there were
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three or four other other teams offering
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having offer sheets for Carlson,
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probably upwards of 156 million. Um we
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we know Seattle has tried to get Jason
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Robertson or somewhere and they said no
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to that. Like you can't just you can't
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just throw money at somebody if you
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don't have a good team, a good
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organization, a good front office to
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back that. Like a player wants to make
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money, but they they also want to win.
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And Seattle's got those sexy sexy tax
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benefits that everybody raves about for
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like Texas and Florida, right? Where
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it's like, oh yeah, you don't get the
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income tax taxed and everything, but
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like that's it doesn't make a
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difference. Nobody wants to go to
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Seattle. And it's because they haven't
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established anything. It's because they
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haven't established themselves as a an
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upandcoming hockey team. They're kind of
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a a team without a a plan. They're
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rudderless. Whereas, I think Briier has
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firmly shown people he's got a plan that
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he is building towards with the Flyers.
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And yeah, you take this shot here
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because it almost worked out. I mean, I
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don't know how much of a a qualified
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certified genius Pat Berbique was for
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keeping all that cap space conveniently
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open, but I I think that was a little
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bit of uh you know, just a little bit of
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hyperbole there and I would know about
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uh hyperbole, but you know, at the end
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of the day, man, like you do have to
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make moves like this. You have to show
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people that you are building towards
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something and that's what the Flyers are
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doing.
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>> Yeah. And they've been throwing their
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weight around, you know, in in various
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different ways. They've been trying to
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capitalize on situations that aren't
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advantageous for other teams. You know,
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the Zegris thing, I think we can look at
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that and say, "Yeah, that's that's
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something where um it really worked
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out." Even the Lton trade, like I look
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at the picks the Flyers have now. They
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got they're going to have all their next
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four first round picks. They're not
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going to give them up now. And you know,
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they got one in the first next year, one
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in the second, two in the third. Then
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they've got the Leaf pick in 2028. Um
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their own pick and they got the second
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rounder. they they've got their own
14:39
picks their next four years, right? So,
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um they are going to have assets and I
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obvious
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play on the Phantoms. I don't even know
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where they're going to go. But, um you
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you you look at it and say like if there
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is another opportunity, if a situation
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arises where these guys can take another
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swing at it, they're fully equipped to
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do so. And I think that the league is,
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you know, they're they're definitely the
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ears are perking up around around
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Philadelphia just to like maybe try and
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if you could be the the the number one
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seed there. I mean, there's there's
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going to be some some allure to that
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even though, you know, this team isn't
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like a Florida, Tampa, Dallas, who are
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right in the middle, smack dab in in
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their contending window. So, they still
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got two good goalies. Hopefully, Wol
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stays healthy. They've got a a a defense
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that I think is honestly still a little
15:36
bit underrated. I think they're still
15:38
really decent and I think they have the
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ability with guys like Oliver Bon to get
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better. And the Fords, they just need
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that one guy and that's that's the part
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that sucks about not getting Carlson is
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because there is he was that one guy at
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least if not now for the future. Uh but
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you know, they gave it a shot. That's
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all you can do. And uh screwing with the
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Ducks probably made Brier happy. I'm
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sure he wasn't blind to that either.
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>> Made Ziggress happy. I'm sure Ziggress,
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you know, Mr. Phone call to Verbique
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over there. I'm sure he got a kick out
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of this one. But it's also a sign to
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your players, right, that you are
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serious about this. You know, it's very
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much a sign to the players like we want
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to win. We are not content as we
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currently are. Because a lot of teams
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could have the season like the Flyers
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just had and be like, "All right, good.
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We're we're stepping in the right
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direction. No need to improve. We'll
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improve inhouse." And granted, the
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Flyers are probably going to have to
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improve in house, but it's important to
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show that you're not satisfied to merely
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do that. You want to just take those big
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swings and try to get these guys.
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>> And Philadelphia now is a destination
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for multiple reasons. Like we we knew
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they had Comcast behind them, but now
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they've shown they're willing to make a
16:48
player the highest paid player. the
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Carro Capri off of it all where
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Freriedman reported that one of the
16:53
reasons that Bill Garin locked him up
16:55
because he knew the Flyers would just
16:57
back up the back up the the money for
16:59
him just give him blank check pretty
17:00
much in free agency and having those
17:03
those young wingers having those top
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wingers where a center can come here for
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a few years put up some great numbers
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and then leave if he wants to that's
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perfectly fine like Ray Carlson could
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have done that come here for five years
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put up great numbers with Marton and
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Mkov and Tippet and whoever and either
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decide to stay if he likes it or be
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like, "All right, I'll just put up three
17:24
straight 100 point seasons. Let me let
17:25
me go test the market." And then for
17:27
someone like Austin Matthews, Conor
17:29
McDavid that are in come come alive in
17:32
free agency in a few years, Philadelphia
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now looks like one of those
17:37
destinations. And in two years, the
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Flyers should be ready to take that next
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step if they get that one seat.
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>> Yeah, it it's it's going to be hard to
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find them. It's going to be hard to
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draft them. I mean, especially given
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that the team's already decent, like
17:51
we've said, like the team's going to be
17:52
good. You're not going to get a first
17:54
overall pick. I mean, there is always
17:56
the the off chance that Matthews back
17:58
fails him somewhere in the next year and
18:00
a half and the Leafs uh give you gift
18:02
you something in the top 10, but even
18:04
then, I mean, I I just it's so hard to
18:07
get a guy like Leo Carlson um through
18:10
the draft. That's why you pay, right?
18:12
Also, you pay for those years of
18:14
development that the Ducks have put in
18:16
and um you know, kind of molded him into
18:20
what he potentially could have been
18:21
coming out of the draft or at least
18:23
close to that. Um but as it currently
18:27
sits, I mean, you got a lot of assets to
18:29
make a deal. You got a lot that you can
18:32
swing around and and you've kind of got
18:34
the the league talking, right? So, I I
18:37
don't think it's one of those situations
18:38
where uh nobody's going to deal with the
18:40
Flyers now because they made an offer
18:42
sheet. It just doesn't feel the same to
18:43
me, right? You saw the Mikov offer sheet
18:46
come in. Everybody was going to offer
18:48
Carlson. I think the the Flyers just
18:49
maybe went over the top for him and and
18:52
that ended up being where he was going
18:54
to go, right? But I I don't think it's
18:55
one of those um situations where guys
18:58
are going to be turned off from from
19:00
dealing with the Flyers, from signing
19:01
with the Flyers. I think it's probably
19:03
the opposite. like these guys, they
19:05
treat their players well. They try hard.
19:07
They got a fan base that'll get behind
19:09
them if they're good, you know, if
19:10
they're showing what Flyers fans want to
19:13
be shown on the ice. And I I think it's
19:17
a net positive. Uh just kind of
19:20
disappointing that it didn't come come
19:21
together. But at the same time, 18
19:24
million, man, I I got some numbers here.
19:26
Honestly, I wanted to see over the last
19:27
next 12 months what um Leo Carlson's
19:30
going to be making over the next 12
19:32
months. Uh, I don't know if this is
19:33
right, but I'm just going to assume the
19:35
math is correct. Uh, 3.25 million a
19:38
month for Leo Carlson over the next 12
19:41
months. Uh, 750 750 grand a week,
19:45
>> 106 just over $106,000 a day.
19:50
Uh, just a hair under $4500
19:54
an hour, $74 a minute, and $124
19:59
every second for Mr. Leo Carlson.
20:02
>> What numbers you have there. Wow. And
20:04
that sounds pretty nice. And
20:06
>> I saw it on Instagram. I'll be honest. I
20:08
didn't do the math.
20:09
>> It's one of those things though where
20:10
like if you're a Ducks fan, you can't
20:12
blame him for doing this because that is
20:15
especially for the NHL such a massive
20:17
payday right there. And that's what
20:19
Brier had to do. He had to try and
20:21
overwhelm the Ducks with a deal that
20:24
they possibly couldn't match. And I blah
20:26
blah blah. They're saying, "Well, these
20:27
are so rich. I never even heard of them
20:29
before last week. I don't give a [ __ ]
20:30
about them. But at the end of the day,
20:32
like that's a huge cap hit. That is a
20:34
huge percentage of your cap dedicated to
20:36
one player. Especially Goautier had a
20:39
great season. They are going to have to
20:40
give him some big money. And it might be
20:42
bigger now because of this. And this now
20:45
the Flyers have the flexibility that the
20:47
do the Ducks don't have.
20:49
>> I still think it it wasn't an overpay.
20:51
Like I I'm not going back on that now
20:53
that that the Ducks matched it. I just
20:54
think the Flyers were in a much better
20:56
position to build around it when they
20:58
don't have Frank Vadrono and Alex Korn
21:00
and Chris Krider and
21:03
>> they have a defense.
21:04
>> Yeah. And they they have they have a
21:05
decent defense. Yeah. So they have a
21:06
team around him and and the big thing
21:09
really is that the Flyers are back on
21:11
the map. Like like before this it was
21:13
just complete apathy. And now they have
21:16
a passionate fan base that it's a smart
21:18
fan base. Like you saw the let's go
21:20
Flyers chant the the minute the the
21:22
Flyers lost in overtime for that sweep.
21:24
Like it it was very organic. The
21:26
standing ovation let's go Flyers chance
21:28
like Briier said that a lot of players
21:30
mentioned that to him in the exit
21:32
interviews how great that was to see. So
21:34
it's really all coming together and yes
21:37
this is an optimistic positive outlook
21:39
on it. You can look negatively about oh
21:42
oh Brier tried of course he had to try.
21:44
Other GMs didn't try. This was there
21:46
were two offer sheets this offseason.
21:48
one for Barrett Hayden who okay whatever
21:50
and then this this one for Leo Carlson
21:52
like it's not a thing that be that
21:55
happens very often at all which is why
21:57
it was so big when the Flyers did
21:59
especially for someone like Leo Carlson
22:01
it's usually someone like Broberg or
22:03
Holloway or [ __ ] as revenge it's not
22:07
usually a potential potential very early
22:10
here but potential hall of famer
22:12
>> yeah and and with Carlson he he's
22:16
currently like his first year he's going
22:17
to have um I think 17 just over 17% of
22:21
the cap in Anaheim now um with that $18
22:24
million deal, but he's going to grow
22:25
into that. Like the cap's going to rise
22:27
and in two three years that'll probably
22:29
start to look more like a 1312 million
22:33
deal does now. And I think that's fine.
22:35
That's fine. That's just how the game's
22:36
going to going to turn. It's going to be
22:38
different. But yeah, I I think
22:42
looking at that, looking at what the
22:44
Flyers did and and versus the start of
22:48
the season in particular, which feels
22:50
like three years ago, like September of
22:53
this year, October of this year, like
22:54
even before Risto came back, it feels
22:57
like that was like
22:58
>> I don't know 24 months ago. But you
23:01
started out this season, you know, not
23:03
even with Martone in the picture. He was
23:05
still in college. Um, you were looking
23:07
at Mishkov to kind of carry the offense.
23:10
You didn't know what Ziggers was going
23:11
to do. You thought Dale kind of sucked.
23:13
I think a lot of people at the start of
23:14
the year kind of had a were down on
23:16
Jamie and you didn't know what Var was
23:19
going to do. You didn't have a goalie.
23:20
Now you got, it seems like a starting
23:22
goalie and one of the better backups, if
23:24
not the best backup in the NHL if he's
23:26
healthy. If he's healthy and playing
23:28
well. Uh, and and the outlook of the
23:30
team does look a lot different. So, yes,
23:32
it's it's upsetting that they don't get
23:34
Carlson because he's a great player and
23:36
I think he's going to be an amazing
23:37
player in the future and I'm not going
23:39
to change my opinion on that. Uh, but
23:42
the
23:44
general vibe, the general feeling around
23:47
the team is so much better. It's so much
23:49
more improved than it was, you know, 6
23:52
to 9 months ago that it is still a
23:56
success even if in the moment it is
23:59
upsetting. I mean, you these shots
24:01
rarely ever work out. The offer sheet
24:03
stuff, it it just it's hard in the NHL
24:06
for it to get done. We saw with the
24:07
Weber thing initially, and it was a bit
24:09
more taboo back then, but it's still not
24:12
much has changed. It's it it's gotten a
24:14
little bit more, you know, probably
24:16
because of the, like you said, the
24:17
Broberg and Holloway stuff. It's gotten
24:19
a bit more normalized, but like, you
24:21
know, the [ __ ] and the Emmy thing was
24:23
out of spite. You know, that was the
24:24
only reason why that was there because
24:26
of the Aaho one before. Um, and
24:30
I I think I I think it's hard to see
24:33
this as a negative unless you're
24:35
strictly talking from the standpoint of
24:37
Briier didn't get this done, but like he
24:39
did all he can. He even if he convinced
24:41
Carlson to want to play in Philly, which
24:43
we'll never know if Carlson wanted to
24:45
stay or go or what where his heart lied,
24:47
right? And that doesn't really matter to
24:49
be honest. Uh, but he did everything he
24:52
could and he took the big swing and I
24:54
think that's a net positive for the
24:56
Flyers in general.
24:58
>> Yeah, I I thought about coming on here
24:59
guns ablazing as far as like being super
25:02
sarcastic and being like, you know,
25:04
Danny Brier should get fired. He's a
25:06
real piece of crap. Like he just doesn't
25:08
know what he's doing in there. Get
25:10
somebody experience.
25:11
>> I always thought Simone G should have
25:12
been GM anyways.
25:13
>> I mean like like oh yeah, why don't we
25:16
just bring in Ron Francis or somebody?
25:18
Like, no. I couldn't even like bring
25:20
myself to do that because I do feel
25:21
overwhelmingly positive about this whole
25:23
thing because you got to take your shots
25:25
where you can get them. And that's about
25:27
as good as you can do. That's as close
25:29
to a max contract as you can get in the
25:32
NHL right now. That is an unprecedented
25:35
cap hit. Nobody has made that much
25:37
before this contract. So, if you are
25:40
trying to be negative on Briier for
25:42
this, you're a loser. You got to just
25:44
stop being a loser, okay? because it's
25:47
just unbelievable. Like this is a good
25:50
shot that you have to take and there are
25:52
other things you have to do, right? But
25:54
like and he's very well aware that you
25:56
have to get a 1C, but stop being
25:59
negative if you're being negative
26:00
because this is a good sign.
26:03
>> Yeah. The people that are negative just
26:05
like to be negative and
26:06
>> it's a bit at this point. It's a
26:08
>> you have to have that that juxosition
26:09
and they just want to be able to be
26:11
right and then if things go well,
26:13
they're wrong, but they're happy because
26:14
the team's winning. It's the easiest way
26:16
to be a sport fan and I completely one
26:18
team wins every year. The other 31
26:20
teams, whatever whatever league you're
26:22
in, they're all negative. So, it's
26:24
understandable. Shout out to them if
26:26
they're if they're still negative
26:27
through all through all this. It's, you
26:28
know, commitment to the bit. I
26:30
absolutely respect that. But, but both
26:32
of you guys said it. You have to take
26:33
the swings when they are there. And
26:36
players like this don't become available
26:38
very often. Players half as good as
26:41
Carlson don't become available very
26:42
often. I'm looking through the free
26:44
agency classes next year, the year after
26:47
that, like even But these guys aren't
26:49
going to get to free agency. That
26:51
doesn't happen anymore. That's what we
26:52
thought this class was going to be with
26:54
with McDavid and Capri off and Kyle
26:56
Connor and all these guys.
26:59
>> Did you see what people would give up
27:00
for Maverick Bourke?
27:03
>> You know, should should offer to
27:04
Maverick Bourke for for nine and a half
27:06
million instead of instead of doing
27:07
this. That would have been that would
27:09
have been to add another center that's
27:11
not necessarily any better than the guys
27:14
the Flyers have.
27:15
>> Yeah.
27:16
>> Yeah. Shout out everyone.
27:17
>> Shout out everyone watching though. Over
27:19
100 here. Make sure you hit that like
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button and subscribe to
27:22
>> Appreciate you guys. Realistically
27:24
though, like you're right. If you look
27:26
at the guys like McDavid, McKinnon, um,
27:30
whatever, all the best players in the
27:32
league,
27:33
they're going to sign the contract. And
27:35
if they don't want to be where they are,
27:38
they'll just ask out. I mean, you know,
27:40
these guys just, if McDavid asks out, it
27:42
doesn't really matter if he's on a
27:44
contract, like, what are you just going
27:45
to do? Like, we've seen it play out with
27:47
Larkin. What are you going to do? just
27:48
have the guy who's your captain, best
27:50
player, best forward, best defenseman
27:52
just be upset about being there and then
27:55
eventually just wind down his contract
27:57
and then leave, right? Like that's
27:59
that's the thing. That's why everyone
28:00
was so nervous up here in Toronto um
28:04
about Matthews. Like it's not like his
28:06
contract is imminently running out, but
28:08
if he says I want to go, you kind of got
28:11
to get rid of him now because you need
28:12
to recoup your assets. You can't lose
28:14
these guys for nothing. So, it's just
28:17
it's not Yeah. Negativity.
28:20
There is a certain segment of the fan
28:22
base that is just always going to be
28:24
that way. And that's every fan base. I
28:26
mean, there's not like I I I won't sit
28:28
here and lie to people like there isn't
28:30
reasons to be negative about the Flyers
28:32
if you've been a Flyers fan for the last
28:33
30 years or whatever, right? There's
28:35
>> lots of reasons.
28:36
>> I get it. It's just, you know, you got
28:38
to be rational.
28:39
>> Be negative about the draft, right?
28:40
Like, if you want to be mad at
28:41
something, be mad about Jet Lucenko. be
28:44
mad about uh Jack Nesbbit, right? That
28:46
stuff you can actually be mad at. I
28:49
would say maybe you need to have a
28:50
little bit of patience to see what these
28:51
guys pan out to be, but you have a
28:53
legitimate points to be mad about that.
28:55
There is no legitimate point to be mad
28:57
being mad about this offer sheet.
28:59
There's none or this off season at all
29:02
outside of the draft. Like you said
29:04
there, I said this before, like there's
29:05
nothing out there I would have wanted
29:07
the Flyers to do that other teams did
29:09
besides John Carlson who wanted to go to
29:11
Tampa Bay to have play and finish his
29:13
career there probably and have a better
29:15
chance to win in the next two years than
29:17
he would have had here. That's that's
29:19
the only thing besides this offer sheet
29:21
that has really been disappointing this
29:23
offseason. Didn't want didn't want
29:24
Darnell Nurse. Weren't going to get
29:26
Warren. Maybe they're able to maybe
29:30
Larkin. Like Steve, you're bringing up
29:32
Larkin. Maybe the Red Wings and Larkin
29:34
are like, "All right, Flyers offered us,
29:36
you know, tippet kates and something
29:38
like would you like would Larkin want to
29:40
go to Philly now?" But I I don't know. I
29:43
I it's it's just a
29:46
it's disappointing because the Flyers
29:48
were mentioned in so many rumors and
29:50
reports and they wanted to do things and
29:52
they ended up signing a backup goalie,
29:54
Nolachari, and some depth players,
29:58
>> right? But I mean my biggest thing going
30:00
into next season and why I'm optimistic
30:02
is year two of Porter Martone. Oh man,
30:05
year two of Porter Martone. I am so
30:06
excited for that. I'm excited to see
30:08
what Mishkov comes back like. I'm hoping
30:11
he looks like the damn Terminator. I'm
30:13
talking 1980s
30:15
OG Terminator. T1. All right. No, I T2
30:18
is the one you want. That's when he's
30:19
the most ripped. But I want him to just
30:21
look like unbelievable next year. And
30:23
even like very good would be fine by me.
30:26
Tyson Forester, healthy year, very good
30:29
contract for Tyson Forester, especially
30:30
if he's a 30 plus goal scorer. There's a
30:33
lot of things to be optimistic about
30:34
with this team. And that's not even
30:36
including Barky Bump, these guys who
30:38
showed a lot of good growth in their
30:40
rookie seasons that Bump is not even his
30:42
official rookie season yet. So, there's
30:45
a lot of really optimistic things and
30:47
that's without the Flyers adding stuff.
30:48
Oliver Bon is gonna be, you know, on the
30:51
team at some point soon. And I really
30:52
like what I've seen from him at the pro
30:54
level so far. And I want him to look,
30:56
you know, if he turns into a really
30:58
solid second pair guy, I'm thrilled.
31:00
>> Yeah. And and it's just the problem of
31:05
not getting the main guy. The main guy
31:06
is just not here yet. Um I think Martone
31:10
could be, you know, the sky's is the
31:12
limit for him, right? It's just you
31:14
don't have the centerman for him and you
31:16
would really want to grab that guy at
31:18
some point somewhere down the line. But
31:21
you can't force it. That's, you know, at
31:23
the end of the day, maybe Carlson just
31:25
uses as a negotiating tactic, right?
31:27
Like there's no, it's never set in
31:29
stone. Obviously, he's got to sign the
31:30
offer sheet with the Flyers, but who's
31:32
not signing the $18 million per year
31:35
contract? Everyone's doing that. I'm
31:36
doing that. You know, I don't care where
31:38
I'm playing. And
31:41
eventually there there will be another
31:43
chance to find somebody like that. You
31:45
just got to keep building. You just got
31:47
to keep getting guys. And and I think
31:49
they've made a development pathway for a
31:51
lot of guys, you know, like Barky, like
31:54
Bump and Bonk and all the other guys who
31:56
have a B name. Um they're going to be
32:00
churning out NHLers that you don't
32:02
expect. I think that we've looked at the
32:04
Phantoms now. they've done a lot better
32:06
than, you know, back in the day when we
32:08
had Lappy as coach and it just looked
32:09
like there's a bunch of also also ran
32:13
hasbins down there just kind of biting
32:15
their time, picking up their, you know,
32:17
$650,000
32:20
uh two-way deal and going home. But now
32:23
it looks like they got guys down there
32:24
who, you know, can provide a little bit
32:27
of a of a system, can, you know, churn
32:30
out talent from the lower levels. And
32:34
maybe maybe there is somewhere down the
32:36
line where they can find someone of
32:39
Carlson's ilk where they can take
32:41
another swing at it. um maybe sooner
32:43
rather than later, but I I have the
32:45
faith now that they know what they're bu
32:48
what they're building and they have
32:50
enough blocks in place to where even if
32:54
you got a Tusi, even you got another guy
32:56
like Zegris or you know, let's say they
32:59
got a guy like Shane Wright and he
33:00
eventually turns it on or Matty Baneer
33:02
because he turns and he turns it on
33:04
because he's not in Seattle anymore. You
33:06
know, I could see those guys still being
33:08
a very good team. I don't think
33:09
Sebastian Aaho is in like the top
33:13
>> 10 players in the NHL. He's the best
33:16
center on the Hurricanes though and they
33:18
won the cup. So, you know, like me and
33:20
Steve were talking about yesterday, you
33:22
beat guys over the head with depth
33:24
nowadays. You know, that's just kind of
33:25
how it is. And I think the Flyers are on
33:27
that sort of path. And
33:30
if they get the one, great. If they
33:32
don't, I think they can build something
33:33
that's very successful here regardless.
33:35
And it's really annoying to people that
33:37
they've taken these shots at guys like
33:39
Bergland and Nesbit and Luchenko over
33:41
the past few years. But if all three of
33:43
those guys turn out solid in some way,
33:45
even if it's in a bottom six role,
33:47
that's still a worthwhile draft pick
33:50
because you got an NHL player out of
33:52
that. And if frankly, if any of Nesbit
33:55
or Berglin turns into a 2C or a 3C, like
33:58
that's a big win for this team because
34:00
they need all those guys throughout the
34:02
lineup. They need guys in all those
34:03
roles
34:04
>> and those guys will be coming up on
34:07
their ELC's when the Flyers are ready to
34:09
pay big money for McDavid, big money for
34:11
Matthews, big money for whoever. And
34:14
having
34:14
>> big money in house, big money, you know,
34:17
>> big money Marton, big money Mechov, like
34:19
they're built. You have to have that
34:20
depth where you have a great a great
34:22
threeC, a great third line, what really
34:24
is what wins championships. And I I'll
34:28
keep I'll keep beating this drum. The
34:29
Flyers are like they're building like
34:31
the Hurricanes but with higher top end
34:33
talent. Marton Mechov have higher
34:36
ceilings I think than most of the
34:38
Hurricanes players and you know Tippet
34:39
connect as well all these other guys and
34:42
there are a lot of internal improvements
34:44
that can happen. Looking at Trevor
34:46
Zagris 67 points last year he played a
34:49
lot of minutes with Christian D'vorak.
34:51
He played over 510 minutes with
34:53
Christian D'vorak at five on five. If
34:55
Ziggress can be a center and and you
34:57
know he had connect Tippet as his winger
35:00
for those 500 minutes but if you put
35:02
Ziggris with connecter Tippet and
35:04
Martone or Forester to help you know
35:07
some of that defensive stuff that's a
35:08
great line and Ziggris can get to 75 80
35:11
points if he has a more offensive better
35:14
linemates and a better power play as
35:16
well. And I'm just looking at the Flyers
35:19
like the the points point leaders from
35:21
last season. You're gonna have more than
35:23
three points in 66 games from a fourth
35:25
liner like Caretta Hathaway. You're
35:27
gonna have more than 13 points. Carl
35:30
Grunstrom played 47 games. I love Carl.
35:32
That's that's too many for a playoff
35:34
team. He had 13 points. Like you're
35:35
gonna you're gonna raise the floor and
35:38
that's going to raise the ceiling.
35:40
>> Yeah. And I like that. Raise the floor
35:42
and that's going to raise the ceiling.
35:44
That you should work in the Flyers PR
35:45
department. That's good.
35:46
>> Yeah. That that put that on a shirt.
35:48
Yeah. Give me a call. Give me a call.
35:49
Ignite the Orange was a lot worse than
35:52
that to be honest. Why would I want to
35:55
light an orange on fire when I'm
35:56
supposed to? Yeah, orange is delicious.
35:58
Um,
35:59
>> no, but the the like you said like even
36:01
even a lot look around the league. There
36:04
are McDavids out there. There are the
36:05
Cabbrinis of the world who come in,
36:07
they're immediately sick. You know,
36:08
Matthew Schaefer, that is the way to do
36:10
it, right? But anybody could have
36:12
drafted those guys. But there are, you
36:14
know, teams out there, Anthony Celli
36:17
wasn't a guarantee. Braden Point wasn't
36:19
a guarantee. These aren't guys who were
36:20
like tailorade studs going to be
36:23
cupwinning elite players. And you find a
36:26
way to build him into that. I mean,
36:28
Zegris at one point in his career was
36:30
seen as the face of American hockey. He
36:32
was on the NHL cover. Like I remember
36:34
it. Uh, everyone thought, especially
36:37
people my age, thought that he was going
36:39
to be the next guy. And, you know,
36:40
Verbique and and the Ducks eventually
36:43
just kind of lost, you know, they the
36:45
shiny new toy was no longer shiny. and
36:47
that was it. But there are ways you can
36:50
find guys and rehabilitate them. You
36:53
know, Matty Baneer is a guy I look at
36:55
and and and if you could get him out of
36:57
Seattle, which it'd be tough because
36:58
it's a guy you really want, but he's one
37:01
of those guys you look at and say if you
37:04
can get him out of there, put him in a
37:05
better system, put him around a bunch of
37:07
offensive wingers, bunch of guys who try
37:09
really hard. Like this team tries and
37:11
plays for one another. I was so
37:13
impressed with how they played this
37:14
season and and the fact that they were
37:16
able to get past the Penguins in that
37:19
series. I think it does change how you
37:21
view like it could have been it was
37:24
already a success at that point, right?
37:26
It could have been a success whether or
37:28
not they won. But just even when they
37:31
didn't have their best stuff, even when
37:32
you saw the skill disparity of top end
37:35
talent versus top end talent, and not,
37:37
you know, obviously Martone could be the
37:38
best player in the goddamn league if he
37:40
if he so chooses and if he develops,
37:43
right, but at that moment in time,
37:45
Cydney Crosby of Genny Malcin, Eric
37:47
Carlson, like those guys are Hall of
37:50
Famers, like first ballot locked in Hall
37:52
of Famers. And the Flyers are able to
37:55
summon up whatever they needed. a Cam
37:58
York random seeing eye shot from the
38:01
point after just trying to hang on in
38:03
those last two to three games. Um that
38:06
takes something that even good teams
38:09
don't have, you know, like even teams
38:12
that are stud that have all the studs
38:14
have the number one seeds. You look at
38:15
the Leafs and stuff like that again,
38:18
they just didn't have that sort of rally
38:21
around the logo sort of vibe to them.
38:24
And even with how good they were, how
38:27
good their top end talent was, it just
38:29
didn't end up working out. I think the
38:31
Flyers have intangibly
38:33
um intangibly, is that even a word? They
38:36
have the intangibles. Oh, it is. Oh,
38:37
okay. Nice. Let's go. Intangibly. And
38:40
and just like the the way that they uh
38:43
sort of built built the roster out.
38:45
They've sort of rebuilt how the
38:47
organization looks at young players. I
38:50
think they're moving in the right
38:51
direction. I really do. And and you
38:54
know, they could have sped up the
38:55
timeline again here by getting Carlson.
38:58
It would have really put him into
38:59
overdrive and then they'd have to make a
39:01
ton of moves. I don't even know. We'd be
39:03
talking about tomorrow if they didn't
39:04
match. And how we'd have to like All
39:07
right. Where are we? We're We're just
39:09
shoveling off throwing chairs off the
39:10
side of the ship just where you million
39:13
of money. Yeah. Where's Coots going?
39:16
Coots, are you taking three billion
39:18
less? Can we like somehow restructure
39:22
>> let's go to NFL. Let's let's go NFL.
39:23
>> Let's go NFL mode now. You're now sue.
39:27
[laughter]
39:28
>> Yeah. And and like the Ducks have to do
39:30
that now. The Ducks have to probably
39:31
attach draft picks to trade away those
39:34
Colorins or or Vano or Krider or whoever
39:37
else.
39:37
>> Yeah. Good luck trading those guys.
39:39
>> It would be funny if the Flyers just
39:40
traded for Troy Terry for like a fourth.
39:44
>> Yeah. They do something afterwards.
39:46
after the fact that because I I'm
39:48
interested to to find out if there's
39:50
going to be any reports that like the
39:52
Flyers and Ducks tried to negotiate a
39:54
trade in case the Ducks weren't going to
39:56
do it. But I I have to think the Ducks
39:59
just were immediately like, "All right,
40:00
we're matching. Let's just wait till
40:01
let's just wait six of the seven days to
40:04
um match that there." But, you know, the
40:06
Flyers are going in the right direction.
40:08
And where do we think they could go the
40:11
rest of the off season possibly? like it
40:13
it's not likely they make another big
40:15
move or or anything like that. Um we had
40:18
on the website today, you know, three
40:19
other things they could do. Lock up
40:21
their own guys, get a power play
40:22
quarterback, get another center. Uh you
40:26
mentioned Shane Wright is an option.
40:28
Mattie Baneers would be an option. And
40:30
those guys have obviously disappointed
40:32
so far. And there you have to worry
40:34
about like the human factor of it. Uh
40:37
and like all that stuff, but you look at
40:38
Seattle, they were under 500 points
40:40
percentage these past three seasons.
40:42
like you want to like they're
40:44
professionals. They're going to play
40:45
hard, but like sh like they're not going
40:46
to be getting up for these these games
40:48
in the a random Tuesday night against
40:50
against Utah like if they're not in in
40:53
the playoff push. So I I I wouldn't mind
40:55
taking a shot on Shane Wright, Matty
40:57
Beneers, Dylan Larkin if he becomes, you
41:00
know, willing to come to Philadelphia.
41:03
Maybe anyone else that becomes
41:04
available. But like who who do you you
41:06
guys want the Flyers to go after next,
41:08
if anybody? Yeah, I like all those
41:11
names.
41:11
>> Yeah, they're they're all good. Um I
41:14
didn't think anybody in free agency this
41:15
year was that sexy. Like I'm not jumping
41:18
out the window to pay Mason Marchman
41:20
seven mil a year. I don't want Jacob
41:22
Trouba. You know, you see Babroski get
41:25
signed a guy like Anders. Obviously, you
41:27
don't need Babski. And Lee, I mean,
41:30
that's way past the point of where you'd
41:33
want Anders Lee and it doesn't really
41:34
fit the timeline anyways, right? He'd
41:36
just be another piece in the puzzle
41:38
hopefully.
41:39
Like, are you getting Coltton Sizz?
41:41
Like, I I'm not really hyped up for
41:43
anybody who was a free agent this year
41:45
and and they got money. Like, all these
41:47
guys got paid. Um, it's it would just be
41:51
like maybe maybe just sign your own
41:53
guys. Maybe that's what it is.
41:55
>> Definitely sign your own guys. Like I
41:57
want to see, frankly, if I could see it
41:59
tomorrow, that would be great. The Dale
42:01
and the Zegris contracts. I think the
42:03
Dale contract is more or less done from
42:06
everything I've heard. Zegris might need
42:09
a little bit more maneuvering, a little
42:10
bit more work. And granted, he was the
42:12
best offensive player for the team most
42:14
nights last year and in a lot of the
42:16
playoffs. So, I understand, but uh I'd
42:18
like to see them get those things worked
42:20
out. And yeah, I I wouldn't mind taking
42:22
a swing at a right or Beneers. I would
42:24
love Larkin. Larkin would fit this team
42:26
really really well. I just don't think
42:28
he wants to come here based on what I've
42:30
heard. He wants to go to a team that's a
42:32
lot more established than where the
42:33
Flyers are at. But hey, maybe Beggars
42:35
can't be choosers. I don't know. But
42:38
that's all big stuff for me. I also
42:39
wouldn't mind maybe taking a shot at
42:41
like Morgan Riley from the Leafs or
42:42
something for power play quarterback. I
42:44
think that'd be a decent fit here. I am
42:46
very curious about the wrist linen of it
42:49
all because there's been so many trade
42:51
rumors around wristan. Do they try to
42:54
move on from him still or did they just
42:55
stay pat with him? Because we did see
42:57
the best of Risto post Olympic break
42:59
last year. So maybe we just roll with it
43:02
through the last year and just say uh
43:04
good luck so long and thanks for all the
43:06
fish on the way out the door.
43:07
>> The the risoto of it all is interesting
43:09
because it it does seem like the Flyers
43:12
want to trade him. It seems like the
43:13
Flyers wanted to shake up their their
43:15
their blue line, you know, make some
43:17
changes back there. I wouldn't hate the
43:20
idea of Morgan Riley. Um I I know a lot
43:22
of people wouldn't want him. They think,
43:23
you know, maybe he has a lot of miles on
43:26
him. He hasn't really quarterback to
43:27
power play in a few years, but he hasn't
43:30
missed many games in the past few years.
43:31
And you know, maybe he's due for an
43:33
injury at some point, but my my big
43:36
thing with Risto is like you you pencil
43:38
him to pencil him in to to miss a month
43:40
or two in the season. And you can't
43:42
really afford that when you're counting
43:44
on like Bon to take a step up. Year, you
43:47
don't know if he's going to be good
43:48
defensively. And you don't have another
43:50
really defenseman of that prototype. You
43:52
have Simone Benois, you have Nick Cer,
43:54
but those are third pair of guys. You
43:56
don't have a top four physical
43:58
defenseman that Keith Jones probably
44:00
still wants to get this summer.
44:02
>> No, and I think that's that is an
44:03
archetype of guy that you need to some
44:05
extent. Like an Aaron Ecklad type guy. I
44:09
mean, obviously he was the number one
44:10
overall pick. He was the top pair
44:12
defenseman on on the Panthers for a
44:14
really long time, but you know, you look
44:15
a little bit later in his career, Jake
44:17
Jake McCabe, even somebody like that.
44:19
Riley doesn't necessarily fit the the
44:21
toughness mold, but I do like his
44:23
overall play. I think he's due for a bit
44:25
of a career renaissance. I think he's
44:27
just kind of ran his race in Toronto. I
44:30
He's been in trade rumors forever. It's
44:32
kind of like the Jaylen Brown thing,
44:33
honestly. Like, how how long's it been
44:36
since there hasn't been a Morgan Riley
44:38
trade rumor? feels like it's been five
44:40
years and he's just like maybe Morgan
44:41
Riley is going to go this year and he
44:43
never does and he probably won't but
44:45
>> at the end of the day yeah it is
44:47
actually
44:49
yeah
44:50
>> yeah it is like Risto in that respect
44:52
and there's again I think I'm just part
44:56
of me like I 70% of me wanted Leo
44:59
Carlson obviously but there was a part
45:01
of me that's like maybe we can just like
45:04
you know take this a little slow we'll
45:07
be a little discerning with who you're
45:08
going bring in. You've made some good. I
45:10
don't think he's made Danny's made any
45:12
like outand-out bad moves. I think the
45:14
Wall trade's good. The Ddale trade I
45:16
think you got as much as you could out
45:18
of that. I think it obviously um his
45:21
hands were tied there, but I think I
45:22
like how it ended up um relatively. And
45:26
the Zegris thing was was a coup, right?
45:28
That was a great great, you know, move
45:30
to make a buy low candidate uh that's
45:34
really turned out. Um, and they have
45:38
assets. That's that's something that is
45:40
really necessary for all of this. And as
45:43
we enter a world that, you know, the NHL
45:45
is going to get a lot more there's going
45:47
to be I feels like there's just going to
45:48
be more player movement. I feel like um
45:51
there are going to be guys who
45:53
especially the younger guys who are
45:54
coming up now. I don't know if they're
45:56
married necessarily to staying with
45:58
their teams. Like the McDavid thing.
46:00
McDavid to me is a one of one in the way
46:03
of like I don't know if he'll just stay
46:05
in Edmonton forever just because that's
46:07
what he's got set in his mind. But I
46:10
don't think there's a lot of those guys
46:12
coming out of the draft now who are like
46:14
yeah this team drafted me. I'm going to
46:16
pledge my loyalty to them and I'm going
46:19
to play here for 10 15 years. And we saw
46:22
with Carlson it's like hey if you don't
46:23
want to pay me I will get paid somewhere
46:25
else. Like if you don't want to pay me
46:27
I'll go. Um, and I don't see that being
46:30
the last time something like that's
46:31
gonna happen. So,
46:32
>> no, definitely not. It's a new archetype
46:34
in the league because I mean, we saw it
46:36
with Goautier. We saw it with Adam Fox a
46:38
few years ago. Guys really want to
46:40
dictate where they are going. Uh,
46:42
especially American guys, by the way.
46:44
Maybe it's
46:44
>> especially out of the draft. It is
46:46
definitely an American thing.
46:47
>> Yeah. More than like a Swedish dude. I
46:49
got to just, you know.
46:50
>> Yeah.
46:51
>> Elias Person's been asking out for 15
46:53
years.
46:53
>> They're like, "Yeah, okay, Pety. Okay,
46:55
Petey.
46:55
>> All right. All right. [laughter]
46:57
Well, We already have the other
46:58
alliance. Why would I
47:00
>> That's where building something special,
47:02
building a destination really comes into
47:04
play because right now everybody when
47:06
you hear a trade rumor, right, where a
47:07
guy's demanding a trade, it's like,
47:09
well, I want to go to Minnesota. I want
47:11
to go to Vegas. I want to go to Florida.
47:13
Like, they just want to go to places
47:14
where they're probably going to win,
47:15
which I I understand, but like that's
47:18
why you have to build up to being to one
47:20
of those places. Like Minnesota wasn't
47:21
even that place until they got Quinn.
47:24
Until they got Quinn.
47:25
>> It's still not It's still not the place.
47:26
still not I feel like I feel like Bill
47:29
Garin's just like saying to people like
47:31
can you mention Minnesota as one of the
47:33
teams with Vegas like that would be nice
47:35
Vegas Florida Minnesota like
47:37
>> yeah sure Bill I'll do you a solid okay
47:39
>> I I'm sure also if if Bill Garin is
47:42
going to pick the next Olympic team it's
47:45
probably good if you're an American guy
47:46
and said yeah I'll go to Minnesota
47:50
>> that can't hurt that's for sure
47:51
>> send me to Minnesota so
47:53
>> oh the land of lakes
47:54
>> I would love to be a healthy scratch on
47:56
gold medal winning team in three and a
47:58
half years.
48:00
>> Yeah, you you win the gold medal without
48:02
without doing anything or that would win
48:04
a medal whatever without doing anything.
48:05
So there but yeah like Shane Wright I'm
48:08
trying to read up like what the right
48:10
what the Kraken would want for him and
48:13
like it seems like maybe a similar type
48:15
player that's in a change of scenery
48:17
type thing. I wouldn't do tippet for
48:20
him. I don't I don't I don't think
48:22
>> David Yerichek
48:24
>> I wonder if they would I I would I would
48:26
love to to flip David or something, but
48:28
like I wonder if Seattle would do like a
48:30
Jet Lucenko in a third. Like you get you
48:32
get another young center who we don't
48:35
know. He's he played in the playoffs
48:37
with some sort of injury that they had
48:39
to have a surgery for, which is which is
48:40
awful there. But like like that wouldn't
48:42
hurt the Flyers roster.
48:44
>> No. At the same time, where does Wright
48:46
play that you have to then make another
48:48
trade, another move? It's just there's
48:50
so many dominoes, so many moving parts
48:52
that makes it tough to be like, "Okay,
48:54
yeah, let's go get Shane Wright. He'll
48:55
play 3C and we'll move on."
48:58
>> And that's where I'm at right now is
48:59
like I know it's disappointing to say
49:01
you didn't change anything, but like I
49:04
don't know, it's a pretty solid team and
49:06
you got to let these guys grow. And
49:08
frankly, if somebody is a turd out there
49:11
this year and you want to trade them
49:12
because of that, by all means, but
49:14
there's nobody that has to be traded. I
49:16
mean, if you look at the roster as it's
49:18
constructed right now, one of Bumper
49:20
Barky is on the fourth line, which is
49:22
like wild to think about because neither
49:25
of those guys are fourth line players.
49:27
They should be third line or better. So,
49:29
I mean, Mishkoff is probably going to be
49:30
a third line player again this year, and
49:32
that's a whole other conversation we're
49:33
not getting into right now. But, that's
49:35
because of the depth on this team. And
49:38
especially on wing, you have a lot of
49:39
depth and there's a lot of guys who can
49:41
play interchangeable at center and
49:42
everything. Like it would have been
49:44
great if they had gotten Jaru because he
49:45
would have helped the power play. He
49:46
would have looked really good on that
49:47
potential third line, but they don't
49:49
need him at the end of the day. And
49:51
Carlson was a guy they needed, but we'll
49:54
figure it out, right? I mean, you're
49:55
going to take other shots at guys as the
49:58
roster is. It is disappointing, but
50:00
these guys are going to grow. They're
50:01
going to learn. They are going to be
50:02
better hockey players at the end of the
50:04
season.
50:04
>> Yeah. And and even even when every time
50:07
I look at Barky on the fourth line, I'm
50:09
just like, why is he even there? Like
50:11
it's like an it's like an elephant
50:13
standing out in the Arctic Circle or
50:15
something. I'm like what the hell is
50:16
this guy doing here? Like he's not he he
50:18
was a rookie last year. He was a rookie
50:20
last year and could have played on the
50:22
first line and would not have you know
50:24
been out of place, right? And and that's
50:26
a third round pick who's about, you
50:28
know, 6 in shorter than I am damn near
50:30
on skates. So like there's only room for
50:34
improvement for all of these guys. You
50:36
don't know what the ceiling of bump is.
50:37
You don't know what the ceiling of Barky
50:39
is because these guys weren't supposed
50:40
to be that good immediately. Maybe they
50:42
suck next year. I doubt it, but maybe
50:44
they do. Then you have, you know, a a
50:48
bit of actionable information. You can
50:49
be like, "Hey, now we got to go, you
50:51
know, chalk him out. You know, we'll try
50:54
the next guy. We'll get Grabbankin back
50:56
in. We'll get Grundy back in here. You
50:59
know, we'll get another young guy." Um,
51:01
but but even at center, you know, you
51:03
got depth. D'vorak, Kates, Coots, like
51:06
these guys are all decent centers.
51:08
Zegris, um
51:11
it's like it's just the one guy and I
51:14
think they have the sorts of players
51:18
littered throughout the lineup,
51:19
throughout their system that when you
51:21
put them together with some picks, you
51:22
can trade for pretty much anybody. And
51:24
like Steve said, it is just about
51:26
proving that you are the destination
51:28
that people want to go to. Um because I
51:30
don't you know Minnesota for years for
51:33
basically my entire childhood and
51:35
adolescence nobody's signing in
51:37
Minnesota like nobody wants to do that.
51:40
I guess there's more Minnesota guys who
51:42
came up through the the system and you
51:44
know played there as Golden Gophers or
51:47
whatever played high school hockey there
51:48
and now it's a bit different but that
51:50
was the case back then too. I mean, it's
51:52
just you got to make yourself somewhere
51:55
attractive um for players before you can
51:58
really start making these moves. And I
52:00
think if nothing else, the Carlson thing
52:02
shows that the Flyers are at least on
52:04
the way to doing that, if not pretty
52:05
much already there, especially when you
52:08
look around the division.
52:09
>> Yeah. And the Flyers have the
52:11
flexibility to make those moves. They
52:13
haven't signed haven't signed those
52:15
contracts that the Ducks did. They
52:16
didn't sign comp and comper like like
52:18
the Red Wings did. They haven't overpaid
52:21
really anybody too much. You can argue
52:23
here or there a million dollars or two,
52:24
whatever. But and I also don't think
52:26
this is going to change anything for
52:28
Zegris or Dale or or Beach Coff or
52:30
Martone in upcoming contract
52:32
negotiations. Like everyone's like, "All
52:34
right, you paid Carlson$ 18 million.
52:35
These guys are going to ask for for 15
52:37
million." It's like, "No, Carlson is a
52:39
legitimate topline center in in the
52:41
league. He's one of the top could be one
52:42
of the top five 10 centers in the
52:44
league. Maybe Martone yet to pay him
52:46
that$18 million. Maybe Mitchoff improves
52:48
and you pay him 18 million, but they're
52:51
Ziggress and Dale aren't going to be
52:52
asking that much more after this Carlson
52:55
offer sheet.
52:56
>> No, definitely not. Like Zegris, I'm
52:58
very curious to see what the final
53:00
number ends up as, but if it's around
53:02
like nine or something like that for
53:04
eight years, like I'm I'm pretty happy
53:05
with that, especially with that rising
53:07
cap. I love that Tyson Forester deal
53:09
more and more each day right now. 7.1
53:12
until 2035. Like you got to love that
53:16
especially if he grows into the deal
53:17
like we think he's going to. And that
53:19
Owen Tippet deal is a fantastic deal for
53:22
this team right now because even if you
53:24
don't move Tippet 6.2 million a year for
53:27
AAV is really really good for what that
53:30
guy brings every night. The speed, the
53:32
physicality we saw in the playoffs.
53:34
Really good hockey player. And if you
53:36
trade him, the contract makes him even
53:38
more valuable.
53:39
>> You can get three Owen tippets for the
53:41
price of Leo Carlson. And that's not
53:42
saying that Leo Carlson's not worth a
53:44
lot of money, but that's just saying
53:46
like the tippet thing has only aged
53:48
better and better as as he's gone on.
53:51
And he hasn't even taken really that
53:53
next step yet. He's obviously still got
53:55
a lot of those um he's got the skating
53:57
numbers. He's lighting NHL edge on fire
54:00
um every time he's playing. But but he
54:03
hasn't had that necessarily that
54:05
breakout or even a center really who is
54:08
elite playing alongside him or a really
54:10
good offensive player, right? He's had
54:12
some good defensive centers play beside
54:13
him and that makes him effective in in
54:15
other ways and they can still put
54:17
together a good line with with him and
54:18
and maybe a D'vorak or a Kates, but he
54:21
hasn't had that guy in the middle who's
54:23
who's a stud yet. Um out and out 1C and
54:27
even if they did, who's to say Tippet's
54:29
going to play in the first line, you
54:30
know, like it's it's up to that point,
54:32
you know, Mishkov could be back on the
54:34
first line in two months. Uh, Barky
54:36
could be on the first line. Bump could
54:38
be on the first line. Conknney,
54:40
Forester. I mean, there's just so many
54:43
moving parts here that are all decent.
54:46
They're all solid. I don't think
54:47
anybody, you can't look at anybody on
54:49
the roster right now and say they're
54:51
dead weight. And even Coots, right?
54:52
Coots had a a second half um maybe maybe
54:56
this the last quarter of the year that
54:59
was really good and then the playoffs.
55:01
But he looks solid. I mean, I wouldn't
55:02
be upset if you you moved him back up to
55:04
the third line, tried to give him a
55:05
little more responsibility, and at worst
55:07
case scenario, he's a fourth line
55:08
center, and he kills a lot of penalties.
55:10
Um, and and he's got some some vet
55:13
experience, right? He plays he plays
55:14
hockey the right way, which is what we
55:17
all want.
55:18
>> Oh, play in the right way.
55:19
>> You love play the game.
55:22
>> That that couttori Barket tippet line
55:24
was was fantastic last year that time.
55:26
So you you get Couttoriier with someone
55:28
better than Garner Hathaway and and
55:30
whoever else was on the fourth line like
55:32
that. Barky
55:32
>> Luke Glenn Denning.
55:33
>> Luke Glenn Denning was Luke Glenn
55:35
Denning was pretty good. But maybe it
55:36
was just Stanley Cup champion Nick
55:38
Delore.
55:39
>> Nick Deloreier as well. But if you
55:41
>> Wildwood New Jersey own.
55:43
>> Yeah. I wonder if anyone's going down
55:45
there. I think that's I think that's
55:46
maybe Friday. Is that this weekend? I
55:47
don't know what that is.
55:48
>> Let's go.
55:48
>> We'll get some boots on the ground.
55:50
Let's get some boots on the ground at
55:51
the Nick Deloreier Cup party. Yeah, you
55:54
could get get core A3C, but you have
55:55
Case, you have D'vorak, you have
55:57
Ziggress, you have these guys above
55:59
them. And like even the Travis
56:00
Connectnne contract, 8.75 million, it's
56:03
a bit rich. It it was a bit rich more
56:06
more so when they signed it, but in a
56:08
year or two, that's going to be what
56:10
Mason March is making in he got what 6.7
56:13
like and he wants to be here. He's a
56:14
leader. He he contributes more than his
56:17
point show.
56:18
>> And he's still your leading scorer like
56:20
every year. Like we talk about all the
56:21
other guys, he's still the leading
56:23
scorer. He didn't look good for large
56:25
stretches of last season. He's still the
56:26
leading scorer on the team. So again,
56:29
another guy,
56:29
>> right?
56:30
>> He's just another guy who like if you
56:32
had a center, if he had a center all
56:34
this time, what would Travis Kneknne
56:36
have been? Because he's really never had
56:37
one. He had the dog years ofQurier and
56:41
and maybe a little Giru, but even then,
56:43
Drew wasn't really a center when Kenkne
56:45
was was coming up, right? Like
56:47
>> he was taking face off and moving the
56:48
wing basically. Yeah, he would take a
56:50
face off and then go stand at the on the
56:52
half wall, right? So,
56:54
>> you know, there's I I I like the spot
56:57
that the team's in.
56:58
>> Um I would have liked it either way.
57:00
>> HOW COULD YOU DISRESPECT HAYES LIKE
57:01
THIS?
57:02
>> I How could I ever disrespect Kevin
57:04
Hayes? I've never done that before.
57:06
>> No. No. I want I have a a good question.
57:09
Good point here in the chat from uh N712
57:11
hockey too mentioning with the 84 game
57:14
season, we'll probably get some more
57:16
backtobacks, more more home and homes,
57:18
more more travel involved. So teams in
57:21
the metro could become more more uh
57:24
exciting for a destination. You have if
57:26
you come to Philly, you got Washington,
57:28
you got Pittsburgh, you got the Devils,
57:30
you got the Rangers, you got the
57:31
Islanders all right there. Apparently
57:33
that is a factor for some players to
57:35
travel, especially maybe some of the
57:37
older ones. So that's just another
57:39
another feather in uh the Flyers cap for
57:42
>> Well, I mean, we have we have some of
57:43
the smartest listeners uh in the podcast
57:47
because I would have never thought of
57:49
that. But that is, you know, yeah, you
57:51
if you're jumping around, you go play in
57:53
New York, play in New Jersey, play in
57:54
Philly. Washington's not that far. I
57:57
mean,
57:59
>> the Capitals, they take the Amtrak
58:00
train.
58:01
>> Yeah.
58:01
>> Yeah. So, I mean, it's better than
58:03
playing
58:04
>> Yeah. Like you said, out in out in
58:06
Dallas. I mean there is a lot more
58:07
travel. I there are other reasons to
58:09
watch.
58:09
>> Minnesota Minnesota is in the middle
58:11
middle of nowhere. You can't train.
58:12
>> Seattle also sort of thing.
58:15
>> Yeah.
58:16
>> Yeah. So that that's a excellent point
58:18
too. That's something else that's going
58:19
to potentially uh change the landscape
58:22
of of free agency and where the players
58:24
want to go. And I do think it's going to
58:25
get a lot more fluid with where players
58:27
are going. Like this is just this is
58:29
just the beginning of it.
58:30
>> Yeah. And I I like that the Flyers do
58:32
have a lot of guys who like being
58:33
Flyers, who really are enthusiastic
58:35
about it. You know, like it's funny
58:37
because we always talk about trading
58:38
Tippet, but Tippet is one of the number
58:41
one cheerleaders for being a frigin
58:43
flyer. Trevor Zaggress loves it. Trevor
58:45
Zagris coming from Anaheim's like
58:47
seasons. This is what seasons are like.
58:50
And also short travel between different
58:53
opponents in the division. Like Trevor
58:55
Ziggress loves it here. TK Sanheim.
58:58
Vladar has become like over one season.
59:02
>> Vidar might as well has been here for
59:04
five years.
59:05
>> Yeah,
59:05
>> Vladar feels like he was drafted here
59:07
and developed here because the man's a
59:09
freaking flyer at the end of the day.
59:10
So, yeah, it's nice to have these guys
59:12
that are enthusiastic and I I'm still
59:14
thinking the McDavid groundwork was done
59:16
when they gave him that plane ride back
59:18
from four four nations over there. So, I
59:20
mean, we're going to see what's going to
59:22
happen, but I think a big part of this
59:23
is the Flyers showing that they're legit
59:26
and trying to make these big swings to
59:28
show the rest of the league like, "Hey,
59:30
we mean business. Come on here. We're
59:31
building something special."
59:33
>> Yeah. And I mentioned it on the podcast,
59:35
but like, and sometimes it's negative,
59:37
but the Flyers being the Flyers family,
59:39
it helps. Like, if you want to be here,
59:41
you're going to be here. If you don't
59:42
want to be here, you're not going to be
59:44
here. And like that's going to help them
59:46
lure players. that's going to help them
59:47
keep players at a lower cost that they
59:49
already have. Like we saw with Forester,
59:51
the Forester contract completely flew
59:53
under the radar. It's it's fantastic. I
59:54
love every time you keep bringing up,
59:56
Steve.
59:57
>> You know, it turns out that the uh the
59:59
culture change they needed was the
1:00:00
culture they already had.
1:00:02
>> There you go. And and like I think Danny
1:00:04
Brriier is a great recruiter as GM
1:00:06
because he left Buffalo for Philly. And
1:00:09
I was looking on his Wikipedia page here
1:00:11
and he chose the Flyers over Montreal.
1:00:14
Apparently, according to Wikipedia, he
1:00:16
later cited the prospect of an anonymity
1:00:19
in Philadelphia as opposed to Montreal
1:00:21
as an additional factor in his decision.
1:00:23
And that's that's no longer going to be
1:00:25
the case here uh for Mr. Brriier. That's
1:00:28
one of the funny things about like
1:00:30
Philadelphia as a hockey market is we do
1:00:32
have a big rabbid fan base that you know
1:00:35
they will support the hell out of you at
1:00:36
the game, but you can also walk the
1:00:38
street without anybody [laughter]
1:00:39
knowing who the hell you are because
1:00:41
like the only athletes like I think the
1:00:44
Eagles by and large are very
1:00:46
recognizable, right? And probably the
1:00:48
big names on the Phillies and obviously
1:00:51
the Sixers, you know, you've got like a
1:00:53
starting five and they're all gigantic
1:00:54
human beings.
1:00:55
>> Yeah. You're going to know
1:00:57
>> Joel Embiid is walking down the street
1:01:00
from
1:01:00
>> me me guy who by the way one of the
1:01:04
funniest things I've seen to this day
1:01:05
was Embiid walking his dog shirtless at
1:01:08
the park across the street from my old
1:01:09
work right in front of Independence Hall
1:01:11
in Philadelphia. So just an iconic site
1:01:14
just like holy [ __ ] there's the largest
1:01:16
man I've ever seen walking his dog
1:01:17
shirtless. Okay. But uh I've walked by
1:01:20
so many flyers and had to do double
1:01:22
takes to realize who they were. And like
1:01:25
wait a minute, did I just walk by Kevin
1:01:27
Hayes? Like because that that literally
1:01:29
happened to me where I I walk by a guy.
1:01:30
I'm like why does he look really
1:01:32
familiar? And I'm like oh [ __ ] that was
1:01:33
Kevin Hayes. I did this with Trevor Zris
1:01:36
like at the beginning of the season. I'm
1:01:37
like is that is that Trevor Zris? I
1:01:40
think that's Trevor Zris.
1:01:41
>> Look look at these humble brags by Steve
1:01:42
here. He's like you know what be
1:01:45
okay.
1:01:46
>> I didn't talk to any of them. Not one.
1:01:48
But that's the thing is like you just
1:01:50
see these guys walking around but
1:01:51
they're not getting like harassed or
1:01:53
anything like that on the street. But
1:01:55
they also can be big deals like Carter
1:01:57
and Richards going to the bars and
1:01:58
getting as many free drinks as they
1:01:59
want. So they can kind of live it all. I
1:02:01
mean I saw I the other funny one I saw I
1:02:03
was on a bus and I looked over and I saw
1:02:05
Mchuan walking down the street and I'm
1:02:07
like, "Oh [ __ ] that's Zack Mchuan. I
1:02:10
recognize that mustache anywhere."
1:02:12
>> Yeah, that's a big deal. I mean, Zack
1:02:14
Mchuan, to be fair, looks like he owns a
1:02:16
moving company. So, I mean, I don't know
1:02:18
if he's necessarily the best example.
1:02:21
>> Who's that mustached man walking around
1:02:22
with a smoking hot woman? I That's Zack
1:02:25
Muan.
1:02:26
>> Hey, that's what the mustache does, man.
1:02:28
>> And I'm on a bus.
1:02:30
>> Remember some guys, Zack Mcuin, that's
1:02:32
that's fantastic. Remember some guys
1:02:33
there for for the Flyers. So, yeah,
1:02:36
we're over an hour here. I feel like we
1:02:38
can we can wrap this up pretty soon. and
1:02:40
uh just you know disappointing but
1:02:42
ultimately not too surprising whatsoever
1:02:46
even if I did get my hopes up and it
1:02:48
doesn't really change a ton for the
1:02:50
Flyers. They still have the assets. They
1:02:52
still have everything. They are still
1:02:53
moving forward with Danny Breier's plan.
1:02:56
>> Yeah,
1:02:57
>> the Ducks are [ __ ] man. [laughter]
1:03:00
>> They are. You hate to see it. I hope
1:03:01
Goautier gets 15 mil a year.
1:03:04
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1:03:26
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1:03:27
about the dump retrievals. [laughter]
1:03:30
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1:03:35
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