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Philadelphia Flyers forward Porter Martone is the favorite for the Calder Trophy, given to the player selected as the most proficient in his first year of competition in the NHL.
The rookie could become the first Flyers player to win the award after Bill Barber, Ron Hextall, and Shayne Gostisbehere missed out as finalists.
Steve Jacot and Ryan Gilbert discuss Martone's outlook for his rookie season, as well as his competition for the Calder in Toronto Maple Leafs forward Gavin McKenna and San Jose Sharks forward Ivar Stenberg.
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Hey everybody and welcome back to Broad
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Street Hockey. I'm Steve Jako. This is
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Ryan Gilbert and we're here for just a
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little not a formal podcast here, just a
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little special edition. We want to just
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knock out a quick like 10 15 minutes.
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We'll see how long it goes, but talk a
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little bit about our boy Porter Martone,
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who we are all excited for what is
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officially his rookie season. He had a
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cup of coffee and a damn fine cup of
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coffee with the Philadelphia Flyers at
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the end of last season, but this season
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is his first full rookie year. So, he is
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eligible for the Calder. And as we know,
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Ryan Gilbert, no Flyer has ever won the
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Calder. And we're talking about a long
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history of like Eric Lendros killer
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rookie year, but oh, sorry, just one of
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the all-time greats in team Salani
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happens to be a rookie that same year.
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Uh Shane Gostas bear famously robbed in
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his rookie season and you know Mate
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Mishkov has a really really really good
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rookie season but there just happened to
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be a couple guys who have better rookie
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seasons than him ultimately. So the
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Flyers have had plenty of opportunities
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never quite brought it home and it feels
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like this season is their best chance
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maybe ever to bring home a college
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trophy.
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>> Porter Martone baby he's our baby. He's
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the he's the betting favorite here. Uh
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yeah, the Flyers have only had three
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finalists in their franchise history. Uh
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Ron Hexall in 87, Bull Barber in 73, and
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then of course Gostas Bear when he lost
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to Panera in there. And yeah, Marton, he
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had the world's best cup of coffee in
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his uh in his nine 10 games, 10 10
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points, nine games, then 10 playoff
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games, five points at at the end of a
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long season for him. He's played a lot
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of hockey over the past year and a half,
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over the past two years, but there's a
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lot of excitement around Martone going
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into this season and we've been doing
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the top 25 under 25. Marton is on the
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list. We'll get to him, but it's nice to
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talk about somebody that we we've seen
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play and are very excited about.
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>> Yeah, absolutely. And uh by the way, if
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you do want to head over to our friends
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over at FanDuel, Porter Martone is the
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favorite for the CER right now at plus
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250. behind him, Gavin McKenna and Ivar
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Stenberg. McKenna plus 270. So, it's
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pretty neck andneck between Marton and
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McKenna right now. But Stenberg's an
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interesting bet. Now, I'm not going to
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recommend that for us Flyers fans
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because we're Martone all the way. But
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if I'm a neutral fan looking for, I
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don't know, an interesting bet on the
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Calder, a long-term bet. Stenberg at
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plus 700 is really interesting because
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Stenberg is he looks to be a stud. He
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looks fantastic. Yeah, especially if he
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if he does start the season with the
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Sharks like he should. We'll see if he
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plays with Celabbrini. Cabbrini had a
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great year last year. And yeah, betting
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a plus 250 favorite right now in August.
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Fun little bet for Flyers fans, but you
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know, the the the better the smarter
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whatever bet is taking one of those long
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shots. You get you got Steenberg at 7
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to1. Cole Hudson, we saw Lane Hudson do
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it with Montreal. He's at plus 900. Uh,
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you know, got other guys down there as
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well, but yeah, Flyers podcast here.
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We're Flyers fans. Part part of Marton
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should should be the favorite. Like
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McKenna's gonna give him a good run for
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his money. He'll have the Toronto uh
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under the microscope and they're in
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Toronto, which can be a good and a bad
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thing for that uh Toronto media.
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>> Oh, that Toronto bias, baby. You got to
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worry about that. But yeah, it could be
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a really tough thing. And the Leafs are
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coming off a disastrous season. So, and
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they've changed over a lot of personnel.
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They've changed over their coaching
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staff. So, the Leafs are going to be a
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really, really intriguing team to watch.
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But that could be great for the Flyers.
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But I guess my question today and what
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led to this podcast is we were talking
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in the Slack channel and you know you
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and I were talking, we were side
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chatting a little bit and we were like,
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you know, hey, I personally am over the
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moon about Martone and I just feel like
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he is a juggernaut waiting to have a
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breakout year. But you might be a little
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bit more, not that you're not excited,
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but maybe a little bit more tempered
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than I am expectationwise. Yeah, we're
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not quite going to have a debate over
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whether or not we're excited about
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Martone. Like, we're excited about
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Marton, but I I think unfortunately for
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some people, and I guess myself
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included, there's just like a
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subconscious like, okay, we saw what
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happened with Mechov. Like, he had a
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great rookie year, but he was
4:26
overshadowed by other guys and then we
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saw what happened in his sophomore
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season there. So, I don't want to set
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too high of expectations on Martone. I
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think that's my biggest thing because
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yeah, he's the favorite. He should be
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playing topline minutes, but with the
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Flyers log jam of wingers, if Mitchkov
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gets off off to a hot start, Travis
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Knekney is Travis Kknney. Owen Tippet
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continues his tear from the second half
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of last year, you could see Martone go
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into the middle six and maybe, you know,
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h hit a wall at some point there. So, I
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I'm very excited. I'm I don't have
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negative things to say about Martone.
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It's just I I don't know. It's not a
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slam dunk that he's the the going to win
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the CER as the odds show. And but there
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there is high high upside for Porter
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Marone. I think he can be that Kachchuck
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type player that every team wants that
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that's hard to play against. Get to the
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net front. He had 50 points as a
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freshman at Michigan State. 25 goals, 25
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assists, was great at World Juniors, was
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great at the World Championships um with
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with Team Canada there. So that he's
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shown everything every step of the way
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and he he has the potential to keep that
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going in his rookie year.
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>> Noted Martone hater Ryan Gilbert over
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here just talking trash on our boy left
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and right. I I hear you on that front,
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but I have very little. And again, this
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might be on me because I felt like
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there's no way Mishkov has a letown in
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his sophomore year. And he had a It's
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funny because like again, if you just
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look at the objective numbers, it's not
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as bad of a letdown as you might believe
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watching every game and hearing all the
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media chatter about it that we did. But
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at the end of the day, is this still a
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letdown? He did regress from his rookie
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year. Uh Martone, now here, I will say
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this much. If you're expecting him to be
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a point per game player, you're insane.
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Cut it out. You're being an idiot. Don't
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do that. But I my expectations are that
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he will absolutely be in this call to
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race and he should be leading the way. I
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love that he got this experience with
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the Flyers. I love that he really got
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to, you know, get his feet into the
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playoffs and try all that out a little
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bit. And I just feel like he's just
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going to carry this momentum because I
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have nothing but faith in Porter
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Martone. the I I don't know. He just
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amazed me so much with his maturity with
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him just looking physically like he
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belonged in there. So I for some reason
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like there ain't no stopping my
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confidence when it comes to Martone.
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Now, I'm looking at the last few Calder
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winners, and it seems like to get into
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that area to the sweet spot to really
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try and get the Calder, you're going to
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have to get 60 plus points, especially
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as a forward, as a winger, like you're
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going to have to get 60 plus points
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because if you look Schaefer last year,
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59 points, but a defenseman, like that's
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sick for a defenseman regardless.
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>> Uh Hudson the year before, also a
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defenseman, 66 points. As we know,
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Mishkov had a really, really good rookie
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year, but Hudson putting up 66 points as
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a defenseman put him over the top there.
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Baddard 61 points. Uh, Mattie Beneers,
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uh, 57 points. Uh, Mo Cider had 50
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points, but in I think less games
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because that's 21-22. That's one of
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those weird seasons, right?
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>> And and that year Trevor Segress was the
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runner up. He had 61 points. It's like
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he he had 61. Michael Michael Bunting
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had 63 points, but Cider got it cuz his
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his defenseman play two-way play 50
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points there. It's been it's been a
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defenseman award this this decade so far
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with with Cider and Hudson and of course
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Schaefer last year.
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>> Yeah. And then Carilla Thrill had 51
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points in the infamous uh 202021 season
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which you know that's that's the
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shortened season I was thinking of. Mo
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Cider not so much but uh Carell had the
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crazy that's the uh the one where
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they're all playing in inner division
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games and everything and oh man those
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thing that was terrible that was just
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terrible hockey right there and
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everybody was sick every day awesome
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awesome time and then Mar with 50 points
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so yeah for the most part it's very
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defensemanheavy nobody really had over
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se nobody's had 70 plus points to win it
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since Matt Barzal back in 2017 18 he had
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85 points that year which is sick And uh
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I I'm not expecting 85 points for Porter
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Martone, but I think if he can get
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between 60 and 70 points, which I truly
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do believe he can get there, I think he
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can tr he can get this thing wrapped up.
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The big I mean McKenna and Stenberg
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though, McKenna might be playing with
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Austin. Matthew Stenberg might be
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playing with Celibbrini. Those are elite
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centers. Where the Flyers, they have
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Zegris, who we really like. And then
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it's your favorite guy, of course.
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>> Yes, Christian D'vorak. Christian Borak.
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Oh, DVO. Oh my god. Just so so so mid.
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Sean Gator is probably playing fourth
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line. And Noah Kates, who we all really
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like. Noah Case is not exactly an
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offensive juggernaut. So I guess if
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there is a a potential struggle for
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Marton, it's the lack of quality center
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play on the Philadelphia Flyers.
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>> Yeah, because he did play on that
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D'vorak connect line last season
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primarily. I think in the playoffs they
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switched it up a bit, but that was that
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was his line in the regular season. And
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it worked. You had the, you know,
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responsible two-way guy with D'vorak,
9:44
the veteran with Kknne, and the Martone
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kind of, you know, getting in there. The
9:48
the the injection of youth, but this CER
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race, I think, is going to be close to
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the one we had two years ago. We we have
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a Hudson brother. We have, you know,
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Dustin Wolf snuck in there. I don't
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think we're going to see a goalie sneak
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in there this year, but then you had
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Celibbrini and you had Mechov. Like, you
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had two two forwards with 63 points and
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Hudson got got 66. I think that's what
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it's going to end up being probably more
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so with McKenna than with Steenberg. I
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could see the Sharks, you know, playing
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Steberg down the lineup a bit more, but
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if McKenna finds chemistry with Austin
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Matthews and Matthews can stay healthy,
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the Flyers just don't have that type of
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linemate for Marton.
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>> Yeah. So, he's either going to have to
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be a one-man army or basically like he's
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going to have to hope that the other
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guys just aren't complete machines on
10:34
their teams that they're on. And, you
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know, I'm McKenna is one thing where I
10:38
think McKenna will be quite good. But
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Stenberg might be more worrisome to me
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just because Celbrraini was so good in
10:46
his what was that his second year in the
10:47
league?
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>> Yeah, that was his sophomore year. Yeah,
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>> he's he's just sick. Like he's just like
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absolutely unreal and he looks like a
10:54
superstar already at his age and just
10:57
the Sharks offensive depth is just
10:59
completely crazy right now.
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>> Yeah. And I think the Sharks I might be
11:04
wrong. I think they play more offensive
11:05
hockey. They averaged 3.04 goals last
11:08
year. Flyers 2.93. And like we all know
11:12
hockey, they they want to play lowercing
11:14
games. They want to stay in games there.
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[snorts] So that that is going to be an
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interesting thing because Marton, I
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think the one thing that could really
11:23
unlock it for Martone is something we
11:25
needed to unlock for the past decade is
11:27
the power play. He's someone that you
11:29
can you can put in front. You can maybe
11:31
put him in like the bumper spot a little
11:33
bit. He can move out there with his
11:34
shot. He's got the big body. He can get
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tips. He can get rebounds. But the
11:39
Flyers can get the power play going. If
11:41
you can put Martone with Zegris on a
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line, like he has upside of of 70
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points. I I don't there's no odds out
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yet for the over and under on the
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points, but I I I would be happy with
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with his 60 point. What would you be
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disappointed with if Martone ended up
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with point-wise? Like, what does he have
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to get to?
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>> Oh, if he gets under 50, I think I'm
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going to be disappointed. Yeah, I think
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he's got to get to 50 for a solid rookie
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year. Like I'll be pretty happy like if
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he puts up like what was it 51 that
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Mishkov had last year.
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>> It's a bummer. I'm not and I I even
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think like if it's 45 like I'm really
12:17
disappointed to be honest, but like it's
12:19
not the end of the world, but like I'm
12:22
fully expecting 50 plus points this
12:24
year. How about you? Yeah, I think 50
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has to kind of be that be that cut off
12:28
where like you have to be a 50 point
12:30
player if you're I mean it'll be dis
12:32
disappointing. You're not going to like
12:34
say he's a bust or anything, but I think
12:36
to get to 50 points 55 points at the
12:38
very least unless like I said unless
12:41
Mishkov takes off after a big summer tip
12:43
connect keep going. Zegra sticks on the
12:46
wing and it kind of knocks Martone down.
12:48
But I think Marton's responsible enough
12:52
two-way. We saw some good good plays
12:54
with the stick uh I think in the
12:55
playoffs even against the Penguins
12:57
there. So yeah, Marone's got to get 55
13:01
points. Has to get 20 goals, right? Like
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Yeah, he has to pot 20.
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>> I would think he has to pot 20. And you
13:08
know, it's funny because when you talk
13:09
about this team, and one of the things
13:11
we'll talk about a bunch before the
13:12
season starts is the goal scoring
13:15
potential on this team. I mean, the
13:16
Flyers haven't had it feels like they
13:18
haven't had a 30 goal scorer in a couple
13:20
years. uh certainly have not had a 40
13:22
goal scorer since Jeff Carter. Yeah. So,
13:25
it has in fact been a while since that
13:27
has happened. And there are guys with
13:29
that potential to certainly go over 30
13:31
and maybe even come close to 40. I'm not
13:34
saying that for Marone this year, but I
13:36
feel 20 to 30 would be a very good goal
13:39
spot for him to end up in. Now, Owen
13:41
Tippet, can we get to 30 already? Can we
13:43
just do it? What are you doing out
13:44
there?
13:45
You know, Martone, if he can click with,
13:48
and that's the thing about the Flyers is
13:50
they have all this unrealized offensive
13:52
potential between Mishkov, between
13:54
Forester, who we keep saying, what if
13:56
Forester was on nearly a 40goal pace
13:59
before he got hurt last season. Owen
14:01
Tippet, you always see that every year,
14:03
that potential, him just doing these
14:05
unbelievable plays, but not quite
14:07
getting there. You know, I think
14:09
Martone, he's a guy who can help get
14:11
these guys get over the hump in that
14:13
regard. So, I I know the goals are
14:16
probably going to be a lot. I I would
14:18
hope 20 at minimum, but the assists,
14:20
right, really might really be the key
14:22
here to getting that CER and getting
14:24
over the hump pointwise.
14:26
>> Yeah, I I completely agree because you
14:28
have to be able to put up the assists
14:30
and put up the goals. You can't be like
14:32
the one season Michael Rafal, I think,
14:34
had like 21 goals and seven assists or
14:36
something. Famous top liner Michael Raf
14:38
playing with Drew [laughter] Drew and
14:40
Vortekch. Yeah, I think it was me and
14:42
you. We talked maybe a month or two ago
14:43
about like how the Flyers have so many
14:46
guys like who's the next 30 goal scorer.
14:48
It could be Tippet, it could be
14:49
Forester, could be Mechov, could be
14:51
Ziggers, could be Kenkne. Like they have
14:54
all of these guys that you want to see
14:56
take that next step or stay on that
14:59
level with with Kknney and it's just
15:01
about them all coming together at the
15:03
right time. Like I think this team
15:06
>> as a whole has has a pretty wide variety
15:09
of outcomes for this year. There's a
15:10
there's a limited ceiling just because
15:12
you don't have that that superstar pop
15:14
and there's there's a higher floor I
15:16
think because you you you know got the
15:18
backup goalie, you got Noel Jarre in
15:20
there, but it's it really comes down to
15:22
these guys and and what Mart since we're
15:25
talking about him, what he can do around
15:28
them. And I think having a guy like
15:30
Martone, a big body, someone that just
15:32
gonna be like, "All right, you're on the
15:33
right wing in the top six. We know what
15:35
you can do." hopefully, you know, didn't
15:38
play a lot of games last year at
15:40
college, you know, rather than going
15:41
with the junior route, but that was by
15:44
design so he could go to Michigan State
15:46
and do that weight training program
15:49
program, which uh Rick Tocket said that
15:52
he he went that he went back to Michigan
15:54
State the summer on the uh Gardano show
15:56
last week or two weeks ago. So, I think
15:58
Martone he's played a lot of hockey,
16:00
like I said, over the past two years.
16:02
So, I think he's well prepped for this
16:04
now 84 game season. He's well prepped. I
16:06
keep forgetting about the 84 games of it
16:08
all. So, it might end up having to be 70
16:11
points to really get overwhelmed,
16:12
especially with the competition in
16:14
there, but you know, he had four goals
16:16
and six assists in his nine games played
16:19
with the Flyers last season. So,
16:21
>> he certainly was balanced in that
16:22
regard. So, I'm not worried about the
16:24
balance aspect, but what I want to see
16:25
is him making the guys around him
16:27
better, which I think he often did last
16:29
year and he certainly did at Michigan
16:31
State. So, I really like I feel great
16:33
about Porter Martone. I like him as the
16:35
favorite here and I feel really good
16:37
about the Flyers uh getting their first
16:38
CER ever this year.
16:40
>> I I certainly do hope so. We we thought
16:43
about it two years ago with Meoff and I
16:45
I do think he was robbed of at least
16:47
being a finalist there and the Flyers
16:49
kind of having a step back and and John
16:51
Tarella stepping down, getting fired,
16:54
that whole thing definitely had
16:56
definitely had an effect on it.
16:57
>> And who outside of Montreal saw Hudson
16:59
really blowing up like he did?
17:01
>> Yeah, that that that was incredible.
17:02
That's why, you know, I'm just going to
17:03
give like like a betting tip here is if
17:05
if you want to like actually make money,
17:07
you can wait and get better numbers on
17:10
these guys in the season. Like like last
17:13
year, Matthew Schaefer was still decent
17:15
odds like in December when you knew he
17:18
had it locked up pretty much. So, so you
17:21
can wait and see what happens with
17:22
Martone with McKenna, but he's going to
17:24
be right up there. He should be right up
17:25
there all season long, right around that
17:27
plus 250 number.
17:29
>> Yeah, absolutely. But I'm feeling good
17:31
about it. I might be a little bit
17:32
cockier about it than some of the other
17:34
people on Broad Street Hockey, but just
17:36
based on what I saw last year, man, I am
17:38
excited. And I can't It's only August
17:41
10th. I just can't wait for the season
17:43
to start.
17:44
>> Yeah, we were like, "All right, we
17:45
should record a a Porter Marone CER
17:47
video at some point." We're like, "All
17:48
right, why why not today? Let's Let's
17:50
just get it out. Let's Let's talk all
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the Porter Martone we we can. We we
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can't let the Matt Van Mechoff of it all
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kind of, you know, wear us down a little
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bit because everyone's so down on
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Mechoff. I I hate over that's over
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social media and leave Mishkoff alone.
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Let let him just let him cook because I
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think Mishkoff's going to have a year to
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remember, too. I think it's going to be
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a really fun year for the kids. The kids
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are all right and we're going to have a
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damn fun year with the Philadelphia
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Flyers. So stay tuned to Broad Street
18:20
Hockey. We got a lot of tangy tent.
18:22
We're currently doing the 25 under 25.
18:24
One of the best features that we do
18:26
every year on Broad Street Hockey and
18:28
we've been recording a bunch of videos
18:29
to go along with it. So, uh, we got a
18:32
couple in the tank already, but I think
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we're going to be recording the
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remainder of them, uh, the next week or
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two, right?
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>> Yeah, we're getting into the into the
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big names now, so it should be excited
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to talk about them with uh, with you and
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Jacob and if anyone else hops on with
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us.
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>> That's right. Porter Martone coming up
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at some point. I wonder where he might
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land. Who's to say on that regard? But
18:51
yeah, stay tuned to Broad Street Hockey.
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Be sure to like and subscribe wherever
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you are watching or listening to this.
18:57
Watching and listening maybe over on
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YouTube, whatever. Who is to say on that
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front? But yeah, I'm Steve Chico. This
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is Ryan Gilbert. Thank you so much for
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listening and until next time, in the
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words of the great Jean Hart, good night
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and good hockey.
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