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spinning.
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And I think we're live. Fantastic. Well,
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hi everybody. Welcome to Broad Street
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Hockey
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where breaking news, holy [Β __Β ] This is
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unbelievable. The Flyers have offered
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Leo Carlsson an offer sheet which he has
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signed with the Flyers carrying an $18
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million
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AAV on a 5-year deal. Word is the
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contract is heavily front-loaded.
0:23
Anaheim has 7 days to match or they'll
0:26
receive four first-round picks as
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compensation. This is per Chris Johnston
0:30
who is an extremely reliable source.
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>> He's not wrong ever.
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>> The the Flyers tweeted out themselves.
0:35
It's it's it's official. This is this is
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official.
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>> Yeah, this is crazy. It's amazing cuz I
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literally just finished Fly Perreault B
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with Ryan Quigley like
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I don't know maybe a half hour ago. I'm
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literally working on editing it right
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now and I don't even know if I want to
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put it out right now. It's a great show.
0:52
I'm putting it out. But like this is
0:53
crazy. So, you know, just to get to the
0:56
the heart of it, right? The Flyers
0:58
number one need has been an exciting
1:00
young center. Somebody to help this
1:02
franchise really take the next leap and
1:04
be a franchise cornerstone moving
1:06
forward. We've joked we've talked that
1:08
Leo Carlsson is like an ideal target but
1:10
not a realistic target. And we we talked
1:12
about them being aggressive and maybe
1:14
doing this.
1:15
This is a rare move in NHL history. Not
1:18
a lot of GMs will pull the lever on this
1:20
offer sheet. Uh the biggest example we
1:22
can think of is Paul Holmgren for the
1:25
Philadelphia Flyers with Shea Weber boy,
1:27
what about 12 years ago now? So, let's
1:30
start, you know,
1:32
Jacob, your eyes are insane right now.
1:34
>> shaking. Jacob is shaking.
1:36
>> I uh I I so back little quick
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background. I woke up at 4:45 today. So,
1:40
I was in I was I was trying to get a
1:42
quick like hour.
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>> Yes. Yes.
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>> Wow.
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>> Anyways, it's beside the point. I don't
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give a [Β __Β ] about that. Um
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I uh so I just I just jumped out of off
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the couch essentially and and this is
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this is
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one of the
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ballsiest moves maybe in NHL history. Um
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I
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it's the biggest contract anyone's ever
2:04
been offered, right? There's nothing
2:06
near $18 million dollars
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uh on a 5-year deal. I mean, it does say
2:13
CJ Chris Johnson did say it's it's
2:15
heavily front-loaded,
2:16
but
2:17
um regardless of that, it's it's an
2:20
unbelievable
2:22
unbelievable swing from Danny Briere.
2:24
It's something that I don't even think
2:25
we thought was possible because it's
2:28
just it's so massive. I mean, it's a
2:32
huge number, but this is a guy in Leo
2:35
Carlsson who since he was drafted has
2:38
looked like a a number one center
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bonafide the entire way through. He is
2:44
still so young. Um and I am just
2:48
absolutely floored. 21 years old. The
2:51
advanced stats love him. The other stats
2:53
love him. The normal stats love him. I
2:55
There's nothing to look at with this guy
2:56
and find a negative. It's just, you
2:58
know,
2:59
the sticker shock of 18 million, once
3:01
you get past that,
3:03
absolutely insane. Yeah, my eyes do look
3:05
absolutely nuts right now.
3:06
>> You look bonkers by frame, but there's
3:08
good reason because this is such a
3:10
ballsy aggressive move. This is not
3:13
going to make Danny Briere friends
3:14
around the league. This is not going to
3:17
But here's the thing, at the end of the
3:18
day, you have to do this kind of big
3:21
move, big bold move, especially if you
3:23
want to put the Flyers back on the map
3:25
and make them a top-tier franchise
3:27
again. And if you add Leo Carlsson to
3:30
Porter Martone, Matvei Michkov, Tyson
3:33
Foerster, you got a hell of a stew
3:35
going, baby. You know, we've been
3:36
talking about Claude Giroux, and I love
3:38
Claude Giroux to bits. I think he should
3:39
finish his career here. I don't give a
3:41
[Β __Β ] about Claude Giroux right now. Ryan
3:43
Quigley's driving too.
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>> Oh, we got
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>> This is great. But like, I don't give a
3:46
[Β __Β ] about Claude Giroux because Leo
3:48
Carlsson, this is the future, You're
3:50
friend. All right, wait. So, all right.
3:52
Quickly, I mean, I haven't heard FROM
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GILGE YET.
3:55
>> YEAH, LET ME LET ME GO HERE. LET ME GO
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HERE. Let me go.
3:58
Danny Briere haters in absolute shambles
4:01
right now. Every everyone's been hating
4:02
on what he's doing. They they missed out
4:04
on Carlson. Werenski didn't want to come
4:05
here. Whatever else. Leo Carlson, this
4:08
this is just absolutely insane. Pat
4:10
Verbeek said he'll match it, but let's
4:12
see if he has the balls to do so. Cuz
4:14
then the Ducks have to sign our good
4:15
friend Cutter Gauthier. Their defense is
4:17
in complete shambles. And like Jacob
4:19
said, Leo Carlson, bonafide number one
4:22
center. He put up 45 points in the in
4:25
the Ducks two years ago when they were
4:26
bad. 67 points this past season. He is
4:29
the guy that He's the guy you wanted.
4:32
He's the guy that my good friend Joe Joe
4:33
De Maurier says, "Oh, we could offer you
4:35
Leo Carlson." I'm like, "No, that's not
4:37
going to happen." But it happened. It
4:38
happened here. And yeah, Quig Quig, what
4:39
do you got?
4:41
>> So, Steve, when we were doing Fly Perb
4:43
League, I said that I was soaking for
4:45
Sokolovsky.
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>> [laughter]
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>> You know what I'm doing right now?
4:49
>> You're You're soaking.
4:51
>> I don't know if I want to hear it.
4:52
>> [laughter]
4:53
>> I'm coming for Carlson. I knew it was
4:55
coming. I knew it was coming. Let's get
4:58
it started. [Β __Β ] off. David Pagnotta
5:00
said Claude Giroux is signing WITH THE
5:01
FLYERS.
5:02
>> OH MY [Β __Β ] is going on?
5:05
>> What the [Β __Β ] is going on?
5:07
>> [laughter]
5:07
>> What the What happened?
5:09
WHAT'S HAPPENING?
5:12
IS THIS IS this my NHL 28
5:16
save? Like the game hasn't even come out
5:17
yet.
5:18
>> The best thing
5:20
>> Danny Briere saw the Sixers get Jaylen
5:22
Brown and was like, "All right, all
5:23
right. I got to do something."
5:24
>> Honestly, honestly, this has been a wild
5:27
24 hours or how what 48 hours now since
5:31
the cuz Jaylen Brown, yeah, and now
5:33
this. Now let's Now hold on. Hold before
5:36
we go any further.
5:39
The Ducks are matching this.
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They have
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35 million dollars in cap space. They
5:46
It's they're going to match it. I would
5:48
be stunned if they don't match it.
5:49
They've told teams, according to Elliot
5:51
Friedman, they have told teams that they
5:53
guarantee that they will match any offer
5:56
sheet thrown their way. Could be famous
5:57
last words. Would be really, really
5:59
funny if they don't.
6:00
>> be hilarious.
6:01
>> It would be hilarious.
6:02
Like it would be funny if they're just
6:03
like, "Do it. We'll match it. Watch us."
6:06
And then someone doesn't, they're like,
6:07
"Fuck.
6:08
We're not going to match it."
6:09
>> Yeah.
6:10
>> But from what I can tell, they have $35
6:12
million in cap space. They have more cap
6:14
space than any team in the NHL right
6:16
now.
6:17
Um they're probably, if I had to guess,
6:19
they're going They're not going to let
6:20
their 21-year-old franchise center just
6:23
walk. That's I don't think that's going
6:25
to happen. But the fact that Leo [Β __Β ]
6:28
Carlsson
6:30
just did this, and the fact that he
6:33
said, "Yeah, I'd go to Philly."
6:34
Uh
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exactly to what you guys were just kind
6:37
of saying, and to what you were just
6:39
saying, Gilbs,
6:40
you know, people saying that Danny
6:42
Briere doesn't have it, and that
6:43
Philly's not a destination, this, that,
6:45
and the third, that kind of completely
6:48
throws all that out the window. Because
6:49
one of these premier young players, one
6:51
of the top young centers in hockey,
6:53
period,
6:55
willingly said, "Yeah, I'd go to
6:56
Philly." And could that be a negotiation
6:58
tactic on his part to try and get the
7:00
Ducks to raise their offer? Absolutely,
7:02
it could. 100%. But the fact that this
7:04
happened has me feeling like I just took
7:07
X, and I'm
7:09
>> [laughter]
7:10
>> hard as a rock. So, unbelievable.
7:12
>> Solid as a rock. Like so
7:16
the
7:18
In one day, you're [laughter]
7:18
essentially maybe going from the power
7:21
play is is dog [Β __Β ] beyond belief to you
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get Leo Carlsson, Giroux, Martone,
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Zegras, Drysdale, Konecny,
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Sanheim,
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Michkov,
7:32
you know, like the the amount of weapons
7:35
could could exponentially increase out
7:38
of nowhere. Out of literally nowhere. I
7:40
mean,
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[Β __Β ] [Β __Β ] the other Carlsson. What what
7:43
are we even talking about? here?
7:45
>> [laughter]
7:46
>> John Carlson, NO BUT NO OFFENSE John
7:48
Carlson. Best days are behind him.
7:50
You're getting a 21-year-old. Like he's
7:52
not even close to his peak. He's 7 years
7:55
from his peak.
7:56
>> Quigs is right though, the Ducks are
7:58
probably like we don't want to bring it
7:59
down too soon, but the Ducks are
8:01
probably going to match it, but like
8:02
this just shows like that Danny Briere
8:04
wants to he he he pointed to this off
8:06
season. It was supposed to be a good
8:08
free agency class unrestricted. There's
8:10
still some other restricted free agents
8:12
out there. Adam Fantilli, like it's like
8:13
imagine the Ducks match this and the
8:15
Flyers are like all right, Adam Fantilli
8:16
come on come on down. Like like this
8:18
Like but if if they don't match, you got
8:20
Carlson 1C, Giroux's in here as a third
8:23
line guy, Zegras can maybe go back to
8:25
wing. Like
8:27
I have their daily faceoff up without
8:29
Giroux and without Carlson. You add
8:31
those two guys to it. Like this team is
8:34
just right behind the Hurricanes in the
8:35
Metro. Like this is a this is a playoff
8:37
team with with a with a goaltending
8:39
tandem of Lyubimov and Wall.
8:41
I don't know how Leo Carlson is on the
8:42
power play, but he can't be worse than
8:44
what the Flyers had. Four power play
8:45
goals, [laughter]
8:46
14 power play assists last season. So
8:49
it's just absolute whirlwind right now.
8:52
>> It's an absolute whirlwind. I just
8:53
wanted to read real quick this tweet
8:55
from Charlie O'Connor. Said Carlson
8:57
isn't an elite center yet, but at 21 he
8:59
does look like he's on the trajectory to
9:01
become one. 67 points in 70 games last
9:04
year. Solid underlying metrics. Passes
9:06
the eye test with flying colors. Good
9:08
skater. Ideal size for the center
9:10
position. Basically everything the
9:12
Flyers need.
9:13
>> Yes.
9:14
>> Yeah, I mean
9:15
>> Projecting the future, he is he is the
9:18
guy that you would want as the
9:20
centerpiece. Even if he doesn't
9:22
necessarily get to a a 90-100 point
9:25
pace, which he totally could in the
9:28
future. Um you know, you got to remember
9:30
he's still 21. Like some guys don't even
9:32
make the NHL at 21.
9:34
Um
9:35
Like it's
9:37
he plays a two-way game. He's big
9:39
enough. It is a guy that like you're not
9:42
going to worry like it's not one of
9:43
those like Trevor you're getting a
9:45
photocopy Trevor Zegras where he has
9:47
some deficiencies in his game. You don't
9:49
know if he can play center. You don't
9:50
know if he's a long-term winger. Like he
9:52
is a centerman and he is a damn good
9:54
one. At the very least, he will be a 2C
9:57
for a long time to come.
9:59
Barring anything to happen. And while
10:01
the Ducks will probably match, right?
10:03
You said the 35 million in cap space.
10:05
That $18 million deal cuts that in half.
10:08
Plus you got to sign
10:10
you know, the guy. You got to sign
10:12
Cutter. That he's going to want 10. He's
10:14
going to hold you over a barrel cuz
10:15
that's who he is. And
10:17
>> [laughter]
10:17
>> back in Seneca in 2 years, back in
10:20
Seneca in '28-'29, he's probably going
10:22
to want nine, too, minimum. So, you
10:24
know, and that's not even looking back
10:26
at you know, they just signed Jackson
10:28
LaCombe.
10:30
And and they need a lot more defensemen.
10:33
There's there's a lot of holes on their
10:35
defense.
10:36
And and in net for the Ducks, right?
10:37
They currently right now it's Lukas
10:39
Dostal, but they got a bunch of guys who
10:42
behind him, you know, Petr Mrazek,
10:44
Laurent Brossoit,
10:45
Ville Husso. I don't know. You know, you
10:48
probably want a guy who can really play
10:50
back there, but I guess that'll work for
10:52
right now. Um you know, their best
10:54
defenseman is Jackson LaCombe, Nick
10:56
Jensen, Ian Moore, Hellesson, Tristan
10:58
Luneau, Tyson Hinds, and Minchikov. Like
11:01
you're going to need at least
11:03
three defensemen. Also, they just got
11:05
rid of Zellweger, right? So, um this
11:08
puts Pat Verbeek in a real bind here.
11:10
And
11:12
he's going to have to match it. You feel
11:13
like he's going to have to match. You
11:15
cannot let Leo Carlsson go. He's the one
11:17
guy out of that whole project, I think,
11:19
that you really really want to hang on
11:21
to. Um
11:22
but man, what a what an absolute power
11:26
move by Brière and Jonesy to try and get
11:28
this done. And I mean, in in a world,
11:30
you know, where it it seems like now the
11:34
uh uh
11:35
you know, guys like John Chayka coming
11:36
back into the fold, who was, you know,
11:38
kind of cast off. Stan Bowman's an idiot
11:40
and and a bad person, and he's still in
11:42
the NHL. So, like, I don't know if if
11:45
the the relations between GMs are the
11:47
same when we had like Colin Campbell
11:49
doing it back in like 2013 or whatever,
11:52
where everyone's like in one boys club,
11:53
and we're all Doug Armstrong. Like, all
11:55
these guys are just completely tied at
11:57
the hip and won't step on each other's
11:58
toes. [Β __Β ] [Β __Β ] it. It's over now. We're
12:02
in a new world.
12:04
>> And thank you, by the way, saying hi to
12:06
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12:08
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subscribe and all that good stuff. Thank
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you guys for being the best. Quigs, I
12:13
think you were saying something when
12:14
Jacob jumped in there real quick.
12:16
>> Yeah, go ahead.
12:17
>> Yeah, well, I was going to say, like,
12:18
you know, one thing that this definitely
12:20
does is this screws up the Anaheim Ducks
12:25
plan completely.
12:26
Um cuz I'm sure that they weren't
12:28
expecting to have to pay this kind of
12:32
price tag for Leo Carlsson. I'm sure
12:33
that, you know, when they were setting
12:35
up their budget it for the next, you
12:37
know,
12:38
several years or whatever.
12:39
Um I'm sure what they did not have in
12:41
mind was 18 million AAV for Leo
12:44
Carlsson. This really screws up the
12:47
Ducks. And something that they have to
12:49
think about is like, okay, well, [Β __Β ]
12:52
If we give him 18 mil per year AAV,
12:56
front-loaded, of course, so that's
12:58
something to keep into consideration.
13:00
But, if they were to do that,
13:03
what does it mean for, exactly like the
13:05
point Jacob was just making, what does
13:06
it mean for Cutter? What does it mean
13:08
for Ben and Seneca?
13:10
Um and you do have to, if you're Pat
13:12
Verbeek, you do have to sit there and be
13:14
like,
13:15
damn, first four first-round picks?
13:18
>> Like yeah.
13:18
>> Four first-round picks? Like, you know,
13:20
that's interesting. And then, on top of
13:21
that, something to note for the Flyers,
13:23
they can only have the Flyers
13:24
first-round pick. So, the Flyers still
13:26
have Toronto's, if this goes through. If
13:29
the Flyers get Leo Carlsson, which
13:31
Jesus, that's wild to be saying right
13:33
now. But, if that were to happen, in the
13:36
off chance that it that they do not
13:37
match, the Flyers will still have a
13:40
first round pick in next year's draft,
13:41
and it will be Toronto's.
13:43
So, that's just something to keep in
13:44
mind.
13:45
>> And the whole thing with screwing over
13:47
GMs, like Pat Verbeek, like I imagine
13:49
Danny Briere has more friends than Pat
13:51
Verbeek. And like Pat
13:52
>> think anyone's friends with Pat Verbeek.
13:54
>> Yeah, exactly. And you've already like
13:56
have this rivalry with the Ducks on the
13:58
ice. Why not Why not have it in the
13:59
front office as well? Like it's Yeah,
14:01
they're probably going to match, but and
14:03
Pat Verbeek came out and said, "We have
14:05
to match everything." So, we're going to
14:07
match it no matter what. So, either he
14:09
matches it or he's just in the [Β __Β ]
14:10
chair for the next 5 years with Leo
14:12
Carlsson in Philadelphia.
14:14
>> I and and and you look at like
14:17
obviously the whole Cutter saga, the
14:19
Drysdale thing, the Zegras thing.
14:21
Um like like you guys are saying, uh
14:25
there is already some animosity there,
14:27
and I'm sure Danny
14:30
um is not blind to what team Cutter
14:34
Gauthier currently plays for.
14:36
And I'm sure that like
14:38
that it probably didn't play a factor.
14:40
You want Leo Carlsson. I know you're not
14:41
just trying to screw over people at any
14:42
term.
14:43
But like that sort of like rift between
14:47
the front offices, between the rosters
14:49
in general,
14:51
it's pretty, you know, you don't have to
14:53
worry about necessarily pissing anybody
14:55
off, because you kind of already did.
14:56
Everyone's already pissed off between
14:58
these two teams. And like you said with
14:59
the four first round picks, I look at
15:00
the Ducks right now, okay? If you Let's
15:03
say they don't match Carlsson.
15:05
I don't know why you wouldn't do that.
15:06
But, let's say they don't, right? You
15:07
can look at the roster. You have Mikael
15:09
Granlund, Kreider, Killorn, Vatrano,
15:12
Greer,
15:13
Ryan Poehling, shout out.
15:15
Uh
15:16
all these guys, right? All old guys up
15:19
on forward. You can just recycle the
15:22
clock with four new first round picks
15:24
and you still have Gooch, you still have
15:26
Seneca, you still have Jackson LaCombe.
15:29
And maybe the Ducks think, okay, we made
15:33
a little bit of a stride here, but our
15:34
defense really let us down.
15:36
Maybe we can't build,
15:39
especially with old man Q as the coach,
15:41
who's also a bad person.
15:43
Um
15:43
>> [laughter]
15:44
>> Maybe we can't build on offense only,
15:47
especially with these old heads we got
15:49
here. Now, Clowe and Colborne obviously
15:51
are free agents after after this season,
15:52
so they're probably gone anyways, but
15:55
there is going to be a bit of turnover
15:56
on that roster.
15:59
It's not insane to see a world where
16:02
they just think we'll push the we'll
16:04
push the timeline two years down the
16:05
line. We still got a couple good
16:07
centerpieces on forward and we'll have a
16:08
ton of guys who we can either trade
16:09
these picks or we can go and take
16:11
another batch of all of these dudes
16:14
coming in
16:15
over the next four years, whatever it
16:17
is. Um just to try and and and restart
16:20
the clock as it were.
16:21
Um
16:22
That takes a little bit of squinting to
16:24
see that picture, but I'm squinting,
16:27
baby. I'm I'm rubbing dirt in my eye.
16:30
>> [laughter]
16:31
>> Like we got to this this why not? Why
16:33
not?
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