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Hey everybody, welcome back to the Senators Roundtable
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I'm your host Jacob Billington, joined by Dayton as per usual. But today we have a special guest, and that's Peter from the hockey writers
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He's kind of our draft guru. He knows a little bit about everything when it comes to the draft
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He runs our draft coverage and all that. So welcome, Peter. It's nice to have you here
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Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me, guys. We're really happy to be talking prospects with you guys
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Yeah, so if you haven't checked out Peter's stuff, I mean, his most recent posts have been his mock draft
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for the first, was it was just the first round that you did your mock draft? First round, yeah
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Yeah, and then you compiled our writer's mock draft. So thanks for that as well
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And it turned out pretty good. A couple surprises in there. So be sure to go check that out
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But yeah, so Dayton, how are you doing? Oh, pretty good. Just finished Prospect Corner
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So right in the prospect mind, this will be great. I feel like I'm the guest here
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We were just talking about that. I feel like I'm the guest on this episode. because if you don't watch Prospect Corner, these two and Matthew, who is behind the scenes right now, run Prospect Corner
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So pretty interesting. So Dayton and I on Substack recently just did our kind of power rankings for our options at 7th overall
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We kind of left out, what do we leave out, Demadov and Celebrini, because those are very likely to be gone by 7
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And there were a couple other players that were like, yeah, it's a long shot. but if they fall to seven, that's a dream
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So real quick, we can just kind of run through our lists first. So number one, I had Artem Lev Shunov, number two, I had Caden Lindstrom
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number three, Zane Perak, number four, Anton Salaev, number five, Carter E. Chemchuk
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number six, Sam Dickinson, number seven, Cole Iserman, and number eight, Tijiganla
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Dayton, you want to run through your list? Yeah, number one, Caden Lindstrom, a little different
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Then Berkeley Katten, Artum Lev Shunov, Sam Dickinson, T. Gingla, Zane Perek, Consta Hellenius, and Liam Green Tree
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Yeah, so a lot of similar names on there, but a lot of very different names
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So, well, first of all, Peter, I'll ask you, who do you think is the most realistic target for Ottawa at number seven
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I mean, personally, I think we could even add Lofshunov to that list of Demadov and Celebrity
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because I feel like Chicago is one team that would probably look at either Demadov or Lashunov
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it's going to come down to one of those two, mainly because of the right hand defense factor
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I mean, you already have Kevin Kurchinski in the system. Are you going to go and give Bidar that dynamic winger, or do you want to shore up your
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defense a little bit? And I think maybe Luf Shunov might be that, although I wouldn't have him in my top three
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but it does make sense if you're Chicago. But in terms of like overall fit for the Sends, I mean, I took him in my mock draft, and I
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believe Jacob U took him in yours for the writer's mock as well
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And that was Zane Perak. I mean, when you go through Bissend's, you know, depth chart defensively, it isn't as strong
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I mean, they got they got quantity, but they really don't have quality in terms of like right hand shots
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I mean, you have a, uh, uh, Jibril Toure, who is a right hand shot, but don't know necessarily
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what his upside is. Maybe you could just be a third pairing, uh, type of player
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Lastly, Thompson really hasn't gained any traction whatsoever in the NHO. And even at the H.L
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level really hasn't taken massive steps. So who's going to be the next guy that you need on the right side to have that right hand shot
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And that to me is 100% Zane Perak, given his offensive ability, the puck movement
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the quick transitional play, the ability to engage in the offensive zone and attack to get into the high danger area and Alicia's wrist shot
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I think to me that's an ideal type of puck mover or player that's lacking
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in the send system. I know that you would like to have a little bit more of a defensive presence
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And Perak has shown that, but it's very inconsistent. And he has been overaggressive, awareness lacks a little bit
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But to me, if you're going for like a high octane puck moving defense, and like other teams are going right now
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correct is definitely going to be at the top of my list if I were choosing for Ottawa. Yeah, it's tough
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You mentioned a couple of the right-handed defensive prospects. And really, that's the end of the list
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I mean, you throw in Hoyt Stanley. And other than that, I don't think, or Max Hans Gannett, he's right-handed
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He's the only prospect, I think, that has real upside. Dayton, I know you just did a little look into Hoyt Stanley not too long ago and have some thoughts
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If I'm not mistaken, it might have been somebody else, have some thoughts. But it's, I mean, and even in the NHL, like he got Travis Hammondick, Jacob Bernard
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and Dracher and Ardensook, that that right-handed depth from top to bottom is miserable
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I think that it's going to be a mistake for Ottawa to select anybody that is not a right-handed defenseman in this draft, especially with such a defense-heavy draft
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Dayton, what are your thoughts on that? So I do agree that the senators have a massive weakness on the right side
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Like, that list is, you can't really beat around the bush. It's a pitiful list
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Like, you got Zub as a defensive specialist, but beyond that, like, what is there
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there's a lot of maybes and a lot of, you know, put your head in your hands and weep silently
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However, when it comes to the seventh overall pick, I'm split on whether they should take a forward or a defenseman
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because if they take a defenseman, that is three years away from making the NHL
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and at least making an impact in the NHL. There's no way that Zane Perak is making an impact as a 19-year-old
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I'd put money on that. He's going to be an incredible NHL player
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I'd also put money on that. But he just won't come in and fix the senator's problem
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So if the senators are looking to compete right of ways and they have the team to do it
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they just need to tweak several little areas. They can't rely on a right-handed defenseman
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in this year's draft to fix that. That's why I put Caden Lindstrom as my top guy
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I thought that with the uncertain situation of Josh Norris's injury, like he just can't stay healthy
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And a team to make a competitive push for the playoffs need two very strong centers
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And if Lindstrom falls to seventh, and there are some mocks that do have him dropping
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definitely not out of the top 10, but around there, I think he would be a really good fit because he's got a bit of that snarl
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He's a big hitter, but he's also great with the puck. He's great in transition
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There have been some injury concerns in junior with his wrist. That's, I don't think, as scary as a shoulder injury
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Shoulder injury really takes you out. Wrist, I think that's an easier fix. So that was my reasoning behind placing Lindstrom number one
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I think a center is an easier jump. He could fit in the NHL probably next year
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More likely two years, but. Yeah, I find it really interesting because looking at your list
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I mean, and this is outside of Celebrini and, well, Celebrity and Lindstrom, I guess
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there's no forwards that are like clear cut ahead of everybody else
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And so it's a very defense-heavy draft. This is a great year to kind of pick a defenseman
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and like you look at the I don remember exactly the year 2021 or 2022 and there were like seven defensemen taken in the top 10 and they all look fantastic right now it going to be another year like that but five of your top eight were forwards and I found that really interesting just because most it mostly defensemen that are projected to go in that range and like you have Liam green tree on there I think that that a really underrated pick You kind of alluded to that as well in our write piece
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But yeah, I think that there's a really good chance that Ottawa gets a really good forward as well
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I didn't have Berkeley Caton on my list. And I think I regret that after kind of watching him a little bit more on my top eight
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I would probably have him over Eiserman and a Ginla and have him in my number seven
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but even then, like I could, I would be very happy to see Ottawa select Berkeley Caton
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What do you think about him, Peter? Oh, I mean, I don't know if you've, I don't know if you've seen Cam Robinson from elite prospects
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you know, tweet about do not sleep on him. And if you do, it's going to be a very, very costly mistake because he has been absolutely
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dynamic from the beginning of the year to the end. He's got everything that you want in a centerman
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You know, he's, you got this, you got the speed, you got the skill. you got the awareness, you got the work ethic
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And the only thing that's holding them back is the size factor
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But as we've seen, the size factor really doesn't matter at this point because he's already
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playing and he's got a lot of pro qualities in him that would make him a highly touted prospect
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And, you know, Dayton alluded to the injury issues of Josh Norris, not necessarily the uncertainty
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of Shane Pinto, but the ability to move up into the. lineup and get a little bit more out of him instead of just being like a middle six or second
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line third line center. Berkeley, Berkeley Katten is definitely going to give you that top line potential, but if Norse is still
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healthy and he's going to be a key factor, then he's definitely going to be your second line center for years to come
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And maybe at some point, if you move on from Josh Norris, then Katten is going to assume that role
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You know, when you basically watch him at the Link of Greski Cup, he basically took control
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of that tournament. And he scored in very key moments and he was a very big clutch factor
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for Canada. This year was Spokane. He's been very, very clutch. He's been very productive
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And ideally, I would have him in my top five. But again, it seems you're going to overlook him
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because of the size factor. I think that's just a bit of a mistake. But even though he's like 510, 511
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there's still room for him to grow and add more strength. It's not like he's 5, 5, 7, 5, 8
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where maybe there's a little bit more uncertain, but then again, not to compare him to Logan Stankovam
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but a lot of people had him as a first rounder, and he dropped it in mid-second, and look how well that turned out for the Dallas Stars
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You don't want that to overshadow everything. If he can play, if he's got the skill
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if he's already got the smarts at a high-end level, you've got to take them. And if he's available for the Sends
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that should be the case if they choose to go in that direction and get a centerman or forward
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Yeah, and I just brought up one of Kahn Robinson's tweets about Berkeley Caton
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And so every CHL draft eligible skater to produce 50 plus goals and 115 plus points in the 21st
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century, century, sorry. Sydney Crosby, Patrick Kane, Connor Bred, Berkeley Caton. That is a very short list
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And then he ends up by saying fade catten at your own peril. So that is, yeah, certainly being sold on Caton quite a bit
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And this was written a few weeks ago now. And I've had more time to kind of dive in
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and watch some players, but he would absolutely be on my list now. Yeah, I, Dayton, did you have anything that you wanted to add about Katten before we move on
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He's so fun to watch. Like, you alluded to watching him so far and, like, regretting putting him on your list
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The clips that show up and then I've dived into some like shift by shift stuff, he is just like
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silky smooth when he moves. Like, I think the thing that would make him such a
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good center despite his size is he's able to avoid contact. Like he almost just sort of knows where all the gaps are and keeps the puck on a stick
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and then also can make brilliant plays. Like his intelligence and his skating are top line talents
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Like I would put him, maybe this is a bit of an overstatement
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but I'd put him kind of in the same range as Demadov. like both of those players are are game changers and they rely a lot on their skating and their
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intelligence to make and to not get hit and avoid getting into problems just by being
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smarter and faster than their opponents. That's going to be less easy to do in the NHL but if they have those skills already
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that's going to pay off in a major way when they get a little bit smarter
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a little bit stronger, a little older. So, yeah, like, he's going to be the Sears Zach Benson
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I can almost guarantee it. Someone's going to, there's going to be a bunch of teams who pass on him
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And I bet you the senators will too, because the senators like big, or at least their old management liked big
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and there are a lot of the old draft guys are still there. I think he'd be a fantastic fit for this team
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He'd mix so well with Tim Stutzler. I was just going to add that in
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think that he would fit very creative. So if Katon is drafted by the senators, would you ever play them on the same line
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Or would you separate them? Oh, put them together. Have some fun
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Like, do you remember in the, was it the 2020 World Juniors when Stutzla had J.J
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Butyrka and Lucas Reichel and Florian Elias on his line? that he played with regularly
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That was fantastic. That was a lot of fun. Thanks for bringing that up
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That's a great memory watching the 2020 World Juniors. Does Stutzla have that person on the senators right now
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No, not even close. Yeah. The next best option for Stutzel to play with is Drake Batherson, who is good
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He's good. Yeah. But no. So before we kind of go revert back to the defense
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but I just want to go through a couple of the other forwards on your list. I found it interesting that you have Againla over Hellenius on your list
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Personally, I like Hellenis a little bit more, but Againla has shot up the draft rankings this year
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It's been really fun to watch just kind of everybody open their eyes and say, this guy's not like a mid to late first round pick
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This guy's top 10 because at the beginning of the year, he was like around 20th, 21st
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somewhere around there. And now that we're just a month away from the draft, he's top seven, top five
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like people are seriously having that conversation. Dayton, I just wanted to get your thoughts on kind of having a genit number five on your list
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Yeah, so I would have put him higher, but I was born in Alberta
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And there is a very large part of me that would just love to see him in a flames uniform
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Oh, yeah. And with him picking, or with that team picking ninth, like I think it's very much within the realm of possibility that he falls to them
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and I feel like it should. The senators, however, could ruin that
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And I'd still be okay with that because he's so good. He is a fantastic goal score
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Like, he's not his dad. His dad was a power forward who could score goals and then hit you into the boards
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and fight you and also pick you back up and pat you on the back because he was a gentleman, right
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Just a fantastic Hall of Fame type of guy. That was a Don Cherry description right there
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, a lot of Canadians have that in the back of their mind, right
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But Tej is much more like pure offense. He will just outscore you because he's got a great shot, great playmaking abilities
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Yeah, really, really good with the puck. He also a very hard worker which he would have learned from his dad He is able to you know just kind of outwork the opponents to get the puck and then he can score
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He doesn't have the same all-around presence, which is why I think maybe you'd prefer Hellenius
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He's more of an all-around center. But the senators are lacking right wings
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They do not have nearly enough to rely on if one guy goes down
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Then they're drawing on, whoof, not a lot. The right wing aspect of their roster is limited
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So I prioritized getting one of those guys, and I think the best one available is
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is Demadov a right wing? I think he's a lefty. He's a right wing
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Okay, so the second best right wing, I would argue, is, again, Lund. Just he's got everything that you know
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need and senators need goals. They couldn't score last year, at least not enough
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So why not prioritize somebody who can really fill the puck or fill the net with pucks
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Yeah, I think that there's definitely an argument for that. He's just, he's so creative offensively and can kind of make anything happen out of nothing
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He doesn't have the speed that you might hope for a guy like him, but he just has everything
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else that really helps offensively. He's just, he's so dynamic with the puck and like I said
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he can just create nothing out of thin air. And he might have a future as an NHL center
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I know some people earn as high on him as being a center moving forward, but whether he's a center or right wing
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do you see him fitting, Peter? Oh, absolutely. And if I remember correctly, during the U-18s
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he did play up the middle of the ice. And I think maybe he rotated in wing every now and then
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But I mean, whether he plays center or he plays wing, he's just going to be absolutely dynamic on whichever team he goes to
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including the senators. You know, we talked about, like Dayton was talking about the comparisons to his dad
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and he is a totally different player. Like he has that dog in him
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He has that ability to constantly attack. And when he has the puck on a stick
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he wants to take control of a shift. I remember watching the, well, U-18s
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but also the top prospects game, where I believe he was on that top line of Katten, Katten, Parasic, and him
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I believe that was the top line. And as good as Katten and Parasic were, I, Gilad took control every single time he had the puck
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And he stood out way above Katten. And at that time, Katten was ranked higher than him
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So I think right now on par, or it's kind of even at this point out where Gillow could
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possibly be taken higher than Katten, I think, obviously he's got a little bit
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more of the size factor, but even his defensive game, I think he's just very, very underrated
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because he does have that ability to, he does have the awareness to back check. He has the ability
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to close gaps. And he may not be overly physical, but he does have the positioning to cut
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defense, not necessarily defenders, but cut attackers off, separate the opponent from the pocket
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regain possession, and then quickly transition the other way. He's got that mindset and he's got
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that mentality already down to a T. And if he's able to, I mean, not be consistent
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but if he's able to continue to do that from here on out next season, the season after that
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he's going to have a very, very bright future. And, you know, this second half is a big reason why he's improved his draft stock to being a top
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10, possibly even top five selection at that. Because there's, I've even seen Mocs where Montreal
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the Canadians could possibly even take them. So we'll see how things play out
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But yeah, I mean, if he is available and the senators do need a forward
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I think he would probably be the next best option to take because of his overall skill set
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and just the ability to attack constantly the middle of the ice and get to those high danger areas very, very easily
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Yeah, I think one really important factor that you both mentioned is that he's a very
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different player from his father, Jerome McGinla. And I think that that's incredibly important because he is the furthest thing
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from an Epo baby there is. Like when you look at when the Kachucks were drafted
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that's all that was talked about is, oh, well, they're only drafted this high because they're physical
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and their dad is Keith Kachuk. They play the same game as their father, Keith Kachuk
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which it wasn't true. Like, they were absolutely worth where they were drafted
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Matthew Kachuk should have gone higher. And yeah, like, that's just not the case for Tiji Ginnla
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And he plays his own game. He doesn't play the same style that his father did
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Therefore, he's not getting the same attention in the similar ways that he did. So I think that that's a really important thing to bring up because a lot of
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people just say, oh, it's Jerome and Gittal's son. Of course he's going to be good. That's just not at all
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the kind of conversation you can have around it. So we'll move on to some defensemen now
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We kind of started with them and then moved our way into forwards. But Anton Sileyev
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I don't know what to expect this draft with him. I've seen mock drafts with him at three
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and I've seen some with him at 14. So, Pedro, I'll ask you first
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where do you expect that Salaev goes, and do you think that he'd be a good pick for Ottawa
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He's left-handed, so not necessarily a need for Ottawa, but when a 6-foot-7 defender that did very well in Russia comes available
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do you take him if you're Ottawa? You definitely have to consider it
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I mean, like you said, 6-7, it very screams the Dano Chara-esque
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And we all know the early days of Zadano Char with all the Ottawa senators before he went to the Boston Bruins
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But even then, you know, having a 6'4-7 mobile defender that can move as effortlessly, effortlessly as he does is very phenomenal
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And to get those minutes in the KHL too, because players in his age are still in the junior level
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They're still in the VHO. He's already, he was being relied on heavily in the KHL
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That is a big feat right there. That is a big accomplishment for him. and that's why he got on a lot of radars because of that ability
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I think the main question is what like he had that strong offensive production
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Like he was about a point per game or just under a point per game in like eight or nine
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games really, really cooled off after that. What's his offensive upside going to be
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Is he going to be a defender that you can rely on offensively or is he just going to be
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you know, middle of the pack but still very good defensively? So he's got a lot of things down packed
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He's got that physical edge. He's got that size advantage. He's got that defensive game that screams, you know, kind of top pairing shut down
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And he could contribute offensively. But if you're expecting him to get a little bit more offense out of him, I don't see how that could be top 10 potential maybe, given how he hasn't been consistent throughout the season
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And again, it could just be attributing to the fact that he is 17. I mean, he is still growing
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He's still learning the ins and outs of the games, but he's already got a lot of foundation for him to be an effective NHLer
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So it depends on if they feel like they can move out a left-handed defenseman
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and feel like he's the next best option. And then that makes someone available as another prospect because he's going to shoot up right behind
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I mean, Jake Sanderson isn't a prospect anymore, but he is definitely going to become their number two defensive player within the system
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be it, NHL or prospect. So he is definitely a name, but it's a very, again, like you said, he's very sporadic of where he's going to be, whether it's two, three, top five, ten, or just outside of that
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Personally, I think he's just outside, but, you know, it wouldn't surprise me if there are going to be teams that are going to be knocking on the door when they go up and want to announce his name when they make the pick
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Yeah, Dayton, you left him off your list entirely. do you just want to talk about that for a second
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Sure It not that I don think he not a good fit for the senators I think having somebody like that and you know the char comparisons Peter mentioned are there I think they are more valid than they have been in the past He still not a char Let not you know cross our wires here But he definitely as close as we have been in like maybe the last decade
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but because he is a big left shot defenseman, I don't think the senators need to spend a top 10 pick on that
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I think Salehav is definitely worth a top 10 pick. I just don't think the senators need to do that
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It's especially with him mainly playing a more defensive game, having a big shutdown guy, that would be good
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But just thinking, like, who do you end up pairing them with? Because you want to put a defensive guy with an offensive guy
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Does he end up taking over with Sanderson? Does he end up taking over with Shabbat
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I mean, we're talking several years in the future as well, right? But wait a second
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No, he doesn't because he's left shot, right? So he's replacing one of those
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That doesn't seem quite right. So are you banking on the fact that Shabbat is on his way out when he starts to come on him
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And that is the mentality of a rebuilding team. So when I was making my list, I think, like I said, he is worth a top 10 pick
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I don't think the senators need to do that because they have plenty of high-end left-shot defensemen
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And I think there's also better options in the forwards and some of the right shots
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that will be available at that point. That's fair. And I have them on my list
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and I do think that the uncertainty of the left side of the senator's defense
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kind of opens up the conversation a little bit more about potentially needing somebody on the left side
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especially because Shabbat has, I believe, three more years left, and Chickren only has one year left
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Brantstrom is probably not coming back. So the future of that by the time he is ready to compete for a full-time
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like top four spot. the future of the senator's blue line is up in the air. So that was my kind of process, and he could be coming in at the time that Shabbat's on his way out of Ottawa, potentially, just depending on how the future he goes
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The last two names I wanted to talk about is Sam Dickinson and Carter Yikam Chuk
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I think that they're both very different defensemen, but two defensemen Ottawa could look at as a good option at number seven
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And if like, let's say, Zame Parek is gone and let's say
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all these other guys on our lists are gone. I do think that Sam Dickinson and
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Kareke, Mchuk, could be two very good options. What do you think, Peter? How much time do you have because I can talk on and on
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about Sam Dickinson? And I know Dayton is tired of me talking about him as well
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I'm not tired. Go on. I think he's one of the more pro-ready defensemen
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in this NHL draft because he, He's got a lot of the defensive qualities and two-way game that defensemen in his age are still learning
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But he's ironed down and has already got it down pat. The one question mark is that he can do a bit too much
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He can't get a little bit overzealous with the puck. But when you look at his mobility, the ability to jump into the play, the shot that he has from outside
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be it a slap shot or a very powerful wrist shot from the point. the breakout plays, the ability to defend a rush very, very well, coverage in one-on-one situations
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And the way that he's reading and closing gaps, even when there plays along the borders and tie-ups, he's going towards and he's taking a man
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He's taking his assignment and making sure that puck doesn't come to him. He's reading the plays very, very well at an NHL right now
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I think the offense will come. I don't know if it's going to be, I doubt it's going to be at any level of, like, you know
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McCar, you know, whatever. But I think the offensive production is going to be somewhere around like an Eric
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Eckblad, Muriel Heiskin and type level where it's going to be 40, 50 points, but
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that shutdown game, the ability to eat minutes and play in any situation, teams are
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absolutely going to love that. And he is a less shot defenseman
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And if I'm Ottawa, I am definitely clearing up space or clearing out my prospect pool to
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make room for him. because if you are looking for a defense that could jump in in the near future
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I definitely feel confident in him that he can definitely do that
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And again, we've already mentioned Thomas Shabbat. We've already mentioned Jake Sanderson
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Who is going to say who is going to go? I think if you have a left side of Sanderson Dickinson
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for the future, I think that's absolutely going to be fun to watch because I think he's definitely going to be one of those defenders that you could rely on
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Regular season playoffs, this is the guy that will step up in a big moment. and he has delivered even in the OHL playoffs right now
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Yeah, that's, I do also think that he could be a fantastic pick
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You had him at number four, I had him at number six, Dayton. So just for the sake of time, I'm going to ask you one final question, Dayton
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Neither of us had Zeev Boom on our list. Do you want to talk about why
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Yeah, so that one's a tricky one. I think Zeev Boom is, again, a fantastic player
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he's worth the top 10 pick. Where does he fit with the senators
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He is in college, which means he is going to take a longer time. He does need to iron out a few little minor inconsistencies
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So, like, sure, let's think two years down the road. But he's a left shot again
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I think if there is a left shot available and no one else really fits at that seventh pick
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I'd go Dickinson first. Because he's just that more complete player who could jump in a lot sooner
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I think the senators need to think and need to prioritize bringing in guys that are NHL ready
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They need to boost up their prospect pool desperately, but maybe do that with some riskier later round picks, right
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You got that 26 overall. Grab somebody who's, you know, high end but high risk
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That's fine. Got a, I think, two second rounders. One. maybe I'm thinking in the future một
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One second rounder, three, fourth rounders. Okay. I knew there was a stockpile of picks at some place
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Four fourth rounders. Yeah. So use some of those on some, you know, kind of off the board, interesting selections
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Grab some little guys. With that seventh overall, I think they need to be a lot safer
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And so that's why I would prioritize Dickinson over Boyham, who, again, fantastic, but he'll take a little bit more time
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and Yakim Chuck, who we didn't really mention, but he's more rough and more developed than Perak
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And I think Perk is, yeah. Yeah. Perak is, I think, as risky as I'd go with that seventh
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Okay. And I just want to chime in before I close us out here
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The second round pick, I think if it's anybody but I'llian Nabok of, it's a failure of a pick
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I think that that's 100% who Ottawa should be selecting with that second round pick
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but anyway we don't really have the time to get into alien abakov and our late round picks but
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maybe closer to the draft we'll have you back on peter and kind of do like a a full draft mock draft
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for the senators and see what fits or whatnot maybe we'll look into that um but thanks everybody
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for tuning in peter thank you very much for joining us this has been great um we look forward to
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doing something like this again so make sure to go check out peter's content on the hockey writers
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stuff and we'll see you next time