The former Google engineer explains how she uses AI in her workflow, why it's terrible at comedy, and where creators should draw the line
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Alberta Tech, welcome to Mashable's VidCon booth
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Thank you so much for having me. Yes, I'm so excited that you're here. How's your VidCon been
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Oh, it's been amazing, but in equal parts overwhelming. Yeah, there's a lot
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How many times have you been to VidCon? Zero. Oh, so this is your first? My first time, yeah
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Okay, so you're really taking it all in. I'm taking it all in. Oh, hey. Well, I'm excited to talk to you about your creator journey
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Yeah. And I know that you've had a very successful career as a software engineer
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previous to your creator career. What made you want to start making content
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Yeah, so I started making content during COVID. I was just bored at home. Yeah, of course
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And I was like, I want to be making jokes on TikTok because everybody I know is scrolling TikTok right now
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and making jokes on TikTok. Yeah. And so I just started off making really silly jokes
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about whatever would land. I'd make jokes about like living in a tiny New York apartment
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during COVID, like anything I could. And then as time progressed, I found my community more and more through tech
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through software developers specifically. and at that time I was working as a software engineer at Google and so that
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was sort of like what my daily life was all about and it sort of grew from there
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Yeah, so you kind of built your audience which is so important. I've been talking
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to a lot of creators here at VidCon and it seems like building a community is
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essential to really breaking through and it sounds like tech is what resonated
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most. So how did you balance kind of your career at Google with being a
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content creator? Yeah, well for a long time I was doing both until just a
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couple months ago. So I loved working in my job. I was working specifically on YouTube
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which obviously is very important to me now. And so I loved being able to build features for YouTube
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But at a certain point, I also realized that to be able to take this really seriously and to be
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able to make the kind of content, the high quality bar that I wanted to hit, I needed to do this
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full time. Yeah. And what was that moment like for you? Were you a little nervous about going
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full-time or? Totally. I was so nervous to tell my boss. She was like, are you sure about this
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And I was like, I'm pretty sure I've been thinking about this for a long time. Yeah that amazing Do you think your career as an engineer kind of helped you build trust with your audience 100 Especially in the tech space Yeah I think it super important My audience now is like just over half software engineers developers
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And so I think to speak to that group of people, you need to have some kind of credential behind you
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You need to know what you're talking about. Now, I didn't talk about my career at Google specifically online almost ever because I didn't want to get fired mostly
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That's a valid reason. Very valid. But I think the way I was talking about the topics and the things that I was referencing made my audience know that I truly did have a career in this
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Yeah. So I know your videos often satirize AI, generative AI especially
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And I know you've said, though, that you're kind of cautiously optimistic. Obviously, as your previous life as an engineer, it's probably pretty helpful
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So what makes you feel that way? So I would say, you know, when generative AI first started becoming popular, I was so, so skeptical of it
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I don't know if you've heard like the term stochastic parrot of just the idea that the LLM is just, you know, saying the next most plausible thing
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Yes. I was like, everyone thinks these things are genius, but they're kind of spewing garbage
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And in late 2022, they were kind of spewing garbage. Yeah. But I have been really impressed by the progress that I've seen, and I've seen AI used for actually very useful and good things
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And now it's a part of a lot of my workflows. And so it has made me optimistic to what the future can bring
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Obviously, it has evolved so much. And in many ways, I'm sure it can be very helpful for creators
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I've sat in on a few panels this weekend. Every panel has mentioned AI and its usefulness, the tools that creators can use to help with their content
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to help with their administrative tasks. So what do you think AI is good at for creators
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and what is it kind of still terrible at? Yeah, I use AI a lot for researching
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and I think that can be really useful because obviously you shouldn't be trusting facts blindly
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that you get from AI, but it can show you which paths to go down
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This happens to me all the time where I asking AI about a topic I want to cover and then I seeing I didn even know about this backstory and now I going to be able to go down a rabbit hole here I think that is amazing Where I still not 100 convinced is the creativity aspect of it I know people will
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try all the time to write out a script using chat GPT. I have never had that work for me
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I can have it give feedback and say this is not a good fact. This is spelled wrong
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but whenever I say generate a funny script not not quite it's not quite there yet so I want to
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talk to you about vibe coding because I feel like it is this big tech buzzword we've been
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writing about it seeing it for years now but it's kind of evolved into like this real like
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the internet's perception of it is like so not what it probably really is so I'd really want to
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know like what's been your experience with my coding as an engineer who probably actually uses
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it? Yeah. So it's interesting because for software engineers, the word vibe coding has become such a
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dirty word. People really don't want to be called a vibe coder. Yeah. But the word, as you mentioned
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has evolved a lot. So like when it first came out, it truly meant typing into Chachukati, Claude
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whatever, like build me a website, don't look at it at all. And you just blindly trust that code
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Now a lot of developers have tools that fit into their workflows. And so they can actually look at
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that code, know what's going on, or give very specific instructions as to what they want
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the AI to do. And so it has evolved a lot, not just blindly trusting that code, but becoming part of basically
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every programmer, every software engineer's workflow. We don't have a great word to describe that process
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I've heard agentic engineering used before, but it's not a very popular colloquial word
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I will say. I know in New York, there's an event called VibeCon
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Oh, I heard about this. Yeah, and I was like, okay, Vibecon. Sounds lit
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It does sound lit. But probably, you know, to be there would be a different thing. Yeah
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You know, I know you are now a full-time creator, but I would love to know how your past career
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kind of helped you in your job as a creator, and also like maybe as how your job as a creator helped you as an engineer Ooh good question I would say my job as an engineer has definitely helped me as a creator in that I talking about technical
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topics and I had six and a half years of experience, like really delving into those technical topics
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And so I, I don't know every topic that comes up in the news, but I know how to look into those. I
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know how to think about them, how to conceptualize them. Um, and then also in a, in a boring way
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working in corporate for a long time helped me stay on top of emails, stay on top of my calendar
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know how to do all those not so fun things, but very important things. I would say as a creator
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what really helped me in my career as an engineer is being able to communicate and being able to
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talk about these more technical topics in ways that are easy to understand. We talk about
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authenticity a lot and it's become a little bit of a performance these days. You can perform
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authenticity, but I feel like really being authentic to yourself as a creator is really
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having intention behind what you're creating. Yeah. Right. Totally. So what excites you most
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about tech right now? It could be actual tech. It could be trends. What's inspiring your content
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lately? Oh, interesting. I think that like all of the new model releases, everything that's going
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on with like Claude Fable and all of that stuff is uncomfortably exciting. As I, as I say, um
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Because we are really on the precipice of like this really intelligent AI and everyone is paying attention
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And these used to be topics that were so small and like only appealed to a small group of like very technical people
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But it's now something that is in the news every day. Everyone is talking about it
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What's your advice to creators who are maybe just starting or, you know, they're thinking about, oh, should I quit my job to go full time like you just did
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Like, do you have any advice? Yeah. My advice to new creators is that in a lot of cases, your audience doesn't really care about you as a person
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And so you kind of have to make them care about you. And I would say, like, until you can find that thing that makes them care about you
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like the value that you're providing, the entertainment that, like, really hooks, you have to keep trying
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Don't quit your job until you find that thing
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