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hi everyone I'm Kell ooro and this is
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adaptable Behavior explained hi
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everybody thank you so much for tuning
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in today to adaptable I'm Kelly ooro and
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I'm glad to have you here I wanted to
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talk with you today about the topic of
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uh te theapy or tella Health versus
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in-person therapy a lot of people are
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struggling to decide what approach they
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and they're um torn because there's pros
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and cons to both so we're just going to
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dig into that a little bit today and
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talk about some of those pros and cons
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before covid we were really an in-person
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modality and in-person experience most
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people didn't go outside of the box to
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do online therapy and um with with covid
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we kind of had no choice we all had to
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separate of course as you all know and
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we had to adapt and we had to become
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flexible and so with that we learned a
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whole bunch about uh about online
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therapy as an option there's so many
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positive attributes related to this
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evolution in our field because we have
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more choices and with with more choices
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always things can improve so let's talk
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first about how do we even decide what
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it is that we want to do do I want to go
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through one of those apps and find an
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online person or do I want to look in my
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community and find an in-person
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therapist so let's talk first about
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Effectiveness research does show that
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online therapy can be just as effective
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Ive as inperson therapy especially when
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you use an Evidence Place uh based
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approach like cognitive behavioral
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therapy or EMDR therapy uh eye movement
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desensitization and reprocessing which
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is a really uh well researched bottomup
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trauma informed therapy um but let's
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break it down a little bit further so
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cognitive behavioral therapy uh there's
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been many programs that have been
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successful in treating anxiety
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depression and other mental health
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conditions for example there's apps like
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wobot um that use CB principles to guide
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people through self-help exercises and
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coping strategies like I've mentioned in
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many other episodes we want to make sure
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we recognize those strategies as a state
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change activity um as opposed to a trait
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change activity if we want to get to the
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root of the matter we have to do
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bottomup therapies and the good news is
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that even online we can do bottomup
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therapies such as EMDR EMDR I've got a
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whole episode or actually two episodes
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on how EMDR works that's the specialty
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that I have um and I've been doing for
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many years and it involves bilateral
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stimulation like with eye movements or
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tapping and it's been adapted for online
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sessions uh I love a company called
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bilateral iOS if you're a therapist
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tuning in they are my favorite these uh
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gentlemen from Holland got so Innovative
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they were motivated for the right
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reasons to create this application for
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us therapists during covid because they
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were former clients and they had an IT
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specialty and they they saw a gap and
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they bridged it during Co and they
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offered this app to us for free for so
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long while they were developing it and
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it was a game Cher so I have to tell you
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that there are some really cool apps
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that help us as therapists and as the
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client um working through these things
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together uh with apps that make us
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something that we didn't think could be
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done by not being in person really super
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effective on in an online setting so
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with EMDR therapy and the applications
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that have been invented we can
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absolutely use um these strategies to
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work on on unresolved things that people
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come to therapy for the modality does
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matter because there's there one we have
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to have research that supports uh
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therapeutic modalities and Effectiveness
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so that we're making sure that we are
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effective and that our outcomes can be
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counted on and so there is a lot of um
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research for virtual versus face-to-face
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sessions uh specifically with uh CBT
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therapy and now EMDR therapy talk any
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talk therapy or video call works well
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because people can talk about uh
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themselves how they feel their feelings
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and they can have support and connection
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and validation the relationship is the
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basis for outcomes that are strong and
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so that can absolutely be achieved in an
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online setting and so if we're lonely if
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we're disconnected we're able to have an
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online uh experience in a therapeutic
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setting we don't have to wait till an
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in-person option happens I will caution
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you that certain experience cial
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therapies would probably not be as
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effective like um art or dance therapy
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where there's probably something that's
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lost in the digital realm so there are
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certain things that uh are better in
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person another factor that has to be
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considered when it comes to con thinking
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about online versus in-person therapy is
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the client Readiness so your Readiness
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for change plays a significant role some
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people thrive in a virtual therapy
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setting they appreciate convenience
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privacy time constraints that don't have
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to be considered by going into an office
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but others might struggle with the
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format missing those tangible uh
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presence of the therapist uh and the
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physical connection that we get so I'll
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share a little bit about my personal
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experience both as the client and as the
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therapist uh that we learned about
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during the pandemic so of course my
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therapist switched to online therapy
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when we were in the covid uh times and
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at first I was like this is kind of
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weird I'm not so sure about it but uh it
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really felt liberating to have sessions
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uh from my home I didn't have to travel
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up to Scottdale where my therapist was
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but I did miss some of the things about
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the ambience of being in the therapist's
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office and feeling that sense of
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connection and of course there's that
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energetic share of having that
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transference energy of being in presence
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with somebody and also the space that
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had been established for me in her
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office you know I lost that so now I
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have associations with with you know my
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home office or a bedroom or some of
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these other places that I did therapy
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from and that's not necessarily the most
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ideal situation but it definitely worked
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now in my case my therapist opted not to
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return to an in-person setting so I have
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remained online and I get really
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effective work done in my online therapy
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setting now I will say that as a
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therapist I experienced absolute change
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for my clients I was able to still
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create uh the connection and
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uh the safety and people were able to do
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really really good work myself as the
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therapist and treating people online but
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I have to say something I didn't expect
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to have happen as the therapist is the
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energetic connection that I felt that
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was that was about what I got from being
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a Helper and being in a helping position
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that was gone in the same way that it
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wasn't the same as it was when I was in
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person and I noticed that I was more
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I'm an extrovert and I gain energy from
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being with others and so for me that I
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noticed was a real change in my energy
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level being online but I have to say
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that there were several clients that I
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worked with where there was a shift that
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helped people move past stuck stuff when
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they went online so some of my clients
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which I didn't even know had become a
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little overly Reliant or dependent on me
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during our in-person sessions and so
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when they were forced to go online and
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they had to become more autonomous um
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which I didn't realize was happening uh
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they became more autonomous they became
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more independent they became more
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self-reliant and whatever part of them
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was falling into a dependent strategy in
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our relationship that was sort of
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removed and people were able to heal in
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ways that we weren't achieving in the
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same kind of cadence uh in person so
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some things came out of it that I didn't
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expect to see and I found it really
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fascinating another concern that you
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have to think about when choosing tella
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Health versus in person are privacy
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concerns online therapy requires a
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private space you have to set some
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boundaries with the people in your life
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and in your family uh Whispering from a
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closet is not ideal for deep therapeutic
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work although I have to say that during
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Co I did work with a couple people who
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found themselves in their closet with
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the do shut and we had clothes behind
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them because that was how they could get
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the most privacy and you know Sound
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Reduction so have to consider your
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surroundings and ensure that you have
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quiet confidential space uh for your
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sessions so that you can get the most
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out of your experience because when we
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have those distractions in our personal
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lives it interrupts your sanctity of
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your healing space so you have to
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definitely be comfortable enough to set
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boundaries otherwise you're going to get
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interrupted then there's some advantages
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too like maybe you have an animal that
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can lay by you during your session and
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um offer some emotional support where
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before you uh wouldn't have had that and
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so we've learned a lot about the pros
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and cons of being in some of those uh
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alternate spaces rather than being in
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the office specifically now as a
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therapist something I noticed is the
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non-verbal communication is a bit harder
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to see as the therapist um and my client
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is online uh because we really are
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responsible for following direct access
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for things like body language facial
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expressions and even energy I can feel
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energy when someone comes in before they
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say a single word and I'm like what's
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going on so these cues can enhance our
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therapeutic relationship and they can't
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fully be replicated online and so that
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um you know let's say I'm working with
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someone and they slouch in their chair
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but I can't really tell online so I
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can't tell they're falling into a bit of
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a low or shame posture or maybe
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everything from the waist up looks great
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but their foot is profoundly moving and
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they have a really strong fidget
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response that I can't see online and
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that's really important information as a
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therapist so it's a little harder to
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pick up on some of those subtle cues in
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an online setting um but you know with
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good Attunement which you can do as a
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therapist online we can uh we can
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achieve a pretty good understanding
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about what's happening in those
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non-verbal cues now we want to talk
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about convenience and accessibility
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there are people that live in really
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remote areas and they don't have access
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to good therapists or geographical
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barriers and so being able to just get
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online and have have access like let's
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say I live in the outskirts of somewhere
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in New York and I can have access to all
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the therapists in New York City my
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possibilities of getting good competent
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quality help have drastically improved
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so that's one really positive uh aspect
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people that were formerly not able to
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see someone because of those
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geographical constraints now have that
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opportunity uh flexibility is not uh
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something we can ignore as well I have
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clients that you know even though we
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moved back into in person they will
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still opt for online settings depending
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on their work schedule or their travel
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time or their uh other uh things that
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are in their calendar that they need to
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manage and modify they're able to go can
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I just do online today or I have a child
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care issue and I can't leave the kiddo
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at home but I don't want to cancel my
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session so I'm going to jump online so
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that convenience can really be a
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positive thing for people in our busy
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lives comfort's something you want to
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think about too do I want to be in an
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office or do I feel anxious or over
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overwhelmed when I have to drive or when
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I have to be in a space with more people
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or if I have to wait in a waiting room
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for a long time if I can just stay in my
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own office and I have the Privacy that I
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can offer myself for the situation and I
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don't have to worry about uh discussing
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sensitive to topics uh in my environment
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that is really comfortable but there's
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you know the disadvantage of if there's
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an emergency or a crisis if you're
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online we need to be able to have
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someone that we can call to help help
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you cope with something because
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ultimately we can't physically be in
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your presence one of the considerations
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that I have found to be most frustrating
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for some of my clients uh and for them
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to find frustrating is the technological
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requirements so if if someone doesn't
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have good internet or they don't have um
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they live in a rural area and they don't
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have uh consistent uh Power internet
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issues online therapy can create a
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little bit of difficulty uh while at the
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same time the pro of that is I don't
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have to do a long Comm if I'm in a rural
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setting and that can be a a positive so
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you have to look at both pros and cons
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something that I've noticed but not all
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too much is that costs can be different
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so in a space we have a lot more
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overhead whereas if I'm a therapist that
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just works at home I don't have to
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necessarily pay rent and so I might be
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able to offer therapy at a lesser cost
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and uh we don't have to add travel
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expenses and all the other additional
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expenses involved with running an office
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so remember that whether you choose
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online or inperson therapy what matters
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most is finding a supportive space where
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you can heal and grow you still want to
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interview the therapist you still want
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to make sure a fit is part of it and I
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would say the best case scenario if you
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can find this is an in-person therapist
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that you can go online if you choose to
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or an online therapist where you can
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come in and do intensive work for a
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couple hours at a time every couple
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three months just to get both
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experiences that's the ideal sweet spot
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if possible but ultimately getting help
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is better than not getting help so um
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make sure that you uh reach out if you
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want help there's lots of good U places
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to find help online and in person and if
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you're looking for an inperson therapist
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that does EMDR therapy check out
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mrea.org where you can filter on your
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ZIP code uh you can also look at
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Psychology today and filter on your ZIP
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code your insurance uh people who do
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teleah health or not and you can find
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people in that way thank you so much for
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tuning in I hope this helps you
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determine whether or not you decide to
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find an online or an in-person therapist
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and what we want is that you get the
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help you deserve because everyone uh
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deserves freedom and peace and healing
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and until next time I hope that you move
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forward leading with love because it'll
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never steer you wrong