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Welcome to Adaptable | Behavior Explained! In this video, I explore practical steps to repair and strengthen your relationship after a conflict. Whether it's a disagreement with a partner, friend, or family member, conflicts can strain relationships, but they also offer an opportunity for growth and deeper connection.
I'm Kelly O'Horo, Attachment based EMDR Therapist, EMDRIA Consultant, and Advanced Trainer. I'm a mom of 5, Nonna of 5, wife, and a healer. I have the honor of spending my workdays walking along side people while they brave their healing journeys. I try to live with the generous assumption that we're all doing the best we can with what we know. Therapists are teachers for the "life stuff" and "emotional vocabulary" that may not have been learned due to gaps in our care givers capabilities. In the last 15 years I've learned that people are freaking amazing, resilient, and inspiring. Most importantly, we are hardwired for connection and for healing!
I hope to bring an authentic, compassionate, and unpolished approach while we explore a variety of topics such as parenting, marriage, relationships, dating, trauma, attachment, adoption, depression, addiction, anxiety, and love! There's a why for all behaviors and an explanation that makes perfect sense as emotion is at the root of it all.
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hi everyone I'm Kell ooro and this is
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adaptable Behavior explained hi
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everybody thanks so much for tuning in
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today we are going to talk about a topic
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that is so relevant and prevalent uh and
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that's repair after conflict in
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relationships and I have to say that in
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pretty much every client people come in
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talking about an issue they have with
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their partner or the way they
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communicate or have conflict with a
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partner they talk about things that are
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related to how do we uh I'm so tired of
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the of the cycle I'm just exhausted from
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the way that we interact I hate that we
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take so long to come back to connection
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with one another and I just um I just
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struggle with that and you know as a
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therapist when I have someone on my
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couch you know the guidance is really I
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know that it's hard to be in
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relationship and people are going to do
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the things that they're going to do but
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one thing that's always sure is we can
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only affect the way that we show up in
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response to issues in relationship and
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how do we uh experience and change our
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Direction our communication our nervous
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system so that we can have better
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relationships with the data that comes
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at us in conflict and so today what I'm
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hoping to do is share with you uh ways
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that we can repair ruptures after
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conflict because you know we all are in
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relationship sh whether that be personal
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with friends with uh with spouses with
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Partners uh in our work environments I
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mean let's face it relationships are
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everywhere and so I hope this show
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resonates with you and you find some
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nuggets that serve you and if you like
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the content please make sure to share
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don't miss further episodes and it helps
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us to determine uh future topics for the
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show so with conflict resolution we
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understand that there's so many things
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that can be part of it and we're going
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to talk about several of those uh facets
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one of the things that's really
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important to understand is that our
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attachment style really affects the way
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that we interact in relationships and so
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we're going to talk a little bit about
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our attachment Styles not too much I
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have a full episode on attachment Styles
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highly recommend that you determine
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yours uh and figure out what what your
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attachment style is and the attachment
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style of your partner uh the other topic
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that we're going to talk about is
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setting boundaries some communication
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strategies during and after conflicts
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and so uh grab a pen and a paper or make
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sure that you pause in sections and talk
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with someone that you are in
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relationship with so that you can apply
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some of these strategies in your in your
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life so just a quick review on
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attachment Styles there are secure
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anxious avoidant and disorganized
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attachment Styles and all of them
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significant uh significantly impact our
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relationships because we you're going to
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have a propensity to show up in
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relationships and engage with people in
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specific ways depending on how we are
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wired and so you need to recognize your
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own style and that of your partners if
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you want to read more about this there
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is a great book called attached and I
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highly recommend that to really every
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one of my clients especially if they end
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up in coup's work um as a kind of a a
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foundation on who am I and and who is my
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person and how can I expect them to show
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up and it also helps us to really
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understand what guides them and so I
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want to talk a little bit more in depth
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about a specific attachment style and
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how that might look in Conflict so the
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most ideal uh attachment style is our
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secure attachment or a secure style and
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a person who has a secure attachment
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it's not that we don't have conflict
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it's just that during conflict we can
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remain calm we can be open we can remain
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curious and uh we don't necessarily fall
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into blame so quickly uh we're able to
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express feelings without shame and
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without shutting down and getting small
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and emotions are of course at the root
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of every behavior that we ever did and
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so we want to be able to express our
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emotions and our feelings and in a
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secure attachment style it's a lot
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easier for someone like that to to do
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that so something in Conflict might
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sound like you know I understand why
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you're upset let's try to find a
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resolution so that we can mitigate
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conflict in the future so there's an
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opening there's a curios it and there's
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an opportunity for resolution uh and a
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and an opportunity for brainstorming a
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resolution someone with an anxious or
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preoccupied attachment style can be in
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unrest more easily uh they become
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emotional they need reassurance they
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often fear rejection and abandonment and
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it's activating something when in
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disconnection or when in Conflict where
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a person starts to feel you know
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uncomfortable and they need the
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reassurance
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and so they're someone who might say
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something more like you know are you mad
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at me what did I do or they're super
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sensitive to an expression of
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disappointment or confusion on someone's
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face and they um they're really nervous
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about the disconnection and so if
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they're mad can we get through it this
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is the person that might even follow
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someone uh when they've said I'm angry I
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need a minute you know someone with an
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anxious attachment style might follow
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them into the other room because they're
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so uncomfortable with the disconnection
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then there's the uh dismiss in or the
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avoidant style of attachment and so this
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person is more naturally reluctant to
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connect and so they'll down they'll
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downplay conflict they might withdraw
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emotionally these are someone who would
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say you know it's not a big deal
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whatever you know bygones whatever it is
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um let's just move on and let's just
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move forward so they're not necessarily
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wanting to get into the the details of
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the conflict and the disconnection and
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what happened someone with a fear F or
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avoidant disorganized style these people
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tend to have a more intense emotional
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experience they can swing from uh I need
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to be connected with you and uh and if I
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feel too close and it gets overwhelming
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I might push you away and so that
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toggling between the closeness and the
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fear uh is part of how someone with a
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disorganized attachment style will show
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up in relationship and in conflict and
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so they might be feeling simultaneously
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I'm angry but I'm also scared and so
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they have a harder time figuring out
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what balance might need to look like so
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I want to give you a little bit of
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language related to conflict in uh as an
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EFT therapist we often call conflicts
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ruptures and so I want to make sure you
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understand that even when you go to
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therapy and you have a good handle on
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all of these Concepts it doesn't mean
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that relationship is without conflict
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all relationship will have disconnection
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and rupture and the thing that we want
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to just realize is we can get better at
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uh repair after rupture we can have them
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more uh infrequently and we don't H
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become so distressed when we have them
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because we know we can find our way back
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to each other and so a rupture is
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basically what happens when a connection
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between two people breaks and it's often
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caused by hurt anger or often times
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unmet expectations and so these are the
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little things that you know I hear
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people say I shouldn't have to tell them
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or they should just know and I always
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tell my clients uh we shouldn't expect
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anything without clear and concise
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communication so we're going to talk
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about how both people contribute to a
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rupture and I'm going to give you an
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example and I've included a little
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picture here because truthfully what
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happens in a rupture is we all want to
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be in connection we're hardwired for
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connection and what happens in a r
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rupture is we're like this this uh
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picture from from burning man where
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we're the little boy and the little girl
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or or the or the people that are backs
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to one another but all we really want is
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to have connection as an adult and so
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you can see in this illustration the uh
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disconnection and so I'm going to use an
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example that um is is more of a
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colleague situation we're going to we're
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going to call them Frank and Barry so
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Frank and Barry they run a hardware
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business together and recently they
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invested in a new accounting system that
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was recommended by Frank and
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unfortunately with all new things
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there's risk and sometimes things are
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successful and sometimes they fail well
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in this case it failed and there was a
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cash flow problem that created some um
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dis uh some dis Connection in in the
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partners but also some struggle in the
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business and so Barry has a role he
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discovers that there's a botch system he
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explodes in Rage at Frank he calls him
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incompetent he questions his judgment
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and uh of course Barry's temper
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escalated in the conflict uh and then we
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have Frank's role so Frank Frank made
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the business mistake but he also allowed
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Barry's anger to affect him deeply and
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he was ruminating and upset and instead
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of seeking repair he ends up sulking and
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he waits for an apology and so both
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Frank and Barry contribute to the
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rupture Barry's explosive reaction and
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Frank's emotional withdrawal leads to
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this stalemate they're both kind of
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sticking their heels in with their
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perspective being the right perspective
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and I can't tell you how often I see
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this happening in disconnection and
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unfortunately someone has to um has to
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be the bigger person and take
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accountability for their part in order
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to make repair happen so each person has
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to assume responsibility for their part
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of the repture they have to acknowledge
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their emotions like they were sad they
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were angry they were disappointed and
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that helps shift people from blame and
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defensiveness to that personal
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accountability where people can take a
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stance for um for repair and connection
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and ultimately curiosity and so that's
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just a little example about how
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everybody has to take part in their uh
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take responsibility for their part in
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rupture in order for repair to take
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place so next we're going to talk about
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something called Boundaries and I know
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there's a lot of Buzz around the word
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boundaries uh but it's really important
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to understand uh how boundaries are
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meant to be used and I have a full
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episode on boundaries that I highly
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encourage you to watch because people
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are really mistaking boundaries for
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walls and they're misusing the word and
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they're also not allowing for a pathway
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of intimacy and connection which is
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really what boundaries are about so in
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order to have boundaries in Conflict rep
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repair we have to clearly communicate
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the needs and our boundaries so uh I'm
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going to talk about a couple kinds of
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boundaries one might be a timeout
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boundaries let's face it we all lose our
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cool at times we all feel overwhelmed
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with our emotional experience and so
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sometimes we need to call a pause and so
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that's a time out boundary so during a
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conflict we might need to say I need to
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take a break to calm down or I need to
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just go walk around the block to take a
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minute and that helps us to get back in
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our prefrontal cortex and get into a
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place where we can use reason and
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rational decision-making and and better
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communication and we have a broader
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perspective ability once we're calmed
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down and then after a conflict we need
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to say like let's revisit this uh
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concept or this discussion in an hour
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when we've both cooled off and we're
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able to have more uh you know where
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cooler heads will prevail uh we might
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need to set a no yelling boundary so
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when someone is yelling or they lose
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their temper it's really hard to remain
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cool it's really hard to be in a
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situation where you can be measured and
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be rational and hear somebody else
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because it creates an automatic
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defensive response and so you might need
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to say during a conflict like there's a
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no yelling boundary we need to keep our
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voices down or I'm having a hard time
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keeping measured in this conversation as
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you raise your voice and um after the
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conflict we need to revisit it and say
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remember we have an agreement that we're
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not going to raise our voices so that we
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can get through conflict all
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relationships will have some
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constructive tension when dwell and and
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also we grow through the discomfort we
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gain a better understanding of one
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another we tend to have um more
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connection and intimacy when we've come
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through repair and so it's important to
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recognize that boundaries are part of
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any good relationship
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we want to make sure that we have a
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respectful communication boundary and so
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when we start to put Jabs in and be
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passive aggressive we're we're shutting
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our partner down we're creating a
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defensive stance and so during a
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conflict a communication boundary might
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look like we can discuss this but you
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know I really can't do the name calling
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or we we've we've agreed that we weren't
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going to shame one another and put each
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other down so let's let's look at that
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for communication boundaries and then
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after the conflict we need to Circle
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back and we need to be able to say you
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know I felt hurt when you called me
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names and I noticed myself shutting down
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and really wanting to avoid future
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conflict or or future discussion about
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this and I felt really alone and so we
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need to be able to express our um
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emotional experience after the conflict
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when it comes to communication that's
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part of healthy repair of course in all
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relationships effective communication is
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necessary and so um this is a common
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thing that almost every therapist will
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discuss but I I'm going to dig in a
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little bit deeper so we want to use eye
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statements to express our feelings
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anytime we start with you you you or you
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always or you never we are pretty much
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going to hit a wall because it creates
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and elicits a defensive response in our
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listener and so we want to take
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responsibility for our emotional
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experience you know I felt really
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overwhelmed and hurt when you uh called
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me a name and the story I make up is
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that you don't respect me at all and you
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don't want to be nice to me and about
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that I felt overwhelmed and hurt and I
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really want to allow or I I want to be
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in communication with you but I need you
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to be more respectful to me because
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that's not that's not working for me so
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we can use eye statements in effective
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ways and it allows our listener to
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remain open and we want to make sure we
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stay focused on the issue at hand we
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don't want to bring in all the past
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grievances when we're in an experience
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because quite frankly when we do that
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it's kind of a stock a stockpiling
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tactic and that starts to create
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defensiveness in our listener as well so
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we want to validate each other's
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experiences we want to keep things
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focused on the issue and we want to be
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self-responsible about our uh
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communication another thing that's
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really important in conflict is
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acknowledging the hurt and owning our
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role and so when we're in
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disconnection all of us are hurt most
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people are hurt they might act more
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angry but underneath that anger is hurt
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so we want to be honest about our
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emotional impact you know I know I
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showed up really angry but really what
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it is is I feel so helpless that I can't
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get through to you and then I lost my
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temper so take responsibility for our
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part in conflict and that leaves a
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window open for your partner or the
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person you're in conflict with to also
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take responsibility also take
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responsibility and accountability for
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our part and whatever the conflicts
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about so let's say you know I come home
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from work and the kitchen's full of
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dishes or the sink's full of dish is you
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know um I get angry and I lose my temper
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with my partner and uh you know they get
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defensive and they say you know you
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don't know all the things that I do but
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when the dust settles we need to say you
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know I'm sorry that I took out my
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overwhelm from the day on you about the
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dishes and my partner might say you know
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and I apologize for not contributing
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equally to the household charge I real
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chores I realize that you know I need to
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take responsibility for doing my own
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dishes as well and things like that so
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we want to avoid blame and criticism
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because that just creates a defensive
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stance in the person and it's it's
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ineffective we want to focus on
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Solutions rather than blaming each other
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so instead of saying you know you always
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leave the dishes in the sink um you
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might want to say uh let's find a way to
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resolve the overwhelm related to all of
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our daily tasks and uh figure out you
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know a plan for the future so that we
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can have all of our home needs met
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ultimately this opens us up for a CO
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creation and preventing future conflicts
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so we get better Clarity and
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understanding about how the rupture
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happened in the first place how they
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were co-created how we both played a
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part and recognize we have to clean up
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our side of the street because with all
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conflict there's a 5050 responsibility
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in the situation we want to discuss how
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conflict triggers us so that we can
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prevent um future conflicts from
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becoming so uh eruptive and um we're
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going to talk a little bit about some
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specific keys to repair relationships
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after conflict along with some examples
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for how we want to move through things
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so ultimately we want to always create
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active listening and validation and so
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even if someone is saying something that
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you just completely don't agree with we
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need to say you know I I really feel
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compassion for you that you had that
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emotional experience and I'm really
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sorry that that happened for you and we
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want to listen actively to their
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perspective without interrupting and
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then validate the feelings that they had
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or the experiences that they had um and
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we need to take that accountability for
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our part in it so it's you know it's
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kind of like you know I understand that
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my behavior hurt you and I'm I'm sorry
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that I didn't better consider your
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feelings and then when we apologize it
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needs to be sincere we don't want to be
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just checking a box and we want to be
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genuine you want to acknowledge your
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mistake you want to express remorse you
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want to mean it when you say you know
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I'll continue to work on that uh
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evolution of my part and how we have
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conflict so if I raised my voice I might
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want to say I'm sorry that I raised my
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voice during our argument it wasn't
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respectful and you deserve better
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treatment than that um I hope you can
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forgive me and so it's genuine always
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when we're in a growing stance and we
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want to improve we have to reflect we
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have to have self-reflection so we need
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to go what was my part in it and reflect
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on our Behavior our triggers that
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activated the way that we showed up and
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understand how our past experiences
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influence our reactions during conflict
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we all have a past that um that that
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clouds our lenses and how we view the
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world and so when we are unaware that
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our past uh contributes to how we show
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up then we're bound to continue behaving
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in the same way that we that we have
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because we're not learning we're not
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taking accountability we're not
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reflecting so when we reflect on our
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triggers we want to think about what
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what got me about those dishes in the
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sink what was it that so bothered me and
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you know when and when I think about it
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it's like well I've had to be so Ultra
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responsible my whole life because of you
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know however my parents were and um when
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I see the dishes it's just this reminder
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that see here I am again having to take
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care of everything on my own and that
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voice that I hear in my head that's part
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of my history that says you know um I'm
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resentful and I'm jaded from things that
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I've had to take responsibility for in
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my past and um and I'm kind of taking
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that former feeling of responsibility
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out on my current partner because when I
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slow down and I think about it my
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partner more than pulls their weight
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they more than do their fair share in
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our relationship so my reaction so my so
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my reaction uh to that uh dishes
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situation really had nothing to do with
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that moment it's a buildup of my history
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and it created a defensive response so
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part of our self-reflection is owning
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our role recognizing our history and and
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taking uh accountability for our part
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and that we contribute equally to our
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rupture and by acknowledging our part in
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Conflict we can create space for
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understanding and for repair now that
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leads to what do we want to do in the
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future so that we have better
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understanding as partners whether it's
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business or or friendships or in
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romantic relationships and that's having
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a clear understanding of our needs and
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our expectations and communicating those
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openly to the person that we're in
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relationship with so if I'm feeling
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lonely and disconnected because you know
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my husband and I are like two ships
20:33
passing in the night we're both slammed
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with our schedules it's my
20:37
responsibility to say you know I really
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need more quality time together can we
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schedule some regular date nights
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especially in the midst of all these
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projects we have going on otherwise I
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feel like we're getting lost in
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disconnection and ultimately I always
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recognize that when we're in
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disconnection it's probably because one
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of our basic needs are not being met and
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we haven't had enough time together and
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so we have to make sure that we express
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our needs and then it's really a good
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idea to create some repair rituals so
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maybe an example would be like uh after
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we have conflict and we reconnect let's
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make sure we hug and we say I love you
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after every disagreement and that
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becomes part of our closure and our
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nervous system understanding that this
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is over and this is what we do when
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we're in reconnection and this helps us
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to rebuild trust gradually over time
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because that's what's true is all
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relationships have conflict and ruptures
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but rebuilding and repairing does take
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time and so we want to make sure that uh
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to build our to rebuild our trust that
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we're consistent in our actions and that
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will help us better build trust uh in
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our relationship and ultimately in our
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nervous system to trust that we get
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better we come back together um and
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we're we're going to be okay and so um
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we want to make sure that we build con
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ction and uh transparency about what
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we're needing and talk to our partner
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about I'll be more transparent more uh
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I'll be more transparent about my
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feelings moving forward we want to
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express appreciation especially when we
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get this right um uh not so much getting
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life right but getting our repair from
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the repture right so we want to show
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gratitude for our partners efforts
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thanks for being patient with me during
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our last argument I know that this
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pattern is frustrating
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and that um it can be exhausting but I
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just really appreciate you continuing to
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work with me so that we can be um back
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in connection as fast as possible and
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that we can both take accountability for
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what we do and our side of the street
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now all of this is really helpful and
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useful But ultimately sometimes we need
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a third person to be objective or a
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second person if we just do individual
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counseling so make sure that you seek
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professional help and consider working
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with a therap IST a counselor because
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they can guide you through the repair
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process and provide valuable insights to
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you about your part or if you do coup's
23:06
work you know the couple is the client
23:08
in that case and so the therapist's job
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is to kind of really equally provide
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insight for both part uh both Partners
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part in the conflict and their negative
23:18
interaction cycle and so it's always
23:21
good to get that that um objective
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vantage point I highly recommend it I
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know that it's been so completely
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helpful my personal life in my personal
23:30
work in my relationship with my spouse
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we've had um excellent help with EFT
23:35
couples therapists as well as our own
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EMDR uh trauma focused individual
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therapists and it's really helped us to
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improve the way that we relate and um
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it's definitely been you know hugely
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helpful in the client lives that I've
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been lucky enough to work with because
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they are able to then see their part and
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they're able to course correct so that
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their rep ures uh and repair can happen
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more quickly so you need to remember
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self-awareness open communication lead
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to healthier conflict resolution
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ultimately it takes practice it's
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progress not Perfection and I I hope
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that you're all finding something useful
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from this episode uh so thank you so
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much for tuning in keep working on those
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repairs in your relationships and until
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we meet again next time don't forget to
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lead with love because it'll never steer
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you wrong
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