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Bonnie Blue joins Shelagh Fogarty to discuss pregnancy, the proposed social media ban for under-16s, and the wider conversation around online influence and accountability. Following the 'lenient' sentencing of three teenage boys in the Hampshire rape case, Bonnie says the offenders should face jail time to help prevent reoffending and protect future victims. Listen to the full show on the all-new LBC App: https://app.af.lbc.co.uk/btnc/thenewlbcapp #shelaghfogarty #bonnieblue #uknews #ukpolitics #LBC
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Thank you for joining us and congratulations on the pregnancy and the baby
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I know, thank you. Can I ask how far down you are? Far enough to know the baby's healthy and I'm doing fine
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Good. Do you know the sex of the baby or not? I do. You're not sharing it
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Not yet. Okay, fair enough. This would be too wholesome. I need to share it in a really disgusting manner
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Okay, okay. Can I ask whether pregnancy, though, has changed your attitude to the work that you do
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No. I mean, I've been... It's been hard. I have not found pregnancy easy
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like morning sickness as well and truly throughout the whole day and it's not just been in my first
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trimester um but in terms of me wanting to continue filming that hasn't stopped or it hasn't slowed
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me down surely it must change the kind of things you do that rules out certain stunts perhaps
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made me want to be more careful in certain elements but it has not stopped um what i'm
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doing or me wanting to invite the public people might hear you say that and think oh hang on
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but you're pregnant does this stuff not stop for anything you're pregnant i mean a lot of people
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i've been posting clips recently of me having intercourse whilst pregnant they're like oh my
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god you can't do that you can yeah i think to most people shocks whether women want to say you can or
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can't have it you can like it is okay and it's healthy and to me having sex with one person for
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six hours or a large group of men for six hours is the same thing to me it's just different shapes
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and sizes it's clear from the documentary on tunnel four that most people watched and from
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interviews i've seen you do with other people as well that you are a very smart businesswoman you
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know you know what you want from what you're doing and you know why you're doing it and you
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tell everybody that you enjoy it as well it's not a chore for you any more than anybody's job is yeah
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for sure um there may be days of course when it feels like a chore or you get tired or whatever
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but no more than that. Not traumatising to you is how you put it
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You're also changing the porn industry, it seems to me, redesigning it in a way
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because you want it to be not just public-facing but public-involving. Yeah
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Why did you want the public literally up close and personal in that way
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Because when I used to watch content online, it's so unrealistic. It's made to look like it's genuine and authentic
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but how many times do you call your plumber and then the next minute you bend over your kitchen counter
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like it just doesn't happen and there's a lot you're asking me for real never I mean just so
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you know never but there's always been like men in the adult industry that are filmed with people
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dressed as schoolgirls or they're implying they're super sweet and innocent and the next minute
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they're having sex and that's just not the reality of it nor do people have these perfect perky
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boobs and flat tummies and it's not necessarily relatable and my content is meant to be relatable
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to the audience. So there's no better way of doing that than me just inviting the public
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Whether as a mother-to-be or prior to being an expectant mother, do you accept that, you
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know, you draw a very firm line at the age of 18. I know people have criticised you heavily
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for the barely legal stuff and everything, but you draw a very firm legal line there. But do you accept that underage kids, say between 13 and 18, 15, 16-year-olds, are watching
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your content? Yeah, they probably are. But they're watching it anyway. Like, it's not just me they're searching for
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They're searching for other adult content creators. And that's where it comes down to the platforms to have stricter rules
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And I think they have recently brought in a lot more rules about underage people watching content
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So that's not down to me. That's down to your parents. That's down to watching what your kids are getting up to
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I cannot be responsible for what a 13-year-old is doing. Well, you mentioned stricter rules
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the government has just had a consultation and finished the consultation this week
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on whether to ban social media for under 16s. Would you like our country to go that far the same way Australia did
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No. Why not? I just don't think so. Like, social media can be damaging, for sure
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But so could drinking on the park with your friends. Do you know what I mean? Like, at 16, they're already doing stuff
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They're already up to mischief. The more you restrict them, the more they're going to go and do something else anyway
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So I just think it's more being more careful what they're up to or restricting certain things they can search for
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Like, maybe if they're under the age of 16, they can't be searching Bonnie Blue. But they can still go on social media
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But can they? I think they can at the moment, aren't they? They can, but I mean, like, instead of just banning social media, which is ridiculous
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these... I mean, often the news can be more fake than what social media is. So you think it's a sledgehammer to crack
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and not to do the overall ban from... Yeah, I think you should be... It's lazy, I think
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just banning it at 16. So what... I noticed in the Channel 4 documentary
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which I re-watched ahead of speaking to you, today um I noticed that you pivoted towards a younger and younger audience if that's the word
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for it um and and I mean people also engage with you as well yeah have sex with you as well um
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is this in your mind are you something of a sex educator is that how you see yourself
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yes and no obviously I can play into that but it's part of that is rage babe but part of it like
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when some of these men come and sleep with me and I don't just mean the 18 year olds I mean the ones
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that are in the 40s, like, you can be a virgin at any age, and you can have a lot of sex, but still
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be so bad in the bedroom. Like, I've had one night stands, I've dated people in the past
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and they think they're amazing, but they are terrible, and they need to be educated. So like
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when I have sex with the public, often I'm saying, oh, this is what I like, or I'm asking them what
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they enjoy, and they've become a lot more confident and comfortable with me, because I'm not expecting
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them to throw me around the room and have me upside down and making my eyes water, and it looks like
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my makeup to drip in like it's very real like sometimes guys last 10 seconds sometimes i can't
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even make them finish or they can't get hard so i explained to them that's fine that's normal a lot
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of people in porn inject take tablets it's so fake it's so stop start but they don't know that
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because they don't see that so when i work with the public it's nice to be able to educate them
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on the reality of what happens in a professional shoot but if it let's say as a fact that younger
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kids are watching your content um I not all of your I'm going to say something but it doesn't
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apply to all of your content but to the most extreme edges of your content that's available
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online I'm only speaking for myself if I when I was 14 15 and you're starting to well you you were
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well ahead of me there but because you was 13 was when you yeah but you you you know you're thinking
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about your sexual self and how it's developing and all of that your content would have made me
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frightened of sex when I was a child? Yeah I think it depends because to me it's very relatable and I
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don't mean because I'm surrounded with loads of men but I explain some guys don't get hard sometimes
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you might not be naturally wet and that's okay whereas I think if you're just to watch content
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online you're made to think your body's meant to look a certain way you're meant to act a certain
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way as well and like that's not normal like some of my tapes I upload they're 10 seconds the guy's
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giggling the guy's nervous and even i'm like yeah but you're gorgeous and you always look gorgeous
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and loads of other content providers on only fans yeah you're on fansly now um they do they do
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attempt anyway to look gorgeous and you know it so it so there is a look isn't there that people
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want to to i might fall into a certain look but the people i work with don and a lot of the time when you if you just watch someone a normal content creator content both of them probably fall into that I work with people that condoms will need vacuum sucking onto them because their penis is small
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And that's fine, but you don't see that in porn. You just see these massive penises and they look like they know what they're doing
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And reality is that's not the case. So like, okay, maybe to some people my content might look intimidating
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but it also shows to the majority of men, don't think you need to look like that
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don't think you need to last like that. I want to talk about this so-called culture that
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you are part of without, I mean, you are part of it. You promulgate it in a way. But again
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I don't want to go on about the fact that you're about to become a mother because that's not the only thing about you, obviously. But if your child started to watch your type of content at the
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age of 13, 14, what would you say to them? I'd explain to them, like, all sex is different
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like nothing just because one person looks a certain way or just because a certain person
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enjoys a certain thing doesn't mean you have to it's completely normal if you don't actually want
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to ever go near a penis and you just want to go near vagina that's fine like the biggest thing is
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just communication and this is where I say I'm not responsible because it's down to the parents
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themselves to educate their children or the people around them of what's normal or what's okay or
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what's acceptable but and I know you broadcast in a different way than I broadcast so for years I
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worked at the BBC and now I'm an LBC and we're covered by something called Ofcom which I'm sure
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you've heard of we're covered by Ofcom and there are certain things because I have a platform called
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a program and I can amplify things on that program I have to be responsible about what I amplify and
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how I amplify it now I know the online world is different it's the wild west in comparison with
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the kind of broadcasting I do but do you ever feel like then that for you as an individual you seem to
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answer a lot of questions not particularly these ones today but in other interviews I've seen you tend to answer a lot of questions by saying not my problem i mean if i did that every day on
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the radio i'd be sacked because there's all kinds of times i want to say all kinds of things on the
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radio and i can't um and you can because it's online i know there are some limits yeah on the
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law obviously but do you ever feel that you are turning a blind eye to responsibility the reason
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i say not my problem is my focus in life is to a certain degree to be selfish i want to be happy
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I want freedom, I want flexibility, I want orgasms. I just want fun
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So for the other issues, I say it's not my problem because it's not my job to
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My job is to have fun. Yes, that's fine, but you're amplifying that, quote, fun, as you call it, including s
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And I know there's consent in there in your cases, but, you know, we've had this recent dreadful case in Hampshire
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I don't know whether you're aware of it, where two girls in separate cases... Oh, is this where the boys..
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gang raped the girl and i know that's a different thing yeah to a degree it's a different thing um
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but and again i can't say for sure whether they'd seen any of your content so i'm not accusing you
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of anything here i'm just saying it's it's about the responsibility of amplifying that material
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because boys are going to see that material and think hmm wonder whether i could do that
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girls are going to see that material and either fear it happening to them or think maybe this is how I have to accept sex when I'm a teenager
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Does that not worry you at all in terms of responsibility? In terms of what happens to them girls, it is disgusting and horrifying
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and then parents should be beyond ashamed of them kids. And I will make sure my kid will never be in the position of them boys
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doing something so disgusting like that. But in terms of them girls, they wouldn't have to feel scared because of my content
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I say, I want to do this. This is what I enjoy. I never say, all women should do this
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all women should come and do gang bangs like I don't and even though I do it and I have it open
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to the public you've never stumbled into a room full of blue ski mask and they're asking you to
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get on your knees I put myself in them positions so I'm referring to me and I only ever refer to me
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I never say if you are 18 if you want a loyal husband you should get on your knees and everyone
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you know you should have gang bangs that is the words I've never come out of my mouth so
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where I say it's not my problem it's because too much responsibility is put onto me
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all I'm responsible for is having sex with consensual adults that want to be involved
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the rest of it yes I could use my platform for other things but I also get blamed for so much
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stuff which has nothing to do with me I'm not blaming you for anything I promise you I'm just
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asking you whether you think you know when I was a teenager I can't barely remember them now but I
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you know I would have had influences people I wanted to look like or behavior I thought okay
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that looks good or places you wanted to go you must have had those as well as a teenager and the
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reason I allude to that is that your content is that now yeah you know so so boys and girls who
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are examining sex and looking at it and wondering about it and wanting to do it and deciding how
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they're going to go about it for some of them gangbanks even though you're talking about just
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you and and you're right to point out that everybody in that room has consented to it
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because you make there's a sign that they sign it's very strict yeah um that they look at that
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and think it's part of sex. And it's only part of sex in a good way
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where it's consensual, isn't it? But you can easily see a 15, 16-year-old boy thinking
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I've got access to that girl, me and my mates, we could do that. You can see how it can become that
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And I'm not blaming you for that. I'm just wondering whether it ever plays on your mind
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No, because I always talk about consent. The words, even if you've watched anything I've done
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the word consent comes out of my mouth multiple times. And it's like, this is what I enjoy
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but you could have sex with one person and not enjoy it and that's also okay like it's about
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being confident and I I don't have a massive platform for women like you know my main thing
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has been for men but when I have spoke to women or when I have done videos purely aimed at women
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I'll often say like you need to speak up like you need to say what you enjoy if you don't want it
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hard ask for it softer like don't feel ashamed or embarrassed to ask for different positions
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and that case you know you talked about those those lads being disgusting yeah they are and
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their behavior was appalling, let alone criminal. Do you think that sentence was too lenient
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Do you think they should have served time? Oh, 100% they should have gone to prison. Like, it's..
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I was actually talking about this. Like, I don't keep up with the news too much, but that popped up on my social media
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And it's like, they're 100% going to offend again in the future. They have had, you know, no precaution
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They've had no consequence whatsoever. So the fact they think it's okay, and a judge is able to sit there and say
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yeah you're going to get away free of this is terrible would you work with
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groups whether it's from the government to the police or to edged schools would you work with
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them to talk about consent i mean some schools might not let you darken their door i don't know
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but um you know you're a businesswoman there's a commercial element to what you're doing you know
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you're not a charity worker helping people with their sex lives you may incidentally help people
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with their sex lives in some cases. But would you work with government, for example, on things like this
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I would. I don't know. In the future, it might be something more suitable. But I think because I'm so actively filming and stuff at the moment
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I don't think it's the right... I would be the right person. But I also don't think your form tutor at school
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that's how when we spoke about sex, is the best person. Like my form tutor was lovely She was probably 50 60 and basically made it so you have sex when you married or if you have sex you have to wear a condom There was no talk about you could have sex
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and it feels uncomfortable so actually you can go to the doctor, something might be wrong
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or you need to switch position. It becomes an embarrassing topic. Or you're right or you're lucky enough to have parents who just get straight in and talk
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plainly about it. It should be more spoken about but it is hard because it can be awkward and it needs to come
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from someone to me teachers teaching it it's not that it doesn't come across that serious or
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I know I ignored my teachers at school half the time so when they was trying to teach me or educate
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me on sex it was dismissed I know it was by most of the other pupils and I I'm still not convinced
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I mean you you are but I'm not I'm still not convinced that uh that case in Hampshire that
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we talked about and your response to it is the same as my response to it you know you you feel
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it the way I feel it um or you see it the way I see it um I'm still not convinced that we can
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afford to be relaxed about boys any boys but particularly boys who would go on to do that
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yeah being having easy access to content like yours and and again it's not about blaming you
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directly and personally but it's it's there you're contributing to a kind of soup that these kids are
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consuming and it you say don't ban social media for under 16 so that's not going to be an option
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um they'll still be able to consume it it's having an impact on girls which we can talk about more in
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a minute but yeah but the boys element first it do you never have do you never give a second thought
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to what you're contributing to i don't give it a second thought in terms of what i'm contributing
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to just because again i talk about consent all the time i talk about some days you can enjoy it
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Like, I've had sex with one person before and said, actually, no, I need to stop. It's hurting or it's uncomfortable
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And that's completely fine. And I have often replied to girls. I've got, like, a BTS TikTok account, which shows more behind the scenes
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And they're like, oh, I had sex, and it hurt a little bit. And I'll explain, look, that's not normal
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Like, it's not okay if it's hurting you. But, again, I can't be responsible for..
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So are these underage girls contacting you for advice? No, like, they..
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Like, I have a BTS account, and some of the people will be under the age of 18. but it's not all about sex
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But again, with the content these boys would be seeing, there's Netflix documentaries about murders
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there is sex on TV and films and stuff. It's not just porn. Like, it happens in everyday life
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and I think we're stupid and naive to think if we was just to ban porn..
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Or ban you. Yeah, it'd resolve the issue. It's not. There is a lot of content out there
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and I always forget what it's called, but it's, like, consensual, not consensual
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So off camera they would have said, okay, you're going to chase me and have sex with me
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and it looks like I'm not consenting, I'm going to be struggling. That's really popular in porn
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I've never filmed that and I really disagree with it. So you always make it clear in your films
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that two or however many people here are consenting to it? Yes, but there's content that is out there on platforms
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and it's been highly popular where the girls are pretending like they want to get away
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or they don't want to or they're not enjoying it. And those content creators never get criticised
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they've actually before criticised me whilst having content on that platform which really
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blows the line of consent i spoke to um somebody from the charity bernardos this week children's
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charity uh who carried out research and found that huge numbers of girls between the ages of
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about 13 and 15 that was the age group they looked at were receiving unwanted sexual messaging
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suggestions about sex, pushing them, you know, just stuff they had not invited, imagery, you name it
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And again, I know this happens across the piece. It's not particularly about your
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it's not just about your content at all. But if you had a son sending these messages
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what would you say to him? They're not consenting. You can't just be sending sexual messages. Like
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if you want to chat to that girl, speak to a nice, take her on a date, like
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you don't need to send a sexual message if it's not been asked for
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Like, again, it goes down to consent, and you have to read the room. If someone doesn't want it, don't give it to them
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And I asked you earlier about whether you'd work with government or schools
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or whoever, you know, involved with the education of young people. There's a lot of judgment about you, isn't there
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There's a lot of people who would reject you outright because of what you do and your content. and it may be that all schools or government might be included
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Honestly, I think people are scared I'm going to sleep with everyone in the toilets. I've done nightclub appearances
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I've done a whole list of things. And sometimes I'm like, is she going to keep her clothes on
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They are genuinely scared I'm going to walk into a room and start having sex with the cameramen or the people in the room
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And it's not the case. I very much understand where I'm wanted
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and I'll invite people to come to me. You never see me running into a room saying
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can you all have sex with me and it kind of goes back to schools or government or anyone they're so
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scared to have me because they think i'm gonna instantly just break the law and not have any
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morals or care about consent do you have morals yeah i mean morals is obviously a word which is
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like more opinion based everyone's like oh she doesn't have morals how would you describe your
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morals it's hard because everyone says i don't have morals i don't have respect for myself
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i have more respect for myself and stronger morals than i do now the one i used to have to sit in
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or shower, work for somebody else, book annual leave and live the same boring life as everybody
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else. Like now my morals are, I want to travel the world. I want to experience so many things
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But they're ambitions, they're not morals. Morals are about, well, my understanding of morals is
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they're about how you go through the world in relation to other people, in relation to their
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wellbeing as well as your own. So how would you describe it? I mean, I take great care of people
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they literally produce liquid gold at the end of their penises at the end of it
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It's like, in terms of my morals, I'm doing nothing wrong. And I believe, as long as you're happy..
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Even if it's someone else's husband? Yeah, again, communication. I've not dragged him there. I've not dragged him out of your house
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You clearly have either something wrong at home or there's something either one of you are missing
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So, in terms of the husbands, again, not my problem. I get that the husband has made a choice here when he does that
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I'm not trying to pin it all on you. But if that were me, whether it's in a porn setting, it wouldn't be for me
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but even if it's in a porn setting or not, if a married person came to me and suggested we have sex or have a relationship
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even though I'm not the married one, I would still say no on the basis that that person has a family
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and I don't want to be a single brick in the wall that's going to harm that family
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Yeah. That, to me, just an example of what a moral choice would be
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That just happens to be what I would do. But you see it as, you almost see yourself as neutral in everything you do
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But none of us is neutral in everything we do. But I see it, say if that husband came to you and you said no
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he's going to go to someone else and he's going to come to me. Like, if it meant I said no, it meant he went back
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continued loving his wife, looking after his family and had a very loving relationship at home
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it not what happens if they already looking elsewhere they going to continue looking elsewhere and I see it as when they come and have sex with me some of the times I don even get their name
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I don't even see what they look like. They're in the back of me and I've not even had a chance to turn around
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when we're doing like, you know, the consent forms are done downstairs. They come in and they've got the blue ski mask on
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We're not going on drinks. We're not flirting at work. We're not rubbing each other's legs. Like it's not emotional
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And if I was ever with someone and it was to cheat with me, one, I wouldn't stand by it. but two, if they was, I prefer it to be meaningless sex sometimes
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as opposed to a loving affair. Why is that? Because of the connection, of the build-up
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whereas when some of these people have sex with me, I meet them once, and that's it
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Like, it's... We're not texting. We're not going backwards and forwards. Can I ask you about the blue masks
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Yes. In case people haven't seen that, there's people who come to see you when you're being filmed
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or perhaps you tell me even when you're not being filmed perhaps, but they can, if they wish, wear a blue ski mask to hide their face
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Now, again, when I was watching your documentary, when I saw those images, that to me looked like, even more like a terrifying gang rape
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But it just did, because it's designed to, isn't it? It's not designed for that. It's purely designed
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A lot of these people have wives. They've got jobs. They've got certain things where they do not want to be showing their face
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But can't you just blur their face? Have you seen how many men I sleep with? I don't think I have enough money to pay a videographer to blur every single face in my videos
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it's so much effort and also their face can often cross my body then all of a sudden like some of my
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content I'm at the bottom and I've got 20 30 men over me the whole thing's just going to be blurred
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so having a blue ski mask on is so much easier not only for my content it puts them at ease
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and they know their face is covered I filmed content before and that said actually I did
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share my face but can you blur it and I will but they're so nervous until I've proven I've blurred
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it how often do you do the thing because I watched the documentary and thought and just
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thought these were individual stunts but you do them fairly routinely do you probably every six
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to eight weeks um some aren't as crazy some are like 20 some are like five or six others are into
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the hundreds. And since your documentary and since the whole push for barely legal 18, you know
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you're looking for virgins who are just about 18, who are 18, has the interest from much younger
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people increased on your traffic? When I mainly do these events open to the public, it's more
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people probably aged late 20s to early 50s. It's not loads of 18s queuing up. When I do things like
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freshers slightly different but the reason the 18 year old content for me is so good is because a lot
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of my subscribers are nervous they wouldn't last long they don't know what they're doing and they
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would kind of act the same in the bedroom as what an 18 year olds so it's not necessarily the age
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it's their lack of experience which becomes so relatable and you have more you're continuing
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throughout your pregnancy or so far in your pregnancy to do your work
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And did I hear right that you have a stunt planned for June
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Yes, I have a baby shower on Saturday, next Saturday. And I'm inviting the public to turn my baby shower into a golden shower
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You see, now I'm uncomfortable. I haven't been uncomfortable at all in our conversation
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And you're delightful to meet. Now I'm uncomfortable. This is your baby
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This is your child. Yeah. again my body this is what I'm choosing another body as well yeah but when I you have when you
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have sex with them again it goes back to whether you're having sex with one person which most
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people do throughout their pregnancy or a group of different people of different size penises it's
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the same thing like if you couldn't have sex during pregnancy I would not have sex but you can
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have sex so I will have sex I'm not worried about you having sex in pregnancy I just think turning
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a baby shower or do you regard it as a fake baby shower? Yeah, it's like a fake baby shower. I
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won't be inviting my family. No, but your baby's with you. Of course, but the baby's with me
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for the whole nine, 10 months. So just make it a sex event because I'm pregnant. Pregnancy is a
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big fetish for a lot of people. And yeah, who knows? I might only be pregnant once. So I'm
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going to make the most of it. Do you worry? And I didn't expect to go here in this interview
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But do you worry that your baby might be taken off you
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No. There's one thing which is social media and there's one thing which is reality
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And I think, well, I've seen the state of some families, especially in the UK, and they've got kids and continue to have kids and get funded by the government to keep pushing more out
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So I don't worry at all that I'll have my child taken off me. Even though you're openly there, I know you're saying you're not using your child
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but I would argue that you are using your child. because again it's that neutrality thing that you you use in conversations I don't know whether
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it's planned or whether it's just how you interpret things but it isn't neutral to have a baby
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in the kind of setting you're just describing I think neutral to invite lots of men in to be
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filmed to make money while your baby is growing inside you this seems to me that's not neutral
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For sure. I think, like most things I do, you'd probably be disgusted in or you'd be like..
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It's not disgust, honestly, it's not. It's concern, not disgust. Yeah. But again, if people was actually there, it's not as intimidating
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These men are actually really sweet, they're nice people. But you only see the idea that I've had sex with all these men and it's not a nice environment
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And that's not the reality and it's not... There's more to show behind the scenes
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but you you talk there about a fetish some people have a fetish for pregnant women yeah some people
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have fetishes for babies as well don't they all pretend to be a baby and want to film themselves
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with babies as a baby you will keep your child entirely separate from that yes when he or she
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is born yeah like to me yeah these people that dress up as adults like i've been in porn shoots
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and they've had actual baby rooms and they have adult diapers and people make sex tapes
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in there and they pretend to be a baby to me even though that's above board
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I don't like it, I don't agree with it but I understand to other people that they do
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that and there's a certain content creator that you could probably go and watch for that
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but that's not going to be me. But until your baby's born he or she has to come along for the ride
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Yeah it's again if the sex was harmful I wouldn't do it
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but it's not harmful and it would just be down to people's opinion whether they agree
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and a lot of people won't agree with it and it's going to have a shock factor to it and people are going to be you know angered and that's part of it and don't
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answer this question if you don't want to it's entirely up to you um it's not the kind of
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question i would normally ask any woman but because of the kind of conversation we're having i feel i can but you can tell me off yeah um do you know the father of your baby it's one of many
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i'll leave it as that now you're doing now you're doing businesswoman stuff
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that it's part of my life with the baby or with my personal life
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and it's always been the case, I only share so much. And it will always stay like that
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OK, thank you very much for your time. Thank you
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