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After watching LBC's investigation into Bulgaria, I'm even more worried than before
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And there's one thing I really want to know. Does the government's response come anywhere close to matching the scale of the problem
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We've just seen the size of the operation behind these crossings. I mean, we're talking about vast criminal networks operating across Europe
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making enormous amounts of money bringing people illegally into this country. I mean, this isn't a few blokes standing on a beach in Calais
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This is an international organised crime syndicate. It's a business and a very lucrative one. Some boats are capable of carrying up to 100 people. Now, if each person, let's say, carries, you know, pays £5,000, is that right, the calculation? That's half a million pounds for one boat. Half a million. These gangs aren't going to stop because Andy Burnham offers us some hope
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so who's going to stop them hope certainly won't because what do we do keep hearing from the
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government the numbers are down well excuse me but is that the ambition now I thought the ambition
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was to stop the boats but now it's oh we have fewer boats because stopping the boats and fewer
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boats they're very two different things and and personally I want them stopped and I want them
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stop now. Do you? But here's what really bothers me. The government actually does have the power
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to stop it. They really do. They can detain those that arrive and deport them to third countries
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Instead of doing everything they can, right, what are they doing? They're giving them leaflets
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telling them it's illegal to have sex with children. By their own admission, by the way
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of giving those leaflets, they recognise that the men arriving are a danger to women and girls
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they know that some are IRGC operatives they know that some are convicted Muslim Brotherhood
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bomb makers have made it through you'd think right you'd think that them sitting in their
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fancy office they'd be saying to themselves oh god we better stop this now but instead instead
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they've decided to spread the illegal migrants accommodation across towns and villages like
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Piddleton and tell us, suck it up and we have to take our fair share. As if it's some kind of
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I don't know, war effort for the greater good. Is that what you want? And if it is what you want
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I really do want to hear from you. And if you don't want that, I want to know whether you think
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that the government is pulling all the levers they can, is pulling all the levels of resources
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and determination that is necessary to stop it. Because these aren't abstract questions, by the way
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No, no, no. We're talking about the safety of the people living in this country
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And I don't think that's an extraordinary demand. Do you? It's the most basic responsibility of the state
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I mean, they have the monopoly of violence, right? I don't have the capability of going and stopping an illegal migrant
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and detaining and deporting him. And I don't know about you, but I do think, I do really think
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and perhaps it's because I'm a woman, that protecting women and children should be right at the top of the government's priorities
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Is it? And this brings me back to the scale of the problem, right
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We have international gangs, moving boats and equipment across Europe. We've got people paying thousands of pounds to reach Britain, people making a hefty profit out of it
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And we've got a government that keeps talking about reducing crossings. but is it using every tool it has to actually stop the crossings and if not why not that's the
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question because if the government says it needs more power tell us what they are if it needs
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detention capacity explain what they're doing to provide it if it needs agreements with other
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countries tell us which agreements are missing and how they're pursuing it because a reduction
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in crossing is a measurable result. And I salute the government. But it isn't quite the same thing
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as bringing it to an end, is it? And I think the public is entitled to know what the government's
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actual objective is. Is it reducing? Or is it stopping? So here's what I want to discuss this
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evening. Is the government matching the scale of the small boat crisis? Is the government action
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And if you believe the government is doing enough, I particularly want to hear from you. Tell me what you think is working. Because after seeing that investigation by LBC into Bulgaria, I think we need a serious conversation about the gap between the size of the criminal operation and the government's response
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And one question just keeps coming back to me. If the government knows the scale of the problem, why isn't it doing more to stop it
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Honestly, it beggars belief. You know, LBC has been given exclusive access to border access
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to border force in Bulgaria, who have seized hundreds of small boats bound for crossing the channel in the UK
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The Captain Androvo checkpoint with Turkey is one of the world's busiest land borders
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and is the front line of Europe's migration crisis. Criminals here are now being supported by the British National Crime Agency
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to thwart the criminal gangs trafficking migrants and stop the equipment for small boats crossing getting across
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Where is the PM's sense of urgency here? Do you think he really understands the scale of the problem
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We're going to take a quick call before the break from Jim in Dumfries and Galloway
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Hello, Jim. Hi there, Leila. Go on. What do you think? I think he could stop the boats and the people if he wanted
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Why do you think he doesn't want to? well i i'm i don't know why he doesn't want to i'm sure um i'm sure a lot of people would like
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to know why he doesn't stop them do you think people actually don't want him to do you think
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there is an electorate out there that he's trying to appease by not stopping the boats is there
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anyone in the country who wants thousands of illegal men arriving on our shores oh there are
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i mean all the the the people that chant uh refugees are welcome here they don't want them
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near living near them of course they just want them somewhere in the country for some unknown
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reason. So the Greens, I presume, most of Labour, Lib Dems, they all seem to want them, even maybe
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some Tories. What is the benefit? Why would anyone want that? I don't think
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anybody knows the answer to that, apart from maybe Andy Burnham and a few of his pals
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Yeah, I mean that is the question, right? Yeah, but the fact that he could
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stop them, that's the thing. Of course, he could stop them, he could stop
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them. There are so many levers he could pull that he's not pulling. Absolutely they are. And not doing it
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And this little thing that he's talking, the clip he paid where he's saying thank you to LBC for shining lights and this, for doing everything they can
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They really are not. No, they're not. His nose is getting longer and longer
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We can stop the votes tomorrow if we wish. The only reason I believe we're letting them in is for votes
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For votes? Well, they can't vote for a long time. But once they're in, it only takes a matter of time for them to vote
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Now that is a sinister point of view, Peter but I've heard it before
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It could be but I've been around since Margaret Thatcher so I've seen them all come and go
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I am a reformer and I will be a reformer going forward
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Good man, Peter But I do believe the other parties brand you as a one pony all we talk about is boats I think before it all kicks off for the election start looking at other things where people are going to say actually yeah I want to go with reform
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I don't know, get rid of the BBC licence. To be fair, Peter, we have said that we're going to increase
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the threshold to £15,000, saving couples a lot of money. We do talk about other things
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But I think the problem is that the small boats keep coming into people's minds because you hear of
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another man who's come over illegally, who's sexually assaulted someone, who's an IRGC operative
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And it's so pertinent because really it's the duty of the government
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to stop it. And everyone's asking, why are you not stopping it? If we're not being told
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we can only assume. Yeah, that's true. No, that is a good point. And by staying silent on why they won't stop it
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that's when, you know, you can say things like you did. are they doing it for the votes
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And that's, yeah, that's when the mind wanders. I must admit, though, I do think reform
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needs to slightly move away from the votes, only slightly, because it is the biggest problem
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But, Peter, we're the only party who's really talking about it and we're the only party putting pressure to stop it
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If we stop talking about it, I'm afraid no one else will
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Next is Paul from Twickenham. Hi, Paul. Hi, Leila. I think a wise, humane and compassionate government
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would start dealing with this issue by negotiating with the French to have an application asylum centre in Calais
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where people can have their asylum applications dealt with there. And if they're successful, they can come across in a big boat
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What would success look like? Who would you want to pass through that test
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Anyone who's fleeing from persecution and has a legitimate claim for asylum
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it wouldn't entirely in my view later stop the small boats. I think we're running into danger here
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Is there a limit to how many people you'd like to, you said anyone, is there a limit to how many
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Anyone who's entitled to a claim to asylum is welcome in my opinion
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That's a wide ranging reason. I mean is there a limit to the numbers you want to see here Paul
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and are you willing to pay that extra money in tax to support them once they do come here
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Well, I think once they do come, Leila, they should be allowed to work
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There should be sponsorship from people and churches and organisations. What if they don't work
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Sorry? If they come here and they don't work, and we do have a lot of people that come here who don't work
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are you willing to pay for their upkeep for the rest of their lives? I'm willing to pay for those who genuinely can't work
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Those who can work, I would like to encourage to work, to integrate, to be sponsored
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Integrate? Leila, we're getting away from my main point in ringing, which is to say we're in danger here of branding a whole group of people
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Let's asylum seekers. I don't want criminals here. But how do you know they're not criminals, Paul
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I think their application asylum should be tested in Calais or in other embassies
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They don't have any form of identity and you can't exactly do criminal check, background checks from Afghanistan
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How do you know they're not criminals? I think, Leila, there's two options here
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I see a black and a white side to this because on the one hand, we're told by someone who had authority to love our neighbour
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And we're also told to be wise. Is Afghanistan our neighbour? Not to allow the country
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How about loving the people here? they're also our neighbour how about loving British people
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how about a bit of love to the women in Pittington that would go a long way
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well I think Leila we're in danger here and the people who are rampantly
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anti anybody claiming asylum we're not we've welcomed Ukrainians it's a retrograde step
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it's not a country I want to be part of where no one
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is wanted here. It's not true that no one's wanted here. All people who come over in small banks
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including children and women, where they are dismissed as some kind of plague
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I think we're going back to the 30s. I think we're in danger. I don't think we had this problem in the 30s, actually
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The problem, I'm talking about other countries, Leila. What other countries? For example, Germany, I'm talking about
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where we dismiss. Hang on. What about Germany? Are you comparing not wanting illegal migrants to what happened in Germany
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To the Jews. Yes, I am making that sort of comparison. I certainly am
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Wow. I mean, honestly, Paul, I find that quite an abhorrent view. I don't want unvetted illegal men coming into this country and being allowed to roam freely
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I don't want IRGC operatives or Muslim Brotherhood terrorists or potential rapists that have to be given leaflets to teach them that it's illegal to have sex with children
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and you think not wanting that is comparable to the Holocaust? Is that actually what you're saying, Paul
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People who come over here with evil... Hang on, hang on. Is that what you're saying? Are you saying that is an unwarranted view
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and you're comparing it to the persecution of millions of Jewish people
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Leila, what I'm saying, if you let me finish the sentence, is I don't want people coming over here with evil intent to..
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But they are. We've got to deal with it by having a system where we treat asylum applications in Calais before people get into boats, deal with them as best we can
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And when people do come over, we're never going to completely solve the problem
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And I don't want these people. Would you like to have an asylum centre next to you
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Just right by where you live? I wouldn't mind. and I didn't want the... Well, it's good because Burnham's..
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If I did have, I'd want to go and meet them, invite them round for a cup of tea
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and I'd want my local church and the people I know, Leila, who live around me
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would welcome the chance to try and get to know these people
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to treat them as humans. I remember there was one man, Leila, who..
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He's died now, but he ran a boat in the Mediterranean that picked up people whose small boats
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had fallen to pieces and they were in danger of drowning. Paul, what would you tell the women that were sexually assaulted
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What would you tell the women that were sexually assaulted by some men that arrive on boats? I'd say it's disgraceful and we want to punish the person
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and get rid of them and deport them if we can. But you're saying you want more of them
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The man, we need to deal, this is a global problem. It's not going to go away and we can either deal with it..
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It's actually a problem in the United... I'm worried about what's happening in the United Kingdom
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I don't really... I'm not bothered about what's happening outside in different countries. I'm worried about
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I speak to women who don't want a thousand men unvetted housed next to them
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and you're saying that that concern is comparable to what happened in Nazi Germany
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Thanks Paul, I appreciate the call but we're going to have to really, really strongly
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agree to disagree. To be fair with you, I do agree with Paul
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We need to show a bit of compassion. Some people are coming
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because they're coming because they really need to come here and you guys are..
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Why do they need to come here? Well, why not? Why not Okay so shall we just let everyone in No no Paul never said said that And I not saying that everybody in your time Martin everybody under the same approach Just because one done it
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that means everyone's done it. But I'm not saying that. I'm saying that for me
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and I think for a lot of women, one person coming in
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you know, if one person's a rapist, if one person's an IRGC operative
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out of 100, that's one too many. Wouldn't you agree, Royce? No, no, I absolutely agree
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but what you're trying to say is because of that, stop every single boat because of that one person
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Yeah, of course. I don't think illegal migration should be rewarded. I don't believe any crime should pay
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No, exactly. So if people want to come here, like Paul said, wet them up at Calais, give them the chance
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because we don't know what they've been through. We also don't know what they've done or their intentions are
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Well, that's why we say wet them while they're at Calais. How do you vet them when they don't..
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How do you vet someone with no ID? Well, this is what we say
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We need to find out for the ID. How do you find out? It's easy to say we need to find out
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As I said, there's no criminal background checks that you can call the Taliban and go
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do you think you could check if this guy's a known terrorist? How do you vet them? I absolutely agree
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But what we are trying to say is that any... Well, this is Nigel Farage's politics
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So do you think... Any vote comes to shoot it. Do you think... That's what Nigel Farage's politics is. No, that's not..
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Do you think... I've got a couple of reform leaders here. Reform is nothing but pure racist
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Pure racist. They got exposed badly this time. Nigel Farage, the same person who takes back hunters
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and he couldn't explain himself. Now, now, now. So, Raz, Raz, Raz, Raz
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He's talking to you about this. Raz, this is a two-way conversation
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We're going to have a two-way conversation or else I'm going to hang up. That's fine
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Okay, so if you want to have a conversation with me, calm down, number one
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and I'm going to ask you one question and then I'm going to have to cut it off
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So you want illegal immigrants to keep coming in, correct? I didn't say that
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I didn't say that. Paul never said that. You were trying to put words in his mouth
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I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. I'm trying to reach the conclusion of your argument
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And the conclusion of your argument. What is the conclusion of your argument? For instance, a centre where they can go before we vet them and everything
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How do you vet someone who doesn't have ID? Well, we need to find out what country, so it's not hard to find out
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Let's say someone and they're from Afghanistan. How do you vet them? You can't. You can't vet them. You can't vet them
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I'd rather keep the women of this country safe than give the benefit of the doubt to someone who's trying to come into this country under illegal means
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That's me. And I think a lot of people would agree. I hope they would. I want to say that the term asylum seeker, really, really, please do not use it
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It begs the question. Asylum is a place of safety. Really, people who cross the channel have passed through not only France, a place of safety, but many cases, many countries before that
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And the word to seek has a kind of biblical connotation of sincerity and genuineness
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They're migrants. Don't talk about asylum seekers. Migrant. We don't know. Just leave it neutral. Migrant
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But not asylum seeker. They are not. Because when you say asylum seeker, people of goodwill and empathy go all sorts of jelly wobble and think, oh, the poor people
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We must be kind. We are so vulnerable. We are so stupid
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The language begs the question. And I feel it's a terribly strong point
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We just should not use it. I couldn't agree with you more, Susie. And the only reason we use it, they are actually illegal migrants
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But as soon as they say the magic word, it's like open sesame. They're not seeking asylum
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They are applying for a label that calls them asylum seekers. Susie, I couldn't agree with you more
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Do you think the government's doing enough? No, absolutely not. What do you want
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Are you happy the numbers are down or do you want to stop? I think we should resile from the UN Convention of 1951
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because that gives us huge problems. It says you cannot take steps against a person
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by reason of the manner in which they entered your country. Exactly that, Susie, you are on the ball on that
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That is so profound because in 1951, we didn't have common motor cars
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we didn't have aeroplanes, we didn't have all the means of transport that we now have
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Well, it was never meant to facilitate illegal migration. Of course it wasn't
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It was a different time. and we're, I'm sorry, it just, please stop, please would LBC stop calling them asylum seekers
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Point taken, I shall speak to them. It's a term borrowed from a UN document. They are just migrant
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That's neutral, just migrant. And then you can determine, are they legal or illegal
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Well, I would say they're illegal by virtue of coming here illegally. If we're restricting it to the small vote, so-called small, to channel migrants, I agree with you
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But as an overall thing, persons entering without what's called leave to enter, yes, migrants
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OK, and then you determine it. There is legal immigration and illegal immigration
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And we're talking about illegal. Yeah. Thank you very much, Susie. And I will pass the message on to the powers that be in LBC
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So listen, I've been listening to the show from the start with great interest. And I can't believe listening to this hour, how hypocritical you're being
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You had a chap on there a couple of minutes ago talking about the boats. and you turned around and said to him
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if there's one person on the boat that's a rapist, stop all of them coming in. So, and in the previous hour, you said
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please don't judge the whole party by a number of members that have been
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let's say, less than favourable. Well, which is it? Is it different standards for different things
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Of course it is, because these are illegal migrants. I don't have a filtering system to know who's coming in and who's don't
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Well, what filtering system then is reform users to get people out? When someone's found to be a racist in reform, they are kicked out. When someone's found to be a rapist or an IRGC operative, they're not kicked out of the country. They're here and they become a burden and they become a danger to the country
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OK, OK, fair enough. Do you not agree? Well, I do agree. I agree at that point, but I just believe that it's a bit hypocritical
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But Kieran, Kieran, look at this objectively, right? If 100 people come on those boats like we saw in Bulgaria, and two of them or one of them is a national security risk, you really want to take that risk
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Why do you want to give anyone? They're coming in deceptively, you know, under deceptive means without identification. Why should I give them the benefit of the doubt
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why shouldn't my priority be to the British people and be like, you know what, I don't know who these people are
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I've no idea who they are. And that unknown is a huge risk. And I'm going to take that unknown into consideration
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and protect the British people from it. Okay. And then, well, if that's the case
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you're saying they're vetting all these people before they come in. Well, what vetting is the reform party
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Well, you can't vet them. Oh, I mean, of course, we have very strict vetting
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Very strict vetting. I was vetted before I entered. But as I said people can pretend to be something they not during the vetting process and then say things after It very you can vet for someone for what they say after It the nature of being a human being and it abhorrent and I think you should judge a party
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by the actions they take when something like that is found out
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And the action we take is a zero tolerance. On the small boats issue
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they're not that small anymore. No, sadly. What exactly then? So, reforms say
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they'll stop it. So, how do you think you're going to just stop, be able to come in and stop it
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and how long will it take you to stop it? Number one, we treat them like criminals and we detain and deport them immediately
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You know, right now there is no... Deport them to where? Third world countries
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So that's third countries. We'd have agreements with other countries or return them to where they're from
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We have no problem returning them to the country they're from. And we will use all diplomatic levers that we can to ensure that that country takes them back
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But I can assure you also that unlike successive governments, is that reforms policy is that if you come to this country illegally
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you will have no access to the benefits of this country. You will have no access to welfare
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and you will have no chance of ever becoming a British citizen or being housed under the British state
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And I think you will find that... Sorry? I think that's fair
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I think that's fair. And I think once they recognize that, what's the point of me going to England, crossing the boat
23:45
There's nothing there for me. It's the poor factor. And I think once you stop that
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I think they'll stop coming. And it's happened. Australia did the same thing
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And it's less about where you deport them because I think once the poor factor stops, they'll stop seeing a benefit in coming over
24:02
So will you have to leave the UNHCR to be able to do that? The ECHR, yeah
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We would have to leave the ECHR. And how do you think you'll be able to do that
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when it's so tied into the Belfast Agreement? Yeah, but the Belfast Agreement can also come under national law
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You know, we could write separate legislation to cover that. But we cannot have..
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The way you're coming across, sorry to interrupt you there, but the way the party coming across
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it sounds like he's going to come in and basically do like what Trump should say
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I'll have this sorted out in a day. I'd have that sorted out in a month. I mean, to be fair to Trump, he brought..
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How long is that going to take us? To be fair to Trump, he brought illegal migration down to, I think, zero very quickly
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Kieran, there hasn't been the political will to do it. there just hasn't been and I think now there's definitely the public appetite and I think that's
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I would almost say a public desperation for it to stop and it's the government's duty to do it
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the government's the only person the only organization that can. I think there's a reason
25:06
why Labour is refusing to stop these illegal strangers who we know nothing about and they
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don't do any checks and I think it's quite obvious really I think it's an agenda I think the left
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Du Bois hated our history and our culture. And they think that they can use a battering ram by using mostly, let's be honest, Islamic immigrants to wreck our communities, to dissolve our patriotism
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And I think it's an agenda. I really do, because what other government would be so careless to actually put so many men every day of every week of every month of every year into our communities and make women and girls unsafe
25:47
there's got to be an agenda going on. I mean, and the previous caller
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a previous caller said that, said in the absence of a reason, you've got to assume the worst
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Yeah, you've got to. I mean, you've got to assume the worst. We haven't been, we have not really been given a reason
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why he won't stop it. And as well, do you remember when Labour said
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they're going to bring in this misogyny law? Well, they've scrapped that
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And I've been writing so many times to the different politicians asking where this is
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you know, what's happening here? I never get any response, obviously, because they couldn't be bothered to from the plight
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But the reality is they've scrapped it because of their core voters. Now, I'm not stupid
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I'm not racist. You're a Muslim yourself and who I really respect. I've got no problem with people who are Muslim
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I actually have a lodger who's a Muslim. Yeah, but you've got a lot in Shepard Bush
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Yeah, but there is a problem with Islam. There's a problem with radical Islam
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There is. There is a problem with radical Islam. And don't forget, we are a country. You remember London was called Londonistan 20 years ago
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And do you remember Abu Hamza, the terrorist with the hook? Yeah, absolutely
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Do you remember, basically, they said that, you know, the government has said that you can come and live here and seek refuge here
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as long as you don't attack this country. And now, you know, you reap what you sow
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We've allowed the Muslim, you know, we haven't prescribed the Muslim Brotherhood. We've allowed, you know, I remember 10 years ago going to an event
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with a conservative minister, and he was saying how madrasas are a hotbed of radical Islam and hate
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And I literally put my hand up and I'm like, why don't you close them down? And he said, well, we can't because of community cohesion
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And that's a betrayal. Well, yeah. Do you remember when the police were ripping down posters of Jewish hostages
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Yeah, I do. And they allow El Quds to march holding signs of Ayatollah Khomeini
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It's weird, yeah. And I was told, you know, I said, if I was mayor, you know
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I would stop those marches. And someone would, you know, I think a Labour MP was like, well, don't you believe in freedom of speech
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And I said, freedom for me is if a Jewish young boy can go to school with a kippur without security
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It is not people marching, praising Ayatollah Khomeini. And right now that freedom doesn't exist here
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But I do think, unfortunately, that there's a lot of people in this country who are more in despair than anger
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And I think that I don't think it's... I think despair and anger
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Well, no, I think they're in more despair now than anger. I think the anger is sort of gone and it's in despair
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And I've got to be honest with you, I am very, very worried that Labour are going to get in again
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because the right are going to split the vote. Now, I've got to be honest with you as well
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that Kemi is fantastic. I do really, really like her. And I prefer her than Farage
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But I will vote for reform this time. I will do that because they are the ones with the momentum
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although they're losing the momentum. And something's got to happen. Don't believe everything you read in the press, Luke
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We're not losing momentum. Well, there are last hope. I mean, there are last hope. They are. And we're going to have to agree to disagree on Kemi. But all I can say is don't believe what you see. You know, I go up and down the country. The momentum is there. The support is there. And we're going to stop the boats
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I admire your patriotic approach. Thank you, Mike. I just think it's lovely that somebody can feel passionate about our country and care
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Best country in the world. Certainly is. And I just love the fact that Nigel follows Putin as his hero. I think it's lovely to see that
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He doesn't follow fitnesses here. He does. I've heard, I've seen. You've heard and you've seen, but you must be watching AI
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Go on, Mike. Well, maybe. If you're following, if I went into McDonald's
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and I bought a well-known burger chain and I had a really nasty burger
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I would have a problem with McDonald's, the firm, the brand. And when you see reform, I see nothing but problems
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absolute problem after problem. And these people are not nice people you want to go and have a drink with
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And I did think that when you started the conversation at the evening, that you were working on the script
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It's a very, very obvious script that you're working to. And the boats are definitely not the problem that we have, even though you've influenced
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it, excuse the pun, but you seriously go on about the boats. Yeah, you know why I go on, Mike
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You know why I go on? You know why I go on
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Little nylon flags. You know why I go on about it, Mike? Because women are scared
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Because women who have asylum centres next to them are scared. Have you seen the statistics? I don't care about it. It's not about the statistics
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It's about what people feel. You've got the same chance of being sexually abused by a British man as you have from somebody
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coming over in the boat. Wow, is this coming from a man? Are you telling women that they have no right to be scared when
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illegal migrants at the house next to them. No, you put words into people's mouth. No, I don't put words
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No, I don't, Mike. I'll tell you why. Hang on. Mike, Mike, Mike, if you want to rant
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Mike, if you want to rant, if you want to rant, I suggest you leave a voice note
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If you want a two-way conversation, then you're going to have to let me speak. You don't give people a chance all night
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No, I don't. I would like to finish my conversation. No, no, no
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It's my show. We're going to have a conversation and I'm going to speak and then you're going to speak
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And I'll tell you why I inflate it. I inflate it because the people coming on the boats
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are a danger to this country and it's the duty of the government to stop it. Now you can have your bit
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What do you want to say? Well, there you go. He hung up
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There's different numbers out there, but approximately 200 plus thousand small boats have arrived
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between 2018, Theresa May. I don't think boats. I think it's people
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Oh, I'm sorry. I think so yeah office figures fewer than five percent of small boat arrivals as in the illegal immigrants who arrived on them um have been have been recorded as returned um by june 2026 so what my point
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i guess is that uh labor since they come came to since they you know formed their government
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they had this wonderful returns agreement that was going to solve the small boats crisis
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I mean, the one out, a thousand in, that one. Exactly, exactly, yeah. And how well has that gone
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It's actually ended. I think it's ended, yeah. I mean, I could have told them from the very beginning
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it wasn't going to work. It was never going to work. No, I couldn't see how it was going to work
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I thought, well, we'll give this a go for a laugh. But, I mean, they seem completely incompetent
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to actually negotiate a deal with France that would actually stop the boats
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It's not France's responsibility to stop the boats. It's up to us. It's our problem
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Look, I think it's going to be... The only government that I can see forming that could actually stop the boats
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is the reform government. And I'm not just biased. It's because I've actually read the policies of all the parties on this
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and I've researched everything to do with the small boats crisis as, you know, something I'm interested in
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because it's the knock-on effect, the effect of these, you know, these people living here
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It's just constant. It's just constantly people coming into our country that we're going to have to house
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we're going to have to pay for. They present a national security risk. They present a risk to women and girls
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and it's constant. And I don't understand how Andy Burnham can sit in his office and look at that and say we not going to do it We not going to stop it Well I mean just give us a proposal of what next I mean one agreement ended and there nothing out there
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No, I tell you what they're doing is they're saying everyone has to take their fair share, right
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So they're going to spread it across the country. And to be fair to them, they are taking action
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They're giving them leaflets to tell them that they can't have sex with children. I mean, by their very admission, these men are danger
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They are. And some of the Iranians who were coming across as well, you know, that pose a grave threat to people in this country
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And, you know, what number, you know, it's a national security threat, like Nigel's been saying for a long time
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And don't forget when he did say that they ridiculed him. And it's someone I saw recently that someone actually that there have been prosecutions already following people who have come across who have either been associated indirectly with the regime
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or directly. I want to be careful about what I say there
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I think there are 50 IRGC operatives. And listen, I prosecuted so many illegal migrants in London
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They get the full benefit of legal aid. And so many come here to commit crime
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and they commit lots of crime with lots of aliases. And it's a problem that needs to be dealt with
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And it's a problem, of course, we have our own criminals. I don't see why that excuse is more coming in illegally
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I can't see. This is my opinion. I can't see a French government ever doing business with Nigel Farage's government
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Well, it's already signed. He signed one with the Bardella and they are polling to win
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Well, that's, you know what I mean, that's on a wish. It's not on facts
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Well, actually, it's on paper and it's signed. Well, they've got to win first. You can't..
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A hundred percent they have to win No for sure But if polling anything to go by I mean they on track to win So it a hope that polls are right And the other way is
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It's a bit more than hope. It's an agreement. Well, you're hoping. You're hoping that they win
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Well, I hope relies on a subjective kind of wish. We're relying on the polls
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But the EU work as a collective bloc. So is France going to pull out of the EU
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I can't see that happening. And stop the boat. I think Labour's doing a good job
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They've almost asked, if not asked it, stop the boats is just words
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How are you going to stop them? Are you going to use lethal force? I can't see any British service people firing on..
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Back to reducing the boats. Do you accept that some of those coming on those boats
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are a national security threat? Absolutely. Okay, so fine, fine. We agree on that thing
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So does reducing them eliminate that threat? They've been in power. Labour's been in power for two years and have almost half been
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They haven't half been. Does reducing them, reducing the numbers, eliminate the threat that these men pose, national security threat
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Just a yes or no question. You're clutching us straws, Leila. I'm not
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I'm saying that you can reduce it all you want. And what benefit is that
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It does not eliminate the risk. I don't want to hear they've gone down from, you know, 50,000 to 40,000 to, I don't know, 33,000
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I want it stopped because every man that comes on there could be a national security risk
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The reform is hope that the French elections go the way you are
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And if they don't, or the EU, make a mandate. If you don't, we will have a huge deterrent and we will make it very uncomfortable for illegal migrants in this country that they'll stop coming
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Anyway, Robin, I've enjoyed jousting with you. It's been great. It's been fun
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