Google Business Profile with Tricia Clements
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Sep 28, 2022
We are going to talk about using Google Business Profiles with expert Tricia Clements. Some links that Tricia shared: https://support.google.com/business/answer/3038177 https://twitter.com/yourbizwatchdog/status/1572183560911462401 https://www.seroundtable.com/google-business-profile-photos-x-weeks-ago-34052.html https://yourbizwatchdog.com/ http://www.chatwithtricia.com/ http://zoomchatwithtricia.com/ (white label services chat) https://vcard.yourbizwatchdog.com/ https://yourbizwatchdog.com/services/white-label/
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welcome to the messaging matter show my name is Todd Jones I am your host
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and today I'm excited to have Trisha Clements and we're going to get into
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introduction of her and what she does in just a moment I see Rob has already said
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hey so hey Rob and also if you're in the chat room
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um go ahead and say hey which Rob has already done so I'm not sure if anybody
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else is here but if you are feel free to say hey and Rob is coming from Toronto Canada so I don't know if any if you are
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in the chat room and you want to say like where you're from that's fine um and we'll get going here with the
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interview in just a moment but I want to do a couple of housekeeping um
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I don't know housekeeping things wherever you however you might say it uh we have actually a couple of these shows
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left this year and possibly a third one but I'll let you know in the future but in October November I actually have them
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scheduled uh for once I got uh semi um
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organized I guess you might say anyway in October I have Maddie Osmond who's the author of writing for humans and
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robots the new rules of content style and the founder of blacksmith and that
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is October 18th and so we're going to come on and talk about her book talk about um really this the kind of things that
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are in her book so I have a physical copy at home as well as an e-copy uh it
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came out in July I kind of sort of peeped in in her little um launch party which was kind of
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virtual which is really cool I'm so happy for her anytime somebody uh creates a book or some kind of product
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is just a big accomplishment and so um and I'm looking forward to having her
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on talking about that November I have literally and I know I'm gonna say your name wrong but ubaha and she is a
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Content marker and we are uh follow we follow each other on Twitter and she
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made a Tweet back in the summer that I agreed strongly to and I pulled the Rob
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Karen's thing and said hey you want to talk about it on my show and she said sure why not so
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um we're gonna do that at a little different time it won't be 7 p.m because she lives in Nigeria and 7 P.M my time
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is like one or two o'clock in the morning there and I'm not doing that to her so we'll probably do it
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um mid to late morning here central time uh it should be right around the week of
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Thanksgiving uh American Thanksgiving so I'm excited about that we're basically
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her tweet was saying um when it comes to content quality not
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uh not uh quantity so I agree with her very strongly on that uh I'm gonna get
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around to talk about that pretty excited about that um and and then one other thing I wanted
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to say before we get started is this um well probably the last stream to the
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copy flight YouTube channel as I have created a new YouTube channel for
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um the messaging matter show thanks uh the ideal came to me from uh Joe casabana so uh we're gonna give that a
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shot and I wasn't able to get that set up in time for this for scheduling this particular show so hopefully next month
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we will be streaming to the new messaging matters YouTube channel so pretty excited about that kind of keep
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that separated from all the other copy flat stuff make it easier for people to find the shows uh we go back to I think
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April was our first one this year um and we missed last month but it's
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pretty much been every month and I've had some pretty good guests pretty excited about it
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um and now with Trisha it's all about Google business profile is that the
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correct way to say it that's the correct way to say it as of last November I
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believe it was uh it used to be my Google my business so if you're wondering what that if you Google my
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business that's what we're talking about Google business profile is the new name yeah so it was something before that
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wasn't it I think before that there was um was it Place Google Places I believe
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yeah it's doing several things um so and then that's why it can be confusing it's it can be very confusing
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and um so I had an issue earlier this year trying to help a client and she's
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someone who really wants to use her Google business profile I'm thrilled about that
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um we were dealing with some issues and I reached out to Trisha because we're friends in in a some mutual Facebook
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groups and I knew that she was an expert in Google business profile Google my business whatever they call it now and
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uh so she helped me out with that and um and I'm like well this would make a great uh discussion for the rest of the
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matter show uh you don't really think about it in terms of content marketing and copywriting but this is the way I
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think about this okay anybody in business especially if you are a brick and mortar business this local business
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that kind of thing but even anybody should probably have a Google business profile and it is it's part of that
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overall message that you have as a business so I think it's important to
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discuss the the platform and uh I have some questions and uh and
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um I think maybe some of these questions are the same so um before we get going though if you
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wouldn't mind telling us a little bit about yourself I know you were in Atlanta right now is that correct I'm in
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Atlanta yes I just came back here from Florida um so some just headed back just in time
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to to get away from the hurricane and I'm in Atlanta I've been in Atlanta since 95. so um and I started my
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business I'm trying to think when I think it was 2015. I have to remember to
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look back and remember uh and I tell you when I first started I was doing social media and one of the things that I
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noticed I pulled in and started doing for clients was Google Google at that time Google my business and then I was
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noticing how I was getting a more traction I felt with some of those what
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I was doing with Google my business and that's when I decided you know I prefer
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sticking to one thing instead of looking at all these different social media platforms so I decided to really focus
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on um that time Google my business now Google business profile and uh that's
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really what I do I do that for individual clients and I also do it white label for agency
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um okay and then name your business is your Biz Watchdog we have your uh yeah and one thing to to make clear
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is a big part of your local SEO strategy and um one thing is
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um like Todd was mentioning you know you really need to have that profile your Google business profile really does work
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well with your website in conjunction with it so having one and not the other
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um you know you're gonna do okay it's when they work together and you're really using them together is when
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you're going to see the maximum results yeah so you know I tell people if you
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want to get in this especially with people who are brick and mortar local uh if you want to be in the maps
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go ahead and get your Google business profile page set up because that will ensure now there's other things you can
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do to to boost your ranking within the maps uh we can talk about that a little bit later but
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um those are things that uh you know you're not going to be in the map at all now Google's pretty smart
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it won't pick up things without you actually you know requesting yes um
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especially if you're well maybe a well-known business but you can you can
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claim that profile if you will correct yeah yeah and that's the thing so I recommend it you know if you're if you
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you go on the map and there's no profile profile for your business or you're not managing your business
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um first before you set it up look and see if Google hasn't found one and set one up for you
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um if it has you need to claim that and go in and use that if there isn't one set one up
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okay go ahead I'm sorry one thing um I was going to mention is uh you know we're talking we're kind of saying you
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know um the businesses need to have their Google business profile um and there are some businesses that
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are not eligible for it um so that's one thing to Simply keep in mind um for example it's not meant for
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e-commerce businesses okay okay that's good no yeah and so at brick and mortar
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and then they're basically two two kind of categories as far as um well I don't want to say categories that's a whole
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different thing in Google business profile but you've got uh brick and mortar stores the physical stores and then you have what's called service area
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business you might see people shorten it Sab they're talking about service area businesses and those are basically uh
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local businesses that um that go either go to their customer or they meet with
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their customer they don't have that brick and mortar either physical store or office location you've got your
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landscapers your your mobile dog groomers um you know house cleaners what which is
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what my client does she she doesn't have a actual physical Place yeah yes so
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let's get into a couple of things since you already brought that up um the first one I wanted to get into
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and we made to come back to this was like I know there's a step you have to take when you actually claim it they
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just send you a postcard or they give you a call is that still how that works so there there's several different
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options that things are changing a little bit with that there is also now sometimes some it may have the option to
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do a video verification okay um I do um
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things are always changing with Google um that's something relatively new and
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some it depends on the category some don't have that option I just went in and set up a profile yesterday and that
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wasn't an option um so sometimes it's um phone number call or text sometimes it's postcard
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um sometimes it's video verification and uh I do recommend the video verification if that's an option I do think in the
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future um this is just me seeing what I think is going to happen is that you'll see more video
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verifications um being the preferred method for Google um what is that they take their phone
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and videotape themselves take your phone out and they um I for video verification
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I have not done one with the client um but basically there's a link and uh you're gonna click it and show Google
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hey you know I'm a real person um one of the things that um we'll we'll talk a lot about today um is spam on the
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map so these are um businesses out there that that don't don't exist and somebody's out there
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just trying to put things out whether it's lead gen whether it's just trying to gain the system and they're not real
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legitimate businesses so um what this the video verification does help decrease
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um the likelihood of one of those getting on the map okay so that's more about them reducing spam as much as
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anything yeah reminding that you know yes you are
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you are hopefully quicker because when you go through either the other options especially the mail and the postcard
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gets to you rather quickly but it takes two three four days at the early at the
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least to get there yeah and so maybe the video vacation would speed that up a little bit yeah I
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like the video verification in the in the phone the text if you're sitting there texting but then again you know
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that has as things you know you you put in you use a phone number for texting and you know Google can sometimes know
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that that's a good number for you however you know um the the best thing is video verification
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yeah okay so if you're now okay let's put ourselves on the shoes of a
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consultant or an agency and you know I have a client and maybe they're brick and mortar so there's no nothing unusual
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but they say hey can you set this up for do you recommend them to just do it for the client or is that is that a
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efficient way I said I typically like to go ahead from the beginning if they say
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we have nothing I like to typically say well let me go ahead and start from the beginning
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um the reason is you know a lot of people they'll look at it and say oh it's just easy just fill out the information and you're done
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um however Google has a few quite a few nuances in there and you know if you're just saying
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well I'm not sure what Google means I'll just put something in for it for one of the options you know you could be uh
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harming your something in the future on your profile um a lot of times businesses will put
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things in not quite understand how things work with Google and then end up getting their account suspended I
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actually at the very beginning of covid had a business come to me they're a brick and mortar store and she was
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trying to get her um her business set up on Google she uh didn't understand it
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she made a really big mess and basically got suspended we could not get it
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handled because at the very beginning because of covid you know everything shut down so
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um there was no way to reach out to support and get it then um get it done right then we had to wait
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until support came back now once support came back we were able to get it I was able to help her get it reinstated get
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going that's the thing that if she had come to me at the beginning she wouldn't have had that problem
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um that that is a little bit um some businesses have that issue and and some don't
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um but a lot of times too service area businesses tend to have it a little bit more
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um than brick and mortar as far as um working on answering all the questions so so you do you think it is something
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that actually could be done by the consultant with input from the business
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I guess um yeah I I personally if they don't have anything I prefer to do it myself
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to know that the information is in there and and correct and I've done it right the first time every time you go into
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Google especially the tab that has a name address phone number website and
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make changes you have a risk at getting your account suspended right now
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to for reinstatement it is taking three weeks for Google to get back that's three weeks that your business
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um it it depends you could um let's say you've got a bad review you can't reply to that review during that time period
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when your account suspended um and that's why I really recommend they have somebody who um an expert
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that's that knows how what to put in there um especially the way I do it is when I
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do my monthly management my first month is my optimization audit optimization
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all of that and if they don't have the profile I would do the setup so um so so that would all be the first
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month that's not a question on my list but like what goes into a monthly management
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of Google business profile sure there's a
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there's an images weekly post keeping up with the new features the new attributes
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and um looking at reviews making sure they're properly responded to and um
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doing um basically kind of a Spam extermination on the map just looking in
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and making sure that a competitor is not ranking ahead of you because they're using spammy tactics that are against
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the guidelines all of those different things um they're looking at Q a
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um there's there's a big long list it changes
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um based on what's going on with um with Google because uh I'll tell you that I I
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typically do like to do at least one post a week for my clients and um that's
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something that has been recommended for a while and I know some people haven't done those posts the weekly well just
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recently and um I I don't know for some reason it won't let me um add to the chat uh a link or anything
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but I sent you a list of things Todd's emailed but uh if you don't get it we'll post it um the is it an email an email
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I'm sorry in an email you did I did yeah and that so um there's a link to a
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Twitter thing I just sent it a few minutes ago and uh basically one of the things like their new features all the
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time and there was one that I noticed um I think it was just about a little over a week ago on on Google and I was
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looking and this was on mobile phone looking at a Google business profile and at the very top it had the
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pictures at the top well then all of a sudden right there highlighted was the most recent post
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and usually posts are a bit further down so this is a new thing that they're probably testing tweaking trying to
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figure out I went to other profiles and um yeah it's um yeah you can do the one
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that says Twitter and then also um it was mentioned in the SEO Roundtable after I tweeted about it
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um I say that yeah I think that's what that is um they all just got um yeah yeah
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and but that's something that's showing that that Google is emphasizing posts
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and I looked at profiles to see you know well how recent does it have to be
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because I was looking at some and they were basically um you know months old and they weren't coming up I saw one that was two and a
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half weeks old and it wasn't showing up Isis is somewhere between one to two and
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a half weeks somewhere in there is how new your post has to be for it to show up and you can click on that Twitter
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link to see where I talk to about it I have a screenshot there also the SEO Roundtable link so
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um basically that's Google they're showing the posts are still important sometimes people say well my posts they
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they're not getting clicked on they're not getting this or that one thing is that post will go
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um and and are really a um conversion factor you know people look and see the
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posts if you're you've got good posts on there they can also come up in justification those are when people are
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searching and parts of it are highlighted uh and they'll show that in there this is why
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Google showed you this specific result so um so those are definite things you
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can see that Google is emphasizing posts also images one of the new things is
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Google puts on there how how long ago the an image was specifically posted uh
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so you know okay this is a recent one from a week ago this one wasn't like you know five years old so one thing I
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learned with my own client was you you don't need to you know I don't need to
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treat Google business profile like Facebook and it comes to picture you know posting and I understand why she
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wants to do that but yeah you um so you can post like pictures so one thing is
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is for the pictures you've got to put like for example your cleaner um the the cleaning um individual house
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cleaner she wants to not just do before and after but she wants a picture have
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somebody take a picture of her doing the work yeah and she's got people's homes
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right she needs to make sure she puts pictures of herself on there um and those those are our pictures
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they're two different things I'm talking about so I don't want to get people confused there's pictures that you add
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and there's just the pictures and then there are posts the posts can have the image some text
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um a link and phone number a link and or phone number and those the links in our phone numbers cannot go go in the text
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there's a when you do a post there's like a call to action button if you say
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call now it will pull in your your phone number from your Google business profile or you can say
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um either it depends there's like learn more by now sign up things like that and that's when you where you put your link
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you don't want to put your phone number or a link in the text for your post you
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could get your account um Google doesn't like it and you could have issues yeah and and we talked about
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they didn't care much for before and after pictures yeah and that's the so there are a lot
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of things that it's like you know well um well Trisha how do you know you know I I can't find where Google is not
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allowing this XYZ and some of that is really the fact that um you know I keep
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on top of things talk with others in the industry find out what they're seeing and that's kind of the whole thing you
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know like I posted that on Twitter where I was seeing the post others saw it and
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um so now they're telling their clients that so it's kind of you know finding out what others are seeing a lot of these things that happens Google they
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won't come out and say this is what's happening you know or if they do maybe it's a long time from now
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um so yeah Google is It's Not Unusual for Google to not exactly tell you
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everything I mean I'm in I'm in enough SEO circles I don't consider myself an SEO expert but I listen to a few people
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here and there and and they do extensive research because they have a lot of clients and they see a pattern and like
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this is not what they're saying but this is what they're doing and so you I get
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that from uh in their in all these platforms have their degree of that right just like Facebook you know yeah I
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go in okay I help run a local group that's called geek breakfast
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um don't ask me how I got into that I wasn't even a leader when it's when I started doing somehow or another I ended
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up leading it but I go into the Facebook page today to share the event which is
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Thursday morning because I had talked to two or three people in the last couple days like oh yeah it's this week I need to go you know share and buy Jazz I go
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in there and they updated to the new experience since I was last in there
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love that now most of the other Facebook pages I'm in have already been updated with that
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and it just it just threw me for a loop like I just want to go in and invite and
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share and I have to go through all these troops and so Facebook does it Twitter
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is probably a little more subtle with some of their changes yeah LinkedIn doesn't do them as often but they do
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them once in a while so yeah all these platforms and that's the danger of playing on these platforms
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and only exclusively absolutely that that's one of my things that I tell people all the time and I think I have
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it on my my website on my about page it's like um you've got businesses you have to own own your your stuff I think
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I have a a picture as own you're and then a poop emoji you've got to own your your business so
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um just because um you really need you've got to have your Google business profile doesn't mean you shouldn't have your website you
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you've got to have that website you've gotta that's where you own your content um
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you don't own them I'll say this you could probably especially if you're
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a local business whatever you could probably get by without having a Facebook a Twitter or even a LinkedIn
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but you probably cannot get by without having to get Google business profile or it could whatever it's called I mean
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that is that is almost as necessary as a website and email list yeah um they go
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hand in hand yeah but uh yeah and I think the yeah the in Rob's right these are perfect
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traffic sources by the way uh Kim Ortiz said hi to you earlier I don't know yeah
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I saw Kim hi Kim so um at least we have a couple people
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hanging around so anyway um so yeah that's uh it's very important
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part of your your your whole system and I try to put all those links in one by one the first time I lumped them
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together and didn't turn out too well so that's okay uh one of them I know I saw was the link to the Google guidelines
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that's really important to have that link um and look at the different things if
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you have questions on it uh and I know I've got the link to the Twitter that I talked about that post
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um my link um and then I've got like some a chat with Trisha that's like for a 15 minute chat with me and then the
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zoom chat that's that's basically for agencies who have questions about my white label Services yeah so and I think
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you know any agency who's doing because agencies typically do
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almost everything especially smaller agencies for you know some of my friends
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that I hang out with are or agency owners I mean they're not like big agencies but they're like a one or two
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man shop deal but they do all this stuff for their clients and I mean one of my friends I noticed does setups for Google
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business profile I don't know if the advantages but he does do setup so yeah um it's uh but it's interesting you
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talked about using the post feature which I hadn't thought about it might be a better option for my cleaning friend
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than just sending pictures that's the easy thing but I would do both I
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um I you know that's that's what I do for my clients I would do both of them but you would do more posts and actual
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pictures correct um not necessarily I would say um posts
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aren't like like when you think of Facebook it's like oh you gotta do this many posts a week or today or whatever
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on Google um I would say you know one post a week is fine okay
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um and um for images you know I I like to do around at least 10 a
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month of images so yeah maybe a little more images than posts and now if you have a brick and mortar you are supposed
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to put a picture of your place of business up right your storefront those are yes you um
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sure I don't know I haven't seen where they like really have required it but you should um think of a brick and mortar you're
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going to have people coming to your office you want to have a recent photo of somebody's a little bit lost where am I going oh here's what it looks like
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um so that's all that that's just customer experience um I would even I was even understood
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that having a picture of your business with your logo somehow is a something
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that's very important yes yes include including your logo having all that on there is extremely important
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cool beats I don't mean I have a office but it's not really a place I receive people so well and so that's
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um probably and we we took mentioned earlier service area business um so those those of us like um that are
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just like both you and I Todd we have service area businesses people don't come into like my my I have a home
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office people don't come into my home office to see me I don't have signs outside right so I have to verify it with my
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home address and basically tell Google that people don't come to see me not to
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show my address and that's one of the big thing Place big areas that people
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get into trouble with um are the service area businesses uh
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they'll think that they have to have the pin on the map and so they'll go set it up at a UPS store at our Regents
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um thing those are going to get you into trouble and one thing to keep in mind is
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I shared the link with the Google business profile um uh guidelines
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um having a UPS store is not allowed will you find people at UPS Stores yes
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you will um but that's not allowed and just because they have it now doesn't mean
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that they're not going to get suspended in the future keeping with that I think yeah Google goes back and finds stuff
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later or they catch something later that they have them in the kitchen well um and Google that's one thing like your
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your address that you um verify your business with that's the address that
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they put as the center of your your location so one of the things on um as far as as you know SEO getting found
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there um for in the search is proximity to your location so if you're trying to
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get um business from Clear across town that's one of the things Google focuses
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on where you are where you verified your business yeah so what if you're uh a remote
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business like you and I but I'm sure not everybody you do business with is in the southeast part of the states or in
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Atlanta yeah I mean like I had I'm working with a client right now in Toronto I have another one who lives in
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Florida I mean sure you know so basically we we are allowed there are a couple of things
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um that you look at that make us um allowed is that number one there is
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something in there a category that we fall under um so you so that's kind of like a first
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um key point there the other one is that um we even though we don't see all of
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our all of our clients aren't here a lot of businesses like ours start out local and do have local clients and we might
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go out and meet them so that makes us uh eligible for it um so what is that
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category that you were saying that so so for example I think on mine I have I
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think I have internet marketing service so I think is what mine is um I need to go back and look don't you
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love it it's like I have all these things and I'm like I'm not sure I need I always check my clients categories
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because they're always new categories being added to Google and I need to go back in and check my own and see if it's
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the best category and see if there's anything new I need to add for the
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typical web agency uh a digital marketing company whatever would they be better under internet marketing
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um either so it depends if they they primarily do web design it'll be like um web developer I think is the the one
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category and that's the thing you can you don't just say oh this is what I do Google you get you pick from what Google
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has to offer and that's on a lot of different things in Google you can't just say I'm like oh well I do Google
31:22
business profile management I I pick from what Google offers and um it's that
31:28
is one thing that some businesses you know there's unique businesses and that don't quite fall into some of these even
31:33
they have like whether they're service area or brick and mortar so they have to find the closest thing for them so yeah
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um you mentioned e-commerce not being something that would be useful for well
31:45
so they're not
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supposed to have um a Google business profile there specifically Google was uh
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business profiles are really uh started based on the map and it's for local SEO
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and they look at a pure e-commerce store as not eligible because it doesn't have
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that local functionality with it okay so if you're a brick and mortar but you also have an e-commerce website you
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would still follow yeah you would have because you're brick and mortar yeah I mean sometimes in e-commerce is
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changing rapidly as well I know people who do content marketing copywriting for e-commerce and d2c that's direct to
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Consumer and I always struggle about what the difference between the two are but anyway
32:31
um that's changing a lot and you could have someone who literally starts a e-commerce store in the Conway Arkansas
32:39
Area and they really only Service central Arkansas would they still not be
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a good Google business profile so if they're purely only e-commerce know
32:51
however if they've got at all their local customers there um I would say you know well what else
32:57
do they do they meet with their customers and have some other type of service that makes them so local shocks
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or something like that yeah if they do like more I'm I'm thinking if they're servicing a
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local thing maybe they've got Consulting that Consulting and then you buy a product online I you know it really
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depends a lot on the specific um yeah so and I guess the first question
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um how a service business based business like what we've been talking about for probably the last 15 minutes you can
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take advantage of Google business profile you've kind of answered that um a couple one thing I do want to
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mention I I mentioned that you can't use like UPS Store no Regents
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um no let's see um co-working spaces now that one
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there's some exceptions to the co-working spaces um you you've got to have you know your
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signage you have to have an office there that's yours it's not shared space your employees need to go there during office
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hours you have to have somebody there all the time that you pay not like somebody sitting in a front desk that
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answers everyone's phone there's a lot of different things like that um and and I'll tell you that Google has
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gone through and seen where a bunch of businesses were outrageous and suspended every single one in that location
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so um I will say that if you because I know there are co-working spaces that do have
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um individual spaces like that would be eligible individual they've got that that's their space they run it nobody
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one else does they have an office they have their own phone there they have signage all that the employees and
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everything um it's a little unusual not many do it but there are some I would say that
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um they are more likely to kind of have trouble in the future with their profile simply because of the address and most
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are not allowed to be there so I one thing I would say is if you're a business and you're looking to have an
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office and you're looking at a co-working space I would see if there's something comparable near because uh
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that's not a co-working space because you would probably have some issues running into problems with Google
35:13
um thinking that you're should not have that address at a co-working space well okay that brings
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up another question because okay we have a couple co-work spaces in
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town they have different membership levels because the cheapest one is a is a kind of a for the day you claim that
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spot whatever the more expensive ones you actually have dedicated space obviously um some of them are private offices and
35:40
some of them are more of a space um but like the building I'm in is an office building it's an old office
35:47
building but there's probably 13 offices in this one building so there's a low there's an address 809 Parkway but then
35:55
there's a suite number how is that different from a co-work space so the
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the co-working space a lot of the co-working spaces like you said is like you won't have your individual space
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people go in and out of that like they've got desks and people will rent the desk for an hour or a day or
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something like that um and the other thing is is that it needs to have your permanent signage
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um You Can't Take tape a piece of paper on the door and say this is my Loco um that has been tried I will tell you
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okay um permanent signage um and again your payment either you the
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owner your paid employees there working during office hours your own phone line that comes in there where your um office
36:36
is that doesn't work well with like a solo business though a what now so low business well
36:45
so and that's where you would probably have your
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could you just be if you were because a lot of people who do co-work spaces are basically service area top businesses
36:58
anyway yeah could you set it up that way and yeah I would tell them to set it up as a service area business do not try to
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get the pin on the map at a co-working space um you want to be a service area business and not show your address on
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the map and you don't want to verify it at that co-working space because even though uh the public can't see that
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address Google knows where you verified and that could get you in trouble so if you were going to verify and you
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don't verify at the co-work space how would you verify your your address your home address okay so they send it to you
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there yeah but as a service area business you can do that yes
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yes because you're telling you tell at my house
37:46
so okay um um wow you you've plowed through most of
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the questions I had about that you mentioned one thing uh that comes up virtual offices basically and I think
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that's kind of what we were talking about where they run an address and this is what Google terms that I'm reading
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this is specifically what I've pulled off earlier to make sure I said exactly what Google says virtual offices aren't
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allowed virtual offices where you rent the address but you don't operate out of
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the location that's considered a virtual office and you cannot um cannot use that for it would be the same with the UPS
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store or something yeah similar but some sometimes I will tell you like the co-working spaces and several years ago
38:31
I had I went in um I I know I saw a Facebook ad for a co-working space that
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I knew the co-working stress I knew what it was and it said sign up for a mailbox
38:42
here and you can use us for your Google business profile I knew the people running it I sent them an email I was
38:49
like please first stop that ad you're gonna you're gonna get your clients in trouble with Google and then your clients are gonna be happy with you so
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um so yeah sorry did they listen to you yes yes
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oh we didn't know that and
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that's not how you do it so the pin on the map is really for Brick
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and Mortar business yeah if you're a business office anything like that where you have a physical location customers
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come to you you have your um your employees there during office hours you've got your
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um permanent signage so now let me ask you this me I'm a service area business I guess and I
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actually kind of operate two things out of here but do I need to have my a permanent signage in here
39:41
or is that not a big deal um not your permanent so if you you're not showing your address is that correct
39:48
honestly I don't know I mean I will be making an audit of my Google business what I've done Todd is going to go check
39:55
his Google Business exactly yeah and um definitely if you're if that's a place
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you don't um have permanent signage um if you don't have like specific hours
40:07
that you're there and um and that you're there during those
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hours um I would say remove your address yeah okay I will definitely be doing an audit of I
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think I've got two of them because one is a is a local media company
40:26
um because I do uh hyper local media uh site and um that can probably be a
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service area as well I mean I have yeah it it probably both of them probably should be server Services one
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thing that I will tell you is um you know we're taught I'm not quite familiar with your office setup
40:46
um is that office solely yours that you rent or do other people rent no challenge I mean it's a building this is
40:53
my private office yeah your spot yeah that's what I mean that's one of the things um Google does when you um have
40:59
your address that you're using to verify it needs to be an address that you basically control whether you own or
41:05
rent it so that's space there and I uh I was across the hall when I did it before
41:11
so I really need to check till that because I've moved across the hall since then
41:17
um you need to control that address and then um it also needs to be the address
41:22
that you're showing on on other different things um like let's say the Secretary of State
41:29
um all of that okay very good this is uh this is helpful yeah and so that this is one of
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the day well we saw that we're just talking about the
41:45
address and we've talked for 10 minutes or so on just the address that you put in
41:50
yeah yeah okay and that's something that could get your account suspended and right now Google is three weeks behind
41:57
on um processing those reinstatements so uh you don't want to get it suspended
42:04
and if you get it suspended you want to have your your paperwork and your ducks in a row to be able to get it reinstated
42:10
quickly and quickly is waiting three weeks for Google to get back to you but but
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you want to have that um the good I have always said that uh if you have an issue
42:23
um at least Google will get back to you some of the others that is true
42:33
it's reinstall fixed services and
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um Google will get back to you um you'll get an automated response and and then saying that they're going to get back to
42:44
you and however if you don't provide them with the information that they need
42:51
and they will not tell you what it is they need um you are are not going to get
42:57
reinstated it's a trap um so and but I I've had success because
43:02
of how I focus Google my visit Google business profile oops uh is what I focus
43:08
on and I've done so much so many reinstatements I know what Google wants and so it's a lot easier and before they
43:17
had this three a week um backup backlog um you know I've gotten things
43:23
reinstated within a day a couple of days you know um but now you're just waiting so but
43:28
that's the thing a lot of times businesses they they look they kind of read through the standard reply that
43:35
Google sends them and they say well I'm compliant and then I start talking to them and asking them questions and I'm
43:41
like no I know Google needs more information and I know why you got
43:46
suspended and you need you know we need to get them more information and what
43:52
you requested to get reinstated is not sufficient for Google and businesses get frustrated because
43:58
they say well I don't see this anywhere in the documentation well Google doesn't put all that in the documentation and
44:05
part of the reason is because just like everything else you've got Bad actors out there and if they tell you
44:11
specifically everything they want then the spammers out there will know and then they can go in and and they'll
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they'll they'll figure everything out and they'll find ways around it and um and I'll tell you a lot of the different
44:23
you know updates when there are things in the guidelines that they update a lot of it is because businesses have um The
44:30
Bad actors have found ways around it to act like they're legitimate business when
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um maybe they're not so it that just uh that brings up
44:41
another question and that I don't know have time to go into but you know is that a service because there can be so
44:48
much to it is it a service that another type of Service Agency digital agency
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marketing agencies should add to their portfolio because it is so dish niched
45:00
and specialized yeah absolutely and you know with that my monthly management and
45:05
my Fix-It stuff I do that white label I have I get referred um
45:10
from a lot of uh agencies who you know my client got their Google business profile suspended you know we need help
45:17
um and so and yes so definitely um and and that's what I'll say I have had success in getting
45:24
reinstatements because I worked with them and done them for so much I know really what Google's looking for
45:31
um if you don't have that experience um I will say that you know it takes it
45:36
takes a while to figure out what you know what I've been doing this for for quite a while and and focus on it so if
45:42
you're doing so many other things it can be hard to figure out and know exactly specifically what Google wants what
45:48
they're looking for um and it might be better time spent to to to Outsource it you know I can
45:55
definitely help them with that white label so yeah so if you uh if you're an
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agency owner listening to this or a consultant of some kind and you know that's not your Arab expertise you want
46:08
to just white label it that's a really probably a smart way to go
46:13
and that way you don't man when and that's the next question really and you've gone over some of these to begin
46:18
with OR but let's talk about some mistakes that business owners tend to make on Google business profile you've
46:25
already mentioned a few of them one of them is the address and yeah you know some of those things I think that's one
46:31
of the main that one of the main um too and we've kind of talked a little bit about them both of them um first the address
46:37
um getting that wrong and I've heard some service area businesses think that
46:43
they they can't have a Google business profile they've got to somehow get around the system to show an address and
46:51
and that's not the case so um so definitely we went over the address the other thing is with reinstatements that
46:58
we just talked about um you know businesses they they get suspended they then they get frustrated
47:06
which I completely understand um but I'll tell you that if you get
47:11
frustrated with Google and you you try to tell Google how things are
47:16
Google's just gonna not care um so you know why while you know I can
47:22
emphasize um really kind of you know I feel it feel for you I can help you
47:27
Google is is really going to just be like oh well you know that's one of the things some businesses will say I've
47:33
been in business for for 10 years for 20 years you know I don't understand why my account's suspended and when you go and
47:40
you talk with Google about those things Google doesn't care about that they want
47:45
the information that they want they're not going to tell you what that is and that can be very frustrating for
47:51
businesses um so and that's what one thing that that helps you know I can take a step
47:57
back away from the business and say okay this is what Google wants let's get this paperwork together and get it submitted
48:03
and um where when it's your business and you're having this because a lot of times these businesses they will see a
48:11
significant drop in um in all of the their conversions getting people the calls the the contact
48:18
forms all that if their profile suspended so um so yeah it's definitely
48:25
um they definitely want to get it get it worked on and it can be very stressful for him yeah it sounds like
48:31
one mistake is not turning to a trusted expert to to help sort through all that
48:36
and and just trying to shake your fish say Google and just like we'd like to do with Facebook and other places and
48:44
frankly they just Shrugged whatever you know yeah but at least Google will get back to you they will get back to you
48:55
or um they you know nine times out of ten you got to have a positive response and
49:01
get reinstated last question and and we I can't believe going 50 minutes really
49:07
just about and um they're so good though um the last question is
49:13
um what can we expect from a Google business profile in the next five years and I guess this is probably your just your best uh estimation so
49:22
um that's the thing in the next five years who knows where it's gonna go um but you know in the last
49:28
um two and a half years since covid there have been so many so many changes and
49:34
um basically oh you know there's so many added features we're going to continue to see new features added features on
49:41
there some of the things um for example you know
49:46
describing the the business owner you've got things in there that you can select and uh one of them is identifies as
49:53
veteran owned well you know for a long time I think that was one of the first ones now they've got tons of them you
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know they've got women owned lgbtq um they recently added um identifies as Agent Owned those are
50:07
things that just because I go in there all the time I notice them and I'm like oh this is something new let me contact
50:13
my client um and let's get this added if it applies um all the different features different
50:20
categories those are just things that we're just going to see more and more of um one thing I do think recently with
50:27
the um different things we've seen with posts and images I think Google's doing a lot more with them and and that's been
50:35
happening over the last couple of years you know um just different Google likes photos
50:40
and and can read what's in the photo and and so you definitely need to be posting
50:46
those photos that's one of the things I try to emphasize because it's hard to really get those images out of the
50:52
businesses um and when you post photos on your profile
50:57
um Google does not allow stock photos on those on adding uh photos to your
51:02
profile so definitely um don't do that there are other things that Google doesn't want them to be um
51:09
blurry and out of focus so so yeah if you're a service area business
51:15
um or like a consultant you know obviously if you're a clean you know somebody's doing cleaning you can take a
51:22
picture of your employee or yourself doing you know that yeah at home that's fine but but you know like your typical
51:27
your typical consultant what kind of photos would you be putting in there and this is I'm going back to another one
51:33
I've got
51:38
so one of the things I do for that that I have on my to-do list for myself is
51:43
all these pictures I went to work campus um a couple weeks ago right I've been to
51:48
lots of different conferences I've spoke at lots of different conferences I've got pictures of myself I was speaking
51:55
with other um people in the industry I need to put that up on my my Google
52:00
business profile um you know things like that um yeah well I went out to uh WordPress
52:07
um Work Camp us and I had got my selfie with um Matt mullenlug and I'm like well geez I needed on there so so I put a
52:17
picture of of this video online oh okay um you can put this in um
52:24
now sometimes when you add photos it'll allow you to add a caption and I think
52:30
you need to go on your your mobile phone I I do so many different um things with
52:35
with profiles and I I do reviews for other businesses because I know it helps them out when I do reviews of course
52:41
sometimes if I don't get good service then they don't like my review but when I've added images sometimes
52:48
um it does sometimes allow you to add a caption to it so you could um put on their you know messaging matters
52:55
um and all on there and there's another thing a lot of one um do have a client that wants to make
53:01
sure photos that they add have their logo so that you know people just can't take and use it and anyhow anyway it
53:08
works out people could probably steal photos but they're it's it's not Google
53:14
doesn't like it and and I wouldn't want to get caught by Google so don't do it but some businesses want to put their
53:19
logo on it and there is um something and I can't remember the percentage I want to say it can't take up more than 10
53:26
percent definitely look that up because I off the top of my head I don't know that that's the exact correct amount
53:32
um but Google allows you to put that but they have a specific thing you it can't be over a certain percentage
53:38
um on the photo so so definitely if you're going to do things like that any editing definitely go in I guess I could
53:44
do like a post and with a picture screenshot and and say messaging matter shows with
53:51
Tricia Clements and then the call to action could be a link to the actual video yeah that could be a post and for
53:57
posts they um Google is a little bit it more lenient as far as stock photos I
54:03
tell my clients try not to use a stock photo for post you know you've got four
54:09
a month um four or five a month so um try to get your own photos in there
54:16
um if not you know you can hear and there use a stock photo for posts now when you're uploading just images to the
54:23
profile those cannot be stock photos so I want to make sure people understand there's a difference in photos and posts
54:30
there's okay so your pictures could be like if
54:36
you've gone to a conference what if you haven't gone to a concert in three years [Laughter]
54:41
and that was the thing with coven yeah it's like I've been out to conferences I have all these photos um so I definitely want to put it up on
54:47
there so um yeah you know that's kind of the hard part um with businesses like ours we don't have as many photos but
54:54
then again when you look at your competition did they have many photos um and if they don't have any or two if
55:02
you put 10 to 15 you're gonna look better than theirs so you know that's another thing too is looking at your
55:09
your competition and also um your local area what what everyone else is doing so so the first thing is
55:16
do better than than all your surrounding competition and then from there get better so um I don't want to do the same
55:22
thing everybody else is doing for sure I might have to do an audit of mine Kim had a question looks like Kim had a
55:27
question here so I've recently had reviews that didn't post publicly on my profile but my readers see it on the end
55:35
as posted profile is not suspended everything's up to date any recommendations yes so this is about
55:42
reviews so we'll tell you um earlier this year Google
55:47
um really strengthened their review filter and this is again some Bad actors
55:54
that are causing legit reviews to not go live and
56:00
um basically there are several different ways um the one that Kim is saying is that so let's say someone leaves her
56:06
client a review their customer that left the review sees it but I go on to look at it outside I
56:14
don't see it her client doesn't see it on their business that's one of the things that happens with that um Kim
56:21
um you can reach out to me and and um and I'll I'll check in with you but the first and this is part the thing that
56:28
really makes this hard is that the first thing is if the client wants to pursue it they have to reach out to their
56:34
customer and ask them to screenshot it and send it to them and it depends on if
56:40
they've got that type of relationship with their customer um it sounds like they know that they got left the review but um but they
56:47
can't see it so they're talking with the customer so it might be one of these things you know please do me a favor and
56:52
screenshot it and then what you'll do is send that off to Google and tell them you know the review is not live
56:59
um now as far as success rate with that I don't know I don't know um if there
57:05
are any you know percentages available on how what the success is a lot of
57:10
times Google does want to see like um if you're just having an issue with one review not posting Google takes that as
57:18
well it's working how it's supposed to and as a small business that's very frustrating if you know that that's your
57:24
client and and they wrote that review for you um that's frustrating um but they're looking at it as you know
57:31
well you know we've got these filters in place and and you know maybe we picked up something we didn't like so so we we
57:37
filtered them out um and so I'll say if you have like a a group of a larger group of them that
57:44
didn't go live um or that aren't live on the map those are ones you may have more success getting all of that information
57:52
um and let's see if I can read her response she says um she tried that but didn't
57:58
get a response from Google um send me an email Kim and we'll see what we can do um I I with with the
58:04
reviews like that they are very hard um to get um a good resolution from but
58:10
is something we can definitely try very likely something I'd come across so I'm glad she asked a question well um I I've
58:17
had that before and the other thing is so um I've I've had reviews that didn't
58:23
publish and I I could see that I saw it but then when I logged out I couldn't see the review
58:29
um sometimes you know I would tell them to um maybe even before if you've got a
58:35
good relationship with that customer and they want to help you out tell them you know well first go in and and and copy
58:41
your text from that um review and and keep it somewhere and then erase it and
58:47
only leave the star and then leave it like that and see if the star the like let's say I'm assuming they left him a
58:54
five-star review see if that goes live if it does then go back and have them
58:59
edit it um they can also try adding an image to it those are some things they might want
59:06
to try because like I said Google you know your it's just kind of thrown a dart weather
59:12
or not you're going to get Google to to add that back in there are lots of
59:17
different um different types of things that's one of the ones um that issues that people
59:24
have with the review filter there are other things that um that are being found for example like let's say
59:30
somebody leaves a review you see it up there looks great and then like after a while you look and it's gone
59:37
um those are um issues that you know were Google's taking them down and um those are things
59:43
you can contact Google and see if they'll if it's a legit review um ask them to
59:48
um to post it back now I know this is frustrating for those of us getting these legitimate reviews and I'll tell
59:54
you again it's the Bad actors that are buying these reviews um and uh and getting uh people to to
1:00:03
leave the reviews that aren't their clients um those are what Google's trying to to
1:00:08
filter out also incentivized reviews are not allowed um so you they're looking for those as
1:00:15
well and I'll tell you if Google catches you doing something like having paid
1:00:21
reviews um in incentivized reviews they and they know like that you've done
1:00:29
it they could go in and take not only the reviews you got let's say you implemented a new policy and you were
1:00:35
were doing this and and buying reviews they could not only go and take down all those reviews they could go and take
1:00:42
other reviews that maybe you had that were legit and take those as well and
1:00:48
and they're on the platform Google's platform you don't own those
1:00:55
you can ask people to leave a review yes but you just can't give them a case of
1:01:00
beer for doing it yeah exactly um and those are things too that um not
1:01:06
only is it Google but those are things that FTC um doesn't like that as well
1:01:12
um and and that's um I I want to say um I can't remember the
1:01:18
the name of it but basically wanting to have um what is it the fair
1:01:23
something in advertising and yeah yeah and and so if if anyone pays for um for
1:01:31
a testimonial or something that um he wants you to reflect and show that this
1:01:36
was a paid um testimonial yeah if you ever watch a TV commercial or something like that as a review and they'll say
1:01:42
these they'll either say sometimes they'll say they were paid and sometimes they'll say they were not paid so yeah
1:01:48
and and those are two to comply with the FTC and the thing is is that um Google
1:01:54
does not allow any type of paid or incentivized reviews so you can't say oh I'll give you this you can just note on
1:02:01
the review that you you received whatever it was you can't do that you're going to get in trouble with Google
1:02:06
um the FTC says you know if you do a paid review that you have to show it so you can't do that on Google so
1:02:14
okay yeah yeah just yeah we could probably spend two
1:02:20
hours on all this yeah incredible it's been days talking about this and still
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probably wouldn't get through everything but yeah well I got way more than I
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expected but that's very good I mean I think it's uh I think we had people to
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hang around for most of the the hour which tells you that the conversation was worth listening to and I knew you're
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the right person to do this with so thank you but it's an overall part of your message is you know not just we we
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talk about having a website having an email a market you know email list and all this other stuff but uh just uh your
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overall messaging Google business profile is an important part of that so
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um thanks for coming on um before I let you go before we shut this down
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um tell people where they can find you I know we have links in the chat and I'll put them in the the uh the show notes as
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well but in your your watchdog.com is one of them so yourbizwatchdog.com that's my primary
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webs that's my website where you can go and um
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if you're looking for um to to chat with me if you've got questions also
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um if you are an agency and you're looking for information on my white label um you can sign up for a chat there that
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is zoom chat with trisha.com um and you can go there or just send me
1:03:45
a message and we'll set something up if you don't get that just go to my contact page on your bizwatchdog.com and get in
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touch yeah and if you're you know anytime
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you're an agency and you have the opportunity to add another service that you don't have that you don't want label
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out to I mean we have a lot of people I work with a lot of people who do web maintenance and actually we do a survey
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every year through awp or well we started last year and I asked like some of the things and so some of the HC
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people will do SEO email uh marketing setup those kinds of things this is
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something that they can add and and just white label it to you and they don't
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have to actually it's absolutely it adds that recurring revenue and also you know
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once you you've built the website you're you're doing the maintenance um the next step is to to then get that
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website out there and in front of people um through SEO and this is local SEO
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working um with their clients so yeah you should get a line item at uh local SEO
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yes yeah yeah very good thanks for coming on Trish sure thank you Todd
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thanks so much for having me all right guys um be sure to go yourbiz watchdog.com
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and check out our website if you're interested in white label the uh URL is
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zoom chat with trisha.com uh if you are somebody who's running an agency or a
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consultant and would like to add that to your portfolio and you want let Trisha handle it that is the way to go the
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train is coming I don't know if you guys can hear that I heard it oh yeah it gets
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kind of loud we went at the first part of the show and I thought I muted myself and then here it is again so anyway
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thanks for watching the messaging matter shows we uh be sure to come back next month uh I think it's October 18th we
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got Medi Maddie Osmond on there and I'm looking forward to that
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thanks so much
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