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Join me on this livestream as we take inventory of our wire sizes and components going in to our blue sea systems 12v fuse panel. We will organize a list by operating amps, recommended fuse size and finaly coss referencing it with our pulled wire size. This is our final check before sealing up the floor and moving on the the next steps of the van build!
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thank you [Music]
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thank you hey guys welcome back to the live stream tonight we're talking about uh we're
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beginning the electrical part of this uh fan build and what I wanted to do is
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begin by starting with um
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wire sizing so we went ahead and uh let me back up here if you guys are just
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joining us on this part we are building a Ford Transit van and we have already put in the base flooring which is the
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insulation the next part that we're working on is putting in the wood panels
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that we've finished modifying and trimming up to size so they're ready to go actually over here on my right
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if you see those green boards those green boards are have been painted
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and sealed those are going to be the floorboards now depending on what kind of wood you
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use you may not have to seal them I'm just doing it it has a little bit of mold preventative in it but those are
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drying tonight so that's why we did not continue the floor install instead we
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moved to electrical uh while those have been painted and
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are drying right now what I did is I finished wiring the van or pull in The Wire
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so I've pulled everything for the lights above the USB Outlets here everything to power
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our renergy Hub that's going to communicate all the
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battery voltages the DC to DC charger nppt communication that's all been there
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the network cable has been run so we're all good four of our 120 volt
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lines have been ran underneath the floor then we have our Webasto line that's under there we also have our Amber
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awning light that's outside and then we have a couple more things
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we've got uh front Banks lights rear
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and then we have the water pump and
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I think that's about it so what we're going to do is this is a little bit of homework for you guys it's going to be a
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short stream just because I gotta head out here in just a little bit but since it was going to be short this afternoon
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I put together one of the first things that I think is the most important thing to do when you are building the van out
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and you've never done it before and you're new to you know Electrical uh
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cable you know you're just learning about gate gauges of cable you know like
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a 14 gauge 12 gauge that sort of thing wire sizing you know you're learning about fuses all
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kinds of different ones you're you're picking up products that you've never touched before
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it's a 12 volt item so maybe it's kind of confusing because you've worked on household stuff that's 120. so what this
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does this is a good just beginner level way to start
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organizing and understanding if you have things sized appropriately
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and fused appropriately now what I've done is I have not worked
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on this and what's perfect about that is you're going to get to see me do it live and
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it's meant to help you guys understand how to organize the items in your van
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so this is what we're going to do tonight we're going to take all of our this is our components
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right here so our fridge we have our uh Webasto
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let's just type in heater we have our renegie
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hub and let's see let's make these bold
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so we're going to fill this chart out as best as we can tonight and then we're going to take any questions you guys may
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have and uh that's kind of the agenda tonight so we got a fridge heater our energy Hub
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and these are these are all 12 volt
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items so let me highlight that so that you
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guys well not like that
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okay these are all 12 volt items
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let's see fridge heater hub
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and then we're gonna have our Let's see we have our u s B
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uh or USB what do I want to call it fast charge
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and then we have two x so we got two of those
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and then the next thing say we have our front
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lights is there a front interior
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and then we have our rear
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rear interior lights some of this information I don't know
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but that's that's perfect because you guys get to see how I find that
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information out if I don't know it So when you buy the adventure wagon kit
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you don't have a manual that lets you know the voltage rating of or the amperage of the
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overhead lights um okay let's see here next we're going
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to go to see front rear we have our water pump
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see we're missing we're missing one so let's walk over to the van see what we're missing here
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okay we get our front lights our rear lights
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rigid Amber that might be one of them water pump
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rigid Amber fridge rigid Amber
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uh let's see here we're just going to call this our Amber out door
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light okay
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so this is what we have first we may I'm just put a little nine with the asterisk here there may be an
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additional USB outlet and the reason I want to do this is
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when I planned this van build out I may I probably had six of these items
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but the fast charge the renergy Hub
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in the Amber outdoor light were not in consideration when I size this so that I'm making this chart
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so that I can make sure that our uh we have a Max
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of 60 amps that we can use
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maximum of six amps to use a better way to say it
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so let's make that orange there we go so 12 volt and we have a Max of 60 amps
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to use so we can't go over 60 amps if all of these are running
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together so first up we have the let's just go
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here we're going to do isotherm [Music]
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so I pulled this up the other day
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foreign
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[Music] okay
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so we're gonna try to find our
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so I'm doing this so that you guys can figure it out and I'm figuring out at the same time
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so if you need to figure something out just do what I'm doing
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uh so here's something pretty cool this is has to do with the refrigerators
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this is the Elegance model the cruise see if they have a different one for the
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cruise so this is including the cr130 so the
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cruise 130 is what we have okay this is the information we need but let me back up here
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and let me get my big head out of the way
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right here so do you see where it says low voltage protection
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so our 12 volt system this is something to be mindful of
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they they have automatic so isotherm has automatic circuitry inside the fridge
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that will turn it off if the voltage gets below uh these numbers
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so the minimum that you can run it at is uh
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so right here in parentheses I believe that let's see what it says
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if the bridge is removed between C and P the values indicated in the parentheses
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are valid a bridge
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okay so there's some option a bridge so that might be a a wire bridge in the
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circuitry that you can remove or put in there if it's removed you get a little bit of
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a bump or you actually you know it's kind of the minimum voltage is lower
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anyway I'm gonna try to keep this as simple as possible I'm just trying to try not to get in the weeds but essentially the minimum operating
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voltage is 10.9 below that it's not safe to operate your fridge
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uh not danger to you but danger to the fridge and then in the fridge looks like it's
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going to shut down at 9.6 which is really low
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so your system should never get should never ever get this low
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especially lithium
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okay next let's go and find out what we were looking for which is the fuse size
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so this is under electrical connections and for the model
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so we're looking up our Endeavor basto Cruise reference manual this is our manual for a fridge cr30 is
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what we have it stands for cruise 130. it says it does include the Elegance
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models so I think there's a cruise Elegance it has to do with it's you know painted
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black or stainless or has the Clean Touch but anyway you're looking for your model number cr130
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and we have cr130 we have a 12 volt system we do not have a 24 volt system so 15 amps
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is our fuse
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let's see if there's any more details okay so it says there's a wiring diagram
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so let's go ahead and just capture that information so I'm going to put that in the fuse
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size and the cool thing is I'm going to go back to this when we hook everything up
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if you guys keep along with the series and we can test the operating amps to
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see how close they are and it's kind of nice to do that to understand how the your components work
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you know is this thing operating at like 14.5 like really close to the 15 amps
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um because there's a possibility of a like a nuisance trip like it'll you
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'll uh so maybe going up to like a 20 amp fuse uh highly unlikely but
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that might be more applicable to other products that you have in your van
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so if something keeps tripping um maybe bumping up just a little bit might help it uh
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as long as it's not too high and over the wire size it shouldn't be dangerous
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but you want to start from the manufacturer's recommended fuse size first obviously and then you
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want to go to the next step so while we're here the wire size
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this is installed so wire size in
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in Van this is the wire saw size that you put in the van
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uh I'm just gonna put it installed it sounds weird
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okay so the wire that we have installed I don't have to even look it's a 12 2 wire and we're just going to do 12. so 12
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gauge AWG all right so now
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this one we can keep open we may figure this out later
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so up here we can have let's say 12 AWG
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Max amps
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so what are our Max Amps for a 12 gauge wire so you go over here just type in 12
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AWG Max Amps
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um 20 amps right there
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so 12 gauge is 20 amps
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and you let's see here I don't have I need to go to a chart
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code is 12 20 okay
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and uh then we have this 14 gauge
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and these are wires that we're using
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I think 14 is 15. 15 yep
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so 14 is 15. okay so this is our little
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our little cheat sheet we made right here
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uh actually let's make that green
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it's a little darker green so this is the good stuff up here so if
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we have a 12 gauge wire and we don't uh we want to do
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we make sure that it's equal to
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or less than 20 amps let me see
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I forgot how to not make that a formula let's see here
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let's see if we can do
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I want to not see here
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hmm
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okay that's what I have to do
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so less than or equal to 15 amps so 15 amps would be the max size
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and then uh
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this is getting this might get kind of confusing I'm trying to make sure that this is understandable for
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if you've never
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okay let's keep this clear the reason that I'm hesitating on this is
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12 gauge 20 amps is the max power that I can go through it but
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to protect the wire from going over 20 you would need a 20 amp fuse if that
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makes sense so explore stat life has something that I
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may plug in there he's got a formula it's like 1.4 times
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okay I'm gonna I'm going to uh I'm gonna put this information that we can get tonight I'm gonna do a little more homework on it so I can teach you guys
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better and then I'll come back and I'll explain this box up here
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but right now we're just doing kind of basic basic stuff so the fridge is 15 amps
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and my point that I was trying to make is the fuse is recommended to be 15 amps so
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our wire sizing is 12 gauge and go up to 20 so we're safe so hopefully you
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understand the 15 amps is less than the 20 which means that the wire sizing is correct
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and safe to use for the fridge that was my point all right so let's go to the heater
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um let's see actually I'm going to go to the uh the fast charge USB it comes with a 10 amp fuse
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and so 10 amp and I'm using
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14 gauge for that
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so see we're good 10 amp less than 15. our 14 gauge 14 15 amp 10.
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good to go
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uh let's see here the front interior lights
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all right let's see if I can find a little Bitcoin Max
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Luma coin consumption of 2 amps
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eight to 30.
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yeah it'll probably never get up to two amps but we're gonna put two amps in for
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this one so that's Max
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um so recommend fuse size I'm gonna put this in so we're gonna do five amps
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for that one
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and then this one is also uh
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14. okay our water pump so
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when you buy your products make sure you keep you know keep all the boxes with you so
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that you can reference what's on the box so we have the sea flow
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I forgot where my camera was sifu slow the sea flow 42 series is what
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we're using this is the specific model number so this is the specific model number
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and then down here we're going to reference it and this one is going to tell us our voltage
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gallons per minute uh PSI
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Max amp draw and demand and bypass what type of switching
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that it has so for this one Max draws 7.5
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so 7.5 is our Max
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it's going to put Max because if you need to you know keep these notes I'm not even showing you guys the screen
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keep these notes because say for example you're having an issue in your van in your troubleshooting
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this will be a good reference guide to know that if you put a multimeter on it and for some reason it's way the water
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pump is way above this amperage it might be
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a sign that it's you know messing up but if it's operating correctly and something else is going on it might not
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be the motor or the circuit it could be just more of the the way that you have it piped or plumbed more like a physical thing
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but since we have 7.5 there um
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let's see all right put a note here need to make
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fuse calculator
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so I'm gonna see if I can remember to make a fuse calculator that way
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uh I can give you guys something that like if you type it in right here it's going to do the math there's already a few
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size calculator let's see let's see if we can find it
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fuse size calc we're gonna do explores
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because I'm pretty sure he has one yep there it is it's a no affiliation but
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um explore.live has excellent electrical information uh there's a ton of tutorial videos to
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let you go uh you know learn about it uh Nate he's the one that does all the uh
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videos teaches you all this stuff and it looks like they just updated this
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so for example let's say or so we can go here and we can find out let's say our water
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pump is seven point five we're gonna go and type in 7.5
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and then over here we can go and find our wire size so the wire size for the pump
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14
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and I'm actually going to I'm going to switch these
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so let's see here we got 14 gauge okay and our voltage is 12.
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so the recommended fuse size is 10. so let's do a little math here on the
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phone so we got 10 divided by 7 .5
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.13 so I think that's the number
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if the recommendous view size is larger than the max view size the wire size Choice may be too small
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for the amperage demands of the circuit so I think I watched a video to this one right here that completely
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does not make any sense for a 14 gauge anyway so the recommended is 10 so you go up here
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and we'll put in 10 amps
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okay so the fridge we've got
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15 amp 12. and so we need to find out the operating
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amp current I didn't see that in the manual
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okay our rigid light let's check this out
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so here's our rigid light box so let's see if the buck what the
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box has on here
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so the amp draw is 0.64 because it's an LED
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this will be fun
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so five recommended few size is five and uh yep that's about typical
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and then we've got 14 gauge wire
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I'm gonna delete the max here
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uh actually no I'll don't do that we'll add these up at the end
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and let's see let's just say we have
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The renergy Hub
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this is our energy Hub communication hub and
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and there's nothing in the box so there's no paperwork or anything like that
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so all we got was The Wire and the Hub so well actually hold on hold on maybe
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this is it okay nevermind
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we we do have some paperwork so keep all your paperwork if you can
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and then what we're going to do we're just going to go through here and see
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if we can find our information we're looking for
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I doubt it's going to be in here but we're gonna check anyway
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input voltage is 9 to 60 volts
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conception operating power consumption is less than
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0.35 Watts
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they actually don't even have a suggestion for a fuse on this circuit
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so let's go ahead and write down operating is a point
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three five Watts
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we could look and see if there's any way to find out what the
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gauge of the wire is again they just have it directly connected
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so this is 22 gauge so you might have to do a little bit of research so that's why I thought this
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video might really help you guys out because sometimes it's not shown so right here we got 22 gauge
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and since we have a new gauge in our chart let's um
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let's just uh copy this down and let's type in
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22 gauge so this is Max Amps for the wire
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so it says 5 amps
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you may have to rephrase your question in Google
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and current is also amps so it's a maximum current of 11 amps
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that's 20 gauge okay
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so 5 amps where is the chart
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so here's one 22 amps Max Amps for the wiring is seven
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so in this case uh let's do seven
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let's see if we got our Blue C systems one
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yeah I thought that's really high 0.92 amps
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14 is six next
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okay so we're going to be using blade fuses which are the ATO or ATC fuse right here
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let's see if we can zoom in so we're using this blade fuse this is the Box we're using so it's
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designed for both ATO or ATC fuses so that's like a
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car fuse like you'd be in your car so for that one
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we have 12 but we don't have 22 on this list
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because it's it's a very skinny wire I don't I don't think we're gonna have it on here
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so for the 22 we're gonna go with a 5 amp fuse
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and I put a little question mark over here because I want to be able to reference a chart for you guys
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okay the Webasto here let's see here so we
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got a Evo air top
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40. when you want to look at the manual
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okay so this is our manual for our heater and we're just going to go through here
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and look at our electrical so the heater connection is on page 24
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so we got 24 okay we have a install a fuse
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so f is 15 amps for 24 volt or 20 amps
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for 12. so we need a 20 amp fuse
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so now we've got to be careful when you're reading this you need to take all the information and
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then kind of distill it down to exactly what they're talking about so it says 20 amps for 12 volt
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okay but now we're going to come down here and it says the airtop Evo requires 10
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amps at 12 volts so we need something that can provide 10
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amps so where it says requires that is really important
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for your wire sizing
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but it comes with a wiring harness so for this application
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you wouldn't have to really worry about that because they've already properly sized The Wire now you've just got to
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plug it in and Infuse the
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fuse the circuit so it needs 10 amps so let's see here
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operating amps is 10
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this is 10 amps the wire size
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so Rex recommended a fuse at 20 amps
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so from this little chart we can maybe guess that it's a 14 gauge wire I'm going to see if I can actually see what
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it says it is so this is not my wire this is the wire that comes in the kit from wilbasto
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yeah so I'm just looking at it right now
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so it appears to be 14 gauge but it doesn't say it on there
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but it's the exact size as my 14 gauge so we will call this a 14 gauge
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which makes sense because a 14 gauge can do 15.
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and 10 amps 20 amp uh
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so there's a place where two fuses in the line
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okay we'll double check that too let's do a little question mark there
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okay so isotherm fridge operating amps so we're just going to do 15 amps with a
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question mark sorry this is all turning into code but we'll we'll clean this up
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I just like doing this from scratch and then later I'll clean it up to make make sense it's good to kind of talk through it
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um and this was cool you can just kind of make some of this we just we just made this up
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okay so assuming that we're going to pull the max size right before uh the
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fuse needed let's just say this 15 amps um which it definitely should operate below that
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but we're just we're putting in worst case scenario over here okay because
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remember Max of 60 amps is that's all that we can suck out of the
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service to this fuse panel we got to ensure that when we operate all these devices with the fridge
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running the heater is running the hub's running we're charging up our laptops we got all the lights on in the van we're washing
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dishes we got some friends outside the lights on um you know somebody's charging their
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phone so for example we need to make sure that if all this stuff is happening at the
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same time we're not going to overload our circuit uh so let me hide this down here and
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let's say hide this down here so the total
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amps
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we're going to estimated
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total estimated amps okay total estimated amps
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let's see it's got 15 25 26 27 28 29
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we got 29
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so 36.5 36.5
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so let's just round up we'll say 37.
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so we're doing pretty good we have some room for some more circuits
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so let me let's pull this down let's see 9 10 11 12. so we've got 10
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11 12.
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so this this is open uh
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so up here
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so not used
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so these these are not used so for example let's just say that we put in
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um so we got 37 47 57 67
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[Music] so we could get away with maybe like three more like 10 more amp circuits
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are four or five amp circuits so there's this kind of a way to to think about it
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but this look this is what we're looking at for our 12 volt system
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and last but not least I'm going to pull up I'm actually going to pull this up so you guys can see it
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oh actually I'll just show you so this is the Blue Sea Systems St blade fuse block 12 circuits with cover and
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negative bus that is two things that you need to make sure you get when you buy this
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is the uh cover and the negative bus because you if you
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if you buy this it's a description Sometimes It's Tricky so you can you can
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buy this like this it'll have no cover on it and
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this uh top part right here will be covered so you'll only get the positive
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and the blade circuit so what we want is we want the negative up here
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because we want to be able to run our we want to have our negative cable up here and our positive down here
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coming from the power system and then that way it's really easy for
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us to wire our our positive line here and then our negative line right here
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um and it'll just uh it makes life easier
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Plus on this it'll come with see it clicks this on so nothing's going
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to short circuit on it it's nice clean so this will go underneath the kitchen galley
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and they even give you a little sticker pack so that you can write what the circuit is
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so I enjoyed this and I've used it before I used a smaller version I haven't used
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it this is a bigger version but they're the same thing and then what it's going to show you
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here is it has a schematic on how everything works
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so how you're supposed to wire it up but I'll be with you guys wiring this up
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when we get to that point
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all right if you want to find components like this and other items make sure you guys check out our DIY van build cheat
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sheet it's completely free and it's essentially an Excel sheet kind of like what we're making today but it's all the
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products that I bought off Amazon for the past three years it has electrical items
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we have Fasteners HVAC Roofing solar and tools include also including the water
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system so for example check this out there we go we got the water pump that we just showed you guys today
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if we go back up to electrical let's see where is it
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uh we get a Bluetooth system fuse block so this is actually what we're using for
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providing the power to charge the DC to DC charger from the engine batteries that's on there
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so it's a really convenient way to look and have links to the products uh that
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I'm showing you guys on the channel all in one spot again it's completely free just put your name and email
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use the products they're on the list so you don't really have to worry about it
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and that is a DIY vimlet cheat sheet you can also go to vanbuilderhq.com or you
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can click on the link in the description below all right so we made our chart we got a
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couple of things that we need to improve on so I need to get some questions answered over here
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uh talk about some links to maybe a calculator and
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when we actually hook everything up I'm going to show you how to take a multimeter and go through and see how
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much current that the devices actually uh pulling
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then that way you can kind of understand your stuff that you're putting in your van um
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because again these are recommended few sizes so this is a good place to start
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sometimes it's oversized for the circuit so if the if the component is running at
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a lower current and you want a little bit more protection you may come down
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in a few size um but it's up to you on what you want to
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do recommend fuse is a great way to begin and then you find out how your units
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operating but if the manufacturer is telling you 7.5 Max and I recommend a few size that
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is what you want to go with once again if you guys have any
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questions you can definitely anytime we're doing a live stream ask during our live stream and put those questions as
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well in the comments below make sure you guys are subscribed to the
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channel make sure you guys like this video If you enjoyed it if this is helpful for somebody that's working on a van that you know share this link with
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them that'll definitely help them out uh also if they have any questions happy to uh hear that on the channel last but not
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least I'm looking into putting together a course on either electrical or some
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other things let's see uh see what I posted really quick I forgot what my question was
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all right so we have um yeah thinking about making a course what
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topic would you like me to cover the most so do you guys like information and
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of course that would be insulation walls and flooring of course on Electric off-grid Power
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Systems another one would be plumbing and water systems
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or installing a van interior so things such as kitchen cabinets bed system kitchen
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Galley Etc so let me know your thoughts there's a poll right now if you're catching the
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live stream live make sure you guys vote on that poll let me know what you're looking forward to and I'll start working on that course
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and uh yeah so that is going to do it for our live stream tonight I hope you guys enjoyed it don't worry we are
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letting our panels dry over here we'll kick back uh next on our floor we'll continue that
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process we got everything we need um I even bought
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I even bought
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an electric caulk gun because man going through all those tubes enough
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adhesive uh Sam gets some uh power tools for that
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but um yeah I'll let you know how this one does if you guys are interested in buying it uh
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about that'll be it for the live stream hope you guys enjoyed it and we'll see you in
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