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I'm Ren, and this is my partner Gurdon
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Our life lets me sleep with Ben. We get death threats, we get people trying to call CPS
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We have an open relationship. I've always known that I was bi. People truly don't believe that bi men exist
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Your husband is gay. You mean gay? No such thing as a guy who's bi, just gay
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He's gay, super gay. You mean you have a gay husband? A lot of throw-off emojis
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I wanted to ask, where do you see this going long term? It's like, do you think that we'll have an open relationship forever
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I'm Ren, and this is my partner, Durden, and I let him sleep with other men
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We met on Tinder. Well, I immediately thought she was way out of my league
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She just looked really sweet and genuine. I thought you looked a little bit of a v-bag
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My plan was to hit it and quit it. Neither of us were looking for a relationship, and I don't know, from that day, it's been insensurable
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Yeah. We were both married previously, so I think for us getting into our relationship, we wanted to do it right
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I've always known that I was bi, so I think for me, it was more just being able to have a safe place to accept that
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He came out, what, like a year and a half into our relationship as being bi
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And I think for us having deep conversations, it was kind of me being like, babe, I think you might be bi
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And that was kind of what led to us being in an open relationship. We would have experiences with single men and have experiences with single women and give each other the freedom to explore that
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I never get judgment for being a bi woman, but he consistently gets judgment for being a bi man
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We've had multiple 3 million, 5 million videos of us going viral for being bi, basically for him being bi
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We go live on TikTok all the time and we get flooded with hate. Sometimes we get death threats, we get people trying to call CPS
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I can't stop laughing. Your relationship's a joke. Why get married? I really don believe this bi thing He more into himself than he is with you Go to church I can unsee this A lot of throw up emojis This makes me want to tug bleach
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Your husband is gay. You mean gay? No such thing as a guy who's bi, just gay
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Oh no, he's gay. Super gay. You mean you have a gay husband? I mean, it goes, oh, it's for a future on it
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It's just every comment is hate. When I'm having like an off day and I'm in my head, of course these comments don't help
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But most of the time, I'm able just to brush it off and realize that these people aren't very happy in their own life
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People truly don't believe that bi-men exist. They think that it's only something that can happen for women
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I think it's crazy. I'm over here supporting you. And we have a very healthy, happy relationship
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The first three years of us being in an open relationship was kind of rocky. Because you're exploring boundaries and you're figuring out what's going to work for you
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Back in the day, like we had rules of no kissing, no eye contact, don't call him baby, don't call him daddy
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It wasn't anything that he was doing per se that was making me feel jealous
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It was my own insecurities. And so I think the more that we worked on that together, the more that we kind of got over jealousy
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Everyone's going to experience jealousy. But I think it's like how you work through it
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I actually like being jealous. We travel once a month and most of what we go to are called hotel takeovers
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So essentially a company will rent an entire hotel and it's a three to four day party
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So you really just get to go and be free and authentic
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There's playrooms. There's playrooms are great. So we're going to go meet up with my mom for lunch
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What do you want to wear? My sense of style. How would I describe it
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I like like bright neon things. I like tight fitting body suits
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Like you wouldn't even think that a man could fit into that. Yeah
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I like to be comfy. I like to show off a little bit. I always say it's like a little bit homeless
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but a little bit stylish. Homeless chic? Yeah, homeless chic is my style
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He's like such a humble person and actually really shy but his fashion is the complete opposite because he wakes up every day and puts on a crop top I mean in the summertime he wearing booty shorts pretty much every day and he got a nice s I started off with like wearing crops to the gym
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And once, you know, I realized, hey, you know what, people really don't care. Just started gradually getting more aggressive, and I don't get any slack in public
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It's mainly online. People be like, oh, you wore that in public
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Well, I mean, he's been kicked out of three gyms for what he wears to the gym
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They're like, why did you steal your wife's shirt? Do you guys share clothes
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I love tight-fitting clothes on men. I think that it accentuates their assets, you know
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I like that he can express himself and he can be comfortable expressing himself
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Today we're going to meet up with my mom to chat about our relationship. A little bit of nerves there, for sure
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What about you? Are you feeling nervous at all? A little anxious
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Lauren is my daughter. She's my firstborn. I would just like to ask my daughter and Durden, you know, are they happy
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So when I came out to you as having an open relationship, how did you feel about that
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Well, at first there's always concerns, you know, like how are other people going to respond to it
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or what kind of impact that's going to have on some of our closer family members
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Also, I believe in the power of self-expression fully. and I wanted you to be true to yourself
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and have the life that you want to have. And the fact that you have someone to share that with
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who is just as open and understanding, I mean, I don't know, that gives me a sense of security
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Kind of like us fighting a person that's accepting. I wanted to ask, where do you see this going long term
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Yeah. Like, do you think that we'll be in the lifestyle, like, have an open relationship forever
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Um, I mean, not forever, but probably, like, in our 60s I would still see us having a lifestyle like this I definitely foresee us always being open always being in the community Maybe that going to events
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Yeah, or will we always share forever? I don't know, probably not
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Maybe like 60, 70. Jealousy is definitely something that we've had to navigate in our relationship
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12, 3, yes. I feel like the first three years were our hardest years
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It's hard to admit you're jealous sometimes. So just being able to admit that helps
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So I've got a question now. What do you think about my outfits
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Do you like them? Your outfits, honestly, it was a little bit of a setback at first
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It just kind of threw me off because, you know, I come from a different generation
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But then at the same time, I felt so empowered when I heard that other people at the gym were, like, asking you where you got your stuff
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So would you say you pretty much accept our lifestyle, girl? Yes, absolutely
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Yeah, I'm very, I accept and support your lifestyle. Yeah. I love the fact that we're on this, like, journey together where we're, like, trying to end stigmas and show other people that it's okay to be outside of the box in a relationship
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You've given me, you know, the confidence to do what I do, the ability to get what I do, and the support
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And I mean, you've been my rock through, you know, ups and downs
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I think that, like, if you are feeling a need to judge somebody, it's probably because you're not feeling satisfied in your own life, your own connection
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And if you have something wrong with, like, two people living authentically, I don't know
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I don't know what to tell you