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Soledad O’Brien Talks New Documentary “The Rebellious Life of Mrs. Rosa Parks” on Peacock
Oct 25, 2022
The award-winning journalist is the executive producer of a new documentary, The Rebellious Life of Mrs. Rosa Parks, which challenges the simplified narrative of a civil rights icon.
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Soledad O’Brien Talks New Documentary “The Rebellious Life of Mrs. Rosa Parks” on Peacock
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legendary
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legendary
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This Woman's Legacy is legendary
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and it's only appropriate
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that this story is being told under the
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supervision of someone I consider to be
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legendary
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legendary
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award-winning
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writer director actress executive
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producer true journalist come on and
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every sense of the word you can watch
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her work
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if rest assured that has been heavily
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vetted she put a lot of time and energy
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in it she put a lot of love in it it
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would not be finalized without her
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approval I watched her work over the
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years I recall briefly working with her
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one time on a project
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I don't know how many years ago it was
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like I don't know how you know and so um
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and I just been I've marveled that to
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work every time you come up here I'ma
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tell you this I appreciate it I'm Marvel
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at your work it's very trustworthy it's
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very necessary you telling the stories
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that we need to hear as a people
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um as a nation in this documentary to
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rebellious life of Mrs Rosa Parks is
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premiering tomorrow on peacock and I
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want to welcome her back to the show
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please the amazing Soledad O'Brien
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[Applause]
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thank you it's so nice to be here thank
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you you are so necessary right now I so
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appreciate but I really do have to tell
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you there's a big giant team of people
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who worked on this doc we had terrific
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uh producers and directors on this doc
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um and it's from a book um by the same
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name called the rebellious life of Mrs
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Rosa Parks which Gene Theo Harris wrote
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he would tweet every year about here's
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all the things you don't know about Rosa
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Parks and one of our directors Johanna
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Hamilton started engaging with her on
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Twitter which I kind of like the story
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because usually Twitter's just like a
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cesspool of horribleness right and they
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started sharing this information and so
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then Joanna brought in a director Yoruba
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richen and the two of them came to us to
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work on this project because it's all
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about what you don't know about Rosa
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Parks a woman who you think you know her
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entire story but you'd be completely
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wrong Soledad O'Brien by the way that
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was very uh professional of you to
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mention all of those different names
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that are contributed to this project
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Rosa Parks
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for those who don't know we often have
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the base on this show about
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um how we cover history a lot of folks
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don't want to go back in time right why
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we got to look back at that why can't we
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just look forward why we got to keep
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telling these same stories and talking
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about these same people that was in the
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50s why is it important to tell Mrs Rosa
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Parks story first because I think the
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truth matters I actually think a lot of
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people get written out of History
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especially black women so I think the
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truth just matters
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and then I also try to understand so
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like well why were we so comfortable
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with the story that I think we all heard
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in seventh grade right which was one day
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Mrs Rosa Parks was just tired her feet
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hurt she was a seamstress right and she
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just refused to give up her seat on the
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bus then there was the bus boycott and
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then it ended the end the reality is she
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had been an activist like a hardcore
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activist I mean she supported the Black
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Panthers she supported Malcolm X also Dr
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King and for decades had been doing the
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work of an activist and then when it
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came to the a moment of the bus boycott
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and she would tell reporters this I'm
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tired but no more tired than any other
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work day right I'm tired of being
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treated badly and she said in fact that
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she was thinking of Emmett Till at the
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moment that she refused to give up her
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seat right so this is not a woman whose
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feet hurt this is a woman who decided
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that she would take a stand for activism
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and so I'm always like so why do we like
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this comfortable sort of like accidental
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little sweet little old lady that keeps
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us calm in school and not make you want
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to think and not make you want to take
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that same approach had we known the
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truth so they paint this nice calming oh
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she was tired kind of stumbled into it
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actually right yeah we know the truth we
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think different yeah when she died the
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New York Times said they called her The
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Accidental matriarch and you're like
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that was nothing accidental I mean there
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was nothing accidental her she would
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talk about her grandfather when she was
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eight years old sleeping with his gun
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because he was so afraid and worried
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about the Ku Klux Klan and that's how
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she grew up like like very very really
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had complete antipathy for white people
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was afraid of the clan and angry about
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it from her childhood so this idea that
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you know just one day she fumbled into
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this act is just absolutely wrong and so
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you know repeating that story I think is
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a mistake we wanted to make sure that
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people understood the full work of Rosa
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Parks after the bus boycott I mean my
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education in Rosa Parks ended with the
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bus boycott then it was resolved the end
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but she was a member of the NAACP she
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was a secretary recording secretary
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which meant she traveled around the
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South to take testimony usually from
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black women who and black people
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generally who'd had violent acts you
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know acted upon them so one of her jobs
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was to sit down with a woman named Ricci
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Taylor who had been gang raped and to
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sit down and take her testimony as a
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sheriff's vehicle is going back and
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forth back and forth she took a bus in
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and imagine you know it's one of the
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stories that I like the most in this
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dock because I can't imagine like Reese
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Taylor who's been told if she tells
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anybody she's going to get killed
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they're going to kill her yeah and Rosa
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Parks is down there taking her testimony
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and both of them know it will never be
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resolved like you are not getting
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Justice it was not illegal to rape a
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black woman and so the idea that both of
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them are still
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this two of them are still literally wow
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anyway saying the truth matters like the
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facts of the case actually matter and so
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I'm going to give my testimony knowing
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full well she will not get Justice and
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also Rosa Parks doing full well like in
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that day they will not get justice but
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the facts of it matter and of course
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recently there was a documentary about
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Reese Taylor's story she's also another
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woman whose courage and whose bravery
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helped really bring about the Civil
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Rights Movement as a whole like these
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women existed and did incredible things
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and so you know I think their stories
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deserve to be told absolutely so Dad
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O'Brien we're talking about the
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rebellious life of Mrs Rosa Parks
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premiering on peacock tomorrow this is
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the first ever feature Lynn documentary
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about this activist Greg that's crazy
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huh right what I literally when I was
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told that I was like hang on while I
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Googled that just unbelievable right it
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really is you know Rosa Parks after she
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um after the bus boycott was resolved
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she was never able to get a job again
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yeah like ever again and they had to
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leave and move to Detroit she and her
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husband you know but like I had never
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heard that I sort of thought it all went
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back to normal at the end of the bus
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boycott and and that was not the case at
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all without giving away too too much
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because obviously we're all going to
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watch this and I'm definitely going to
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have my nieces watch this as well and my
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nephew what was one of the most
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surprising things that you've learned
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because you've only been here like seven
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minutes and I'm just I feel like I'm
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just being slapped in the face with
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information I just did not know did you
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feel that way absolutely I I would have
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told you like I have a pretty good grip
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on the story of Rosa Parks like I've
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done a bunch of dogs and I realized that
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I didn't because the degree to which she
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was an absolute hardcore activist from
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the get-go there was no nothing
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accidental about her story and in fact
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one of the historians in the doc talks
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about you know if people knew they might
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be a little more afraid of Rosa Parks
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um and and so again you know why when
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they were honoring Rosa Parks when she
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died right that she was a you know she
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was able to you could view her body in
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the capital very rare honor that was
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rare for him to do that right absolutely
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yeah but that was the same moment that
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everyone's eulogizing Rosa Parks with
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the left hand on the right hand they are
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undermining voting rights for black
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people you know Supreme Court was doing
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that right so simultaneously talking
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about her fight for for equal rights
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while literally undermining it at the
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same time and so it's those things that
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I think really kind of surprise me at
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every turn that she was involved in
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protest every single step of the way
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there was nothing accidental about her
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story at all wow Soledad O'Brien is here
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um
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I remember also reading about Claudette
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Colvin right uh not I don't think prior
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to Rosa Parks yeah she was 15 years old
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and she was a young woman who was really
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the first young person a woman who sat
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on the bus refused to give up her seat
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and she was in a lot of ways I was told
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not considered to be a great candidate
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for a court case she was 15. we actually
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interviewed her she's still alive
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she's not in well her Story's in the
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dark but no no for the anchor a show
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called matter of fact we did a whole
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profile on her the other day really like
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she's very much alive like alive and
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well and run around yeah so Claudia
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Colvin assistant
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is amazing do you know yeah I can get it
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to you Claudette Colvin was a mentee of
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Rosa Parks wow they knew each like I did
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not know that they actually knew each
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other I sort of thought there was this
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one she wasn't considered sort of a good
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test case for any kind of legal battle
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Rosa Parks was sort of a better case but
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actually Rosa Parks did a lot of work
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with young people young women
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specifically and they knew each other
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she was her mentee what does it mean
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Soledad when they say she wasn't a good
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test case like what in what way
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Claudette was 15 she so she was young
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she was pregnant she was not considered
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to be what they loved about Rosa Parks
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was that she was married she had a job
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she was she came across as very uh
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stately and dignified so how she
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presented and I think that's a very
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typical thing in modern day legal cases
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as well right is this person are they
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going to be seen in the public like as a
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good test for something you want to
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challenge in the courts yeah everything
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that's just sharing Soledad
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um it reminds me that so many of these
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major figures in our history were
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working on our behalf you know they
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weren't necessarily
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having this craving for results they
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would experience but it was really a
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delayed gratification that they knew we
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would hold in our hands in our
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experience and so I wonder if that is
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something that brings you a sense of
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calm in your work like knowing that okay
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I won't see the fruits of my labor but
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they will be enjoyed by the future yeah
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I think that's really really true I
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think especially when it came to civil
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rights Justice there was a sense that
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you're working toward a thing down the
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road you know my parents who were an
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interracial couple back in the late
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1950s my mom used to talk about when
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they moved my mom was Cuban black and
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Cuban my dad was white and Australian
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and my mom used to talk about what it
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was like for them in Baltimore in 1958
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and then after when they got married and
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then after when my two older sisters
11:41
were born and she would say you know
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people would spit on them as afraid I
11:45
was like Wow crazy but I used to ask her
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all the time like oh my God what did you
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do and she'd say you know we knew
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America was better than that you know
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which was kind of a similar thing like
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we're going to exist because we
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understand that there's a thing down the
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road that we need to get to and we can
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contribute to in some capacity and we
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have to you can't just opt out yeah you
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can't just say well you know it doesn't
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affect me it's not important to me or
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you know I'm just going to move to
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Detroit you actually have to continue to
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be in the fight and I think when it
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comes to civil rights
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I like the idea of making sure that
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people understand it's a long battle
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like it's not one day you just
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accidentally decide it's no in fact it
12:28
the true story is you get up and day
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after day after day decade after decade
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after decade you fight hard and because
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Dr King was moving a direction she
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supported that and because Malcolm X was
12:43
moving the same direction in a different
12:45
way she supported that and because the
12:47
Black Panthers were moving that
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direction doing a bit of a different
12:50
thing she supported that so I like the
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version that is not the mythology I like
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the version that it's this is hard
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work and it's over and over and over
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again and don't for a minute think that
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someone won't turn around and take it
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from you because they will we've seen
13:07
that happen in 2022. come on come on
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Soledad O'Brien is here we're going to
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open up these phone lines
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888-742-3345 we're talking about Miss
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Rosa Parks but we're also talking about
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Soledad o'bri yeah in the current times
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all right give us a call 888-742-3345
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[Applause]
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205.
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we're talking with Soledad O'Brien a
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rebellious life with Mrs Rosa Parks
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premiering tomorrow on peacock you have
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any questions hey today
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742-3345 or just comments we have a
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Alfie on the line from Baltimore hi
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Alfie Alfie Alfie good morning good
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morning how y'all feeling this morning
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hey beautiful hi Alfie hey good morning
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good morning uh Tracy Miss Heather B's
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hey Miss O'Brien in the man's sway hey
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hey what up Alpha I'm doing great uh
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quick question uh in this amazing that I
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just I had to I'm ahead join the Lord um
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information
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um I'm from Baltimore so I'm in his you
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know researching on redlining in
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Baltimore and how segregation started
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here in Baltimore and I heard you saying
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that your parents that grew up in
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Baltimore back in the 50s yep and and I
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was I would like to know people would
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you be in the library a little bit about
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that and also you know I would like to
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talk to you as well yeah absolutely so
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my my dad was from Australia my mom was
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Cuba from Cuba and when they came to
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this country they were both at Johns
14:33
Hopkins University in Baltimore but when
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they got married interracial marriage
14:37
was illegal in the state of Maryland and
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then 16 other states in the nation as
14:42
well and when I tell college students
14:43
that that my parents since marriage was
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not legal until after my little brother
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was born so they had six kids I mean it
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was legalized in 1967. that's
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embarrassing it's so bad and so you know
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my mom used to say like if you wait for
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people to get with what you're doing you
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might be waiting a long time you just
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you don't have to kind of do what you're
15:04
going to do so yeah I think they really
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liked Baltimore they spent a lot of time
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there but also they recognized when my
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parents they passed away a couple of
15:12
years I got um I got all their paperwork
15:15
back you know went through their
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paperwork my dad had listed himself as
15:18
negro on my sister's birth certificates
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really and I I don't know just for the
15:24
two of them for the rest of us once we
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moved to New York I grew up in Long
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Island we he was listed as white he was
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white and he was like very white you
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know there was no confusing him uh and
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so I was like God I wish I'd been able
15:36
to ask him what did was it just assumed
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and someone wrote that down did my dad
15:41
have it written down like what was the
15:43
reason behind that maybe was your mom
15:45
Mama's Cuban cooking
15:50
it just transformed them all the way
15:55
we're about to start another Doc in
15:57
Baltimore about water is all I can
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really say about yeah you know in a lot
16:02
of the infrastructure in a lot of
16:04
American cities is a disaster not
16:07
surprisingly Accord
16:09
um you know correlated with black uh an
16:12
under uh funded and under-resourced so
16:14
we're about to start a big project that
16:16
looks at uh at water and infrastructure
16:18
in America centered in Baltimore Alpha
16:20
you had you wanted to ask her one more
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because I sound like you were in the
16:23
Baltimore in the 60s and you're
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wondering if you knew her parents
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oh no no actually I'm 77 but you know I
16:32
don't really want to tell my age you
16:34
sound amazing you sound great man Jesus
16:37
like a marathon I was going to invite
16:39
you to the strip clubs
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okay
16:45
I would love to talk to you about some
16:47
things that you know I'm working on here
16:48
in Baltimore you know some documentaries
16:50
as well but a quick little fun fact
16:52
about Baltimore as well uh there's a
16:54
park here called Buena Park back in 16 I
16:57
think I'm gonna say 63 where it was
16:59
segregated and Martin Luther King had a
17:01
speech when he did his speech in 63
17:03
about little kids playing in the park it
17:06
was actually about a little girl first
17:07
time she wrote on this on um uh I was at
17:11
the merry go round and they had that
17:12
merry-go-round in DC is a memorial now
17:15
and she lives in California and she got
17:16
she wrote a children's book of well oh
17:18
wow okay Alfie thank you make sure you
17:21
follow Soledad at Soledad O'Brien on all
17:24
our social okay you can shoot a message
17:25
DM or I'm sure she's active Okay mention
17:29
that you met her on the show okay I
17:31
really appreciate that much to do it now
17:32
appreciate it y'all enjoy your day and I
17:34
love talking to you guys Alfie it's an
17:36
honor to have you tuning to us bro so I
17:39
want to say thank you and you're a super
17:40
citizen let's wait in the morning God
17:41
bless wow I appreciate it let's go to
17:45
Harlem match you got a quick question
17:48
[Music]
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my bad
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good
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I was Soledad I really you you really
18:01
caught me on guard with some of the
18:02
information you hit me with as I'm
18:04
driving to an interview to be a
18:06
substitute teacher
18:07
oh I like that good as as an educator or
18:12
soon to be educator
18:14
would you teach the kids of today like
18:19
would you teach the kids today the book
18:22
of today on Rosa Parks or just close the
18:24
book on that and teach her the real
18:26
story of Rosa Parks coming through your
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uh through your documentary I'm I feel
18:31
like you might be a plant because it so
18:33
happens we have created a curriculum for
18:35
middle school students let's go right
18:38
around
18:39
um Gene Theo Harris's book that is
18:41
really underscoring the real story of
18:44
Rosa Parks and so we can actually get
18:46
that to you and we started handling that
18:48
out already we were we got a lot of help
18:51
from the Ford foundation on that they
18:52
were really all over that so we
18:53
appreciate it but there is lots of
18:55
educational help to teach kids the real
18:58
story about Rosa Parks and I love
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telling the real story I also think
19:02
young people get it like they're not
19:04
confused by Nuance and contradiction and
19:07
you know well why would she do this and
19:10
why would that happen why would it be
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spun this way I sometimes think their
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answers are are very understanding and
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sometimes I think grown-ups
19:18
are a little more um unable to like
19:22
understand that someone can like Dr King
19:24
and and Malcolm X right like it kind of
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blows their mind and I I think young
19:28
people are like no I I get it she's you
19:30
know aiming for a bigger goal so we can
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absolutely get you know if you um if you
19:33
hit me up on on Twitter I'll make sure
19:35
that our uh Education team uh gets you a
19:38
copy of of that book and the resources
19:40
for your class if you like hey Matt
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congratulations all right thank you man
19:45
have a beautiful day substitute teaching
19:47
well no exciting okay all right I want
19:49
to interview we're proud of you bro okay
19:52
thank you y'all always do that for me
19:54
man yes indeed man you and your family
19:56
man I'll see you in Harlem yeah he's not
19:58
a planet
20:03
our citizens know how to do this uh
20:06
Tracy why don't you take it home well so
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that I would love your journalistic
20:10
perspective on something because we had
20:12
a conversation about
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um the American serial killer Jeffrey
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Dahmer and the series that is on Netflix
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and also we're all always just having
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conversations about where it is
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journalism and entertainment where do
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they cross where are their separate
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lines and one of the mothers of the
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victim who lost his life at the hands of
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Jeffrey Dahmer she's very upset one
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because a lot of people are dressing up
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as as him for Halloween and then two
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because she feels like Netflix is
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profiting off of these murders and that
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if you're going to do even though it's
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not a docu-series technically but it's
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based on true life um where they take
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testimony from the actual cases and then
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they turn that into the actors lines and
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words yeah in your perspective do you
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feel like when that is done that there
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should be a portion of the prophets that
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is given to the victims families
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you know I personally do because I just
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think it's very I have always liked in
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my projects to bring the people who are
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involved along sometimes it's hard but I
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mean I think I think it's just you get a
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better product at the end and also it
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must be like being hit over the head
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with a two by four imagine like you've
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spent all year right and and then you
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look up one day and suddenly you know
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nothing about it no one's asked you much
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about it and then all of a sudden
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there's an actor portraying your son
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right and then and your testimony in
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court is being with your actual words is
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being said on Netflix and somebody is
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making a fair amount of money off of it
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so I don't think there's an official
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rule about it but I have always found
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and I don't do a ton of of non of
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scripted right we do a lot of more you
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know documentary and scripted but even
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in documentary we I want people to
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participate I want them to feel like
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listen this is your story and you get to
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be part of this story and you have to
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tell them that you know if we're
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producing it then it is ours right we
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own it and and everybody has their point
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of view but I like to be informed by the
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people who are there and projects we
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have done we have not paid people I
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don't like paying people for interviews
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but sometimes you'll say listen we would
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love to have you work on the promotion
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for this doc we would love to to buy
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your photographs and things like that
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that seem more fair and not just using
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people's stories I think that is just
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really I think that's hard I feel so
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badly for grieving families that part to
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me is I think it just comes out of the
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blue right and then all of a sudden it
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just brought a girlfriend of mine lost
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her uh her daughter in the Newtown
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school shooting and she just you know
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she writes about it a lot on Twitter how
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every school shooting that happens her
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phone's ringing and it just all comes
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back up again and they happen a lot and
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and you know then she just feels very
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exploited by it over and over again and
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I only say that because she talks a lot
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about it on social media and it just
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breaks your heart like I just think it's
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you know I can't imagine if someone were
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ever to say oh I'm gonna I'm gonna play
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you in that film about it and oh and
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this little actress is going to be you
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know that one could you imagine the
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Heartbreak of that parent I can't even
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imagine yeah thank you for your honesty
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and transparency yes appreciate that
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Soledad O'Brien absolutely we love
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having you I love you thank you you're a
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unicorn and this is right now in this
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game
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you see what's happened with you know
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ain't gotta tell you
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because we need you here
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Soledad O'Brien big round of applause
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for rebellious life with Mrs Rosa Parks
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premiering tomorrow on peacock thank you
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thanks for having me continued success
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thank you thank you
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