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Erica Campbell: How We Survived Infidelity & Saved Our Marriage | SWAY’S UNIVERSE
Jun 5, 2026
What does it really take to sustain a marriage for 25 years while navigating the pressures of the spotlight? Grammy Award winning artist and gospel icon Erica Campbell joins the show to share her wisdom on love, transparency, and the hard work of staying connected in a modern world.
In this deep dive, Erica discusses her recent vow renewal and the concept of silent leaks in a relationship. These are the small, unaddressed issues like poor communication or lack of attention that can eventually lead to major heartbreak if left ignored. We also explore her latest project as an executive producer, the Lifetime movie Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery, which takes a provocative and modern look at one of the most challenging commandments.
Throughout the conversation, we hear from real callers sharing their own powerful stories of infidelity, divorce, and reconciliation. Erica breaks down the importance of listening with your heart, the true meaning of submission in a partnership, and why checking your ego is vital for spiritual and relational growth. Whether you are married, dating, or focused on personal development, this interview offers powerful insights into building a life of integrity, faith, and lasting love.
Chapters
0:00 Welcome Erica Campbell to the show
3:15 Celebrating 25 years and renewing vows
6:45 Understanding the silent leaks in marriage
9:30 Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery movie premiere
12:15 The Ten Commandments series on Lifetime
15:00 Double standards in infidelity and cheating
18:30 The importance of communication and apologies
22:00 Balancing career success with personal connection
25:45 Why men and women handle betrayal differently
28:15 Caller stories: Surviving infidelity and moving on
31:30 Submission vs oppression in modern relationships
34:00 Faith, fashion, and managing the ego
37:10 Final thoughts and where to watch
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Oh my gosh.
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Even from the trailer my heart start
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palpitating.
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>> [laughter]
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>> Tracy G all the way in New York, he can
0:09
sense this. And you know what's ironic
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about it is um
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>> [applause]
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>> this movie I got a chance to watch watch
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in advance.
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And uh turn uh turn that mic on for me,
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John.
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Turn the mic on for me.
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>> Hello, hello.
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>> There you go.
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>> There you go.
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>> This movie don't say nothing yet. Don't
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say nothing yet.
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>> [laughter]
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>> Leave him on.
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>> This movie I got a chance to watch in
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advance because the people who are
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associated with the uh movie as an as
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executive producer, um Erica Campbell,
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um who is somebody we met Heather uh we
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known through her music, through her
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reality shows, you know.
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>> [laughter]
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>> Albums, um she's a Grammy Award winning
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gospel singer, uh songwriter, radio
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personality, author,
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um actress. You know her from Mary Mary,
0:57
five-time Grammy Award winning artist.
0:59
Give her a big round of applause for
1:01
that. All right, she does her own
1:03
morning shows, syndicated Get Up
1:05
Mornings with Erica Campbell radio show.
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Uh she's a a Dove Award and NAACP Image
1:11
Award winner. She's done so many
1:13
different things throughout her career
1:15
and throughout her life. And one of the
1:16
things I appreciate about her and I
1:19
admire about her as I've watched her on
1:21
various shows including Tamron Hall and
1:23
doing different interviews is her
1:25
ability to be transparent and open about
1:28
her life especially in a public forum.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And um that's something I I I kind of
1:34
I'm apprehensive about personally.
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That's something I don't always do
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because of when I speak about my
1:39
personal life it impacts some of the
1:41
people who are in my personal life
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>> Mhm.
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>> who didn't ask for that, right? And so
1:45
but I admire people who are able to do
1:46
it cuz I see their growth constantly.
1:48
And I want to say congratulations to
1:51
you, Erica Campbell. You come a long
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way. And this career has been solid
1:57
throughout the whole time. And you
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shared a lot
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>> Yeah.
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>> with us.
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>> I have. Look at that. I had a whole baby
2:04
on TV.
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>> You had a whole baby on TV.
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>> now.
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>> Wow.
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>> That baby's 14?
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>> 14. My oldest is at Spelman. She's 21.
2:12
My son is 16. And my baby's going to
2:14
high school this year.
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>> Wow.
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>> Oh my gosh.
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>> That [laughter] is a blessing.
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>> Yo, and Spelman and and so I get it. And
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I want to thank you for being open and
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honest. You faced a lot of challenges um
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in your marriage, right? You faced a lot
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of challenges personally.
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>> Mhm.
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>> And you've expressed it, shared it with
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folks, and we watched you grow and heal
2:36
together. And and with that, it's been
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inspirational to a lot of people that
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you come into contact with. So, I want
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to welcome you back to the show. Give it
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up for the one and only Erica Campbell
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is here.
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>> are here.
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>> That was a good
2:49
introduction. I feel like something.
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Thank y'all.
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>> [laughter]
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>> I feel like something. I'm something.
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I'M SOMEBODY.
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>> YOU scandalous when you in this movie,
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though.
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>> Yeah, [laughter] yeah, yeah, yeah.
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>> You know, you are.
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>> Cassie Davis is scandalous.
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>> Okay, that's [laughter] Cassie.
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>> That's Cassie.
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>> Okay, and I want to get into that, but
3:05
also I was looking just I follow you.
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So, I was looking at some of the things
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you've done in your life and you
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recently um posted your wedding vows
3:13
renewal ceremony. 25 years. She renewed
3:17
the [applause and cheering] wedding
3:17
vows.
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>> Wow.
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>> And she joked about the song having a
3:20
song, "Never would have made it."
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>> And we wouldn't have, yeah. I mean, I
3:24
think every marriage goes through. You
3:26
know, you only grow through things
3:28
stretching you and pulling you. If I
3:29
want to lift weights and I want muscles,
3:31
I got to lift heavy weight. And love
3:33
makes you do that. You're lifting heavy
3:35
things, heavy ideas of compromise and
3:38
coming together and understanding. And
3:40
also being honest. A lot of times people
3:42
aren't honest with what they need. But
3:44
they expect somebody to just
3:45
automatically know, you know what I
3:47
mean, what they need. But we've had
3:49
just such a great journey of being
3:51
friends and being honest and knowing
3:54
that our purpose is together and it's we
3:56
can face anything together and we can
3:58
overcome anything together. And so, I
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just wanted to share with people cuz I'm
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like this love ain't just about us. It's
4:02
not a secret. I want other people to see
4:04
and go, "This is possible for you, too."
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>> Yeah.
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>> If we made it through, if we can work
4:07
together, if we can overcome and have
4:09
these beautiful kids and all that God
4:10
has blessed us with, then you can do you
4:12
can do it, too.
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>> Wow. Why Why renew, though? Why do
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people renew their vows?
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>> way you have to renew your mind every
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morning.
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>> Okay.
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>> Every morning you wake up, you have to
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speak life over yourself. The negative
4:22
thoughts will come, what could go wrong,
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I'm busy, I don't have this.
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You got to renew your mind and say, "I'm
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okay and it's going to be okay."
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>> Uh-huh.
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>> You know what I mean? We're here, we're
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on the same team, we got the same goal,
4:32
same purpose trying to achieve. And you
4:35
also accept the fact that everybody
4:36
won't like it and that's okay. But when
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my mind is renewed, your negative words
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ain't going to move me off my square.
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>> Right.
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>> So, we have to renew vows. You have to
4:44
remind each other. If I only said I love
4:46
you one time, I'm like, you know, you
4:48
didn't never want to say it again?
4:49
>> Right.
4:50
>> get tired of my kids coming in saying I
4:52
love you. I don't get tired of telling
4:53
my husband or him telling me. You got to
4:55
refresh. We got love check-ins.
4:58
Yeah, we do love check-ins.
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>> Yo, we have our love you, my sister.
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>> Oh, yeah, [laughter] right.
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>> It's fake. It's fake. It's fake. Only
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cuz you're here. Only cuz you're here.
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>> Thank you, Erica.
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>> Can I borrow that?
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>> Yes, love you. I love you, too, Stacy.
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>> Love you right back. Mutual.
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>> Thank you. [laughter]
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>> Renewed. I feel better.
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>> I know I I see behind it. I know IT
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ALREADY.
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IT'S FAKE.
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>> [laughter]
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>> IT ain't fake, right? Uh but I I do love
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I appreciate. Tell Warren I said peace.
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>> That's my brethren. [clears throat] We
5:26
We've been in this business a long time,
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right? Um I want to talk about this
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movie
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because it's really interesting.
5:33
Citizens and I ask for folks, if you're
5:36
married and if you faced the challenges
5:38
of infidelity uh or
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adultery,
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>> Yeah.
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>> um how did you navigate through it? I
5:44
want to open up the phone lines. If
5:45
you've been cheated on or if you were
5:47
the one who cheated um and you're still
5:49
together. 888-742-3345.
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Erica, this is an interesting movie.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Um
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>> It's [laughter] scripture. It's the
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Bible. Thou shall not commit adultery.
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>> Thou shall not commit adultery.
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>> It's one
6:02
>> It's one of the 10 Commandments. And and
6:03
this is actually a series of all the 10
6:05
Commandments. So thou shall not lie is
6:06
coming up. Thou shall not steal. Thou
6:09
shall not kill. Thou shall not covet thy
6:12
neighbor's wife.
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That's so all of that is common.
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>> What does that mean? Covet thy
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neighbor's wife.
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>> I'm not looking at your wife going, man,
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I wish it was mine.
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>> Okay.
6:20
>> Wanting Wanting other people's stuff.
6:22
>> Wanting other people's stuff. These are
6:25
topics ironically that if you if you are
6:27
church going folk you should know,
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right?
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>> Yeah.
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But even if you don't go to church, you
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don't want nobody taking your stuff.
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>> That's right.
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>> If you're not a Christian, you don't
6:35
want nobody trying to kill you. Thou
6:37
shall not kill. Thou shall not steal.
6:38
You don't want nobody stealing your
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stuff. And so
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I think sometimes we compartmentalize
6:43
faith and church like it's this abstract
6:45
abnormal thing. A person that doesn't go
6:47
to church, you want those same things
6:48
for you. I don't I don't I don't I don't
6:51
want to be a known as a liar. Like you
6:52
know what I mean? I don't want to steal
6:54
other people's stuff. I want what's
6:55
mine. I don't want nobody to take my
6:56
stuff, you know?
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Um so yeah.
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>> I find this is these you know this
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particular topic isn't always brought up
7:03
in church, you know, especially black
7:05
church, right? And
7:07
from my experience
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>> Not any church. Not white church. Not
7:10
Asian church.
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>> Any church, right?
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>> Not Mediterranean Middle Eastern church.
7:14
[laughter]
7:15
>> Ain't nobody that and we know it's all
7:17
happening.
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>> There are there are some though. I can
7:19
honestly say the church that I grew up
7:21
in when they knew something happened or
7:24
you know, it came out, somebody would
7:25
get up and it wasn't it wasn't shame.
7:27
They didn't kick them out of the church.
7:29
They would ask for forgiveness. They
7:30
would say give us time while we walk
7:32
through this season. You know what I
7:33
mean? We didn't have to choose where's
7:34
the accountability partners. You know
7:36
what I'm saying? Like if you just throw
7:38
people away when they make mistakes,
7:39
you're going to throw everybody away
7:40
because the Bible says
7:42
everybody falls, right? For all have
7:44
sinned and fallen short of the glory of
7:46
God. There's nobody perfect. And when
7:48
you know that, you look at people
7:49
different. But we we
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>> We make gods out of people.
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>> Mhm.
7:52
>> You know what I mean? We make gods out
7:53
of our parents. We make gods out of our
7:54
[clears throat] spouses, even our
7:55
children. They'll never break my heart
7:57
because they love me too much.
7:59
>> Mhm.
7:59
>> But I think love is built for adversity.
8:02
Love is perfect for when somebody messes
8:04
up, cuz that's the only reason I'm going
8:05
to stick with you cuz I love you. If I
8:06
don't love you, I'm throwing you away.
8:08
>> Do you think based on this film, and I
8:10
don't want to give it all away, but do
8:12
you think there's sort of a
8:15
maybe like a double standard, Erica,
8:17
when the woman does the adulterying?
8:21
>> Mhm.
8:21
>> Because I think we're almost conditioned
8:25
to hear about men.
8:26
>> Right, and they're the only ones to
8:27
>> And they're the only ones to cheat.
8:28
>> So, here's the deal. When men cheat,
8:29
women get real loud.
8:31
>> Yep.
8:31
>> cheat, men get quiet and they leave.
8:33
>> Mhm.
8:34
>> And so, you don't have the The reason
8:36
ain't nobody talking about it cuz the
8:37
other side is like, all right, another
8:39
I'll take
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>> I'm
8:40
>> I'm going to go wear a girl. She is her
8:42
mission. It's on her page. You talk
8:43
about it every day. She got t-shirts.
8:45
>> She's on the other woman's
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>> It's my brand.
8:47
>> GoFundMe pages on
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>> She going to somebody house like, girl.
8:51
>> Yeah.
8:52
>> You know, and I don't think men go
8:53
through it that way. They may talk about
8:55
it to their circle, but they ain't
8:57
broadcasting. My girl cheated on me.
8:58
Nobody
8:59
>> Yeah, my wife
9:00
>> Pride issues though.
9:01
>> Mhm.
9:01
>> Absolutely.
9:02
>> A man don't want to have to admit that,
9:05
damn, my woman found somebody else.
9:08
Right? And I'd rather just
9:10
>> slide out of here
9:11
>> quietly and just find somebody else,
9:13
build another life.
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>> Yeah, and spite you for doing it.
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>> Right. Right.
9:17
>> So, the thing is, um, the conversations
9:19
that we've been having around this movie
9:20
is the silent leaks. The silent leaks
9:22
that happen in our marriages and
9:24
relationships that we don't acknowledge,
9:26
right? When you're offended, when you
9:27
don't like something, when you want
9:29
something, but you don't say something.
9:30
And so, it's like the love is literally
9:32
seeping out like a small hole in a tire.
9:35
And before you know it, your love is
9:37
flat because you haven't attended to it.
9:39
You kept going, "I will be all right. I
9:40
He didn't mean it. She didn't mean it."
9:42
And you keep going, and before you know
9:43
it, you go, "I don't even like you no
9:44
more."
9:45
And when you pay attention to those
9:47
silent leaks, and you have good people
9:48
around you, you can literally,
9:50
[clears throat] you know, put some air
9:51
in that tire, put some love, have some
9:52
conversations, apologize, be honest
9:55
about what you need to Cuz everybody
9:56
thinks it's always infidelity.
9:57
Sometimes, it's how you handle money.
9:59
You know, it's it's blended families.
10:01
It's, you know, how you handle the
10:02
family their access. When me and my
10:04
husband got married, he said, "What's
10:05
our number?" I was like, "What do you
10:06
mean?" He said, "What's our amount of
10:08
money that we will give that we don't
10:09
have to check in?" I was like, "Anything
10:11
over 500, we got to check in and make
10:13
sure it's good."
10:15
So, we had conversations. He said, "You
10:16
travel a lot."
10:18
"How many days do I get with you before
10:20
your family come over?" Now, I didn't
10:21
follow that rule. He would come home,
10:22
and it'd be a full party, all my nieces
10:24
and nephews, they'd be in the pool. We'd
10:26
all order food, and he just He would be
10:28
quiet. He wouldn't say anything.
10:29
>> That's a silent leak.
10:30
>> That's a silent leak.
10:31
>> I get it. Cuz it was disrespect. It
10:33
really was disrespect. And I was like,
10:34
"Well, I
10:35
>> love my family. And we married, but
10:36
you're not going to make me, you know."
10:37
I did all of that first. "What you
10:39
trying to say that you don't like my
10:40
family?"
10:41
He was like, "No, we just got married.
10:43
I'm trying to learn you for real."
10:45
You know what I mean? We got He was 25,
10:46
I was 28. We were very young. Um so,
10:49
we've learned how to love one another,
10:51
how to communicate, how to respect one
10:52
another. And a lot of times, people
10:54
don't say nothing. They just let it go.
10:56
And before you know it, that that leak
10:58
that silent leak.
10:59
>> Dr. Holly um has a a book coming out
11:02
called The Silent Leak on on June 6th on
11:05
Dr. Holly Carter. What When was the last
11:08
time you've had to apologize in your in
11:10
your marriage?
11:11
>> Uh
11:12
>> What was it about?
11:13
>> What did I apologize about? A few He
11:15
asked me to do something that I just got
11:16
caught up doing
11:18
what I wanted, and I gave him a little,
11:20
"Oh, I'm sorry." And he was like, "I
11:21
just I feel like you're not listening to
11:22
me."
11:23
He was like, "More often than not, I ask
11:25
you to do something, and you'll forget
11:26
because of whatever, the kids, you know,
11:28
work, or whatever." And he He like, "I
11:30
We both work, but I want to feel like my
11:32
wife listens to me. And I was like, I'm
11:34
sorry. And I made a I I literally made a
11:36
conscious effort to if I need to write a
11:37
note to remember what he said, like
11:39
something he asked me to do when I got
11:40
home or call or you know, business cuz
11:42
we got all these businesses and stuff.
11:44
And it'll be something important and
11:46
I'll be like, oh,
11:47
I was shooting some content or oh, you
11:49
know, Chris you know, I was on the phone
11:50
or you know, I went to lunch with mama
11:52
or you know, and so I think it's just
11:54
being attentive feels like you care.
11:55
It's the same way I feel about the trash
11:57
can conversation. People get real women
11:59
get real mad when they ask their husband
12:00
to do something and they don't do it in
12:02
a timely manner, right? And I'm a I'll
12:05
do it myself kind of you know what I
12:07
mean? I don't I'll take the trash out.
12:08
And he's like,
12:10
you just wanted some attention from me.
12:11
I was like, you right. I did. So he
12:14
literally in in the middle of my fussing
12:15
he came over and gave me a hug and said
12:17
I'm sorry. Squashed the whole thing.
12:19
>> Just like that?
12:19
>> We we're comfortable with I'm sorry.
12:21
He's Warren is actually really He Warren
12:23
is better with difficult more with
12:24
difficult conversations. He's better
12:26
than I am.
12:27
>> Okay.
12:27
>> Yeah, he's not He doesn't mind being
12:28
vulnerable. He doesn't mind apologizing.
12:32
Um,
12:32
yeah, and I think that's how we have
12:34
managed because early in our career our
12:36
career was priority.
12:37
>> It was priority, right?
12:39
>> We were We didn't even really celebrate
12:40
our anniversary. That's why this wedding
12:42
renewal, this vow renewal was so
12:44
powerful for us. We would celebrate
12:46
Valentine's Day cuz that's like when we
12:47
got engaged. That's when I told him I
12:49
was pregnant with Krista. Like
12:51
Valentine's Day is our thing and we
12:52
surprise each other every year. We swap.
12:54
So one year is him, one year is me. We
12:56
don't know where we going, what we
12:58
doing. I'll just say pack a bag, bring a
13:00
big coat, or bring some swimming trunks.
13:02
And we've done that since we that we
13:04
started dating that way.
13:05
>> Okay.
13:05
>> So Valentine's Day has always been our
13:07
thing, but not necessarily our
13:08
anniversary.
13:09
>> Uh-huh.
13:10
>> And so, I think that when you don't
13:12
celebrate the day that you committed to
13:14
one another, the day the day that you
13:15
stood before God, before your family and
13:17
friends and said, we locked in for life.
13:20
I think you can kind of
13:22
you that you can just that thread just
13:24
will just come a a loose.
13:26
You know what I mean? And that's what
13:27
happened. He was like, "I need you to
13:28
come home." I was like,
13:29
um, "Um yeah, I'm on tour. No."
13:32
>> Yeah.
13:32
>> And I had Crystal and I was out on the
13:34
road and I was I was gone.
13:36
>> thread came a little loose.
13:37
Which is uh interesting because in this
13:39
movie is the is the is the same thing,
13:43
right?
13:43
>> yeah. So, this power couple.
13:46
Yes, and he is he's got she's got a
13:48
podcast. She's got a book. He's making
13:50
her successful. Every time a caller I
13:52
mean, you know how it goes. You can get
13:53
callers that hate you. This caller comes
13:55
through and he he's tearing her up and
13:57
she's a little shaken by it. He's like,
13:58
"Oh, it's fine. The numbers are up."
14:00
Long as the numbers are up, he's fine.
14:01
And she's like, "I but I'm your wife."
14:03
>> Mhm.
14:03
>> He hires a bodyguard to keep her safe
14:05
and he keeps her safe.
14:06
>> Uh-oh. He keeps her safe. He keeps her
14:09
in a safe.
14:11
>> [laughter]
14:11
>> He keeps her in a position. He keeps her
14:13
everywhere. But but but the thing is the
14:16
thread is the husband was too busy
14:19
>> Yeah.
14:20
>> working and and that's when the silent
14:23
leak start happening. And then the wife
14:26
for the first time became the villain.
14:28
>> yet, but she wasn't that wasn't her
14:30
intention. You know what I mean? That
14:32
wasn't the She didn't even want the
14:33
security at
14:34
>> It didn't take her long.
14:36
>> Wow, Swish. The movie.
14:38
>> I'm watching a movie right now.
14:39
>> WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU, SWISH?
14:41
>> [laughter]
14:42
>> YOU ALL BURNING UP OVER THERE.
14:44
>> I'M NOT. NO, CUZ THIS IS A MOVIE that
14:46
men can appreciate. Men, we are not the
14:49
villain in this movie.
14:50
We don't hear that plot where the woman
14:53
is, you know, the villain.
14:55
>> I think my husband character has to take
14:57
a little bit of the blame for not paying
14:58
attention. I think that, you know, I
15:00
think there is a cause and effect. I
15:02
don't think it's a blame of who's the
15:04
most wrong. Of course, when you step
15:06
out, you violate the covenant. But I
15:08
think that the moment you stop paying
15:09
attention to her heart and you only are
15:11
paying attention to y'all's accounts,
15:13
you in danger.
15:14
>> Of her sleeping with another man,
15:16
though?
15:16
>> Of the leak.
15:17
>> I mean, jeez.
15:18
>> [laughter]
15:18
>> That's the leak.
15:19
>> to run to the next man's bed?
15:21
>> That's that's
15:22
>> always like Erica for me. That's always
15:24
like interesting. Why is it because
15:28
you're beefing or you don't feel loved
15:31
or you don't feel heard?
15:31
>> don't start out. I don't think you meet
15:33
somebody and lay down. You don't you
15:34
don't it's not the first day. You know
15:35
what I'm saying? You don't meet somebody
15:37
like that. It's that slow it's it's that
15:38
gentle are you okay? Like and you'll see
15:40
that in the film just just paying
15:42
attention. It's the woman who laughs at
15:44
all your man's jokes. It's the woman who
15:46
never questions and thinks everything he
15:47
says is amazing, you know? It's it's
15:50
>> that thing. I had a friend who was going
15:51
through it and she was telling me how
15:52
wonderful the dude was and I said,
15:54
"Girl, you ain't washing his clothes.
15:56
That's why it's wonderful."
15:57
>> Hello.
15:58
>> And nobody knows. It's a little
15:59
dangerous. It's everybody likes a little
16:01
danger. A lot of you know what I'm
16:02
saying? You hiding something. You get
16:03
this adrenaline, this rush, right? You
16:05
know it's wrong. We don't walk into
16:08
error. We rationalize ourselves into
16:09
error.
16:10
I deserve this. It's not a I'm going to
16:12
wake up and do wrong today. It's a I've
16:14
been doing right and it's taking a long
16:16
time. Like I
16:17
>> I need I need
16:18
>> And then somebody, you know, the the the
16:20
enemy will always make sure you have
16:22
what you need to make the wrong choice.
16:24
God has the right things in front of
16:26
you. It is your job to seek and search
16:28
search for truth and you being the best
16:30
version of yourself. Wrong is all around
16:32
you. It's up to you to decide what kind
16:34
of human being I want to be. Here's the
16:36
Here's the issue. Here's where it
16:37
happens. Generally nobody knows.
16:40
Nobody sees the conversations. Nobody
16:42
sees the I changed the account numbers.
16:44
Nobody sees, you know what I'm saying?
16:45
Your character is tested when you work
16:47
with a lot of money and you can say
16:48
that's theirs. I'm not touching it.
16:50
Right? You got a lot of integrity when
16:52
the person that you work with is fine.
16:54
>> I'll be like, "Oh, no, I don't cross
16:56
them lines."
16:56
>> Yeah. Yeah.
16:57
>> I don't have this story in the I don't
16:59
have this story in in the industry.
17:00
>> Yeah.
17:01
>> It ain't nobody that could be like, "Oh,
17:02
yeah, she text me some I don't I don't
17:04
rock like that."
17:05
>> You don't play around at all.
17:06
>> No. You ain't texting me, "Hey."
17:08
>> Yeah.
17:09
>> It's it's late, brother. Why you texting
17:10
me this late, bro?
17:11
>> Mhm. Yeah.
17:13
>> You know what I'm saying?
17:13
>> Yeah.
17:14
>> Where your wife, bro? Like nah, don't
17:16
mhm.
17:17
>> Bro is the neutralizer word.
17:18
>> Uh-huh.
17:19
>> [laughter]
17:20
>> And homie.
17:21
>> And homie. And homie.
17:23
>> But sometimes it's a scam. Right. You
17:25
got to learn Say it again.
17:26
>> You got to learn how to give a dap as a
17:28
woman.
17:29
>> Right. The side hugs. I give good side
17:31
hugs. I'm not pressing my I'm not
17:33
hugging I'm not full chest hugging you.
17:36
>> Yeah. I don't do that either though.
17:38
Like if somebody introduce me to their
17:40
to their wife, I don't even I barely
17:42
look you in your eye. You know what I
17:44
mean? I'm like, "Hey, how's it going?"
17:45
You know what I mean?
17:46
>> Well, I'm going to be human. Look me in
17:48
the eye.
17:49
>> I'm just saying, you know what I mean,
17:50
Tracy? I'm not even trying to
17:52
>> I mean, you know, and now the
17:54
accusations and people take one small
17:56
thing, they'll take a "Hey, how are
17:58
you?" "Oh my gosh, he's checking up
17:59
>> He was staring at my eyes. Nah, I'm not
18:02
doing it. Erica Campbell's here. We talk
18:04
Hey, [laughter] listen, this new movie,
18:05
Thou Shall Not Commit Adultery. Heather
18:07
said you're going to hell.
18:10
>> No.
18:10
>> [laughter]
18:11
>> June 6th on Lifetime. ALL RIGHT.
18:14
WE GOT We got Will on the line from
18:15
Dallas. Will, and and I'm opening up the
18:18
phone lines. 888-742-3345.
18:21
Man, if you've been cheated on
18:23
>> [laughter]
18:23
>> Stop pointing out that part.
18:25
>> That's how the movie is.
18:27
>> Cheated. JUST SAY
18:28
>> [laughter]
18:29
>> IS SOCIETY BEING MESSY?
18:31
>> HE MESSY.
18:32
>> He messy. But I Women do cheat better
18:33
than men. I do believe that.
18:35
>> greedy.
18:35
>> Wait a minute.
18:37
Women cheat better than men.
18:38
>> Absolutely. Y'all too greedy.
18:40
>> They do. They do.
18:41
>> They do, Will? Talk to us, Will. Will is
18:43
in Dallas. Talk to us.
18:45
>> To be honest with you,
18:46
to be honest with you, they do. Cuz one,
18:48
they don't leave they don't leave
18:50
trails.
18:51
We do.
18:53
>> Yeah.
18:53
>> They
18:54
>> Yeah.
18:54
>> We do.
18:55
We leave trails.
18:57
And the reason why we leave trails
19:00
because we don't expect to be caught.
19:04
They don't [laughter] expect to be
19:05
caught.
19:06
Yeah. So, let me just tell you, Erica,
19:10
appreciate you for this movie, and I
19:12
expect to watch it with my wife. Uh But
19:16
I want to comment on this. See, a man
19:19
that doesn't pay attention to his wife,
19:21
he's lacking.
19:23
If you pay attention to If you pay
19:26
attention to a mood or swing,
19:29
you lost something. You lost something
19:32
in the conversation.
19:33
I was learned and I was taught by my
19:36
grandfather. You learn something
19:38
beginning from when you walk in the
19:40
door. If she didn't say something the
19:43
same kind of way that you when you went
19:45
to sleep,
19:46
there was something in the conversation
19:48
that you missed.
19:50
It's always in the conversation. That's
19:52
how you attract a woman in the
19:55
conversation.
19:56
What's in your conversation?
19:59
So, there's nothing that a woman won't
20:01
do
20:02
if you talk to her.
20:04
If you conversate with her. That's why
20:08
Why would Why would another man be able
20:10
to If your conversation is not that
20:12
good, she ain't going nowhere.
20:14
>> And if your conversation is good, it
20:16
will stay on their mind.
20:18
>> That's where men are. There you are.
20:19
>> Really?
20:20
>> A good conversation A good conversation
20:22
like
20:22
>> Conversation is key.
20:23
>> Like a deep
20:25
>> to communicate. You have to
20:27
communicate.
20:29
>> For sure.
20:30
>> Uh I love this call. Hey Will, thanks
20:31
for calling, man. I appreciate that.
20:33
Make sure you support the movie and call
20:35
us next week and let us know what your
20:36
thoughts are. We got
20:38
In Your Citizen
20:40
We got Edmund in from New Mexico and
20:43
Edmund got cheated on by his wife. This
20:46
is true, right, Edmund?
20:48
>> Yeah, that's true.
20:49
>> Talk Talk to us.
20:52
>> I got married at a young age, you know,
20:53
it happens. I thought that material
20:56
meant more than
20:57
actually showing love and showing up.
20:59
So, eventually she found someone who
21:01
showed up.
21:03
We ended up divorcing, but out of that
21:06
divorce, I ended up getting my daughter
21:09
and I've been raising her for the past 7
21:11
years now, 6 years.
21:13
Uh my wife died or pretty much died to
21:16
us. Uh she wasn't coming around.
21:18
Uh I'm not the biological father. She
21:21
told me that, you know, she ran into
21:23
some things, but
21:24
you got to know who you marry at the end
21:26
of the day.
21:26
>> Yeah.
21:27
Wow.
21:28
Have you found love again?
21:31
>> Yeah, actually I did.
21:33
>> Good for you.
21:35
>> Yeah, most recently I'm I'm I'm grateful
21:37
for it.
21:38
>> What are you doing differently this time
21:40
around than what what you did last time?
21:43
>> I'm showing up
21:45
and following through.
21:47
>> Good for you. Well, God bless you and
21:50
your daughter. How's your daughter?
21:52
>> She's 6 years old. She'll be 7 this
21:54
year. We just started the first grade
21:55
this year.
21:57
>> What Oh, that's so sweet. All the best
21:59
to you. Thank you for calling. Thank you
22:00
>> And man, you're a super citizen, man.
22:01
Watch the movie, brother. You're going
22:03
to enjoy it. All right. All right.
22:04
>> Cassie, you want to jump in?
22:05
>> Yes, I got you. Erica, man, I love you.
22:08
Thank you for your transparency, for
22:10
your wisdom, for this film. I think it
22:13
took me less than 10 minutes to
22:15
officially lock in and it all started
22:18
with this line that Cassie says early on
22:21
and she's on the call and her words were
22:25
submission isn't oppression. Submission
22:28
isn't oppression and, you know, in 2026,
22:32
submission can spark such a debate
22:35
amongst folks, right? As we relate it to
22:37
independence, um gender roles that feel
22:41
like they're unevolved, etc., etc. So, I
22:44
would love for you to share with the
22:46
citizens what submission means to you
22:48
and if you think people often times
22:50
misunderstand it.
22:52
>> Yeah. Um well, scripture says submit to
22:55
one another, right? I'm submitted to
22:56
him, he's submitted to me. Um but there
22:59
I I do believe in God's order and
23:01
position. My husband is the head of the
23:02
house and I don't have a problem with
23:04
that. It doesn't diminish me, it doesn't
23:06
oppress me, it doesn't stop me from
23:07
being the fullness of all that I dream I
23:10
could be.
23:11
Um and he supports all those dreams. So,
23:13
I don't see it as a bad word. There are
23:14
a lot of people who can't handle that,
23:17
you know, can't handle, you know, a a
23:19
woman or a man for that matter with a
23:20
big personality. They're constantly
23:22
trying to suppress who they are. You
23:25
know what I mean? I I have some um guy
23:27
friends who have big personalities and
23:29
they're why why they're more quiet and
23:30
reserved. So, it's like, he's doing too
23:32
much. He's doing too much. I was like,
23:33
you you really want to suppress the the
23:35
beauty of this man's personality? Like,
23:37
y'all can be submitted to each other and
23:38
respect one another, but it doesn't mean
23:40
oppression. And I I really enjoyed that
23:42
line of the movie because that's what
23:44
people think it is. Submission means I
23:46
can't be the fullness of who I am. And
23:48
it does not mean that. It means that we
23:50
are like, if you're married and you're
23:52
locked in and you're doing life, you're
23:54
life marriage is legacy to me. Let
23:56
marriage is a a billboard for what God
23:59
can do when two lives come together, but
24:01
it's also a billboard for how you
24:03
overcome difficult things. And so, that
24:05
means submitting to one another. If my
24:07
husband has a problem with certain
24:08
things, we're going to talk about it. I
24:10
can voice my opinion fully, but at the
24:12
end of the day, we're going to submit to
24:14
one another. You know what I mean? Like,
24:15
he's he's that same way with me. So,
24:17
it's not one-sided. And we have to stop
24:19
looking at it. It's not Yes, it's not
24:21
one-sided and when you submit to one
24:23
another, it is a beautiful thing in your
24:25
relationship.
24:27
>> Wow. I will got Erica Campbell here.
24:29
888-742-3345.
24:31
Thou shall not
24:33
commit adultery.
24:35
>> Don't do it.
24:36
>> June 6th, 8:00 p.m. Central on Lifetime
24:39
Channel. Heather said if you do it, what
24:41
happens, Heather?
24:42
>> You going to hell.
24:43
>> Going to hell. Well, top 10. It's a top
24:44
10. You got to think about that, man.
24:46
Top 10.
24:47
>> I've never [laughter] heard anybody call
24:48
the the 10 Commandments the top 10.
24:50
>> It is. NO, WHAT'S WHAT'S WHAT'S MORE TOP
24:52
10 than the Commandments?
24:53
>> But you know what? When Jesus came and
24:55
the Pharisees and the religious people
24:57
were asking, "What's the most important
24:59
law?"
25:00
>> And he said, "The most important is that
25:01
you love the Lord your God with all your
25:03
heart, all your mind, all your soul
25:06
soul. And the next is as important, love
25:08
your neighbor as yourself."
25:11
And that's if you take that into these
25:14
rules and these laws
25:15
>> have to worry about the top 10
25:16
commandments.
25:17
>> Cuz I'm I'm loving God, so I'mma submit
25:18
to him. I'mma I'mma I'mma repent when I
25:21
need to, you know what I'm saying? And
25:22
I'mma treat my neighbor right.
25:23
>> So, Sway, you don't love yourself.
25:25
That's why you HAVING A HARD TIME
25:26
[laughter]
25:27
WHEN YOUR WIFE'S THIS FINGER IS EMPTY,
25:29
SWAY, there's some beautiful ladies out
25:32
here just like, "Yo."
25:33
>> [laughter]
25:34
>> That's what's happening.
25:34
>> He like, "What's happening on my show
25:36
right now?" What just happened, man?
25:37
>> It was scared you coming, Erica.
25:39
[laughter]
25:40
>> Erica's coming, Heather. I'm a little
25:41
nervous about this one.
25:43
>> She going to get me. She going to see
25:44
it.
25:44
>> She going to see right through me,
25:45
Heather. She going to see
25:47
>> [laughter]
25:47
>> Nah, but I love this. This is another
25:48
line in the movie that I thought was
25:50
interesting, too. Uh well, your
25:52
character, Cassandra, is getting fitted
25:55
for a dress and her and her assistant
25:57
says, you know, "Don't you think that
25:59
dress is a little too short?" And uh
26:02
your character, and I'm paraphrasing,
26:04
says something to the tune of, "Well,
26:06
empowered women
26:08
can love Jesus uh could women could be
26:11
empowered and love Jesus at the uh same
26:13
time, but also
26:15
can have a good time, right?"
26:16
>> Yeah.
26:17
>> What did that mean?
26:19
With a short skirt, how did that apply
26:20
to that?
26:21
>> wasn't short, it was tight.
26:22
>> Okay.
26:23
>> [laughter]
26:23
>> That's the difference.
26:26
Details.
26:27
>> better, Erica.
26:28
>> [laughter]
26:29
>> MY BAD.
26:29
>> NO, SO so that is the part of Cassie's
26:32
silent leak. When you start justifying
26:34
things that you know will help I always
26:36
say, "I want people to hear me, right?"
26:39
And sometimes when they see you, they
26:41
can't hear you cuz they they lusting.
26:43
So, sometimes you have to be mindful of
26:45
that. They'll see you when you walk in
26:46
the door, but your personality, your
26:48
spirit should be louder than the dress
26:50
you have on. And so, she was implying
26:51
that this dress is going to get some
26:53
attention and she didn't have a problem
26:54
with it. I think as a woman of faith, I
26:56
always
26:57
check myself before I leave the mirror.
26:59
If I look in the mirror and I'm going,
27:00
"Ooh, girl." I'll be like, "Well, maybe
27:02
not this dress." Or if I'm trying to
27:04
leave the house and Warren go, "Hold up
27:05
a minute." I'll be like, "Yeah, maybe
27:07
not this outfit." Not because I'm
27:10
you know, I I have a problem with my
27:11
body or my sexuality. I'm just mindful
27:13
of it. And as a woman of faith, you have
27:15
to be careful. Like, you know, there's
27:17
just certain lines you you shouldn't
27:19
cross. It does not mean you can't be
27:20
beautiful. I don't think sexy is a bad
27:22
word for a woman of faith, but I think
27:24
that you should be mindful and careful
27:26
of your attitude. Cuz sometimes you put
27:28
the dress on and you weren't really
27:29
thinking nothing. Like, that whole white
27:30
dress thing. I I had just had a baby. I
27:33
felt comfortable and it was this white
27:34
dress. It was fitting every curve and so
27:36
I had a juicy mama body and I felt
27:39
beautiful. But people said like, "You
27:41
She's trying to be She's trying to get
27:42
somebody's man." I already got one.
27:44
She's trying to I was like, "I just felt
27:46
cute in the dress." My mother was like,
27:48
"Ooh, that is so cute." My husband, "Oh,
27:50
that's great." But some people have bad
27:52
intentions. I can't control your
27:53
intentions.
27:54
>> Yeah, you did get a backlash.
27:56
>> I can't control people's intentions. I
27:57
have to feel good and comfortable in my
27:59
own skin and what I wear and how I
28:01
present myself to the world.
28:02
>> So there's nothing wrong with a man,
28:04
your husband, saying, "Hey, where you
28:06
going with that outfit on?"
28:08
>> I don't think there's anything I don't I
28:09
don't see that as control. It's the same
28:11
way if if if your man got muscles and he
28:14
always walk around with his shirt off,
28:16
when he leave he leaving with his shirt
28:18
[clears throat] off.
28:19
>> [laughter]
28:19
>> I'll be like, "Yeah, who are the Who are
28:21
you Who are your job? You know what I'm
28:22
saying?" So I think it's just a a matter
28:25
of of that cuz sometimes I do feel good
28:27
in it and he sees something different.
28:28
And so I'm like, "Well, babe, tell me
28:29
what you see."
28:30
It's very very rare. I It's very very
28:33
rare, but he does, you know, he'll say,
28:34
you know, um I don't know about that
28:36
one.
28:37
>> And you invite I think people the part
28:39
of it people don't understand how you
28:41
invite spirit and negative energy in
28:44
when you're doing that. You're not
28:46
keeping in mind what that brings to your
28:48
spouse, men or women, when you expose in
28:51
a way that they're not comfortable with
28:52
it. Again, it's not about that kind of
28:55
old No, it's just
28:57
No, it's not. It's just let's keep the
28:59
peace that we have in our union and not
29:02
purposely invite this outside energy and
29:04
these spirits into our union because now
29:07
we got another fight on our
29:08
>> Here's what happens. Your ego starts to
29:10
write up rise up. And when your ego and
29:12
your pride starts to rise up, you
29:14
rationalize like, "You ain't going to
29:15
tell me what to So then the compliments
29:17
make you feel better and the compliments
29:18
make you feel empowered." And that's
29:20
also part You got to just watch your
29:22
spirit. Watch your intention. Ego, e g
29:25
o, ease God out. That's what ego means.
29:28
It's all about me. It's all about what I
29:30
want. It's all about what I feel and and
29:32
and bump everybody else. You got to be
29:34
careful with that spirit when you go cuz
29:36
now you're on your own.
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>> Yep.
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>> And what got Satan kicked out of heaven?
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Y'all know Satan was in heaven, right?
29:41
What got him kicked out was his ego. He
29:43
was like, "I'm just as good as God."
29:44
>> Yep.
29:45
>> In heaven and he still stole a third of
29:47
heaven because that's how many people
29:48
struggle with ego and pride.
29:50
From heaven.
29:52
And so when I think about that, I'm not
29:53
surprised when I see people in church
29:55
that have it. I'm not surprised to see
29:56
people You know what I mean? It's it's
29:57
something we all have to combat. We all
29:59
have to keep our ego in check. We all
30:01
have to keep our pride in check. Like
30:02
imagine Think of your most the most
30:04
famous person. Everybody's telling you
30:06
great, wonderful, amazing.
30:07
>> Yeah.
30:08
>> You believe [clears throat] it. And
30:09
somebody that questions that, your ego
30:10
stands up before your heart does. You
30:12
know what I'm saying? So you just have
30:14
to watch the energy. Like why did I want
30:16
to wear this particular thing going this
30:18
particular place and I mean, it's like
30:20
you wouldn't you know your ex is
30:20
somewhere and you put the right dress
30:22
on. You put the freaking dress on.
30:25
I mean, I Listen, anytime I it was a
30:27
breakup time, I was so fine when it was
30:29
when I broke up. And if they went to
30:30
church with me, I knew I on purpose,
30:33
right? That's a bad spirit. It's a wrong
30:35
spirit. Yeah, cuz
30:36
but people do it every day. You know, I
30:38
want you to feel jealous. Honestly, that
30:39
means you still want them to want you,
30:41
but that's another conversation.
30:43
>> I love this. Erica Campbell making me
30:45
feel good today
30:46
>> [laughter]
30:46
>> about how I feel. I got real feelings.
30:49
>> honey?
30:49
>> Go buy a ring. I got real feelings.
30:51
>> [laughter]
30:51
>> Did you say go buy a ring?
30:52
>> I've done that before, Erica.
30:53
>> Oh, boy.
30:54
>> Didn't work out. JEFF'S ON THE LINE.
30:56
>> [laughter]
30:59
>> HERE YOU GO. THAT JEFF JEFF, MAN.
31:03
Y'ALL DON'T [laughter] You might want to
31:05
You might want to produce something
31:06
about my story. Okay, Lifetime. I'm a
31:09
Lifetime [laughter] movie. You love it.
31:10
You know you do.
31:11
It's my channel. Jeff, what you got to
31:14
say, man? Jeff's in Florida. What up,
31:15
Jeff?
31:16
>> Hey, Jeff.
31:17
>> Hey, hey guys. How are you doing? I
31:19
mean, this is the first time I've
31:20
actually been able to speak this way.
31:23
With Heather and Tracy. Hello.
31:25
>> Hey.
31:27
>> Welcome to the show, Jeff.
31:30
>> Hey, how you doing, guys? Yeah, you
31:31
know, I actually got cheated on.
31:34
And
31:36
um
31:37
after we broke up and divorced and
31:39
everything, I kind of went on a journey.
31:42
How I found out was I was cleaning the
31:43
bedroom one day and her diary fell on
31:46
the floor and just happened to open up.
31:48
So, I was like, oh.
31:49
>> Oh, wow, Jeff.
31:51
>> [laughter]
31:51
>> Happened to open up, Jeff?
31:52
>> Well, it's just like a Disney movie.
31:54
>> seriously. It did. It
31:56
fell on the floor and it opened up. And
32:00
um
32:00
I just I was like, oh, well, let me see
32:02
what's going on cuz I knew something
32:04
wasn't right.
32:06
So, I started reading and of course I
32:09
found out some things I didn't want to
32:11
know.
32:12
But
32:13
you know in the end it it kind of helped
32:16
me, too, because
32:18
I started going on my own journey and
32:21
you know, I realized, you know what? I
32:23
grew up with out my dad.
32:26
And I didn't have a lot of
32:29
effective male role models around. So, I
32:33
never knew
32:35
what a husband was supposed to do. I
32:37
knew what I thought what a husband was
32:39
supposed to do.
32:41
You know, and
32:43
instinctively I chose being a father
32:47
over being a husband. I thought as long
32:50
as I was bringing home money and helping
32:52
with the bills and helping with the
32:54
kids, I'm good. But, I realized later on
32:57
that after I went through my own
32:59
journey, it's like
33:00
I didn't take care of her the way I
33:03
should have.
33:04
You know,
33:06
and
33:06
>> Wow, way to be honest.
33:08
>> You know, yeah, and and that was on me.
33:11
You know, so
33:14
although she did me wrong, I did her
33:16
wrong, you know, in the eyes of
33:19
marriage.
33:21
You know,
33:22
>> So, you So, y'all didn't reconcile?
33:24
>> No, we did not.
33:26
No, we we didn't reconcile. It was
33:30
too far gone, unfortunately. You know,
33:33
so I just had to learn from that and
33:38
you know, it took us a little while, but
33:40
we became friends again, you know,
33:42
>> Good for you.
33:43
>> Yeah.
33:44
>> was was able to raise our two daughters
33:46
together, you know.
33:49
But, um yeah, I mean, it's just you
33:53
really have to think about and be
33:54
mindful about what you're doing and how
33:57
you're doing it, you know, because and
34:00
the other thing was was we didn't know
34:02
how to talk to each other because we
34:04
didn't see
34:05
what it is.
34:07
>> That's a lot of people's issue.
34:08
>> The communicate the communication,
34:10
right? And you spoke about that, too.
34:13
How communication
34:14
>> is everything.
34:15
>> is everything.
34:16
>> Listening with your heart and not your
34:17
hurt.
34:18
>> Uh-huh.
34:18
>> Listening with your heart and not with
34:19
your fists fists up trying to defend
34:21
yourself or trying to prove that you
34:23
didn't mean to do whatever you did, just
34:25
acknowledging it, you know, it's it's
34:26
takes a level of maturity. And none of
34:28
us know how to get married. There's a
34:29
million marriage books. But, when you
34:32
get in it, I don't care if you've been
34:33
married before, you've never been
34:34
married to this person before, and it
34:35
just takes time to learn what that's
34:37
like.
34:38
>> And this version of that person.
34:40
>> Yeah.
34:41
>> Because who you marry at 25 is not going
34:45
to be the same person at 30, not
34:46
[clears throat] the same as 35. Like,
34:48
you go through so many versions of
34:50
yourself, and then that person, and then
34:52
when you add kids to it, it all changes.
34:55
So, you have to keep that in mind. It
34:57
shouldn't make you afraid.
34:59
>> Right.
34:59
>> Like Erica said, you have to find that
35:00
way to communicate. You're not going to
35:02
be the same. You you just You shouldn't
35:04
be.
35:05
>> Yeah.
35:05
>> You know, why
35:06
>> grow and see it's seasons of who you
35:08
are. Your young season, your midlife,
35:10
your we got money now, different
35:11
[clears throat] from your broke season.
35:13
You know what I'm saying? We got kids
35:14
now, different than it was just us.
35:16
>> Caregiving, all of those things as your
35:18
parents. Yes, all of that takes a huge
35:20
part of it because
35:22
>> Struggling, siblings, and family
35:24
members.
35:25
>> Cuz you do marry the family, and and a
35:26
lot of times you don't think, well, that
35:28
that doesn't apply to us.
35:30
Stick around.
35:30
>> Stick around.
35:32
>> [laughter]
35:32
>> Stick around.
35:33
>> Erica, what The Thou Shall Not Commit
35:35
Adultery is premiering. I keep saying I
35:36
want people to watch it on Saturday,
35:38
June 6th, 8:00 p.m. 7:00 p.m. Central on
35:41
Lifetime.
35:42
>> 6/6/26.
35:43
>> Yep. Um what what do What do you hope
35:46
people receive from this project?
35:48
>> I hope that they
35:50
realize that you can come out of it. You
35:52
don't have to stay in the dark, you
35:54
know? Um and know that God forgives,
35:56
people don't always forgive, and be okay
35:58
with that. Be okay with starting over
36:00
and starting fresh.
36:01
You know what I mean? God gives
36:02
everybody a fresh start. Every morning
36:04
we wake up. We got another chance to to
36:06
be great today, to to do something
36:08
amazing. And so, I I hope they realize
36:10
that it is possible to to overcome. You
36:13
know, some people reconcile, some people
36:15
do not. Some people reconcile and
36:17
thrive. You know, after. And so, I just
36:20
want them to see the possibility, but I
36:21
hope this is a conversation starter for
36:23
a lot of people.
36:24
>> We appreciate you.
36:25
>> Yes.
36:26
>> Absolutely. Hope you had a good time
36:27
with us today.
36:27
>> I did. This is great.
36:29
>> Good. Good, man. You guys make sure you
36:31
support the movie and look for the
36:33
series.
36:34
You [laughter] know, they're going to be
36:34
talking about lying and
36:35
>> Which one you going to be in?
36:37
>> I don't know, Erica. What do you What do
36:38
you think I fit?
36:39
>> I don't know.
36:40
>> THOU SHALL NOT STEAL.
36:42
>> [laughter]
36:46
>> I'LL BE IN THAT EPISODE.
36:47
>> I'LL CANDIDATE for that one.
36:49
Hilarious.
36:50
>> I'll be in that one, man. [laughter]
36:52
But listen, that's that concludes our
36:53
show today. Erica, thank you very much.
36:56
You can reach her at I Am Erica
36:57
Campbell.
36:58
>> Yep.
36:59
>> Right to Warren, I said, "Peace." That's
37:00
my brother.
37:01
>> I will.
37:02
>> We go deep, man. We go back. We still
37:04
here, Warren. We still here, brother.
37:06
>> back with him.
37:07
>> Come back with him. That'll be great.
37:08
That'll be lit, too, right?
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