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Eli Roth On The Mass Slaughter Of Sharks With Discovery+ Documentary ‘Fin’ | SWAY’S UNIVERSE
Aug 16, 2021
Eli Roth’s first documentary spotlights industries that are leading to the death of more than 100,000,000 sharks each year, and could very possibly bring about their extinction. To bring his story of global scale to life, he traveled the world for five years, placing his lens on the mass slaughter of sharks by illegal fin traders, shark killing tournaments and others. Roth calls into Sway In the Morning to talk about 'Fin'.
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tracy g
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have to be salute to have the b hit her
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up right now had to be at the happy hour
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whb sending some love and emotion and
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affection and send her some good energy
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ace bizzle
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yes indeed took some time off
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um i want to see if michelle from
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oakland
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she's an environmentalist can call the
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show 888-742-3333
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um anyone who who who studies the ocean
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the study of the ocean anyone who
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studies
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the ocean right marine biologist all of
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that
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yes or oceanography if you're in the
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oceanography
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a marine biologist there's different
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types of oceanography
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we used to growing up i went to an
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amazing
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child care center called manzanita child
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care center it was
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elementary call medicine and on top of
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it they had a
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child care center that parents could
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safely
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keep their kids in that childcare center
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especially if you were
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growing up in a challenged environment
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with with limited resources
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they took in the kids in this child care
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center in it they taught us so many
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different things it remind me of the
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conversation we were having with zeke
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earlier who were doing this program
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about fishing
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and getting kids out of the earth out of
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the
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concrete jungle into the nature and
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there was a teacher named miss laughlin
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peggy laughlin i don't know if anyone
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knows peggy laflin out of oakland
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california she may i don't even know how
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old this woman would be right today
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uh she might be in her 70s i'm not sure
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beautiful woman
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caucasian woman uh drove a motorcycle
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wore a lot more shades kind of tough at
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least in my opinion as a you know five
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six seven eight nine ten year old kid i
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thought she was tough
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uh she was loving tough though she was
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the kind of tough that she knew she
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loved the kids that she was responsible
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miss stampley
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uh mr buchanan all these uh different
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people that worked
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um at this at this um child care center
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that i'm remembering
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right now i'm sure i'm sure my um my
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brother
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at some point will uh call text me some
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of these names but one of the things
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they did
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is they used to take us to stinson beach
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stenson beach yeah in california and
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um and they would take us actually to
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monterey
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to to see the elephant seals
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and we would go and learn about the
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elephant seals and their migration
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and we would we would uh talk about the
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ocean and the importance of the ocean
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and what role every animal plays the
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elephant still plays a role
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uh you know a crab plays a role
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a shark plays a role a whale plays a
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world
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plankton feeds the whole thing yes you
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know
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plankton plays a role and so eli roth we
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were talking about sharks
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and the importance of sharks i don't
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know if people realize that there are a
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hundred million sharks that are
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killed every year 100 million sharks are
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killed every year equates to 274
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000 sharks
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i want to say a month okay and kills how
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is that is that true a day 200 274
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7 000 an hour 11 000 an hour eleven
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thousand an
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hour and the sharks play such an
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important role
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in our global ecosystem so our good
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friend
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good friend of ours man i wanna give
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this man a round of applause he did
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something so great for us
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bb can you do the honors and just run
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down a litany of just all the major
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accomplishments this man has made would
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you db please
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man with great pleasure i have been
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waiting to meet this guy i've been a fan
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of his because
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i love horror i'm a huge horror fan and
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i loved everything he's done from cabin
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uh cabin in the woods uh i'm sorry uh
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okay
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yeah cabin fever
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the sequel and the original hostile
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hostile part two the green inferno
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knock knock he put us in death wish
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which i am indebted to him for because
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i never thought i would see myself in a
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movie let alone be in a movie with bruce
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willis one of my favorite actors
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but i have to thank him personally thank
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you so much and if you ever need
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somebody to say reaper alert reaper
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alert call me up i got you
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eli is amazing you guys are so good in
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the movie
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eli roth is here and he is the filmmaker
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behind this documentary we're talking
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about
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it's called finn uh please welcome him
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to the show first time citizen eli roth
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evelyn eli what's up
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everybody thank you heather's not with
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us today but she's here in spirit tracy
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and db how you doing brother i'm doing
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good man it's so good to
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to finally be on the show man i i can't
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tell you and i owe you guys a huge debt
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because you were such a
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such a pleasure to have you in death
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wish and you came in
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and i remember i just gave you some
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parameters and you guys shot it yourself
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and you did your dialogue and it
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it couldn't have come out better it
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really grounded the whole movie and
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every time it's on and that it's like i
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know it runs all the time on cable and i
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see that scene and
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i see you guys in it it's really like
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you know everything you see in the movie
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is so
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on point i just thought it really really
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grounded the movie in such a smart way
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so thank you thank you all for being
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part of it oh thank you
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you know eli is a fan of the five
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fingers of death he likes the freestyles
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yes i did i hear that hey eli let me say
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this first of all
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i think this uh i want to i know you and
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you're in italy and you're limited on
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time so
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i want to get straight to this
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documentary even when you watch the
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trailer it's just the trailer alone is
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only like two and a half minutes but
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within that two and a half minutes
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i'm i'm so emotionally affected you know
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just from the information
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what possessed you to do finn what
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what made you want to do this well you
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know how it is like sometimes
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you feel like you this subject gets in
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your head and you go how come no one's
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talking about this and that happened to
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me
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when discovery asked me if i wanted to
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host a talk show for shark week now i'm
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a shark week nerd so i was more than
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happy to do it
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and they said well we'll send you know
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the master of horror diving and i was
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grew up in boston so i was terrified of
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sharks and i'm the jaws generation so
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i always believe the shark's gonna eat
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me every time i'm swimming and there are
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very few moments in your life where your
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whole
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system of belief shifts and i was like
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oh my whoa i had no idea
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that sharks were so intelligent
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sensitive cautious
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really really interesting animals with
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different personalities
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and i fell in love with them and then i
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realized that we're killing 100 million
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a year
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and you hear that number you think 274
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000 a month but it's 200 000 a day
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at 11 000 an hour and that's the
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conservative estimate and i was like but
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how is this possible
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for soup what is this and so i said i
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want to make a film
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where me not a scientist you know
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non-marine biologist just as someone who
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tells stories
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trying to understand the global shark
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trade and what i learned was so shocking
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and so horrible
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it's basically this giant ponzi scheme
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that that
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makes a billion dollars a year off
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killing this animal that's so important
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to all of us
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because basically sharks are the doctors
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of the sea
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they are responsible for eating the sick
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and dying fish they stop
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disease from spreading and they keep the
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ocean imbalance which keeps the algae in
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check
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and the ocean produces half our oxygen
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so sharks are literally responsible
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for half the air we breathe so it's it's
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cra
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okay so the sharks when their sharks are
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there
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they keep the check on the grouper and
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the grouper eat the parrotfish
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so without sharks you have too many
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grouper because the sharks don't keep
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them so they eat all the parrotfish well
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the parrotfish eat the algae
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so now you have the the grouper and the
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algae grouper don't eat algae the algae
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blooms
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and then you have phytoplankton and kelp
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and the phytoplankton kelp are producing
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that that's the underwater plant life
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that's producing our oxygen when the
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algae layer
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is a foot thick it can't get sunlight
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and the oxygen can't get out so the
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oceans turn acidic
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so that's actually but when sharks are
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there they actually keep
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you know it's just the presence of a
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shark can keep the grouper alone out
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with so the parrotfish are there so they
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can eat the algae
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it's this delicate balance of the
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ecosystem that we're just
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decimating and then when i saw what it
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was for that's what's even crazy
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the soup is completely tasteless these
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shark cartilage pills are complete
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fake science they actually inflame your
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joints the shark liver oil squalene is
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used in makeup and lipstick and there's
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a plant alternative made from sugar cane
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and olive oil so the whole and then meat
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is mislabeled and sold to the poorest
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people in the world and in america
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in supermarkets where they call it rock
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crab like they make up terms for it
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it's sold in fish and chips in australia
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basically anytime a shark is pulled out
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of the water
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someone's making money from it the
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populations are down 90 percent within
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10 years that could be gone
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and our kids will have an ocean without
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sharks uh which is it's going to be
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catastrophic so
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so i just felt like if we don't do
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something and say it's like 50 years ago
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the world came together and said why are
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we killing our whales we have to save
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the whales
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we did it we looked at orcas and said we
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can't keep them in tanks we pass laws in
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california
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if we don't do something now and speak
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up against the shark trade of which
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there is
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hundreds of millions of propaganda
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saying everything's fine you can eat
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shark don't worry it's all a complete
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lie it's like the tobacco industry in
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the 60s and 70s
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uh if we don't start having a
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consciousness about it and saying why
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are we killing all of our sharks
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what are we doing there's no reason they
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should be out of the water uh they're
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going to be gone
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you it when you watch the trailer by the
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way finn is exclusively on discovery
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plus
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okay um and there's a free seven-day
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trial if you don't have it so
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boom there you go all right um how
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when i think about the black market i
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think about
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you know i think about ivory i think
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about furs
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you know off of seals i you know i think
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of just different
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animals tigers that have been killed for
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their bone marrow
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you know where does shark the black
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market on shark fins where does that
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rank in terms of it's so it's so bad i
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mean there's
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and this is one of the things we do
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where i get on one of these ships one of
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these pirate vessels was sea shepherd uh
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i didn't know anything about this i mean
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there's there's human slavery you're
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sporting human human trafficking
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basically
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there's a mafia the galician mafia they
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call them out of spain
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they'll flag they'll have a shell
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company in portugal that they'll flag
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to another african country basically
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they'll take a ship and hide where its
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origins are
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go into the poorest countries in the
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world like liberia like robertsport
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and it's like in 18 days they can wipe
10:35
out the shark population
10:37
so there are things like leonardo
10:39
dicaprio his company partnered with
10:41
global
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with google to create skynet to pirate
10:43
these votes but there's thousands of
10:44
these
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these pirate boats from japan china all
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over the world
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spain that are going out and stealing
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people's fish
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they take everything they just they gill
10:53
net we show it in the movie they
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basically drop a wall of net
10:57
and just scoop up everything so there's
10:58
no ocean life some of it's fish and then
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they just cut off the shark's fins throw
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them back but there's
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it's it's crazy and they're the thing is
11:05
that they they try to protect and
11:06
regulate the trade but really we
11:08
shouldn't be trading them at all
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is the bigger problem but it's it's
11:11
being run by the mafia then the sailors
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they get the fishermen like when i went
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on the boat
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i mean they're living in squalor these
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are imagine they go to the poorest
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poorest people in africa
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and say come work on this boat we'll
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give you work they put them there for
11:23
three years at sea
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they say we're going to pay you 10 a
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month and then they'll say sorry we
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didn't catch enough we're not going to
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pay you
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and if the people complain they just
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throw them overboard and then there are
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people that are supposed to
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wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
11:34
wait wait wait wait wait wait hold up
11:36
what was that
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if the workers complained for not
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getting paid they get thrown
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overboard over the ship yeah
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yeah wow slavery no this is there's
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there's like sea shepherd look at it
11:51
look at ocean aids and sea shepherd
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there's
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there's it's crazy i saw it i mean i was
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on the boat with these people
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they're the poorest these are the
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poorest poorest people that are working
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and it's it's human slavery i mean it's
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human trafficking that's that's what
12:04
they do i mean we're talking about
12:05
mafia run companies so then often uh if
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the ship gets caught they'll scuttle
12:10
their own ship they'll just sink the
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whole ship
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just so there's no record of who had it
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um it's it the fish are the easiest
12:16
thing in the world to launder
12:17
you know another thing is that when you
12:18
have illegal fins like once a fin is
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dried out
12:20
fin has no taste it's cartilage it's
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like fingernail once it's dried out and
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been bleached and they scrub them with
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bleach they're lying in
12:27
dog excrement it's disgusting you can't
12:29
tell what species it came from
12:30
and less than one percent of the
12:32
containers coming into hong kong are
12:33
checked so
12:34
the whole thing is this it's this the
12:36
whole thing is a lie
12:37
it's a billion dollar trade and and
12:39
hundreds of millions of dollars are
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spent to keep it that way politicians
12:42
are bought off
12:43
the eu subsidizes these ships that are
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pirate vessels it's
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the whole thing is such a mess and so
12:48
unbelievably corrupt that really the
12:49
only way to stop it
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well there's two things on
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finnthemovie.com i put a button where
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people can write their rep
12:54
to band to help ban the shark fin trade
12:56
which is a bill that's going before the
12:58
house soon
12:59
but really we have to just stop buying
13:00
the product like the ivory trade the
13:02
only way to really stop it is if
13:03
everyone says we're not going to buy
13:04
shark
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but you have to check your makeup
13:06
products and it says squalene you have
13:08
to say
13:08
are you shark or plant because the
13:10
lobbyists have gotten in there so that
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no one has to say it
13:13
um what's crazy is that shark basically
13:15
one shark if it's dead they'll sell it
13:17
for 30
13:18
but in the bahamas sharks are protected
13:20
they've had nearly a billion dollars in
13:21
shark tourism
13:22
and they've estimated that a single
13:24
shark can be worth 250
13:26
000 over the course of its lifetime in
13:28
dive tourism
13:29
so really we should be putting our
13:30
efforts into helping these fishermen
13:32
and villages there's some people that
13:34
are doing it reggie domingo charcoal
13:35
madison
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flipping to dive tourism which is an
13:37
evergreen industry but
13:39
really unless we all speak up and stop
13:41
buying the sharks i mean when you buy
13:42
shark you are buying into human slavery
13:44
it's awful
13:45
and none of us have any idea and they
13:47
don't want us to know there's a lot of
13:49
money spent on propaganda
13:50
to say like everything's fine what are
13:52
you talking about there's no problem
13:53
it's like the tobacco industry
13:55
eli roth is here we're talking about
13:57
finn go to finntomovie.com
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if you want to stop this the shark trade
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eli i got about three callers i got to
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take for you they they just as soon as
14:04
you
14:05
they heard your voice yeah eddie and dc
14:08
you have a question
14:09
hey eddie yes wait hey hey guys hey sway
14:12
eli thank you for what you're doing
14:14
what can we do politically like through
14:16
social media
14:17
to get our elected leaders when they sit
14:19
down with the chinese leaders and say
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hey
14:21
cut it out with the fins we need to stop
14:23
this what can we do is there a hashtag
14:26
there is well i mean look it on
14:27
finnthemovie.com first thing we have to
14:29
do is police our own backyard like
14:31
we can go over to china and say stop it
14:32
but u.s is the seventh largest export
14:34
we're selling all our fins to china
14:35
they're
14:36
they're our biggest customer so we have
14:38
to say like
14:39
look on my instagram at real eli roth
14:41
there are shark fin kill tournaments all
14:43
up and down the east
14:44
coast uh they're they happen in long
14:46
island i mean they're happening in
14:47
montauk they're happening in nantucket
14:48
you can go to those sponsors they
14:50
look siriusxm had their name on one in
14:52
ocean city last week and just go to the
14:54
sponsors and go this is decimating they
14:56
don't know
14:56
by the way i'm not blaming seriously
14:58
they're told everything's fine
15:00
they're like hey look it's a charity
15:02
fishing contest shark is the prize like
15:04
and then they go to the stuff they go
15:05
well sharks are healthy
15:07
it's all a lie so we have to speak up
15:10
but going to findmovie.com there's a
15:11
button where you can write your rep and
15:13
say please pass the sharkpin sales
15:14
elimination act
15:15
and then it's doing things like going on
15:17
fedex's social media and saying please
15:20
stop
15:20
shipping shark fin because fedex is
15:23
making money
15:23
off the death of sharks dhl stopped
15:25
shipping it other carriers have stopped
15:27
shipping it
15:27
fedex is still shipping sharks so until
15:30
we all say
15:31
fedex we're giving you your money and
15:32
you're shipping shark
15:34
we're going to find other carriers you
15:35
got you got to help us out be part of
15:37
this
15:37
we need to encourage people to be part
15:39
of the solution and then when they flip
15:41
over
15:41
then support them in a big way so that
15:43
businesses are incentivized
15:45
to no longer carry shark or to switch
15:46
from shark squally into plant squalene
15:48
which is actually cheaper
15:50
hey eddie thank you for your call bro
15:52
you know you're a citizen eddie in the
15:53
morning
15:54
okay cool we got uh kyle um who
15:57
you actually work in oceanography kyle
16:00
what's your job
16:02
no so not not necessarily there i
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actually called you guys this morning
16:05
because uh because my neighbor on the
16:06
olympic thing but
16:07
um one i'm a wildlife removal specialist
16:10
down here in tampa florida
16:12
i help people that have um issues of
16:15
native animals getting close to their
16:17
property we do work a lot with people
16:19
that have sharks in their canals
16:20
especially with red tide down here in
16:22
florida which is a big thing
16:23
um eli i just want to say you know good
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job with everything you're doing real
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quick
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um you know riding out to the shark fin
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sale sales elimination act
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is a huge thing and i know you were
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talking with dr reece halter who's a
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phenomenal
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environmental specialist um just great
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people out here and you know we we
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definitely see a lot of that down here
16:43
you know florida is a huge market for
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shark sales
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um restaurants number one number one in
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the country that's why
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florida can ban it and rubio killed the
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bill the last time so florida bans it
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that'll go a long way because it's the
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hub of shark trade in the us
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and we're writing it out to desantis i
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know that that we have a lot of people
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that are big advocates for uh for the
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sharks down here so
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we're going to keep pushing man i i
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support what you're doing and um you
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know like i said we
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we do see a lot of it so set them up up
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to you guys
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you're the man bro you'll always be the
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best no we all are everybody's voice is
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equal everybody's voice counts
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the fishing industry wants you to think
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that you're small that your voice
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doesn't matter and it's not true
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everybody's voice counts there you go
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hey kyle you're a citizen man
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in the morning and he was talking about
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aryan knighton the 17 year old eli
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that's running in the olympics right now
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he's
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running at 200 meters is this guy's kyo
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neighbor
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so um cool yeah man that's pretty cool
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kyle uh have a good day james in the atl
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you want to say something
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what up james yeah what's going on uh
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tracy g
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sway uh eli rob uh good morning sir can
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you bring attention to the fact that
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million people
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millions of people are buying scallops
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at high prices and it's actually not
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scallops it's shark meat
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it's wet it's shark made in whale oh god
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it's horrible
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you have to ask when someone brings you
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scallop i learned this recently
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when someone brings you scallop you have
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to ask for it in the shell
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because what they're doing is they're
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taking whale meat and shark meat which
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is
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32 times a shark alone is 32 times the
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allowable mercury
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you're supposed to eat scallop it's
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shark meat and whale meat
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we are being lied to you have to make
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sure it's locally stored substantively
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stored
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when if you order scallops you have to
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see the shell before they cook it
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otherwise
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chances are you are eating shark or
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whale meat it's it's really terrible
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thank you for bringing that up james
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james you're a citizen we appreciate it
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hey eli listen this is uh i can't wait
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to
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watch the film in its entirety citizens
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i want all of you to support
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it go to filmthemovie.com uh
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be active be involved this this affects
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us all i think eli did an excellent job
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in explaining to you how
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and when you come back to town man when
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you when you leave i know you're working
18:55
but when you come back
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to town you got to come back come on the
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show man come back on the show
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i don't want all right it's long overdue
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i can't wait to do that we'll look and
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we'll have a good time and have some
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laughs
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thank you so much congratulations this
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is amazing we're going to support the
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movement tell
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nina to leonardo we're going to support
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the movie and when you do come by the
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show bring a verse
19:14
bring 16 bars you're going to wrap i
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will i will i will have them ready
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i'm ready all right eli roth ladies and
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gentlemen finn
19:21
the movie is on discovery plus be safe
19:24
brother thank you for the work okay
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my man absolutely man jeez
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you
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