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May 24, 2021
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Davey D & Jeff Chang Talk Can’t Stop Won’t Stop: A Hip-Hop History
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new york had developed a love for the
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breakbeats but in california
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dancers reacted to the sound of the base
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ladies and gentlemen those voices right
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there
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icons in their own right living legends
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walking tracy oh yeah
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you spoke of one of them can you do the
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honors please
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oh absolutely we have someone who was a
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part of my
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college course okay he is a historian
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and we don't say that with any type of
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hyperbole
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a real historian someone who has
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chronicled
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hip-hop this culture the music the
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people
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for so many different years i was
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introduced to him back
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in 2005 when this very book that we were
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celebrating first dropped
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can't stop won't stop a history of a
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hip-hop of the hip-hop generation i'm
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speaking about
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none other than the iconic jeff chang
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jeff chang jeff chang
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[Applause]
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so important bro so important wow i'm
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staring at my copy right now i got it
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with me
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i never sold that bad boy
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thank you for that appreciate that and
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joining him as i said
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is uh one of the first people to ever
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interview me in fact i think he was the
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first person to ever interview me and
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king tech together
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uh formerly of the tdk crew the total
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death crew and the avengers
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uh before he picked up the pin just to
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write you know just to write down
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history he was also an
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mc in fact back in the day you could
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catch him spit in the same verse for the
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for about 10 years straight he had one
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verse a hot 16 that he always spit
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[Laughter]
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like it was the first time he ever spit
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it
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internationally today yeah spike spit it
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today intellectually known
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journalist uh professor historian talk
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show
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man man of the people activists we've
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done community work together community
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activism
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um he's often say my mentor i've always
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been able to call him and he'll pick up
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the phone on any day
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and even the last time we talked we
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shared some really personal
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stories about the legendary shot g and
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it was
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therapeutic davey d to sit and talk with
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you as long as we did
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about shock's impact on the bay area and
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just the music
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the world of music abroad we got the one
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and only dave v
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d cook ladies and gentlemen with us
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listen citizens so listen
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before we get started i know this word
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this phrase this term hip-hop
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is applied to almost everybody's career
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everybody's platform everybody's
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vernacular
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we say the word so much but i don't
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think we actually
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talk about the culture we say hip-hop
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more than we say anything about the
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culture in this history and
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it's very important that we record and
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document our own history where we tell
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our own stories and it has to be
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accurate
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it has to be exact and there's a few
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people out there that
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it's a lot of us that are still here
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that help
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write this and architect this history we
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talk about cool herc i literally was
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with cool herc what's today
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uh what's today thursday thursday yeah
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monday
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i joined cool herc for three hours in
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the juice bar up in the bronx zone
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on white plains road off of gun hill
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road and we
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swap stories for at least three hours as
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we talked about the tea connection and
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all these different clubs that he
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started at and rocked at
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he's here he's a living legend we have
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to put the spotlight we have to
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acknowledge these people our
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forefathers and mothers that helped laid
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the foundation
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so a lot of people that tune into this
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station
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you love hip-hop you love the culture if
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you love the culture i want you to call
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up
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right now three three 888-742-3334 five
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there would be no shade four
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five there would be no eminem if it
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wasn't for this culture there would be
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no hip-hop
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nation we have a channel called hip-hop
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nation
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if it wasn't for this culture these
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mantras these
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slogans that these terrestrial radio
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stations use
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the home of hip-hop the house that
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hip-hop built
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all of these hip-hop hip-hop but we
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don't really
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dig deep into the culture hip-hop to
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most people is what's charting on
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spotify or pandora
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that's not all that this culture
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encompasses and these guys have done an
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excellent job at documenting our history
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especially with this new edition
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of can't stop won't stop a hip-hop
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history young adult edition so i'm gonna
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open up the phone lines
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any question anything you're curious
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about
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i want y'all to try to stump these dudes
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jeff chang and david
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call us up who's tuned in right now if
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you really about this
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culture 888-742-3345
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we're gonna have a culture dive so if
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you're really about it
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talk to us gentlemen welcome to the show
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welcome to the show
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thank you you're clearly gonna be like
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doing a pop quiz type of thing today i
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thought we were just gonna
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hang out and catch up and all that but
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now now i'm a little nervous
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nah you'll be all right you wrote it
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[Laughter]
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okay so now we're on the young adult
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edition
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jeff chang what is the difference
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we had to update it for a new generation
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so
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you know we the the as tracy knows the
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last book kind of ended
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in 2000 and a lot has happened since
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2000 so
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we had to bring it all the way up to
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date right through last year the
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pandemic
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the uprisings you know after george
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floyd um
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all of that we have to kind of include
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that so it's about you know it's about
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60 70 brand new stuff because there's a
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lot to talk about
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how long did it take you uh to gather
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the information
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and then how did you decipher what was
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book worthy and what wouldn't what would
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you not what would you omit from it
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uh that's i'm gonna kick that to dave
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actually
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okay davey d um
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i think the main thing was that we
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wanted to continue
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with the main themes of the first book
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which was it looked at the emergence of
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hip-hop from a political social justice
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lens
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um dates and times and names those are
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almost interchangeable
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if you don't have a political context in
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which things come about
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and so what we looked at was what was
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kind of
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you know what was the backdrop over the
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last 20 years
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and what we found was it was still
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police brutality
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it was still income inequality it was
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still
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racism there was still sexism there was
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still all these challenges that young
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people
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were faced with and also people in our
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own generation
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and then we started to look at the moves
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that people were making
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to combat that so we looked at the
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political hip-hop
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convention in 2004 2006 and 2008
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we looked at rhodes of clemente running
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for you know vice president with cynthia
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mckinney we looked at
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the oscar grant movement we looked at
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ferguson but we also juxt pose that
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with the cultural expression that
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hip-hop was
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you know uh demonstrating to the world
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as these challenges came in the
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forefront and so
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that's how we kind of situated things to
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make sure that people had
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an understanding that our expressions
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were a continuum
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that they were uh responses
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a lot of times to the challenges that we
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were facing
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and that there were people that were
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crafting their own solutions that nobody
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was ever sitting back
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and waiting for the cavalry to come
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hip-hop was the cavalry
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and you know and it continued on we took
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it all the way up to the last election
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george floyd the pandemic and we showed
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how hip-hop stepped out
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and and blazed the path for millions of
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people
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yeah go ahead no that's powerful i'm
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glad that you guys are sharing all of
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this and we have you especially for
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hip-hop appreciation week you know the
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both of you guys spoke on and jeff you
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kicked this off when you were talking
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about
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framing this history around um the
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political
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aspect of it and it's so interesting
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because i'm just remembering now
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i want to say it was the new york times
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i believe
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um but one publication used that as
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their main
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source of criticism against um the first
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book
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you know and and and thought that
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because
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it had this um revolutionary aspect that
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was brought to it that is very important
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clearly
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to all of us it took away from a focus
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on the music
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what did you feel about that critique
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yeah i mean thanks for bringing that up
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because you know it was one of those
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things that
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used to really get get me angry about it
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all but you know the book is still
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here all these years later because
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you know time has shown you know 25
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million people in the streets have shown
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uh that all of this stuff is
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interrelated and i think that at that
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time it was just sort of the equivalent
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of
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you know shut up and dribble you know
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what i mean like
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just just stay in your lane just talk
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about
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how this makes us happy um right that
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kind of thing
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and the and the thing about it is is
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we've always
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you know you me all of us here uh we've
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all
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kind of taken hip-hop as
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as not just the soundtrack of our lives
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not just the kind of stuff that we get
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up to on the weekend but
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um as telling the truth and as something
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that's carried
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the stories that don't get told in the
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media
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all the time you know up to the
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forefront and then
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you know we have moments like we're in
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now where
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it's clear you know the artists the
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people in the street
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uh you know the folks who are writing
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his
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uh have a lot of knowledge to share
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that most of the world doesn't know
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about and that are the keys for us to
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be able to survive as as a community as
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a society so
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uh so we we took it very seriously and i
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think you know
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it time is kind of boring it out time is
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time
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it's still the test of time right that
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makes sense
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that makes sense um i want to ask you
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about
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uh hip-hop on a global basis you know
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i recall years ago davey we used to have
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conversations
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uh and we used to kind of context the
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culture
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into tribes almost you got the southwest
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tribe you know in terms of the music at
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least you got the south tribe of the
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you know the wrap-a-lot records you got
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the west coast tribe of the
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ruthless records or even the 75 girls
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records or busted records you know and
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the country was kind of uh you know
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divided into tribes into regional tribes
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when we start seeing hip-hop grow on a
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global basis i recall having a
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conversation
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i was in 2006 in paris and i got into an
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argument with folks from paris b-boys
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from paris about where it all began
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and for some reason those kids thought
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it started in paris
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right and so we had this conversation
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man and
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it almost got physical like these kids
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wanted to fight me over it right
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dead ass serious and i was like damn i'm
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in paris by my why was with mtv
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doing a a piece about parisian hip-hop
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and it took me going to i said who's the
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oldest b-boy
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in this circle and the oldest one came
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up
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and i said hey man how long you been
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dancing he told me how long he was
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dancing it was like from the 90s
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i said who did you learn from and he
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said i saw a video clip of prince ken
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swift from original rock steady crew
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and that's where i learned but and then
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it kind of you know it
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the the kids around kind of got up it
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kind of took the air out of them but i
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found it fascinating
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how how committed they were to believing
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that hip-hop started
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then right there in paris how did
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when did it start growing like how did
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it grow from the united states
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to europe to france who was traveling
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who were the first
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who were the first nomads that took it
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to all these places in planet these seas
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well i i think that that's a layered
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question
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because it's not an evil or it's both
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and what i mean is that sure you have
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rock steady
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you had that first uh tour um with
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people like bambada and others that were
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going around
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and they were very intentional about
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showing people what they were doing
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the reason why you could go to different
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places and they could feel
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that this came from where they were at
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is that these expressions
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the oral tradition of rapping uh the
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dance movements that we do
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um the percussion you know which showed
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up in the form of break beats
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but drum cultures all around the world
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many people when they
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saw these expressions they looked at it
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and they said oh
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that reminds me of what so-and-so used
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to do and so they were able to
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immediately
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lock in and add their own slavery so
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let's kind of take you back to oakland
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where we're from where you're from
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the reaction to hip-hop when i first
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came out here wasn't necessarily people
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being enamored with new york
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it was like oh yeah these dances are
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cool but we got our own dances here
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and we can add some of this stuff to it
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that rap stuff
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that's like my uncle who used to do that
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dolomite pimp talk
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and the point that i'm getting at is
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that these expressions have been around
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in communities for a long time hip-hop
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was just the catalyst
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for a new generation so i'm not
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surprised that if you were in paris
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people would see it that way
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because i saw it when i was in nigeria
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people would see it that way
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you know or when i mean when i was in
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nairobi people would see it that way
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because they could take it back and say
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these expressions are similar
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with that being said there was a thing
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called hip-hop that comes out of the
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bronx
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that had a form that had a uh ethos to
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it
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that you know definitely everybody was
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able to latch on
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so there's a narrative there's a there's
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a a foundation
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story that we can build on the whole
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cool party etc etc
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but if you look at it from the
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standpoint of it being a continuum
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that hip-hop comes out of jazz hip-hop
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comes out of funk
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hip-hop comes out of reggae and and
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these things
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are born out of other things that
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pre-date it then you see hip-hop as
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being a continuum
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and so a db for people to do that and
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i'll say one last thing
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which is why we did the book the way we
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did
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unfortunately in many parts of this
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country and many parts of the world
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folks want to deny and erase blackness
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so when black folks do something that's
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in you know genius or they tap
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into something that that that everybody
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loves
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it's like i love the culture but i don't
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love you so it's easy to erase us
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and say yeah we made this up and we're
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just going to kind of
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knock you out that's why they gave jeff
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that criticism
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in the new york times to shut up and
15:48
dribble we don't need all this history
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just dance no there's a reason why we
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dance there's a reason why
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we rap and these things are you know
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it's grounded in something much much
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deeper and is grounded in the ingenuity
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and an innovativeness that that really
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speak to our you know collective
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you know uh uh spirit that people are
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afraid of
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and so you have three things that are
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happening at the same time
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and depending on where you go some
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people are just like i don't want to
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give you your props
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i'm not gonna give you your props and
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hip hop is about now we're going to take
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it anyway
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we're going to show and prove you don't
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have to hear me but you're going to feel
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me
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at the end of the day and that's what
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it's all about so
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in the end queen will rise to the top
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and hip hop has risen to the top then
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this museum
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that we're just celebrating is proof
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positive that that we coming to the top
16:38
and taking our speakers
16:40
there you go can't stop won't stop
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yes come on jeff davie d cook come on
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jeff chang they are here tracy you got
16:47
another question
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yeah absolutely um you know for me
16:52
especially as a woman
16:53
in hip-hop and i think in general so
16:55
many of us as fans
16:57
there it can get very complex
17:00
because although i acknowledge i salute
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and i'm a part of
17:05
the revolutionary standpoint but then
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there
17:08
comes in you know the conversations
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around
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um misogyny conversations around
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ages um conversations around like the
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glorification
17:18
of materialism and so looking at the
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history
17:22
um and seeing you know just like if this
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was a chart and sometimes the lines go
17:28
up and down and up and down
17:30
what do you think has been our
17:32
relationship all these years up into
17:34
this point when it comes to those
17:36
three points i brought up with
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materialism misogyny and
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ageism have we been on the incline or
17:43
the decline with those
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in your opinion um
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that's a big question you know i it's
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and it's something that that we get
17:52
asked a lot i think in regards to
17:54
how we're going to represent the history
17:56
right and that's the thing about hip-hop
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is that
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as we can kind of all see it's
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it's up and down it's it's always in the
18:04
gray zone right we're always kind of
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seeing the call and the response um i
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think right now we're in this
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uh real high point you know i feel like
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we're
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in the middle of a cultural renaissance
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um
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i feel like we're we're really you know
18:20
across the board
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in terms of black cultural output right
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now
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i mean we're at a high point and you see
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it because
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artists are reacting to what people are
18:32
demanding literally
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um in the streets and in turn they're
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influencing
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you know the people in the streets to
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push it further
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right so um so i i feel like when we're
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talking about artists
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artistry right now you know the women
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are doing it the women are really at the
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cutting edge of this stuff
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um they're leading the guys on all this
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right megan the stallion young m.a i
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mean cardi b like we could just go down
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the list and
18:59
you know tear a whack like we could talk
19:01
about how all of the
19:03
amazing stuff that's coming out most of
19:05
the stuff
19:06
uh are being done by women and
19:09
and that's injected a point of view that
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pushes hip-hop
19:13
even further into you know critiquing
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misogyny
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um i think the materialism piece of it
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right i think that people are
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actually having that debate again now
19:23
and it's it's some nuanced kind of level
19:25
you know it's on the kind of thing of
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like i can i can
19:28
show my show my stuff off right but i
19:32
can also be about trying to fight
19:33
inequality i mean this is like
19:35
this is literally cardi b right she's
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sitting down with like bernie sanders
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talking about
19:40
inequality income inequality the need
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for health care
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all of these different types of issues
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and at the same same time she's looking
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you know she's looking pretty fly as
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well
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she's doing the thing so you know it can
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be nuanced right it can be
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complex and with ageism what i think is
19:57
really interesting right now is i mean
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shoot you know
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we're hip-hop parents me and dave you
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know that's part of where this thing
20:03
about doing it for a young adult edition
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comes from
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um and i can have conversations with my
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kids now
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who are like you know your daughter's
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age sway and
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and it's a different kind of thing than
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before where it was like we took on
20:18
hip-hop to kind of to kind of scream at
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our parents almost right to contact with
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our parents almost right
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um so we can have our debates about like
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well
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you know so-and-so rapper for versus you
20:30
know back in my day type of thing but
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we're having a conversation now and i
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think that that's that's a really
20:35
interesting thing that hip-hop has kind
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of opened up for those of us who are
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hip-hop parents
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yeah i wanna i wanna i wanna add
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something to that i think it's important
20:44
to understand that hip-hop doesn't
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a vacuum and we're subjected to
20:51
american culture and american culture
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is rooted in materialism american
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culture is rooted in misogyny
20:59
american culture is rooted in a lot of
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things that
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folks will often point to hip-hop and
21:05
say why are you doing this
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well we do this because we you know hip
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hop cup
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comes up in the age of lifestyles of the
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rich and famous
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people were blinging when we started so
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of course hip-hop is going to have that
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reflected in his ethos
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you know we came up at a time when women
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couldn't get you know the same amount of
21:23
uh money for
21:24
the same job as a man and where women
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were
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you know seen and continue to be seen as
21:30
objects to
21:30
to be played with and not taken
21:32
seriously so that would be reflected
21:35
in the culture as well but at the same
21:37
time and this is what
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we highlighted this generation and these
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generations that exist now
21:44
have always fought that you know at
21:46
different points in time
21:47
and so um yeah we're going to have that
21:50
type of materialism
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but when we see it show up and it be
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manifested and it be
21:56
marketed around the world i'm going to
21:59
not look at the artist as much as i'm
22:01
going to look at the machinery behind it
22:03
like
22:03
you've got a 50 year old man who will
22:05
take a 16 year old
22:07
expression and then it's still
22:10
underdeveloped but you're going to put
22:11
millions of dollars intended around the
22:13
world
22:14
and say this is authentic hip-hop
22:16
culture or authentic
22:17
black culture and we're going to say nah
22:20
there's an array of expressions that are
22:22
around there you're looking at the woman
22:24
that is shaking her butt
22:25
then let's talk about the woman who
22:27
isn't if you're looking at the guy he's
22:28
talking about he wants to shoot
22:30
you know a bunch of people let's talk
22:32
about the person who isn't
22:34
and that's what we tried to do in this
22:35
book is to show that
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all these things exist in our community
22:39
all these things have value at different
22:41
points in time
22:42
but we also show the intentionality that
22:45
hip-hop is
22:46
also exuded where folks were meeting
22:49
folks were strategizing folks were doing
22:51
what rocky and those guys are doing
22:53
building institutions building a
22:55
strategy and trying to make a better way
22:58
for all of us and that i think is an
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important story
23:01
that doesn't get highlighted but we sure
23:03
as hell highlighted it
23:04
in this book there you go very
23:06
thoughtfully shared thank you absolutely
23:08
the book is called can't stop one stop
23:10
for hip-hop history
23:11
the young adult edition out now
23:15
like and i don't do this often but a lot
23:17
of folks tuned into this show love
23:19
hip-hop
23:20
they say they do you know and i i take
23:22
you for your word
23:24
this is a book you should own citizens
23:27
this is a book you should
23:28
you should definitely own this book if
23:31
these words are true
23:33
yes it's a beautiful read and i would
23:35
invite you all to read it can't stop
23:37
won't stop a hip-hop history
23:39
young adult edition we got jeff chang is
23:41
with us
23:42
davey d i've known these dudes longer
23:45
than a lot of y'all been alive
23:48
show
23:49
[Laughter]
24:00
rick from the bay is on the line rick
24:01
what up baby hi
24:03
yo what's up man hey it's rick camacho
24:06
all right shout out david d i want to
24:08
know hey davey what's happening man
24:12
is that yes sir is that iconic
24:15
is that iconic biker biker hat getting
24:18
into the
24:20
hip hop hall of fame
24:23
for people who don't know i was known to
24:25
wear a biker hat even before spike lee
24:28
had it and do the right thing uh the
24:31
biker hats are here and actually the
24:33
biker hats were in a museum
24:35
so um i don't know if it's gonna be in
24:37
this one but
24:38
uh the biker hats are still here i don't
24:40
wear them anymore my
24:41
my wife is like nah you're too old to be
24:44
wearing like a hats you
24:51
you know to talk about sacramento and
24:53
hip-hop because you know back in the
24:54
days we were all up in sacramento
24:56
um myself ebro uh triple
25:00
and we're doing a my man matthew gilliam
25:02
matthew gilliam productions
25:04
is putting together a documentary on
25:06
sacramento and hip hop in the 90s
25:08
and we used to bring in sac state we
25:10
should bring everybody together
25:12
right and we created or my man triple
25:14
created the informer magazine
25:16
we have baldy locks uh like i said ebro
25:19
um so many people out there and and we
25:22
really
25:23
put sacramento on the map back in the
25:25
90s with our productions and promotions
25:28
and all that stuff and i just want to
25:29
know how can we get you all
25:31
part of that well let me just say this
25:35
and i toss it to jeff
25:36
one of the things that we were very
25:38
aware of in the book
25:40
is that people knew the new york
25:42
narrative
25:43
but now there are stories all around the
25:46
world that go back
25:47
20 30 and even 40 40 years in hip hop
25:51
and we were very intentional in how we
25:53
framed it to
25:54
give people a pass to baton so to speak
25:57
we want to hear
25:58
the sacramental story because that's
26:00
important the same way we need to hear
26:02
the oakland story
26:04
the trent new jersey story the silly
26:06
story we were just in detroit
26:08
they had a whole thing with just detroit
26:10
history no book can capture it
26:12
but the the larger part is is that
26:14
there's a reason why folks in sacramento
26:17
in the late 80s and 90s did what they
26:20
did they may have been inspired by
26:22
a movie or or a concert but
26:25
people coming together at math have a
26:27
unique story that's important to tell
26:30
and you all should highlight that and
26:32
you know the same way that here in
26:34
oakland
26:34
there's a unique story that predates you
26:36
know cool hurts party
26:38
that story needs to be told it is going
26:40
to be told in san francisco
26:42
all these places and you know again is
26:45
is primarily black folks and
26:47
marginalized communities
26:49
you know coming together trying to make
26:51
a way out of no way
26:52
and we got a story to tell in all these
26:55
areas and we're going to tell it and
26:56
and you know the book is hopefully a tip
26:59
to the hat
27:00
for those stories to be told so we're
27:03
there to support it
27:04
rick thanks for calling in man how you
27:06
been
27:08
man i've been good this way i i love you
27:11
all man i appreciate you being rocking
27:13
just uh since the early early 90s yes
27:16
brother
27:17
yeah man uh thank you rick you're the
27:20
you're the voice
27:21
hey you're the voice of of my dj stuff
27:24
you got i got my iconic
27:25
dj slicks cj slick echo of sway voice
27:29
on all my mixes clicks
27:32
oh man go with it man cool man rock
27:35
out baby rock out if you need some new
27:36
ones let me know
27:39
the boys still sound the same man i
27:41
still got the same one man
27:43
sound like i did in junior high damn it
27:45
hey rick you're a citizen all right
27:48
man i was in kindergarten with this
27:49
voice
27:52
[Music]
27:52
[Laughter]
27:54
hey uh when when we open up
27:57
and i would love to have y'all in studio
27:59
and have these conversations i'm i'm
28:02
mate jeff where are you at right now
28:03
where are you located
28:05
i'm still in the bay i'm still in the
28:06
basement yeah okay
28:09
wow he said trip dave he had to say
28:11
south berkeley he just didn't couldn't
28:12
just say
28:13
berkeley right he needed to do it
28:21
[Music]
28:24
south berkeley stand up um okay maybe we
28:26
could do something at the pandora studio
28:28
soon man i'll talk to davey about it and
28:31
uh we could put that building to work we
28:33
got a beautiful building over there in
28:34
oakland
28:35
uh with pandora but gentlemen um
28:39
not enough words to be said about how
28:41
proud i am of what you guys
28:43
have been doing and continue to do and
28:45
who you are to this culture and who you
28:47
are as people
28:48
who you are as fathers and who you are
28:49
to me team tech
28:51
even our legacy we don't tell our legacy
28:54
this is a sidebar king tech and i don't
28:56
talk our story a whole lot you know but
28:58
it's people like you
29:00
we need a book on you all for real
29:02
though yeah that's what you all have
29:03
been able to do for this man
29:05
you guys have been doing this for the
29:06
culture of so many years
29:08
so many people on i think people know
29:11
but i think people really want to know
29:12
that
29:13
they're down and dirty and the
29:14
underground of it all so yeah let us
29:16
know
29:17
put the pressure on them no we're here
29:20
okay
29:20
okay davey know a lot davey know too
29:22
much that's why i haven't talked to
29:24
david
29:27
davey knows way too much
29:30
but that's a conversation we can have
29:35
you know i think you know the legacy of
29:38
you guys
29:40
on the wake up show and and just that
29:42
strand of hip-hop that you all really
29:44
ushered in
29:46
if you all hadn't did what you did the
29:49
trajectory wouldn't be here
29:50
if you think about the platform that was
29:52
on and you know i don't know people know
29:55
but i'll say it you know secretly
29:58
you know was you and and king tech that
30:00
was programming these major radio
30:02
stations that other stations
30:04
followed the league that's real talk and
30:06
that's something that you
30:07
that a lot of people didn't know but
30:09
that's major
30:10
for you all that have been doing that
30:12
and you know and really directing
30:15
you know not just a station but a whole
30:17
culture
30:18
to move in a particular direction and
30:20
get acclimated um
30:22
to a type of sound and a type of
30:23
expression um that was counter to what
30:26
you know um commercialism wanted
30:29
so that's major major props that
30:31
deserves its own move yes
30:33
onto a smell though i'm gonna give you
30:34
flowers
30:39
really appreciate it oh absolutely man
30:42
still having fun with it too man still
30:44
having fun with it um
30:46
and we'll continue to do it that's
30:47
always been our mission and uh
30:49
we'll talk i think we got to have that
30:51
conversation but gentlemen
30:53
i appreciate you i appreciate you i
30:55
appreciate you can't stop won't stop at
30:57
hip-hop history young adult edition jeff
31:00
jeff chang and davey b cook you guys man
31:02
download the book or whatever however
31:04
you can get it get the book you're
31:06
welcome jeff and we'll talk soon
31:07
brothers
31:08
okay get the audiobook get the audiobook
31:10
okay
31:12
okay listen to them read okay
31:14
[Laughter]
31:17
gentlemen thank you for calling in love
31:19
you and we'll talk soon okay
31:21
all right peace
31:38
you
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