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BETHANN HARDISON Shares Her Story in Invisible Beauty Documentary | SWAY’S UNIVERSE
Sep 20, 2023
Fashion and style have always been significant aspects of our lives. They showcase our personality and our unique sense of style. The fashion industry, however, has been criticized for failing to embrace diversity and inclusion in their work. Bethann Hardison, one of the most influential icons in the industry, has been leading the fight for progress, change, and representation. Her impact on fashion is celebrated in the documentary Invisible Beauty, directed by Hardison and Frédéric Tcheng. In this blog post, we will delve into the inspiring story of Bethann Hardison as portrayed in the Invisible Beauty documentary.
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BETHANN HARDISON Shares Her Story in Invisible Beauty Documentary | SWAY’S UNIVERSE
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yes indeed we are here we've been
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talking about this queen
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all morning long
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I think if I mention Stephen Biko
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earlier today
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and we was talking about the movement
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that he pushed in South Africa and one
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of the things that Stephen Biko also was
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a proponent of was black is beautiful
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black is beautiful Stephen Biko wanted
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us to know that we're not inferior to
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anybody
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that's one of the things he did black is
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beautiful the woman we have here right
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now
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personifies everything that phrase means
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amen she's a soldier
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she's an activist she's a creative she's
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a mother she's a change agent
0:52
she helped the world really or actually
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taught the world or opened their eyes on
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all the beauty they were missing when
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they looked past us
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um she forced people uh to come to that
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realization that she's not going
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anywhere
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which is amazing and to this day the
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things that she did the bricks that she
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laid we all benefit from and I'm not
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just talking about in the fashion world
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I'm talking about in the world of
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hip-hop too this woman has been a
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guidance counselor yes a manager yes an
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agent a sister a father a mother too
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many including myself I've met her so
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many different times she probably don't
1:34
realize how many times we met but each
1:37
time we meet I get chills absolutely
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right and she's been an ambassador for
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us she's been a spokesperson for us
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she's been a soldier for us uh and she's
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just been wonderful to have in our lives
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please welcome her to the show Beth and
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queen Hardison the queen
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is here
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to introduce you what I'm honored to
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introduce you are you kidding me
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um you're amazing for so many reasons
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why welcome to the show thank you so
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much my God you can put me in the
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category with Stephen Biko yeah
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yeah every neighborhood has their own
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I guess you say ambassador of goodness
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and he surely was one and I'm happy that
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you think I'm one because I have been
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one yes you have you know had to put you
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in the category to momentarily recently
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too of Dick Gregory yeah yeah oh yes yes
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yeah yeah that's interesting that's
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really wonderful well I'm glad to be
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here you have no idea thank you really
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for that wonderful introduction and the
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truth is that we we do get a chance to
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do some things in life and everyone's
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not meant to do but you know when you
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have a calling and it happens it's
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really wonderful you um also could deem
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your son as a friend he's an amazing
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beautiful young man yeah he's a good guy
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good guy right
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huh he's a hip-hop head he's a hip-hop
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head yes
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you're a hip-hop head yeah well I I was
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there a long time there cheering it on
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thinking we're never going to make it I
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mean I was listening to Russell when
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back in his day determination I mean I
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was in Ibiza back in the early 80s
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trying to get some kid to to be in a
3:21
studio wrapping at a Spanish boy so yeah
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these these times to see how things can
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go 50 years 50 years right years and to
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think about even with Versailles 50
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years Versailles
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and I've been to Versailles
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the Battle of Versailles was so huge and
3:41
game changing can you break down why
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that is and what that was well you know
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what's interesting to me even more so to
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how people are recognizing it now
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because for
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50 I mean I don't know maybe for 40 42
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years maybe no one even heard Versailles
3:56
I mean it was something that was done it
3:58
was put to rest it was a great thing we
3:59
wind up but we wind up having five
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American designers go to Paris uh to the
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actual Hall of her side with
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um to benefit with five French designers
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and it was just supposed to be a benefit
4:12
and it was a good thing at the time it
4:13
was Oscar de la Renta Halston uh Bill
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Blass and Klein and Stephen Burroughs
4:19
Eleanor Lambert uh was the one who
4:21
actually put this together because those
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are the people that she represented and
4:24
she wanted American designers to be seen
4:26
in Europe so it was good for a while and
4:29
then all of a sudden The French Press
4:30
started saying that how dare the
4:32
Americans start to think they could come
4:34
over and compete with the French
4:35
American designers or nothing but just
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sportswear people and they're coming up
4:40
against couturiers and they started
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making us feel very sh like small yeah
4:45
yeah yeah yeah so it was really
4:48
something that they took they coined
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that phrase um battle it was a it was a
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benefit where they come with battle now
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we're scared now we got to go over there
4:56
because we're committed but we went and
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we went with all the mistakes that was
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made on our side like we didn't
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understand that our set should be in
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sent to me this it was done in inches so
5:05
to set sit and work all the bareness of
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that stage everything that went wrong
5:10
for us worked for us so we wind up
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winning the battle oh wow
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wow it was really wonderful in that way
5:17
so they're all the programs went up in
5:19
the air when I came down the runway and
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we I was in Steven Burrows and you know
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they they started stomping bravo bravo
5:26
so we knew then even though we were the
5:27
first ones to present that we had it
5:30
they weren't going to get that because
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they had so much they thought they can
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compete with so we wind up winning that
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and it was 10 black girls in it everyone
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thinks that you know it changed fashion
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some way maybe it helped change some
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people's thinking like the Europeans but
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and pretty much you know it was we were
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already black girls were already working
5:47
in New York that's the reason why there
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was 10 girls to go over but sometimes
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people get confused and think oh that
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was the first time anybody used black
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models and that's not true that's not
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true that's what I've heard no that's
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not true it's not true it's not true at
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all because it wouldn't have been able
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to even find the girls if nobody was
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using those girls every girl had to have
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three designers that say yes to them and
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I was at a full-time job I worked with
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Stevens as his assistant so I got you
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know chosen very last because I only had
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Anne Klein and Stephen but eventually
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Oscar said yes because Stephen needed me
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to go because I was assistant
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anyway I helped bring down the house and
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that was the greatest thing about it I
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helped bring down the house you better
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talk let them know you better talk did
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you see any changes in the fashion
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industry that was directly correlated
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with what happened in Versailles can you
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speak to that definitely to the
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Europeans I think they've never seen
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anything like that because they've never
6:40
seen a show presented fashion with music
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we we had Barry White and things like
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that you know that they never did that
6:46
and the truth that it really affected Mr
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Givenchy because he made his whole cabin
6:50
black girls in in Paris so that had its
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effect and things start to you start to
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see these beautiful girls and he
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wouldn't change it I mean he was being
6:59
pressured by the press and he didn't
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care he really loved these girls so that
7:03
you could see that Clarity but in
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America we were still just working girls
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just working girls right yeah Beth Ann
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Hardison is here that it's a documentary
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done but I want to say Deborah Riley
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Draper and uh Carolyn Robinson right
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they did a documentary on this event
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it's on Amazon yeah
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another company made to measure did a
7:21
documentary on it as well okay and from
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the actuality of knowing about
7:25
Versailles Robin givan who works for the
7:29
Washington Post she did her first book
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based on Versailles all this came out
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when the Metropolitan Museum
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learned about Versailles and had a big
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luncheon at the temple dudur in at the
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Metropolitan Museum and that's how
7:44
everyone learned about it Deborah
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learned about it that day the Press
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learned about it so it's funny how
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something could be laying dormant for
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like 40 years and then all of a sudden
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someone speaks on it and then everybody
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acts like how you didn't know about that
7:57
you know well nobody knew about it
7:59
really nobody really knew about it when
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I think of these times
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um being somebody who grew up in the 70s
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I I love the energy and the vibration
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that came from that time how we were
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educated seeing certain images images of
8:13
you other models you know actors uh so
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on and so forth and now to learn your
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story and and we we had Iman come up
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here
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yeah and Iman really was just very
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transparent on the fashion industry and
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some of the you know the things you guys
8:29
faced and overcame and she brought your
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name up and talked about
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a movement that y'all were putting
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together I'm gonna play back this clip
8:38
and get your feedback on it okay again
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talking about bethan Hardison it's 2013
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because I was very surprised she
8:45
contacted me and she said I'm going to
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send you an email I want you to look at
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it and I opened it and um and uh it was
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a New York Times article this is 2013.
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and uh and their the article title was
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the blonde leading the blonde the
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blackout of the runways across Europe
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and America meaning there was not a
9:06
single black model being used for the
9:08
past four years
9:10
wow and and I was shocked I was I was
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out of the industry I retired from
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modeling I was doing Iman cosmetics and
9:18
so I was not aware of what was going on
9:20
so Beth Ann was the one who put together
9:22
me and Naomi Campbell to join her so
9:25
that we could do this change and the
9:28
what was happening was that uh you know
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but then will take me to the side and
9:32
say please don't say boycott
9:34
because she knows my first place out of
9:37
my mind
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yeah yeah right so you know so we were
9:44
collectively the three of us went
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through all the press and rode to cfda
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which is the Council of fashion
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designers made sure that they understood
9:52
it the designers started complaining and
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started to understand that there were
9:57
casting agents that they have hired that
10:00
they will say okay find us this is what
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the collection is about you know cast
10:03
the models and these casting agents will
10:07
call the agencies and will say we're not
10:10
seeing black models this season as if we
10:14
were a trend to be disposed of right wow
10:17
do you remember this time period bethan
10:19
Hardison
10:22
actually it's my history no one else is
10:24
really that's right this is this is
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something that yeah we started this way
10:29
before 2013 actually yeah the first
10:31
press conference I held was in 2007.
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um
10:35
and everybody we knew it was in the
10:37
Bryant Park Hotel and it was in a room
10:39
that it felt it was a screening room
10:42
that they had that we were able to rent
10:43
and I had you know there were some
10:46
models only like Iman Naomi came in
10:48
Naomi flew in just for the day all the
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way from London to be there and Leah
10:54
kabidi
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um and then they would
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model agents
10:59
um I had everyone in the room that's
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pretty much like editors and all and it
11:04
was something that I stood up in front
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and just sort of like had to call it out
11:08
because they had been saying which is
11:10
normal to some degree in our industry to
11:12
say no blacks no ethnics but it went on
11:14
and on and on until eventually model
11:16
agencies weren't really coming with the
11:19
greatest Goods of blacks because they
11:20
didn't feel that they could sell them so
11:22
they kept the same girls hoping that
11:24
maybe that girl would work but this
11:26
casting people would see the same girls
11:28
and they weren't looking at anything new
11:29
so they would say no blacks no ethnics
11:31
I sort of blame both I blame I blame the
11:34
model agencies also for not fighting out
11:36
when I was in a model agent I would have
11:38
fought right through it but the industry
11:40
has started to change they weren't
11:41
casting directors when when I had a
11:43
model agency and you know what wound up
11:46
happening is that the actual
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um designers started did start to hire
11:51
casting directors as well as a stylists
11:54
to help them to set up there and what
11:56
had happened if Berlin Wall had come
11:58
down so all of a sudden now there was
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white girls that they could really book
12:02
that was so perfect for them in so many
12:04
ways the thing that I did when at 2007
12:07
once I made this press conference and it
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went to the Press automatically they
12:12
never said no blacks no ethics ever
12:14
again
12:15
but it doesn't mean that they're still
12:17
not doing it okay so what we had to do
12:19
is really basically worked I pushed from
12:21
2007 having Town Hall meetings and other
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things
12:26
um Franco says only did the all black
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issue that helped me a great deal she
12:30
was very supportive of what we were
12:31
doing until I got to 2013 it would slip
12:34
back it go forward and then I wrote the
12:35
letter I wrote the letter on my own yeah
12:37
I just got you know support from James
12:39
Scully and Kyle Hagler and once I wrote
12:43
the letter we sent it out to every
12:45
fashion Council which was New York
12:47
uh London Paris and Milan and with that
12:51
I sent it to the Press once the Press
12:53
got it then they contacted those classes
12:55
did you receive this letter from Beth
12:57
Anne Hardison for the well at first they
12:58
didn't know who it was because it was a
12:59
secret I was trying to make it a secret
13:00
but when they called me up they said
13:02
well who wrote it I had to admit it well
13:04
I did once I did that and I started this
13:06
thing called the black Coalition uh I
13:09
I really basically was able to get
13:11
people to tell me what was going on in
13:12
the rest of the world and doing this has
13:15
really became like a revolution yeah and
13:17
what I was able to do was have these
13:20
young people who really would go to
13:22
Europe see what was going on the shows
13:23
and see it when you see the film you'll
13:25
see it too it tells that part of the
13:26
story but then I needed publicity I
13:29
definitely needed to pull in celebrity
13:31
that calls for Iman Naomi and Naomi had
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always been a foot soldier she was
13:36
always the one County come back Mom you
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got to come back from Mexico you got to
13:39
do this okay you got to see what's
13:40
happening so I was able to do that and
13:42
Iman has always said whenever you need
13:44
me call me on this so I was able to show
13:47
her what was going on and then once no
13:50
matter what's happening she said I'm
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going to be there and so once you know
13:53
she was busy in a whole nother world
13:55
then at that point so then I just called
13:57
and said okay because you need that's
13:59
what the press needs once they see the
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you know notables or in bold face
14:03
Everybody Eats it up you know it it's a
14:05
lot of people out there that don't have
14:06
any names doing some great work yeah you
14:08
know that I'm always for those soldiers
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because you know this good thing with
14:12
Naomi and Iman this is their world and
14:15
they want to make sure it changes
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they're very consciously conscious
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people of color so they really don't
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want that happening because they had
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been there they were successful in this
14:23
world yeah and that was what was so
14:25
great they were always there to make
14:27
sure so we did we did press and that
14:29
changed it but with that that letter
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once I sent that letter out immediately
14:33
nobody in that industry wants to think
14:35
they're a racist so all I could say is
14:37
if you continue to use one or no models
14:40
of color season after season no matter
14:42
your intention the results is racism
14:45
and not calling them a racist but
14:47
showing them their way yeah look what
14:49
look at a rabbit hole you're going down
14:50
no one wants to think they're racist so
14:52
immediately
14:54
London change Paris change Milan changed
14:57
immediately and it's still changing and
14:59
it's still good now because you see kids
15:02
darker than dark yeah wearing clothes
15:05
they finally realize that you'd be black
15:06
and wear clothes in the winter
15:10
because they never thought that was
15:14
for the nordics but now they can see
15:16
they can see Beth and our heart is in
15:19
his hair the documentary she's speaking
15:21
of why we were here today is um
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invisible but one of the reasons was
15:24
called invisible beauty is in theaters
15:27
Friday September the 15th
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um
15:30
what is it about
15:33
oh I hate talking about myself but here
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I go
15:37
um it's about a woman who basically you
15:39
know has this story
15:41
tells it tells what I love about how
15:43
we've told the story I'm the co-director
15:44
with my director co-director Frederick
15:47
Chang how we've told the stories with
15:48
how I started out in Brooklyn my family
15:50
my background and it actually gives you
15:53
the story of what's this this whole um I
15:56
guess Revolution was that many people
15:58
didn't know what the true background of
16:00
it was or who was really behind it what
16:02
made this change and that's what the
16:04
purpose of the film was to tell that
16:06
story I love it I'm looking forward to
16:08
sitting down and I'm gonna watch it a
16:10
couple of times HB wore a blazer because
16:13
she was coming today
16:15
well
16:17
absolutely you have to dress for the
16:19
occasion or a button down I was like oh
16:21
no you have to recognize your audience
16:24
that's what my dad always taught me
16:26
so I know and I have to do that yes I
16:30
have to be here the president give uh
16:33
Queen Bethany and hardest and her
16:34
flowers because what a lot of people
16:36
don't know only two people notice uh
16:39
Queen bethan and Kenny Parker so I was
16:42
going through a really really tough time
16:44
in my music career and I needed
16:47
management and I I come from a place in
16:50
fact I just said it to Kalani and torch
16:52
earlier today I think that we should
16:54
learn from older people and teach young
16:58
that that's just a philosophy that I had
17:01
and so I had watched Queen Beth and do a
17:04
lot of different things and so I called
17:05
her one day and I was like
17:07
would you manage me and she said Heather
17:10
B I'm not managing anymore but if you
17:13
ever need me call me I'm watching you
17:17
and those words is so funny she said
17:19
Naomi Campbell said that to her one of
17:22
her children if you will but I've always
17:25
respected that and I needed that at a
17:28
time where it was a place it's not a
17:31
24-hour thing like managers do but if
17:34
you ever need me I'm here yeah and I
17:37
needed that at a time so bad when I
17:39
didn't realize how much I needed it and
17:41
I thank you for that that's why every
17:43
time I see you up I just hug you because
17:46
it it was that hug that I needed at the
17:48
time but it came verbally yeah you know
17:51
it's wonderful having those girls who
17:52
you knew back is like when I I
17:54
represented Harmony yeah that's how I
17:57
became aware of of uh Miss Bethany
18:00
Hardison management because the Harmony
18:03
Who was the sister of Miss Melody who
18:05
was under KRS one and I just saw her her
18:09
character I knew Kadeem through
18:12
television and Hip-Hop but his mom was
18:14
just another Force yeah that was a great
18:17
time it was very interesting watching
18:19
everybody come up and going to all the
18:21
music inventions wrapped what what Jack
18:23
the rapper
18:25
you didn't go to freak okay
18:31
you wouldn't say it if you did
18:33
[Music]
18:33
[Laughter]
18:45
um and I'm so appreciative of you yeah
18:46
thank you for all of the activism that
18:49
we benefit from today you know when it
18:51
comes to the fashion industry
18:53
um particularly Runway I think the first
18:56
image a lot of people have are female
18:58
models you know
19:00
to you was there some very specific
19:03
nuances differences between fighting for
19:07
representation of black female models
19:09
and then fighting for representation of
19:11
black male models
19:13
it depends on when you know no for me it
19:17
it wasn't you are look I had a bunch of
19:19
white kids you know my agency was white
19:21
I was wise to do that I had to compete
19:25
against my white counterparts because I
19:26
was also successful in the white World
19:29
um but I knew not to have a black model
19:30
agency because I knew that people would
19:32
be saying okay who else is on the roster
19:34
who else can we call you have to you
19:37
have to really give them exactly a taste
19:39
of their own medicine be able to compete
19:40
against them so I started out with a
19:42
bunch of boys with a lot of a couple of
19:44
kids were from London a little white I
19:46
had white boy that I was crazy about
19:48
named Brent King God Rest him when Tyson
19:51
came along yeah
19:53
but that was like a game changer because
19:56
he represented so much you know and it
19:58
was easy because he was so good looking
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and he was Street hip hop
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culture you're definitely worried if you
20:07
don't take prettiness for kindness you
20:08
know because it isn't necessarily so and
20:11
so that was very easy I think at that
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time it was all easy because the 80s was
20:15
very interesting and then going into the
20:16
90s he he came along in the 90s early
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90s so I think it was it wasn't so hard
20:21
then just having you know I was in the
20:24
game to the model agency business when
20:26
the model industry was changing also you
20:28
know when a little small agency could
20:30
come along and change the game too and
20:32
then people started copying me like okay
20:34
then they started getting a couple of
20:35
black kids because I had black kids
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Asian kids and Latin kids but my roster
20:39
was primarily white yeah because then I
20:42
would know exactly what the white kids
20:43
were getting because my white kids they
20:45
were called for my white kid and I could
20:47
hear the difference of rates between the
20:48
white kids oh my God
20:50
yeah so that was and I had the top you
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know top girl who gave me found me the
20:56
money to start my agency was the top
20:57
number one model in the world she was a
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blonde girl with blue eyes so in the end
21:01
of the day I knew to be in the game you
21:04
have to be in it to win it or at least
21:07
to compete alongside and run alongside
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them yeah can I ask you well I'm gonna
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when you mentioned Tyson first first of
21:14
all that's right uh salute to Tyson
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Beckford yep right that's a friend
21:19
that's somebody I party would hung out
21:22
with came up here and had some real
21:24
conversations real conversations uh but
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when I think of Tyson I think of all the
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hip-hop
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um labels that were coming out at that
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time FUBU and cross colors and you know
21:34
fat Farm how that hip-hop boost the
21:38
fashion industry see this is what's so
21:40
wonderful the question is I love
21:42
questions because you get don't go
21:45
Google things just come to me I give you
21:47
the answer
21:52
I got you yeah
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at the end of the day
21:56
about was the urban Brands did is that
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they boosted the Garment business
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that's it's a big difference between the
22:02
Garment business and the fashion
22:04
business the fashion business is the
22:05
well-known names you all know the really
22:08
under battle Belly of the industry is
22:12
the Garment industry manufacturers FUBU
22:15
and all those they're just manufacturers
22:17
but coming along at the time they did
22:19
our industry was sinking it was in a it
22:22
was in a hole
22:23
the industry of you know apparel you
22:26
could call it fashion if you want was
22:28
having a problem they weren't selling
22:29
when the urban business came along it
22:32
boosted it changed the game it really
22:34
helped it's like infused energy into the
22:37
arm vein of the industry it really did
22:39
because everyone was buying it it was
22:42
like Willie Smith back in the day when
22:44
Willie Smith had William Smith really
22:46
well yeah everybody was in the street
22:47
wearing Willy where everybody has a
22:49
willywear that's real streetwear this
22:52
thing called streetwear I never see
22:53
anyone with any other Supreme with the
22:55
logo I never even know who has Street
22:57
what street wear where's your street
22:58
wear yeah but when it comes to something
23:00
like the urban business those brands
23:03
everybody was buying it so it boosted
23:05
the industry the Garment into the
23:08
Garment industry it's very important to
23:09
understand that because you know people
23:11
just don't I look I come from the
23:12
Garment industry I give all credit to
23:14
the government industry I never say I'm
23:15
from Fashion yeah because I know I grew
23:18
up in a custom button factory then I had
23:22
low-end dresses that people trained me
23:24
then I went to Junior dress I did all
23:26
these kind of things working in behind
23:27
the scenes you learn that's the business
23:30
that really brings everything there's
23:32
the one who who creates Oscar de la
23:34
Renta and all of them even though they
23:36
become very very well known names it's
23:38
right in that neighborhood so yes
23:40
hip-hop did help
23:42
I wouldn't say hip-hop because hip-hop
23:44
is one thing yeah in the urban brand
23:46
versus different it's a different thing
23:48
it's it's cool I guess it is hip-hop
23:50
it's inspired but yeah yeah it's not rap
23:52
yeah rap
23:54
um Damon John is somebody who frequents
23:56
our show and he should right and that
23:59
was someone I knew very much at that
24:01
time yeah that's a perfect example but
24:04
you see football everywhere all over the
24:06
world
24:07
bethan Hardison my my only regret is
24:10
that we we ran out of time right now
24:11
when can you come back can you come back
24:13
like every month we could come back
24:14
every month and you know I'm gonna keep
24:16
letting you say you know invisible
24:18
beauty is worth seeing but then I have
24:20
to finish the book when you see the film
24:22
then you'll see the the the Common
24:24
Thread is me writing my book okay and
24:27
many people want to know did you finish
24:28
the book did you so when I do finish the
24:30
book then I'll be back again come back
24:31
but you can come back to hang out yeah
24:34
okay because Beyond the Lights and the
24:38
cameras and the mics these are
24:40
conversations as a people we need to
24:42
know we need to know you need to know I
24:44
need to know it's true okay there's a
24:47
lot of things that you sit there and I
24:48
listen to I said but that's not what
24:49
happened but once it gets printed
24:54
we just had this conversation this
24:56
morning about the Hip-Hop Hip-Hop
24:58
anniversary so you got a lot of people
25:00
talking and they're saying things that
25:01
are inaccurate untrue that's the thing
25:04
that gets me yeah so especially if you
25:07
were there when you know you're not
25:09
hearing that someone said that someone
25:11
said no that's that's real real come
25:14
back please okay you're in thank you we
25:17
got it
25:20
okay what you wanted to say okay
25:22
everybody let's do it now Beth and
25:24
Hardison and I was there period just say
25:27
that okay can you say that I was there
25:29
oh oh
25:31
well I can't say I'm Queen oh you say
25:34
that okay we got the queen Beth Ann
25:37
Hardison and I was there
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