Arsenio Hall: The Untold Story of Snoop Dogg & Tupac's TV Debut | SWAY’S UNIVERSE

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Listen, man. I You know, Heather, you
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stand up for this one right here, man. I
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need if you If you at home, if you
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sitting down, if you not driving, I want
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everybody to stand up for this one. This
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is a standing ovation worthy individual,
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a saint if you will, a deliverer if you
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will, a conduit if you will. This man
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has been a cultural pillar for decades.
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Um when I call him a deliverer cuz he
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gave us deliverance when he opened his
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platform by the way of God for us to
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have a voice, for us to be seen. He's
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the creator to me of the most legendary
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late-night show that ever existed, THE
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ARSENIO
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HALL SHOW. Emmy Award-winning, uh
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starring uh Coming to America, one of
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the first hosts to ever give major
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exposure to hip-hop as a culture. He
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became a conduit for our community. He's
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been an inspiration to all of us if you
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came through hip-hop culture. We are all
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his sons, right? And I want to thank him
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for being here today. He's a magician.
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He's a comedian. He's a writer. He's a
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producer. He's an actor. Radio host.
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>> He's a radio host, a stand-up comedian,
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a son,
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a father. He does it all. Ladies and
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gentlemen, I want to welcome him to the
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show for the first but not the last
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time. One of the most iconic people to
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ever come out of our community, THE
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LEGENDARY ARSENIO
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HALL!
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LET'S GO, BABY! YO!
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OH MY GOSH, HE'S HERE, HEATHER. HE'S
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HERE. OH, MAN. I keep blinking. Like, I
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can't even believe it. believe this,
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man. Arsenio, first of all,
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congratulations, brother.
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>> Congrats. You know what? You know what
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we can add to that list now? I just This
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is my first interview since finding out
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yesterday that I'm a best-selling
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author.
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>> HE'S A BEST-SELLING AUTHOR.
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MAN WITH THE BOOK ARSENIO: A Memoir,
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this is an incredible book.
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But and we here to talk to you. I'm not
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even going to say interview you. I I I'm
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just happy
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>> man. Let's talk, man.
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>> Let's talk like we do when you pop in
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the Improv.
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That was an honor. The Improv has a
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marquee now on Melrose.
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>> Yeah. Right. And thank God because it
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brings [ __ ] together. Right.
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>> You know, he saw my picture on the
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marquee.
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And you were with your woman?
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I was with a woman. A a woman. Blow him
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up, Arsenio. BLOW HIM UP.
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YEAH, YEAH. AND UH I LOVE THIS ALREADY.
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SHE WAS my woman that night.
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>> Yeah. No, yeah, yeah. No, I was with a
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very close friend of mine, actually.
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>> And y'all came in.
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>> Mhm. Just pulled up.
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>> Yes.
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>> Literally pulled up. And I appreciate
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that, man. You know, I I I was glad to
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see you.
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And you were able to tell me that now
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there is a serious presence on the West
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Coast.
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>> That's right. That's how
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And we were new.
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>> Yes.
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>> We were new to the West Coast.
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>> this was last year?
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>> Yeah. Yeah, this was last
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>> You just rolled up because you saw his
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name on the marquee.
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>> his name on the marquee on and a
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>> of you.
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>> video. And I couldn't believe
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And I honestly felt like that was some
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kind of divine intervention because I
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I've been wanting to connect with
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Arsenio for quite some time, you know,
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even
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um before I even start to grow um into
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the music industry. Just watching you.
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Your show came on, I want to say 1989,
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right? When it when it first came on,
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right? It was on 1989.
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And I was just getting into the music
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business and our dream was to be on the
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Arsenio Hall show. And you had a lot of
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my friends from the Bay Area that was on
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the show, Shock G, Money B, DJ
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>> forget Hammer and 357 and Hammer,
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>> pulled up.
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>> 357, in mass. and Tupac and hip-hop was
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so misunderstood. People came from hip
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hop was so misunderstood and you were
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the first person I felt like you
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understood us, right? And you were us.
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You came from us and it was so
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ostracized at that time for you to open
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your doors and put us on the biggest
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platform there was to offer, right? And
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put us in a safe space where where Tupac
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could come on the show and just really
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unleash everything that was on his
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heart.
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>> Yeah, Tupac called you the night before
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on a landline
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>> Uh-huh. and said, "Yo, Senio,
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they're trying to make me take a AIDS
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test, man.
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I mean, if I'm going to really [ __ ]
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Janet,
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I'll take a AIDS test, but uh
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am I really going to get the [ __ ]
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They're They're trying to make me take a
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AIDS test to do a movie? Yo.
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>> And back then, I felt like like what
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Twitter is today,
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no blue bird back then, just a black
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bird and you can say to your brother,
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"Well, come on and talk about it, man."
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Yeah, but you never had any
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um we were talking about this early you
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know earlier when you got into these
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circles of that sort, you were like a
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lone ranger, you know, almost like a
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outlier
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working in a space that none of us were
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in and in those circumstances, a lot of
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us won't take those kind of chances.
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Like putting Tupac on the air was risky
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at that time, right?
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>> When I first tried to put NWA on,
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uh Paramount said no. So, I had to
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develop numbers, Uh-huh.
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>> ratings, Okay.
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>> power,
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and then you can start saying, "No, I'm
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not asking now.
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I want this person on or that person
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on." And I was my own worst enemy. I was
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a little hard-headed.
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I probably could still be on the air if
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I had have done it their way. Damn. But
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I wouldn't have been happy. You know, I
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mean, for instance, what you do,
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when I hear people freestyling here,
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Yeah. first time I heard the word
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freestyle, it came
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out of Dre's mouth. I'm talking on a
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landline. We didn't have no cell phones,
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and Dre says, "I want you to meet
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Calvin." And he was talking about Snoop
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Dogg.
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>> Yeah. And he said, "But you're going to
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have to talk him into coming on cuz he
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ain't crazy about coming on no
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late-night TV show." And I'm like, "Oh,
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that's interesting." He said, "But, you
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know, maybe we can get him on to
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freestyle first, and then when the album
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is ready, me and him can come on and do
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a track from the album, but you might
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have to go meet him and talk to him."
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And I thought that was very unusual cuz
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everybody wanted to be on my show. And I
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go to a studio,
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and uh take my producer with me, and she
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gets a contact for the first time.
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Marla? Was it Marla? You took Marla to
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You can't walk in Snoop's studio and not
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get a contact.
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>> a contact.
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>> And yeah, she was [ __ ] up. So,
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and she said, "You know, just you talk
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to him. I'm just going to sit and listen
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to the groove."
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So, so, we talk, and he says, "Yeah,
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man, I I got a lot of street cred. And I
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don't want to lose my street cred doing
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late-night television." You know,
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because nobody knew what I was trying to
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become.
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>> Yeah. And uh I finally talked him into
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The crazy thing is, Snoop Dogg is the
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most popular dog on Earth now.
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>> Yeah.
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>> You know, Snoop Dogg, he has trumped
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Lassie dog. Snoop who? He trumped who?
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Exactly. Lassie was huge.
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>> Yeah. McGruff.
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>> Right?
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>> All them [ __ ] had to bow
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to Snoop Dogg cuz he's on everything now
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and didn't want to be on TV. So, so, he
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comes and he freestyles. Mhm. And it's
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the first time I'd ever had somebody
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freestyle. He had on a blue hockey
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jersey. We gave him a beat, and he said,
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"Hit 'em up. Put 'em up." He started
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doing his thing.
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>> Yeah. And so, the next day in my
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meeting, Paramount says, "We can't do
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that again." And I'm like, "What? That's
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that's the [ __ ] right there. We got to
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have more of that, you know, coming off
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the dome. We didn't say dome then, but
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uh you know, just freestyle. That's
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wonderful. That's how I would I would
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probably say. That's wonderful, guys.
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And they said, "We don't know what the
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person's going to say.
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How can you continue to let rappers come
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on and give them a beat and they just
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say anything?" Cuz back then you have
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pre-interviews. If you do a song, we
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want all the lyrics.
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Uh
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so, pushing the envelope
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uh
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was what I did. Yes.
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>> And and I'm glad for every moment. Even
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gospel. You know, I'm the son of a
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Baptist preacher. I posted something a
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couple weeks ago of the Winans
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sitting in the middle
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of the stage.
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They were always telling me, "You can't
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get the numbers that you want to get
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Yeah. doing gospel." But you know what?
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I never stopped. From Kirk
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to Shirley Caesar to the Winans. One
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time I had BB CC and Whitney. Yes. You
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know, I remember all of that. The I I
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don't know if people realize that one of
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the things I got from reading the
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reading the book and I Yeah, citizens,
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read This is the funnest book I've read.
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I say fun.
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Is funnest a word? It's the It's the
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most the most funnest book I've read.
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Funnest. Funnest, yes.
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book I've read
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in a long time. And the thing that
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everything I thought or everything I
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felt or I hoped was true. You really
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really wanted to make your show about
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the music, right?
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>> Yeah. Right?
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>> and and in retrospect, I understand
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that's expensive.
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>> Yeah. Uh I wanted to have Saturday Night
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Live's music performance every night on
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my show.
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>> Yeah. And that stuff financially
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can be done by the Grammys and SNL, but
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I was trying to do that every night.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And you could have a comic on just talk.
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You could have a Howie Mandel come on
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and just talk and probably get better
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numbers cheaper. Mhm. But I saw
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that Oprah wasn't crazy about hip hop
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and I saw that Don Cornelius, who was my
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hero, didn't really love hip hop and I
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saw an opportunity. I saw that's
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something I love. Mhm. So, why not
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go with what you love, you know, because
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it might not last forever, but you'll be
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happy. You'll be happy. And that's key,
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right? To be happy. Yeah, man. To do a
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show that you're happy doing. I mean
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there were times when they would push me
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to book certain things. I mean, we had a
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fight when I did
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my 1,000 show at the Hollywood Bowl.
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Mhm. And you know what I wanted to do
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and I and I did Madonna and Anthony
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Kiedis
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and uh I did Naughty by Nature. Yep. And
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I had the entire bowl. Hey, ho.
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And and that made me happy. They made me
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do I think Tears for Fears something
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like that. Yeah.
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>> Yeah, you know, so I I tried to balance
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it for them.
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But basically
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I used to do this show in my basement.
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And I did it in my basement. I watched
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Johnny Carson. I wanted to be Johnny
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Carson, but I noticed that there weren't
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many black people on Johnny Carson.
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Sometimes you had to wait a month. And
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then in school somebody say, "Hey, man,
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Al Green going to be on Johnny Carson."
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Yeah, you know. Yeah. Oh, I got to tune
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in. I got to see Great Charles going to
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be on Johnny Carson. You know, you tune
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in to see them. I wanted to have a show
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where it wasn't
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a big deal or a special occasion to have
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black people there. Michael Bivins, I
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tell this story to people. Michael
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Bivins called me and said, "I got these
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four guys and their album's not ready
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yet.
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But um I want to bring them on." I said,
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"Well,
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when is the album ready?" And he told me
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and I said, "I got the Temptations on
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this week.
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Why don't we bring your guys Boys to Men
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and put them with the Temptations?
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>> That's crazy.
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And you know, Paramount is like, "No,
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when we said less,
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we didn't mean this. Yeah, you know, you
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got 14 [ __ ] doing choreography."
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BUT YOU WERE BREAKING artists that way,
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right? You were so
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you were so groundbreaking at that time,
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man. And it just seemed like that you
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made us feel like there were no limits
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anymore. There were no doors or walls.
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There were no um barriers that could
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keep us from growing and expanding. Like
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it's true, man. I watched I grew up
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watching, you know, Johnny Carson uh
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uh who was Dinah Shore used to have you
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know, all the all all the legends. Dick
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Cavett. Dick Cavett, but none of them
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had the relatability that you had. But
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what I I find really
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>> and I liked the same thing.
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>> We liked the same things, right? When we
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watched Ed Sullivan as kids, we'd see Ed
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Sullivan have Diana Ross stand up. So
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when I got a show, I'm like, "Who's my
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Diana Ross?" I remember having Fat Joe
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stand up. You know, and thinking that's
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how Ed Sullivan would do Diana Ross. I'd
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sit over there in B section, that's uh
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Fat Joe. Mhm. Right? Stand up, Fat Joe.
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Wave, you know? And and so I was taking
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my childhood and replacing the names.
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>> Yeah. That was so smart. Arsenio Hall is
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here, man. Round of applause. You
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brought up your father. And and when you
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read the book, your parents weren't too
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keen with you coming to Hollywood,
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right? No. Dad was a Baptist preacher.
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He thought um Hollywood was just a large
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den of iniquity. Uh-huh. And uh
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and he did not want me here. Uh we used
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to watch television and he would say,
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"Look at that. You know, look at
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Hollywood." You know, and my father was
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conservative. My my mother was a
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Democrat. My father was a Republican. So
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I was in a
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bizarre learning environment. But I
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learned everything. And uh I think if he
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were alive,
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he would have loved what I did because
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the one thing I never strayed from is I
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kept gospel in the mix, even though they
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said it wouldn't get big commercial
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numbers. I made sure that I kept gospel
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in the mix. Man, Arsenio Hall is here.
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Heather, you spoke about
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uh uh
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a through-line in the book about
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manifestation.
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Manifestation,
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um
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believing, dreamer,
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um wanting to make your father proud.
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That you you you said it still to this
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day, I want I want to make my dad proud
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when you wrote the book.
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I didn't realize your father was a
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preacher. I didn't know that. I learned
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that through the book. And I I remember
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cuz I did it as a kid as well, I took in
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so much television. I just made notes in
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my head. I remember my parents getting
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Jet magazine and Ebony magazine, and I
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would cut out collages and make collages
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of the houses that I wanted to live in
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and the people who I wanted to meet. And
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you spoke about this blue suit that
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Johnny Carson had worn, that you wanted
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the blue suit.
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So, I went back last night specifically,
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and I was like, I wonder if he wore a
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blue suit in Coming to America when you
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were a preacher. Yeah, I think that was
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a green suit, maybe. Oh, I I
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>> In Coming to America.
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>> When it popped up for me, it looked
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blue. Yeah. And I was like, Arsenio
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never forgot his breadcrumbs. Oh, no.
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>> Like, from Diana Shore and her logo,
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Mhm.
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>> from all all the little you never
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forgot. And I'm wondering, cuz we speak
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about manifestation here all the time,
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I'm wondering particularly with that
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fire that took place at your
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grandmother's house,
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>> and you seen it all disappear, so to
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speak, except for the your grandmother's
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handle of a gun. Was that to you did it
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speak so loud to you like this was my
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absolute time to go? Like this is my
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time to just go and actually be what God
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has sent me out to be. Like, did you
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feel that?
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Yeah, I absolutely felt it.
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I set it up for you.
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I start as a magician. You know, I have
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doves. I got big boxes at the house. And
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I got guillotines. And I'm also a
15:38
drummer. I got a band.
15:40
And me and this kid Johnny Brett, who's
15:42
a trumpet player.
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Um very talented musician. We had a
15:46
band. And uh
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I was a drummer.
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My house catches on fire. Mhm.
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And I lose the drums and all the magic
15:54
equipment. But I had gone
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to see
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Al Green perform. Al Green, yeah. And he
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had a comic open for him.
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And I had that in the back of my head.
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And every day in college, in my junior
16:09
year, I used to go play ball at 3:00
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when classes were finished.
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And when you finish playing ball, you're
16:15
taking off your socks to put on your
16:16
slides. And I would sit and talk to my
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guy.
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Cuz we'd come to the gym every day and
16:20
ball. Cuz that's how
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that that was our release.
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>> Yeah, you know.
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>> Yeah.
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And that guy, we used to dream.
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And we used to talk about
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the stand-up I saw.
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And maybe being a stand-up. So, when the
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house burns down, this all comes
16:36
together. By the way, my friend was
16:38
Steve Harvey. Mhm. Oh my gosh.
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>> Yeah. And uh wow.
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>> We're sitting there every day.
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>> Y'all used to play ball together?
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>> Yeah. Who was nicest? Oh.
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>> just curious. I mean, you know.
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I you know.
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I was nice.
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>> Okay.
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Al.
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When when when you talking [ __ ] Steve
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always won. Okay. You know. Uh-huh. But
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when it was just about making somebody
17:04
put their weight on their left and
17:05
taking a right.
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>> Yeah. He was crossing them up.
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>> over. Okay. Uh you know, the geometry in
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my game was incredible. Oh, look at
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this.
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Talk your [ __ ] Al. said Okay, so y'all
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used to sit y'all used to play everyday?
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>> Yeah, we used to play everyday. And then
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one time we went to see I think
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Dick Gregory came
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>> Mhm. Mhm. to campus and Franklin Ajaye
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who had been in a movie called Car Wash.
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Car Wash. He came and he did stand up
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and me and Steve were focused. That's
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what we wanted to do. And Steve had some
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problems with academic probation. Mhm.
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And he didn't get to come back in his
17:43
senior year.
17:45
Back then you didn't have a cell phone.
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If you didn't get Steve mama's number
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you couldn't find Steve. So everybody's
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like, Steve didn't come back. Steve
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didn't come back. I'm like, oh, me and
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Steve we would dream together. Who am I
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going to dream with? But years later
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I turn on Showtime at the Apollo. Wow.
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And I say
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that's Steve from college.
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>> Oh my god. We dreamed of everything
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we're living right now.
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It's important to dream. It's important
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to dream, man. Arsenio Hall is here.
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Wow. Man, I I'm that's that's I didn't
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really realize that much with Steve
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Harvey. You you've had so many when you
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read through this book, shout out to
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Tanya.
18:29
Tanya. Tanya. Shout out to Tanya. Tanya,
18:33
for those who don't know, is somebody
18:35
that Arsenio met in his in his along his
18:38
journey that was the catalyst to him
18:41
meeting Earvin Magic Johnson.
18:43
>> Yeah. Right? And Yeah. And Tanya was
18:45
able to get you tickets
18:47
to the Lakers game, right?
18:49
>> and Tanya
18:50
loved basketball. And I had bought
18:53
tickets to watch Magic and Jordan. The
18:56
first time Jordan came to town. Mhm. The
18:58
Great Western Forum played against Magic
19:00
Johnson. And I bought tickets out in the
19:02
parking lot. I'm a naive young man. I
19:04
just want to get in. I bought tickets
19:06
out in the parking lot, one ticket.
19:08
And my seat
19:10
is
19:12
up above where the band
19:15
you know, as a matter of fact to this
19:16
day if I hear carry on my wayward son da
19:20
da da da da da da da da da da da da da
19:22
da drove me crazy. But I was so high in
19:25
the Great Western Forum that the back of
19:27
my head touched cement. That's top.
19:30
That's how high you were.
19:32
>> Yeah, when you can lean back when you
19:33
are afraid of your seats when you're
19:35
looking down when you're actually when
19:37
you fear
19:38
You got a hot fear of heights. Yeah,
19:40
it's like wow. And and you're looking
19:42
down and you think you see Worthy
19:44
because he has on goggles, but you
19:46
really can't tell who's who except
19:48
except Kurt Rambis was white.
19:50
>> Yeah. Right.
19:52
And that's how high I was. So I meet
19:54
Tanya and I joke about that. I'd been
19:56
talking about it to Comedy Store getting
19:58
bad tickets.
19:59
And she says, "I know
20:02
Ervin."
20:03
And I'm like, "Nobody called him Ervin."
20:05
Yeah. She says, "Yeah, Erv will get us
20:06
tickets." And I'm like,
20:08
"Erv? Magic?"
20:10
I said, "You don't know no Magic
20:11
Johnson."
20:13
She calls him on the phone. Damn. Wow.
20:15
>> And she she even says, "I'll call him at
20:18
4:00 cuz on a game day he takes a nap."
20:22
Yeah. And we don't want to wake him up.
20:24
And she calls him
20:26
and tells him who she's with and he
20:28
says, "Oh, I've seen him do stand-up at
20:30
the Comedy Store. Yeah, y'all come
20:31
through. I'll leave tickets at will
20:33
call." And that's how I met Magic
20:35
through my friend Tanya. Yeah, but how
20:36
did that make you feel that Magic knew
20:38
who you were at that time?
20:40
Well, I I didn't even know
20:43
that he had ever been to the Comedy
20:44
Store, but Magic loves comedy and
20:46
sometimes he would come in and the
20:47
doorman said he would sneak in and just
20:49
sit in the back. Mhm. And uh
20:52
yeah, he loves stand-up. But it it it
20:54
made me feel like
20:56
the television was working. The few
20:58
things I had done. You know, being on
21:00
Norm Solid Gold, Norm Crosby's Comedy
21:03
Shop, getting a shot
21:05
on The Tonight Show with Joan Rivers.
21:07
Yeah. You know, uh Don Kirshner's Rock
21:10
Concert with Cameo.
21:12
Yeah, I just want to be want to want me
21:15
to be Your son is like very impressed
21:17
that I know all this stuff. He's like,
21:19
"Yo, Sway really be knowing this shit."
21:20
I was there, too, son.
21:23
But I I find that's the other thing
21:25
because a lot of times when you when
21:27
you're still rising in your journey and
21:29
you see these people like Joan Rivers,
21:31
you met Joan Rivers, somebody took you
21:33
over there to meet her and you start
21:35
trying to crack jokes. You start making
21:36
her laugh and sometimes we don't know we
21:39
don't have the heart to do that. We
21:40
don't have the gall to do that and you
21:43
have to have 100% faith and belief in
21:45
yourself to do that, right? Like you
21:48
went to crack jokes to one of the
21:49
funniest people, one of the sharpest
21:52
people who was out at that time. Yeah,
21:54
edgy, sharp, funny lady. But you know,
21:58
I had nothing, Sway. Yeah.
22:00
So, you got to take a shot. Okay.
22:03
>> I'm I'm walking through the supermarket
22:04
in those days and I'm eating while I'm
22:07
in Ralphs, you know, pretending like I'm
22:09
shopping, putting food in my cart
22:12
and eating cookies while I'm there,
22:13
taking sausage samples from the lady
22:15
who's selling Jimmy Deans in the frozen
22:17
food section and then running out of the
22:19
store and leaving the cart. That's how I
22:21
ate sometimes, you know.
22:24
Really, bro? Yeah, man.
22:27
You know, you you just walk around the
22:29
store pretend like you're shopping and
22:30
you're eating things out of that little
22:32
child seat.
22:33
You know.
22:34
You had to take your shot, but taking
22:36
that shot led you
22:38
to Joan calling you to fill in for
22:41
somebody who wasn't there, right?
22:43
>> Yeah, I got to go and do stand-up
22:46
and Johnny hadn't been feeling me, you
22:48
know. The Johnny Carson talent
22:50
coordinator said that I wasn't a Carson
22:55
comic. What did that mean to you,
22:57
though?
22:58
Well,
22:59
it meant I needed
23:01
to understand
23:04
crossover commercial comedy a little
23:06
better. Okay. Cuz I'd been on the road
23:09
with Aretha Franklin Mhm. and Johnny
23:12
Guitar Watson
23:13
and I knew how to make my audience
23:15
laugh. Mhm. But I had to learn
23:18
to do some dial Jones punchlines. Yeah.
23:21
And I had to learn to cross over a
23:23
little bit. Mhm.
23:25
Yeah. And and so um and for that reason
23:28
um you wasn't a Johnny Carson
23:31
type comedian.
23:33
And so instead of being a comedian, you
23:36
decided to do what Johnny Carson does.
23:38
Yeah. And I had planned that all my
23:40
life.
23:40
>> All his life. All your life.
23:41
>> That's what's so crazy.
23:42
>> to do a talk show in the basement. I
23:43
used to have my friends come over. My
23:45
mother had these folding chairs from
23:47
card parties and rent parties that we
23:48
used to do. And I would use those chairs
23:50
before the company came to pick them up
23:51
and take them back. Uh the rental
23:53
company. And I would put them out and I
23:55
would put a card table out and put my
23:58
chair next to it and I would interview
23:59
friends in the neighborhood and we'd
24:02
uh put a Temptations greatest hits album
24:04
on and somebody would lip sync. That'd
24:06
be my musical guest. So I was doing too
24:08
much music even in my basement show. Too
24:10
much music.
24:11
>> Crazy.
24:12
>> You fought for the music till the end.
24:14
Um and I we would appreciate that
24:16
because what you did really ignited and
24:19
sparked generations
24:21
of artists like ourselves who to this
24:24
day still have jobs because to to to me
24:27
you were a case in point. You was the
24:29
proof of concept, right? A lot of us
24:31
thought that the show ended because of
24:33
the and I know you talk about this, but
24:35
we we haven't talked about it. A lot of
24:37
people thought the show ended because of
24:39
the
24:40
uh honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan
24:42
interview you did. But when I look in
24:44
the book, you actually reveal a letter
24:48
of resignation. Yeah. So it was you who
24:51
made the decision
24:53
to wrap up the show. It was you who
24:55
wrote Paramount and explained, "Hey,
24:58
it's time for me to go. The guy business
25:00
I think has run its course. Yeah. Why
25:03
did you do that?
25:05
Well,
25:07
there are a lot of things going on. My
25:08
money is tied
25:10
to my ratings. Okay. When Letterman
25:13
comes in
25:15
to CBS, I lose my CBS affiliates. And I
25:18
don't want to talk too much TV, but I
25:20
was a first-run syndicated show. Mhm. I
25:23
may be WPIX in New York. I could be
25:26
uh
25:27
13 here,
25:29
but I may have a CBS affiliate in some
25:31
big cities.
25:33
When Letterman came into the game, I
25:34
lost all my big affiliates, my CBS
25:36
affiliates, and I was just small
25:38
stations, which changed how much money I
25:41
make.
25:41
>> Mhm. And it changed
25:44
what I could do, the budget I had. You
25:46
know, I joke about Prince wanting a
25:48
purple piano. Yeah. And uh
25:51
you know, when your show is on fire,
25:53
you say Prince want a purple piano.
25:55
Yeah, right.
25:56
>> and uh
25:57
when Letterman comes to the game, takes
25:59
all your CBS affiliates, you say more
26:01
like Uh
26:02
Hey, could I tell you something Prince
26:04
said?
26:07
You know, Uh-huh. cuz you you don't have
26:09
as much power Uh-huh. to do those
26:10
things. And And it's like I said, it's
26:12
cheaper to do talk guests
26:15
than to do music guests. Like
26:18
I realized what they were trying to get
26:20
me to do then. If you think about it,
26:22
look what's happened
26:23
to the business. Those big glitzy shows
26:25
are in trouble. Yeah. Those shows that
26:27
have those budgets and bands, they're in
26:30
trouble. Now, it's about sitting and
26:33
talking with Sway, or sitting and
26:35
talking with Joe Rogan. Those things are
26:37
financially feasible
26:39
to do.
26:40
Um
26:42
What What I was doing, you can't do that
26:44
every night
26:45
in syndication without a big network.
26:47
And I always knew I wasn't the ABC, CBS,
26:49
NBC guy. Mhm. You know, they used to
26:52
tell me, "Well, if you do a more
26:53
commercial crossover show, you can be in
26:55
a position to inherit Johnny's viewers
26:58
when Johnny leaves, and we know Johnny's
27:00
going to retire at some point." And I
27:02
didn't want that cuz I knew what that
27:03
meant. I knew that meant often doing a
27:05
show that I wasn't enjoying. So, my
27:08
thing was
27:10
I'll do 6 years my way instead of 26
27:12
years their way.
27:14
I love it, man.
27:15
>> And and try to stack bags. At the same
27:17
time. Cuz we thought you were filthy
27:19
rich.
27:22
We just like Arsenio's the richest man
27:24
in America right now, man. We're going
27:26
to come back with Arsenio Hall and talk
27:28
more about his book and this amazing
27:30
career.
27:31
>> Yes. You know, uh you talk about Paula
27:33
Abdul in this book as well and I I want
27:36
to talk about fame and celebrity. You
27:38
know, we've all It's It's a drug now.
27:41
You know, we've all experienced it on
27:43
certain levels. And I want to I want to
27:45
talk to you about get your introspective
27:47
on fame and celebrity, too. All right?
27:49
>> it, man. Arsenio's here. 888-742-3345.
27:55
Oh, man.
27:58
I'm building with Arsenio right now. I
28:00
love it.
28:01
>> I think something I think something big
28:03
going to come out of this. It had to be.
28:04
Let's go.
28:05
You know, um
28:08
Arsenio has this new book. He's already
28:10
a best seller. Ow. Buy two of them.
28:12
Arsenio tells you buy two, one for
28:14
yourself, one for your friend.
28:16
Yeah. It's a Give it to somebody who
28:18
don't know who the hell I am. Exactly,
28:20
right.
28:22
Um I want to talk to you about fame
28:25
because you you experienced it on a
28:27
level that
28:28
and at a time
28:30
uh when there wasn't no social media and
28:33
being here in LA when the when the
28:35
Lakers were the Lakers, you know what I
28:37
mean? And it was just, you know, Michael
28:40
was Michael, you know. Mhm. Eddie was
28:43
Eddie. Yes. You know.
28:45
>> name
28:46
One-name brothers, right? And Arsenio
28:49
one was right there. Oh well. No, I
28:51
don't know. You know, kind of yeah,
28:53
Hall, but I know I told you What could I
28:54
say? I was trying You was right there.
28:55
You was right there. Yo dude, um like
28:59
you mentioned Michael.
29:01
Um
29:02
meeting Quincy Jones for the first time.
29:04
He came to see me do stand up, calls me
29:06
the next day on a landline. See, that
29:08
was a thing back then. You all don't
29:10
know having texting and
29:12
>> Yeah. cell phones. You Prince used to do
29:15
concerts, surprise concerts downtown and
29:18
he would put them together and you can't
29:20
imagine how he did it without a cell
29:22
phone. I mean, Queen Latifah would call
29:24
me and somebody would call somebody else
29:27
and before you know it down at Glam Slam
29:29
we'd all be in there.
29:30
>> Wow. 3:00 in the morning Prince trying
29:32
new material.
29:33
>> Uh-huh. The Michael Jackson moment that
29:35
I talk about in the book Quincy Jones
29:37
comes to see me do stand up, invites me
29:39
to the studio the next day and he wants
29:41
to play new stuff for me.
29:43
And he's playing at the
29:46
the board.
29:47
And he says, "Listen to this." And he
29:49
just playing
29:52
stuff like that, you know? And I'm like,
29:54
"What's that?" He says, "That's That's
29:55
Michael, man. Listen to this." And then
29:56
he brings it out.
29:59
Yeah, man. And so
30:02
I don't I have no idea that I'm
30:04
listening to the most incredible album
30:06
ever.
30:07
>> The greatest of all time. Do he and he
30:09
says, "Listen to this." He
30:10
He says, "You hear that? The tinging?
30:13
That's Sheila E. She's playing pop
30:14
bottles. She got different amounts of
30:15
water in the bottles and they make
30:17
different notes.
30:19
It's Sheila E. Oh yeah, I've heard of
30:21
the I've cuz I had bought a Escovedo one
30:23
of the Escovedo family members. I had
30:26
bought his album a jazz album. So, I
30:27
knew that name, that Sheila E name.
30:30
And then he says, "You're from Ohio,
30:32
right?" And I'm like, "Yeah." He says,
30:33
"Let me play you something." And they
30:34
put big reels on back then, big giant
30:36
reels. And he would say, "This guy is
30:39
from your way, uh" and he played Fine
30:41
100 Ways and just once. And he said his
30:44
name is James Ingram and I'm like, "Wow,
30:47
we never heard of him." He says, "Yeah,
30:49
this is scratch track, man. They sent it
30:50
to me so I could hear how the song
30:52
sounded, but I like this guy. I may just
30:54
let this guy do it." And that's how it
30:56
went down. But that day
30:59
was one of those days where people talk
31:01
about pinching themselves. It's like
31:03
I'm listening to the Off the Wall
31:05
material before anyone's ever heard it
31:07
and it's just once by this young man,
31:10
James Ingram.
31:12
I've had an incredible life.
31:13
>> You've had an incredible life, bro. And
31:16
when you bring up Michael Jackson, I
31:17
think one of the most the biggest moment
31:20
that ever happened on late night TV, in
31:22
my opinion, happened on your show. I
31:25
want to play this clip real quick.
31:27
>> Okay.
31:29
And just in case you didn't know it,
31:31
we have something that we'd like to
31:33
present to Eddie and I'll let Michael
31:36
tell you the rest.
31:38
Congratulations to the king of comedy,
31:40
Eddie Murphy.
31:42
The greatest
31:43
comedian of all time, the king.
31:49
This is an award that MTV has actually
31:54
put together and viewers
31:56
>> The viewers, thank you. The viewers
31:57
voted. That's y'all.
31:59
We We have something we got to give you.
32:01
This MTV sent this over. I don't know if
32:03
you know about this, but
32:05
>> The viewers award for Michael Jackson
32:07
for the greatest video in the history of
32:09
all videos, Thriller.
32:13
Thank you. Yeah, I I was shocked that
32:15
Michael was You know, like I'm in this
32:17
business, but that's one person when
32:18
he's around, I'm still like
32:20
>> to say. I was like, you know,
32:22
you want to go home now. Like this the
32:24
show is over.
32:26
He's like, "Michael, let's I'll see you
32:27
later."
32:30
Don't you feel like Don't you feel like
32:31
right now YOU SHOULD BE GOING TOWARDS
32:32
THE EXIT?
32:34
IT WAS LIKE WHEN HE FIRST came out,
32:35
y'all was didn't quite Y'all like,
32:37
"That's a look-alike. That's not
32:39
Yo, man.
32:41
Hey, that ain't no look-alike.
32:44
Come on, man. I just got Yo, man. Just
32:47
say that that right there is a round of
32:49
applause, bro.
32:50
>> Sure. Mike. Mike, man.
32:52
W- What do you
32:54
Eddie Murphy is
32:56
the legend, the goat, one of my favorite
32:57
of all times. Michael, too. And you're
32:59
right there in between them. You know,
33:02
you're the conduit. You're the one that
33:04
made that happen. If you If it wasn't
33:06
for you,
33:07
that moment couldn't have happened.
33:09
>> Right.
33:09
>> And I loved making things happen. I
33:12
remember
33:14
guys like Clarence Avant would help me
33:16
make magic things happen. Um
33:19
Charlie from Philly. Mhm.
33:22
Charlie Mack would bring Will Smith by.
33:25
Mhm. And Will Smith would go into a room
33:28
and have a conversation with Quincy
33:30
Jones because
33:32
they had an idea about this show where a
33:35
kid moves to
33:37
Bel-Air.
33:38
>> to Bel-Air.
33:39
And uh I think Benny Medina was in the
33:41
mix. And And they all
33:44
came up with that show on Stage 29. I
33:47
would put people together. I loved that
33:50
networking cuz sometimes, you know,
33:53
we don't [ __ ] with each other the way we
33:55
should, you know?
33:56
>> Talk about that, bro. I ain't doing
33:57
nothing with them [ __ ]
33:58
>> Yeah.
33:58
>> Talk about that, bro.
34:00
>> Yeah. And And so, I loved putting people
34:02
together Mhm. and making things happen.
34:05
Um even matchmaking. Yeah. You know,
34:08
trying to Who did you put together? Who
34:09
Who what couple did you put together?
34:10
>> one time, this didn't work out really
34:12
well. I
34:14
I introduced uh Charles Barkley to
34:17
Madonna.
34:19
Madonna
34:21
Madonna Madonna called me and she said
34:24
uh "He's cute." Cuz I had him on an
34:26
interview and she said, "He's cute." And
34:28
I said, "Well, you know,
34:29
the uh Suns are playing the Lakers. You
34:31
want to go to the game? And she said,
34:33
"Yeah." So, me and her and Rosie
34:35
O'Donnell went to see the Lakers and the
34:37
Suns. And after the game,
34:40
I took her back to meet this guy that
34:42
she said was cute. And she met Charles
34:44
Barkley. Now, I don't know what happened
34:45
after that, but analytically, when I
34:48
looked it up, Charles' numbers in the
34:50
playoffs were better than they had been
34:51
in the regular season.
34:52
>> that's because of Arsenio Hall, man.
34:56
But let me ask you
34:57
>> That's the important breast. Let me ask
34:59
you this question.
35:00
>> So, what?
35:01
You're hilarious.
35:02
When you hang around so many iconic
35:04
people, you got to observe. Like, you
35:07
got to like Heather said, she study
35:08
people. You study people before you
35:10
became who you are. What is the common
35:12
denominator that you found between a
35:15
Michael Jackson, um a Eddie Murphy,
35:19
uh a Madonna,
35:21
uh Irving Magic Johnson? What did they
35:24
all have in common in terms of how they
35:26
became who they are?
35:29
Me and my son, who's in the room, we
35:30
joke about this a lot. I think
35:33
hunger
35:34
Mhm.
35:35
is really important.
35:38
One of the boxers used to say it's hard
35:41
to run in the morning after sleeping on
35:42
silk sheets. Yeah. Mhm. All these guys
35:46
we talk about, do you know what size
35:48
house the Jacksons were brought up in in
35:51
Indiana? This room
35:54
is the size of their entire home.
35:57
Magic Johnson's dad was a hard worker.
36:01
And he inherited that hard work ethic.
36:04
And it's really hard
36:07
to be as successful as those people
36:09
without that hunger. I'll tell you
36:10
something else that's important about
36:11
those people, and I've talked to Eddie
36:13
Murphy about this. We had people like
36:16
Ali
36:17
that were watching as we're growing up.
36:20
Think of the influence
36:22
of a Muhammad Ali on young black men.
36:25
This guy who for the first time
36:27
after a match would take out his comb
36:29
and say, "I'm so pretty." Yeah.
36:32
The The self-esteem that we got out of
36:35
that generation of Martin Luther King
36:40
uh Malcolm X
36:41
>> Mhm.
36:42
All those people, that's who we were We
36:44
were watching Ali.
36:46
And um
36:48
I remember one time I'm playing ball.
36:50
I'm broke. Playing ball at Poinsettia
36:52
Park.
36:53
And uh I see a gang of people outside
36:57
in front of the park.
36:59
And me and Mark Jackson had just balled.
37:01
Mark Jack You was balling You was
37:02
balling on that level, though? Yeah.
37:04
Hey.
37:05
And when you got Mark Jackson on your
37:07
team
37:07
>> Yeah. y'all going to win all day. Yeah.
37:09
You know, y'all could keep calling
37:10
winners cuz we going to We holding the
37:12
court. But yeah.
37:14
Ali is
37:15
in the middle of a crowd making a
37:17
Kleenex disappear, doing magic for kids.
37:21
And that was full circle cuz he was
37:22
doing a trick that I used to do as a
37:24
kid. Sometimes things would happen to me
37:27
and I'd be like,
37:28
"God wants me here." Cuz I would see
37:30
things come full circle in my own life.
37:33
You know, and and I'm I was going to
37:35
find the positive even if it wasn't
37:37
there. I have a way of just trying to
37:40
think positive and dream. Wow.
37:44
Heather, so that's so crazy because you
37:46
mentioned about being places
37:49
to me reading this book I knew you were
37:52
talented, Arsenio, because we watched
37:55
you as we said. And it People don't know
37:57
what goes behind being a great host.
38:00
They have no idea. You can be a host,
38:02
but a great host is different. That's
38:04
different. And you did exactly that.
38:07
Thank you, Heather. But then
38:09
all of these layers behind you, you
38:10
could have been a preacher. You were
38:12
actually being pushed to go in that
38:13
direction. You The preacher in Coming to
38:15
America? Yo. Yeah.
38:16
>> That's all my dad's friend.
38:18
>> friend?
38:19
>> used to take me to the Baptist
38:20
Ministers' Convention. I'd meet
38:21
preachers from all over the country, and
38:23
when it was time to write the dialogue
38:25
and create that character, I remember a
38:27
preacher named Reverend Humphrey in
38:30
Chicago, and he preached a sermon about
38:32
joy. It stayed in my mind as a kid, and
38:35
when it was time to do Coming to
38:36
America, I GOT JOY.
38:39
AND THAT sermon came out in that movie.
38:42
You know, if loving you is wrong, I
38:44
don't want TO BE RIGHT.
38:48
YOU KNOW, AND AND ALL those things from
38:50
dad, you know. So, that's what I want to
38:52
talk ask you about all of these things.
38:55
You the band, the radio, the basketball,
38:58
you could have really chosen anything.
39:01
Hank Morehouse, though. Yeah. Hank
39:04
Morehouse
39:04
>> read the book.
39:05
I can't put it down. Wow. I can't put it
39:09
down. But Hank Morehouse, to me,
39:13
put the seed in you Yeah. that you would
39:16
not allow to be snatched out of your
39:17
spirit.
39:19
How do you
39:22
help other people when they may be in
39:24
that place of I don't know which way to
39:26
go, because you may be a multi-talented
39:29
person, but to me, you could not give up
39:32
that comedy seed. You couldn't give it
39:34
up. How What would you say to people
39:37
like yourself that may need someone to
39:39
plant that seed in you like Mr. Hank
39:41
Morehouse did? Yeah.
39:43
That was a a magician who told me he
39:46
said, "I loved the magic, but I loved it
39:49
more when you talked." He said, "You're
39:51
only 12, and
39:53
you were making adults laugh."
39:55
And he said, "I think you're going to be
39:57
a stand-up comic one day." I didn't know
39:59
those words, stand-up comic. And I told
40:01
Steve years later, I said, "When we
40:03
talked about it," I said,
40:05
"You know, when I was doing magic, this
40:06
dude used to tell me I was funny when I
40:08
talked during my magic." And
40:11
and I said, "He told me that I was going
40:13
to be a stand-up comic one day." And me
40:14
and Steve would talk about that kind of
40:15
stuff. But but getting more specific to
40:18
your question,
40:20
um
40:22
first of all, do what you love. That old
40:25
thing about doing what you love and
40:26
you'll never have to work, it's so true.
40:28
I tried to
40:30
do things I love and do everything
40:32
because you never know
40:34
when Quincy Jones again with Quincy
40:36
called me and he says, "I hear you got
40:37
the talk show." And I said, "Yeah." He
40:38
said, "Write your theme song, man." And
40:40
I said, "What?" He says, "You was in the
40:42
marching band. You you you know that
40:44
stuff. You know the A S D F." Mhm.
40:46
>> Wow. You know? Uh write write a melody.
40:48
Uh put a bassline and the drums in
40:50
there. And
40:51
here's how he helped me dream. And I
40:53
hope we do this for young people that we
40:55
come in contact with. The next day, we
40:58
used to have messengers in Hollywood.
40:59
The next day, a little Casio keyboard
41:03
came to my condo, was messengered to me.
41:06
I opened it up
41:08
and there was a little butt card, a
41:09
little note, and Quincy said, "Write
41:12
your theme song." And he knew I would
41:14
make money every time it was played.
41:16
Wow. So, he put me up on game. And I sat
41:18
there
41:20
and
41:22
didn't know how to write a song, but I
41:23
had in my head
41:25
it's Hall or Nothing.
41:27
It's Hall or Nothing. And that's what I
41:29
came from?
41:30
>> and cuz cuz it's like there was an ad an
41:33
ad and and
41:36
I was I was thinking I this is my shot.
41:40
Mhm. And and so, I started writing the
41:41
It's Hall or Nothing, picking notes. Ba
41:44
ba ba ba ba ba ba ba
41:46
It's Hall or Nothing.
41:49
No one else will do. It's Hall or
41:50
Nothing you mind before I'm through.
41:53
And I remember Eddie teasing me and
41:55
saying, "Yeah, that's a good song, man.
41:56
That's a real good song."
42:00
And finally, I got it together and put
42:01
the drums on it, put a nice bassline on
42:04
it. And um
42:05
every time it plays, I get paid. Man,
42:08
Arsenio Hall, man.
42:10
I'm on a couple more, man. Um
42:14
I wanted to touch on fame a little bit
42:16
because I feel like
42:19
in this generation,
42:21
we're seeing celebrity and fame like
42:24
we've never seen before. It was only so
42:25
many ways you could become famous and a
42:27
celebrity you know, just a couple of
42:30
decades ago. You either had to be on
42:32
radio, music videos, or TV. Like it was
42:35
or you committed a crime, right?
42:37
>> Yeah. All right.
42:38
But now, you could become famous on
42:40
YouTube, Tik Tok, Instagram. And and
42:45
you know, I dare say, you know, this is
42:47
something you you planned on doing. You
42:49
wanted to be in the business
42:52
from a child and perhaps you were maybe
42:55
properly prepared for it at least as
42:58
prepared as you can be. I've dealt with
43:00
it. Heather's dealt with it. She was the
43:01
first African-American reality TV star
43:04
when she did the first season of Real
43:05
World. If it wasn't for her, there would
43:07
not be no reality TV. She's the one that
43:10
brought the ruckus, right? I worked on
43:12
MTV and worked in you know, syndicated
43:15
radio for years. It's difficult
43:18
to to really cope with fame. I don't
43:21
think it's natural for a person to have
43:22
millions and millions of people know
43:25
you, right?
43:26
>> And the money thing, nobody teaches us
43:28
as young people what to do with our
43:30
money, especially in the hood. There's
43:32
no generational wealth and someone
43:33
teaching you how to invest and what to
43:35
do. When that first hits, when you first
43:37
get paper, that's the real hard part cuz
43:40
you don't know. I remember having a
43:41
million-dollar check
43:43
and I'm looking at it and I'm like
43:46
what should I do? Yeah. You know, what
43:48
how how how do I what's next, you know?
43:51
I held it for a long time.
43:52
>> But how did you learn? Who taught you?
43:55
You know, all all all my heroes meant
43:57
that I I wasn't shy about asking Don
44:00
Cornelius could I take him to lunch.
44:02
Okay. You know, I wasn't shy
44:05
asking questions. I remember Al Alan
44:08
Thicke, and it wasn't just black heroes.
44:12
You know, when I would meet Alan Thicke,
44:14
I would talk to him. I remember he had a
44:15
son who liked R&B, a little boy.
44:18
And it dawned on me
44:20
when years later that becomes Robin
44:22
Thicke and we hear "Lost Without You"
44:24
and the soulful
44:26
element of that song, you realize we
44:28
know who we are at a very early age. If
44:31
nobody kills that dream, we kind of know
44:33
what we love and who we are. That was a
44:34
little white boy who liked R&B. Look who
44:37
he is now, Robin Thicke is a white R&B
44:40
singer. So, dream and let your kids
44:44
dream.
44:44
>> Let your Yeah, absolutely. What advice
44:46
would you give to young folks who are
44:48
starting to come into fame though? Like
44:50
you dealt with it on a high level. I
44:52
don't know if you ever
44:53
if it ever drove you off your path, what
44:55
kind of challenges you had dealing with
44:57
fame, but what would you suggest to
44:59
people who are dealing with fame?
45:01
I really do believe that we don't talk
45:03
enough
45:04
to others
45:06
and elders. Because everything you're
45:08
going through someone has experienced
45:10
it. And
45:12
I know it's hard to say, "Hey,
45:14
can I take you to lunch? Can we have
45:15
lunch?"
45:16
But it's really important. Like I used
45:18
to watch
45:20
managers on the golf course. I didn't
45:22
know nothing about golf, but I'm like
45:24
they walk more than they play and they
45:27
talk and they share. Yeah. And we have
45:30
to do that. Okay.
45:31
>> You know, we have to talk to each other
45:33
and share and
45:35
uh sit down and learn all the different
45:38
things cuz there's a lot of game out
45:40
here. Yeah. And there are people who
45:42
were Don Cornelius put me up I talk in
45:45
the book a lot.
45:46
>> Yeah. You know, Dana Walden
45:48
who is the most powerful woman in
45:50
Hollywood. She runs Disney. Mhm.
45:53
She was part of my crew
45:56
back in the day because I met her and
45:58
she was one of the smartest people I'd
46:00
ever met. She was Dana Freedman then.
46:02
And I remember Don Cornelius saying,
46:06
"The networks are going to have their
46:07
dogs. Make sure you have yours."
46:11
And
46:13
he put me up on game. He also said,
46:15
"And when you hire people that you
46:17
trust,
46:19
always make sure you're the stupidest
46:21
person in the room. Hire smarter
46:23
people." And that's why people like Dana
46:25
Walden were brought
46:27
in into my life. And
46:30
he also
46:31
explained to me that
46:34
when you bring these people you got you
46:36
got to you got to listen sometimes to
46:39
to different people, different ideas.
46:40
So,
46:41
keep a lot of people around you that are
46:43
smarter than you.
46:45
Arsenio Hall, man. I you you mentioned
46:47
the word full circle and thank you for
46:49
that. You mentioned full circle and
46:52
there's a artist I know
46:54
that um for decades wanted to meet you
46:57
and actually had a chance to perform on
47:00
your show and wasn't able to meet you.
47:03
And I'm going to play this performance
47:04
back for you real quick and see if you
47:06
remember this performance. Taurus, go
47:07
ahead and hit it.
47:08
>> Yeah.
47:31
This person right here.
47:52
Razor's back.
47:58
Rock the boat. Rock the boat. Don't
47:59
stop.
48:00
>> All right, real up, real up, real up.
48:01
What you think of that artist?
48:03
What you think of that that lady that
48:05
was rapping right there?
48:06
Now,
48:09
I like what I like.
48:10
>> Yeah. And I was feeling it for a minute.
48:13
There was a There was a thing that was
48:15
reminiscent of Yo-Yo in there that I
48:17
kind of liked.
48:18
>> Yeah. Who Who was that? Heather B.
48:20
WOW.
48:25
THAT WAS HEATHER B.
48:26
>> WHEN I heard the reference to raisers,
48:29
I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.
48:32
AND HEATHER, tell us Heather, tell them
48:34
about your experience. What I was
48:36
telling everybody this week, uh we were
48:38
all excited that you were coming.
48:40
And I was ushered into the music
48:42
industry by KRS-One. He was my music
48:44
mentor.
48:45
And so, I remember in 1990
48:49
I was a sophomore in college. He calls,
48:50
he's like, "We're going to the Arsenio
48:52
Hall show." My first time in California,
48:54
June 1990. The Edutainment album was
48:57
coming out the following month, July.
49:00
And we were all backstage. I had my
49:02
little cardboard camera. You know the
49:04
cameras that used to come in the
49:05
cardboard box?
49:06
>> And they were disposable.
49:07
>> Disposable cameras, yes.
49:08
>> And this how you wind them.
49:12
I have Yes, I had my camera backstage. I
49:15
was ready.
49:17
And we were all backstage and I was
49:18
like, "Here he come. Here he come."
49:20
Talking about you.
49:21
>> And you said,
49:23
"Peace. Thank y'all for coming." And I
49:24
was like, "He's so shy. What What What
49:27
happened? He didn't say nothing. We
49:29
can't get a picture right now. We can't
49:31
do nothing."
49:32
>> He didn't do nothing.
49:34
I was Everything just like drained out.
49:37
I didn't know what happened. And the the
49:38
stage came up and we go out to perform
49:41
to celebrate Nelson Mandela, you know,
49:43
uh being released from prison.
49:46
And I said I was telling the team here
49:48
all week. I said, "You know, I always
49:50
wanted to meet Arsenio Hall." I was
49:52
like, I'd do his show, but I was there
49:55
because of KRS-One. You invited him to
49:57
come to the couch and everything
49:59
afterwards. The rest of the crew had to
50:00
stay back, and rightfully so.
50:02
>> Yeah. But the power of manifestation,
50:04
Arsenio, and the power of dreaming. It
50:07
took 36 years later. Yeah. Get out of
50:10
here.
50:10
>> Yeah, I want y'all to hug. Y'all should
50:11
>> Shut up, SWAY.
50:14
BUT YOU'RE HERE AT A SHOW. LIKE, I was
50:17
on your show.
50:18
>> Yeah.
50:18
>> And now, 36 years later, you're here
50:21
>> on your show. And it's with Sway in the
50:23
morning. Like The power, just the power
50:26
of dreaming. Like, I never stopped
50:28
dreaming, and I knew the day would
50:29
happen. I just didn't know how. And I
50:31
always say, God is your how. Like, God
50:34
is your how. I think we worry so much
50:36
about how things will happen. Sometimes
50:38
we block, we miss it.
50:39
>> Yeah.
50:40
>> You know, but we we do the work, and we
50:41
allow God to be the how. So, thank you.
50:44
Well, and the great thing about this era
50:46
that we're living in,
50:47
I didn't get to hear this from you until
50:50
today.
50:51
But, my my favorite thing in the world,
50:54
well, my second favorite thing, I I like
50:56
weed. That's my favorite thing.
51:02
But but YouTube is is my second favorite
51:05
thing in the world. And I know exactly
51:06
who you are. And you know, when I walked
51:09
in,
51:09
>> You said, "Hi, how have you?"
51:10
>> Yeah. Because I know who you are, and it
51:11
brings us so close together. I love the
51:14
internet for that reason. Because
51:17
before you came to the West Coast, I
51:19
felt like
51:21
I was in touch with you constantly.
51:23
>> Yes.
51:24
>> You know, then I see you in the airport,
51:25
and I tell you that.
51:26
>> that? Oh, yeah. Okay.
51:28
But but I so I so I want to
51:29
>> You hug. Now you hug. I hugged him
51:31
already. I think I'm going to cry on his
51:33
shoulder. He he pushed me off.
51:35
But but it's so And and there were so
51:37
many young people in the mix that maybe
51:39
I didn't meet. Like, by the way, I go to
51:42
Paramount one day, and I say, "I saw
51:43
this little boy do an Elvis impression.
51:45
He's incredible. We got to bring him
51:46
on." And he was like, "Look, he's not
51:48
famous. We can't get tune-in numbers
51:50
putting
51:52
a unfamous name in the TV guide. Just
51:56
can you book Whitney again? You know?"
51:57
And
51:58
I always wanted to bring in new people,
52:00
but that kid was Bruno Mars. Oh.
52:03
>> What?
52:03
>> And and I got to Yeah, I got to put him
52:06
on. And he got to perform. And he was
52:09
amazing. He was He was this He was like
52:11
this big. He was like an embryo. He was
52:13
a tiny man.
52:14
>> Uh-huh. And he was 5 years old. And he
52:17
turned it out. But
52:19
I would fight them for stuff like that.
52:21
I'm like, "I know they don't know who he
52:22
is. And I know I won't get tune-in
52:24
numbers. People will probably turn to
52:25
Johnny Carson. But we got to put this
52:27
kid on." And I always did
52:29
They would They would One time they
52:30
said, "You should have somebody sit in
52:32
with your band sometimes, you know?
52:33
Because
52:35
David Sanborn sits in with Letterman."
52:37
And
52:37
>> Yeah. So, I I had Busta Rhymes sitting
52:40
all night. And they said, "That's not
52:41
what we were kind of thinking. More
52:42
Kenny G." Uh-huh. And and you had Busta
52:44
doing Busta sitting all night with the
52:46
band. But you got you got Bill Clinton
52:48
nominated to become the president of the
52:50
United States. Yeah, that that was
52:53
>> I give you credit for that. And you know
52:55
what?
52:55
Bill Clinton said to me
52:57
and and
52:59
it's one of the great things that I've
53:00
heard in my ear holes. He said,
53:03
"I would be president if it wasn't for
53:04
you." Oh, that's good.
53:06
That's a good Bill Clinton, too, right?
53:08
And and that's a great That's a great
53:11
thing to hear because now we run for the
53:13
highest office in the land in a
53:15
different way. We used to go on only
53:17
Sunday morning shows like Meet the
53:19
Press. And now you got to do Sway. You
53:22
got to do Kimmel. If you want to be
53:24
president, you got to go everywhere. And
53:26
that started because they were pursuing
53:28
a young demo by coming to my show. And I
53:31
asked I told Jenna Bush this recently. I
53:34
asked for her grandfather. I wanted both
53:36
of them. Uh-huh. Cuz like I said
53:38
earlier, my dad was a Republican. My mom
53:40
was a Democrat. I want to expose my
53:43
audience to everything because I'm not
53:45
one of those guys that goes lock, stock
53:47
with the Democratic Party. You got to
53:49
earn my love because I know what the
53:52
Democratic Party used to be.
53:54
You know, and so talk to me. I want them
53:57
all to talk to me and I wanted
54:00
Bush to come on when I had Clinton come
54:03
on, but we got a call from his office
54:05
and
54:05
he didn't get it. You know, he didn't
54:07
understand why anyone would go on that
54:09
show.
54:10
But now everyone understands.
54:12
>> it. Arsenio Hall, man.
54:14
>> Wow, man.
54:14
>> Brother, brother, my brother, man. Since
54:16
we're in LA, man, if you ever want to
54:18
just come co-host the show with us,
54:21
Yeah.
54:21
>> run some material, Work it out.
54:24
>> whatever, you know, you want to just
54:26
hang out, man, we are here, brother. We
54:28
are here.
54:28
>> Absolutely. That's crazy.
54:29
>> And I'm dead serious with this. There's
54:31
a There's a part of me that's like, you
54:33
know, I love to talk.
54:34
>> Yeah. And but there's another part of me
54:36
that I love to sleep. Okay, yeah, yeah,
54:38
yeah, you did say, man.
54:40
Ooh, dog.
54:42
Y'all work for real. This is serious dog
54:44
work.
54:44
>> people don't know about is the hosting.
54:46
To be a great host, you have to put that
54:48
work in. And you being chipper
54:52
and happy this early in the morning, I I
54:54
would have a real grumpy morning show.
54:57
I'd be a have a show where I'm in a robe
54:59
mad.
55:00
Yo, you said, "Ooh, Lord, y'all get up
55:02
early." We'll we'll we'll do a afternoon
55:05
broadcast for you, but man, I I really
55:06
want to Yeah. thank you for blessing our
55:09
airwaves. Well, you know, I I apologize
55:12
to the callers. I know a lot of people
55:13
lined up that want to talk, but I know
55:15
you Do you have another something you
55:16
got You got to go somewhere, so Yeah,
55:19
unfortunately, I have to go. Um I wish I
55:22
could stay. You can always come back.
55:24
fun, man. I can come back, yes. I'm so
55:26
glad you're on the West Coast, dog.
55:27
>> Man, I'm here, bro, and I ain't doing a
55:29
whole lot other than working, so let me
55:31
know.
55:32
You know, let me know. We hanging.
55:33
>> is a whole lot.
55:35
Well, it's like you said, it's what I
55:38
love to do. Yeah. You know, and I'm
55:40
happy doing it. And so, it may seem like
55:42
a whole lot, but
55:43
>> Find something that you would do free
55:46
and pursue it. And pursue it.
55:47
>> Because I still to this day
55:50
when you rolled up on me at the Comedy
55:51
Store or at the Improv, I go out four
55:54
nights a week, try material, watch the
55:56
news, and then go do material. Um
55:59
because I love doing stand-up. I love
56:02
seeing people laugh, hearing people
56:03
laugh. In the book, Heather would tell
56:05
you there's a thing where my dad was
56:08
officiating a wedding. Mhm. And uh the
56:11
couple, he says, "You may now kiss the
56:13
bride." And they kiss, and they kiss a
56:14
long time, and I scream out, "Kiss her,
56:16
don't kill her, man." And I get a big
56:19
laugh, and I get my ass whipped when I
56:21
get home. But but cuz I wasn't supposed
56:23
to say [ __ ] You know, my dad took me
56:25
with him cuz my mother couldn't keep me
56:27
that day. And uh things like that, I
56:30
look back and I say, "I've always been
56:32
addicted to laughter. I've been chasing
56:35
laughter since that day when it's like
56:37
there's something magical about it. It's
56:39
like, I like that." Yeah. I still go out
56:42
right now and do it cuz I love it.
56:43
That's what makes you happy. Mhm.
56:45
>> My man, Arsenio Hall, man. Give this man
56:47
a big round of applause. Get the book,
56:48
Arsenio. It's a best-seller. Please.
56:51
It's on the best-seller list. I'm on the
56:52
New York Times best-seller list.
56:55
Brother, I hope you enjoyed your your
56:57
stay here as much as we've enjoyed it.
56:59
And
56:59
>> This is fun.
56:59
>> We've been waiting. Like, we've been
57:01
really excited, for real. Let's continue
57:03
to build, Arsenio. If the way I feel up
57:05
here this morning
57:06
could be a lifestyle,
57:09
I'd be a happy man. This this is this is
57:11
a good feeling to get the love.
57:12
It can be. You just have to
57:15
>> Yeah, man. This is it. This is we living
57:17
in real time, man. Yes, sir. Arsenio
57:19
Hall, thank you to your son for coming.
57:20
I know Yes. When you read the book,
57:22
Arsenio will tell you that he don't
57:24
bring nobody when he got to do
57:26
Any event.
57:27
>> when you got to do Jesse Collins had you
57:28
do come out
57:30
>> Okay, at the Emmys. at the Emmys, and
57:32
you didn't take nobody with you, right?
57:34
>> Yeah, when I'm working and when I'm
57:35
focused, that's what I'm doing and I'm
57:38
no fun to be around when I'm in work
57:41
mode. But my son gets me. Uh-huh.
57:43
Because he's like me. Okay, and he looks
57:46
like you, too, man. I don't know what
57:48
his hoop game is like, but he looks like
57:49
you, man.
57:50
>> He got a jumper. Kobe gave him shoes
57:52
once when he was little.
57:53
>> Oh my god.
57:54
>> he hit three threes in the shoes Kobe
57:56
gave him. Did you? Yes. Wow.
57:59
>> And where are those shoes? We I can't
58:00
believe did
58:02
Oh, you got okay. Okay. Real quick, man,
58:04
when you talk to Eddie next, tell him we
58:05
love him, too, man. Get him up here?
58:07
Yeah. Please. Yeah. I'd love to have
58:10
Eddie up here, man. I I love the work
58:12
y'all done together.
58:13
>> Absolutely. I love the the the
58:15
brotherhood that y'all share.
58:17
That's been very inspiring. I love the
58:19
way you refer to him. He thought you
58:21
looked His mother Your mother thought
58:22
y'all looked alike or his mother thought
58:24
that y'all looked alike when you first
58:26
met. Keenan Ivory Wayans, you know.
58:29
>> Introduced us. Yeah. And me and Keenan
58:30
were waiting for Eddie to arrive at the
58:32
Comedy Store. We waited out The Improv.
58:35
Where I met you the other night.
58:36
>> That was where it happened?
58:37
>> right out there, that parking meter. And
58:39
Eddie walked up and the first thing he
58:40
said to me is
58:42
"Nigga, you don't look like me."
58:46
First thing he ever said to me. I said,
58:48
"Well, well, why you say that?" And
58:50
people had said we looked alike, you
58:51
know. And the Coming to America pitch,
58:53
all of this stuff is in this book, man.
58:55
>> bro. And and you guys going to writing
58:58
at Improv and together and you
59:00
and you sharing how talented Eddie
59:01
Murphy is, you know, was then and is
59:04
now. And he he let me be a part of
59:06
something great, dog, because he didn't
59:08
have to let me do characters. Yeah.
59:10
>> They wanted Eddie to do characters
59:12
because we loved Eddie on SNL and we
59:14
hadn't seen him do characters and they
59:16
wanted characters in Coming to America,
59:18
but it's Eddie that said "Arsenio can do
59:20
some characters." And I was like, "Uh
59:23
yes, yes, I can." You know.
59:25
>> And we made up some barbers and he said
59:28
I heard you talking about
59:30
preachers in Chicago. You got to come up
59:32
with a preacher and so he let me be a
59:34
part of this experience that has become
59:36
a part of
59:38
history and our culture. I mean I know a
59:40
family that said you know how you know
59:41
how some families watch Wiz of Oz once a
59:44
year the whole family watches.
59:46
I know black families that watch Coming
59:48
to America straight to their kids.
59:50
You know, and and so that movie to be a
59:52
part of that iconic piece of art
59:56
is is incredible that my friend let me
59:58
hang. Two times y'all did it Harlem
1:00:00
Nights. Yeah, Harlem Nights.
1:00:01
>> Harlem Nights. Harlem Nights. That's my
1:00:03
[ __ ]
1:00:03
>> That's legendary. I love Harlem That's
1:00:05
legendary.
1:00:07
When Richard Richard Pryor, Redd Foxx,
1:00:10
Della Reese and that baby talk.
1:00:12
That pinky talk. Who was your
1:00:14
inspiration for your character because
1:00:16
You know what?
1:00:18
Um
1:00:19
Eddie
1:00:20
said to me
1:00:21
it's crying man. I don't know what you
1:00:24
going to do with it but it's a brother
1:00:26
who just can never get control of his
1:00:28
emotions. Everything makes him cry. And
1:00:31
he just explained the character to me
1:00:33
and I took the script
1:00:34
and it was so much fun to do and and
1:00:37
still to this day when you go into the
1:00:40
culture when you go into the
1:00:42
neighborhood people say Harlem Nights
1:00:45
[ __ ] Harlem Nights.
1:00:47
You killed my brother. Yo that shootout
1:00:49
scene is I saw that little [ __ ]
1:00:53
Yes. That's the funniest scene ever. I
1:00:55
hit that [ __ ] with my hat.
1:00:58
Yo man Harlem Nights man.
1:01:00
Congratulations on the life man and
1:01:03
continue success man. Thank y'all. You
1:01:05
got the book now what else is coming up?
1:01:07
I I want to we want to be there. Wow.
1:01:10
Um
1:01:11
I don't know man. I just I wanted to get
1:01:13
all this out of my system. I wanted to
1:01:14
publish that letter. I wanted to tell
1:01:16
the Farrakhan story myself. You know, I
1:01:18
wanted people to know that
1:01:21
By the way,
1:01:22
the whole story is is kind of cool. I
1:01:24
read it back and and starting to
1:01:26
remember that I was with Tyra and Kenya
1:01:30
that night. Uh-huh. And do you remember
1:01:32
that restaurant, Georgia's?
1:01:33
>> Yes. Yeah, Georgia's. Yes.
1:01:35
That was the spot. That's where I met
1:01:37
Minister Farrakhan. Mustafa came over to
1:01:39
me Sure.
1:01:41
>> "My dad would like to meet you." I
1:01:43
turned around and I knew him, you know,
1:01:45
cuz you know, he's about my age.
1:01:47
>> Uh-huh.
1:01:48
And
1:01:49
I told the Minister that night. I said,
1:01:50
"Look, I'm going to talk it over with my
1:01:52
partner
1:01:53
and I'm thinking about leaving the show.
1:01:54
So, if we going to do it, now is the
1:01:56
time to do it." And what the Minister
1:01:58
say? The Minister said,
1:02:00
"You call me, brother,
1:02:03
and let me know."
1:02:04
Man. And I
1:02:06
I worked it out. You know, my thing was
1:02:09
why can't I talk to him? Why not? Phil
1:02:12
Donahue talked to him.
1:02:13
>> That's right. You know. Phil Donahue had
1:02:15
him on. Yeah, I mean, everybody talked
1:02:17
to him except the black talking heads.
1:02:19
Mhm. When you think about it, Yeah. Mike
1:02:22
Wallace and Barbara Walters, they all
1:02:24
talked to him. The only people that
1:02:25
weren't allowed to talk to him was me
1:02:27
and Oprah.
1:02:29
And so for me
1:02:31
as a stubborn young man, I know, I know,
1:02:35
I probably should have done Steve and
1:02:38
Eydie that night. Uh-huh. But the bottom
1:02:41
line is it bugged me
1:02:43
that we were all afraid to talk to the
1:02:45
Minister. I wish the podcast world
1:02:48
existed then because Trying to talk to
1:02:50
the Minister in a 10-minute segment or
1:02:52
something like that. You know, late
1:02:53
night it was it was hard, but but I knew
1:02:56
people
1:02:57
if you
1:02:58
kind of dug what he was saying,
1:03:00
then you go deeper on your own Mhm. and
1:03:03
study. But we were about to have a
1:03:05
Million Man March. I thought it was
1:03:07
really important It was.
1:03:08
>> to talk to this guy and I talked to
1:03:10
everybody else.
1:03:11
>> Mhm. Um
1:03:13
so
1:03:15
obviously
1:03:16
part of the book was to tell that story
1:03:18
and
1:03:20
I guess I exonerate Paramount because
1:03:23
they green-lit that book.
1:03:25
They knew we
1:03:26
having It wasn't like I I snuck in there
1:03:29
with Farrakhan and locked the door.
1:03:30
>> He knew he was coming,
1:03:32
yeah, right.
1:03:33
>> He was cleared at the gate.
1:03:34
>> Yeah, and it was an amazing interaction
1:03:37
and it was a very inspiring
1:03:38
conversation. I wanted to ask him
1:03:41
the community the question to ask him,
1:03:44
you know, we were whispering about who
1:03:45
killed Malcolm.
1:03:46
>> That's right.
1:03:47
>> Did the minister have anything to do
1:03:48
with that?
1:03:49
I know y'all don't want me to talk to
1:03:51
the minister, but we got questions.
1:03:53
>> Mhm. You know, and sometimes you just
1:03:55
have to let black folks do what they do.
1:03:57
>> Let black folks be black folks. I got a
1:03:59
chance to ask him that question. Really?
1:04:02
>> I got a chance to sit down and talk to
1:04:03
the honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan
1:04:05
and we and he went in detail. He didn't
1:04:08
He didn't run from the question and and
1:04:10
volunteered a lot of information and his
1:04:12
son I tell you in that that experience I
1:04:15
had with them, I never felt
1:04:17
a safer environment.
1:04:19
>> Right. I talk about that in the book,
1:04:21
too. When I arrived at Paramount and I
1:04:24
saw all the NOI brothers
1:04:26
>> Yeah. and it was one up on the roof and
1:04:29
you know, yeah, you never feel
1:04:31
The night I met him at Georgia's
1:04:32
>> Yeah. I've never felt safer. Do you live
1:04:35
there? And Mustafa is the nicest,
1:04:37
kindest, you know, he was so kind to me
1:04:39
and I was like, wow, man, and yeah, so
1:04:42
it was a
1:04:42
>> And he's This is the minister's son.
1:04:44
Now, forget you don't like the minister.
1:04:47
Remember, Mustafa all his life has
1:04:48
heard, "Arsenio Hall Show was canceled
1:04:50
cuz your dad. Your dad went on there and
1:04:52
they had to take it." And you know, you
1:04:54
That's his son. Yeah. That's his dad.
1:04:57
And that's not true.
1:04:59
So, truth is important.
1:05:00
>> Truth is important and you can find the
1:05:02
truth in this book. It's called Arsenio,
1:05:05
man. Arsenio Hall, the memoir. Man, my
1:05:08
brother, thank you again, man. We'll
1:05:09
keep going. I know we got another show
1:05:11
running right now, but I'm trying not to
1:05:13
leave. Okay. All right. Look at the go.
1:05:15
the rafters mad at us. DON'T BE MAD AT
1:05:16
US.
1:05:18
>> ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COOL, MAN.
1:05:20
Thank you, citizens, for tuning in.
1:05:22
We'll be back tomorrow. Uh we got we got
1:05:24
the one and only Beat Junkies. So, who
1:05:27
coming up tomorrow, Horse? Is Horse over
1:05:28
there? We got DJ Jay Raw Raw coming up
1:05:30
tomorrow.
1:05:31
>> With Bishop Lamont, right?
1:05:32
>> Lamont will be up here. He's going to be
1:05:34
freestyling, Arsenio, if y'all want to
1:05:35
come back.
1:05:36
>> I might have to. Let me know. Around the
1:05:38
same time, okay? Just got to get up. I
1:05:40
get up. I stay up. Okay. Yeah. Smoke a
1:05:43
little weed, you good. Okay. Cool. We'll
1:05:45
have a pack for you. Adderall.
1:05:48
Stop doing that.
1:05:50
It's time to stop. All right. Okay.
1:05:52
Y'all have a great day. Stay on the
1:05:53
right side of positivity, and we have
1:05:55
nothing
1:05:57
left to say.

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